Sleep & Energy
48 episodes · 2018–2021 · 12 debates · 28 pieces of advice · 49 stories · 43 quotes
The Daily Talk Show — Australia’s daily podcast, hosted by Tommy Jackett and Josh Janssen — discussed sleep & energy across 48 of its 1,022 daily episodes between 2018 and 2021. This page collects what was actually said: 43 verbatim quotes, 28 pieces of advice, 49 stories told on air, 12 on-air debates, each linked to the exact moment in the episode and on YouTube.
Where they stand
Moments where the table disagreed, straight from the transcripts.
Argues the saying can be applied to 9:30pm, since he 'peaked' at an engagement party by that time and left on a high.
Says the saying is usually used for much later hours like midnight, 1am, 2am, or 3am, referring to risky late-night behavior, not 9:30pm.
Thinks it's worth experimenting with because a YouTuber reported waking up refreshed after nasal breathing all night.
Dismisses it as 'the dumbest thing' and refuses to try it, worried about what could go wrong.
Initially considers instituting a formal roster or whiteboard schedule for chores and bathroom use to avoid conflict, though he comes to doubt whether a 'whoever cracks first does the dishes' strategy is a good idea.
Argues that trying to control a partner's routine causes anxiety; better to stick to your own tasks and let the household settle organically, though simple default rules can remove unnecessary decision-making.
Believes the early start significantly boosts productivity and mental state, despite feeling tired by late afternoon.
Questions whether the productivity gains are worth it if it leads to being 'fucked' by 2pm.
Believes most of these sleep hacks (sprays, night shift mode, etc.) are placebo effects.
Argues that if someone has real sleep problems, trying such remedies is reasonable even if Josh sleeps fine without them.
Mason Lauder (Mr. 97)
Strongly against it, calling it a bad idea and saying there's 'too much shit on there' after having a near breakdown from using it.
Considering picking Twitter back up, inspired by simple tweet formats and threads, though acknowledges he has too much else going on.
Found the free version worthwhile in the past, capturing funny sleep-talk clips, but is annoyed the full history is now paywalled.
Sceptical of paying for such an app, joking that paying to hear yourself fart at night isn't worth it, and reports technical issues with it interfering with his audiobooks.
addressing a partner's bad mood
Ep 18710:28Admits he tends to bite back or ask 'what's wrong' the moment his partner gets crabby, and feels he should instead let the emotion ride out.
Argues these moods are predictable (e.g., hunger-driven) and that having a third person around helps absorb and neutralize negative moods before they escalate.
whether being a 'morning person' is a real, fixed trait
Ep 15722:15Josh
Believes it mostly comes down to getting a consistent 8 hours of sleep rather than an inherent trait — if you sleep enough, you can function in the morning.
Tommy
Believes people who say they're 'not morning people' have usually just fallen into a habit of going to bed late and associating mornings with pain, rather than it being a fixed trait.
hustle culture vs working smarter
Ep 10218:56Is cynical that entrepreneurs preaching constant grinding (e.g., Gary Vee) may have already earned success before romanticising overwork, and notes hustle narratives are more 'flashy' than quieter work-smarter approaches.
Pushes back against hustle/grind culture, arguing for working smarter rather than harder, aligning time and effort with personal values, and challenging the idea that success requires doing work you hate.
Advice from the show
all 28pieces →What was actually said, attributed and linked to the moment.
How do you avoid needing the bathroom on long-haul flights?
Josh says he avoids drinking much of anything during long flights because he doesn't like having to climb over other passengers to use the bathroom, rather than following typical advice to stay hydrated.
How can you cope with anxiety or negative thinking without medication?
Tommy mentions the book 'Feeling Good' by David D. Burns outlines techniques to lift mood and develop a positive outlook without drugs, based on taking things with grace rather than getting angry, though he found the audiobook format hard to follow since it references diagrams.
How much sleep do you need to feel good the next day?
Tommy says he needs at least 7.5 hours of sleep or he feels like nothing good is going to happen, and he panics if he sees time ticking by without being in bed.
What can you try if you snore at night?
Try taping your mouth shut at night (using pharmacist-grade lip tape, not cheap eBay versions) to force nasal breathing, or use a chin/mouth strap or nasal insert stickers.
How can you cool down if you sleep hot?
Take a fully cold shower before bed to bring your core temperature down, or invest in a bed temperature-regulating device like the Chilli Pad.
When is the right time to get blood tests or see a doctor?
Go in with a proactive, health-optimization mindset to check and adjust levels that may be low or high, rather than only visiting when something already feels wrong.
