Acting In A Matt