How should parents manage kids' screen time, according to Seth Godin?
Control what you can control: if possible, avoid giving kids any screen time at all rather than trying to moderate it, since once introduced it becomes very hard to limit.
How can I listen to audio in bed without disturbing my partner?
Consider sleep-specific audio products like pillow speakers, Moonbow Bedphones, Acoustic Sheep Sleepphones, or eye masks with built-in earbuds rather than standard AirPods, which sit outside the ear and aren't ideal for sleeping.
How do I know if a compact mattress-in-a-box is good quality?
Don't assume a mattress that compresses into a small box is inferior; according to Josh, Sleep Republic's compact packaging actually comes with a higher-quality product, including dense pocket springs and solid edge support.
What should I look for when buying a bed/mattress size?
Tommy recommends always getting a king-size bed, even in a small apartment, on the principle that the bedroom should be about 80% filled by the bed for maximum comfort.
How should couples handle conflicting morning routines?
Focus on completing your own routine (get up, shower, do your chore) without trying to control or anticipate your partner's actions; things tend to naturally align once each person handles their own part.
How can you reduce decision fatigue around shared chores like who showers first?
Set simple default rules (e.g., whoever gets up first showers first) to remove the need to think through logistics each day, rather than negotiating from scratch every morning.
How should you change your wake-up time to be more productive?
Shift your wake-up time gradually (e.g., 15 minutes earlier each week) rather than going 'cold turkey,' since abruptly changing your sleep schedule without respecting your body's need for rest can make you sick.
Is waking up at 5am worth it for productivity?
Getting up early to run, meditate, and do chores before the day starts can dramatically shift your internal state and productivity, but it may lead to exhaustion by mid-afternoon, so the trade-off needs ongoing evaluation.
How can I pay more attention to shows I'm rewatching instead of multitasking on my phone?
Create a dedicated routine (watch one old episode and one new episode) and keep a written journal of learnings and basic plot points to force engagement rather than passive viewing.
Do night-time wellness hacks (sprays, night shift, audiobooks) actually help you sleep?
Josh argues most of these 'body hack' routines (throat sprays, phone night mode, etc.) are likely just placebo, though Tommy counters that for people with genuine sleep problems, trying such things makes sense.
How can you build a consistent morning routine when you have a young child?
Tommy says getting out of bed before 6am (via either meditation or a shower) lets him prep food for his son ahead of time, preventing the chaotic, anxiety-inducing mornings that come from being unorganised when the child wakes up.
How can you fix a bad morning routine?
Tommy argues that 'chasing your tail' (getting up later than planned) ruins the whole morning, and that the key is forcing yourself out of bed immediately when the alarm goes off rather than lingering.
What's the key to sticking with a creative project like writing or blogging?
Tommy suggests consistency is 'the hack for most things' and that writing every morning and actually publishing something is more valuable than spreading effort across multiple platforms like Twitter.
How should a show look after on-air talent's mental health?
Put as much effort and attention into the team and its environment as into the content itself, recognizing that the personality traits that make people great performers can also make them vulnerable off-air.
How should you respond when a team member makes a costly mistake like deleting footage?
Josh says the right approach is to stay calm, ask what can be done and how much was lost, be a good teammate, and reflect on what you personally could have communicated or checked better rather than placing blame.
What exercise might help increase low testosterone?
Tommy suggests explosive plyometric training such as box jumps as something he read about for raising testosterone levels.
How can you find out if you have unusual sleep behaviors like sleepwalking or breathing issues?
Josh suggests using a phone app that activates recording when it detects noise, so you can review footage of yourself sleeping, as a friend discovered he was sleepwalking this way.
How can I fall asleep more easily at night?
Josh describes a nightly routine of tucking himself into bed early (around 8-9pm) and having his partner bring him a magnesium tablet, which he credits with helping him get his best sleep; a live search confirms magnesium can help regulate sleep quality and achieve deep, restful sleep.
Stories told on air
Bumping into Chase Jarvis and Post Malone in New York
Ep 100025:09On the same day they interviewed Seth Godin in Central Park, Tommy and Josh randomly encountered photographer/entrepreneur Chase Jarvis on a street corner and interviewed him on the spot, then later that evening spotted Post Malone outside a Chinese restaurant with a heavy security detail, reportedly larger than Bill Clinton's.
told by Tommy Jackett and Josh Janssen
Tommy describes attending an engagement party on Saturday night (nearly skipping due to a sewage issue at home) and leaving at 9:30pm, coining the joke phrase 'nothing good happens after 9:30' when a friend found it a strange early time to leave.
told by Tommy
Tommy recalls moving out to live with his brother in Windsor for about six months at age 17 while working for his dad doing landscaping, watching Aerobic Oz Style together in the mornings before work.
told by Tommy Jackett
Josh mentions watching his friend's girlfriend, who has some naturopathic qualification, discuss on Instagram Stories how excessive yawning can indicate iron deficiency.
told by Josh Janssen
A replayed vlog recounts how for episode 880 the hosts pushed their usual 'uncomfortable' format in reverse, unboxing and setting up new Sleep Republic mattresses and recording a live episode lying in bed, joking about pants and comfort.
told by Tommy Jackett
Tommy recalls Seth Godin mentioning he hasn't napped since around 1984, discussing it as an example of disciplined self-control.
told by Tommy Jackett
Godin explains he hasn't napped since he started working from home in the mid-1980s, fearing that one nap would turn him into 'a napper' who gives up when things get hard.
told by Seth Godin
Josh describes waking up confused, thinking a David Attenborough-like voice was in the room, only to realize Amy was playing a calming sleep audio tape without headphones.
told by Josh Janssen
Josh describes his surprise at how small the mattress box was, his nervous anticipation based on videos of mattresses 'exploding' when unwrapped, and the anticlimactic but satisfying process of it expanding, followed by Bree making the bed immediately after.
told by Josh Janssen
Tommy describes waking early to work before his birthday, being interrupted by his son Bodhi, who greeted him with 'happy birthday, dada' before immediately asking for a lollipop, followed by a birthday breakfast of shakshuka made by his wife Amy.
told by Tommy Jackett
Josh recounts a morning conflict with his partner Bree over their one-bathroom apartment's shower/coffee schedule, which escalated when Bree emptied the dishwasher while Josh was in the shower — a chore Josh considers his own — leading to a discussion about who should take control of morning logistics.
told by Josh Janssen
Tommy describes buying a new bed and mattress for Bodie; when the mattress didn't fit in the car, the store owner personally offered to drop it off that evening for $50, which Tommy frames as admirable small-business hustle during tough economic times.
told by Tommy
3D Dyl recalls sleeping on a 2-inch mattress in The Daily Talk Show office for months during his internship, initially frightened by strange noises like bottles being thrown out from a Thai restaurant at 5:30am, but eventually getting used to it.
told by 3D Dyl (labelled 'Dillon Osborne' in transcript)
Tommy recounts a bizarre dream the night before the livestream in which he dreamt about doing the show itself, waking up feeling like he'd already completed it without remembering details; Mason separately recalls a dream involving a shared mansion house-share with the team using PayPal's remote-work living guidelines.
told by Tommy Jackett
Before properly dating, George would call Hannah in the middle of the night when drunk, repeatedly waking her and her mum who lived nearby in the house.
told by George Martin
Tommy recounts his landscaper father waking up, getting completely ready including muesli and yoga, only to realise it was 2:30 in the morning rather than his usual early start.
told by Tommy Jackett
Jo Stanley recounts an urban myth about a man whose smartwatch, linked to his family iPad, revealed a spike in his heart rate while out with 'the boys', tipping off his wife to his infidelity.
told by Jo Stanley
Cam explains gradually shifting his wake-up time back from 8am to 5am in 15-minute weekly increments to increase video output, and recounts getting sick for a week after trying to go 'cold turkey' on the new schedule following a late night out.
told by Cam Shand
In their words
“They should call me Caramello Koala.”
“Nothing good happens after 9:30.”
“Tastes like a carnival in your mouth.”
“80% bedroom is 80% bed.”
“It's either napping or masturbation. Very, very, uh, huge escapism tools.”
“I knew if I took one nap, I would become a napper, and then I would just go to sleep and never wake up.”
“I'm not fucking moving.”
“Happy birthday, Tommy Jacket.”
“I love doing the dishwasher.”
“Kids can sleep on the ground, man. Like at daycare.”
“Everyone, everyone's kind of just on pause for now until something gets sorted out.”
“We're under strict instructions that baby needs some sleep.”
“Curl killer would imply that it's a straightening product, a bit sluggish.”
“They said Steve Jobs knew how to fucking party.”
“It's like the wave of like your emotions inside, like just across a 5-day period. It's, it's so interesting.”
“I just want one more cuddle. I just want some water. I just want to go to the toilet.”
“I need a reason to pay attention.”
“I reckon all of that bullshit is a placebo.”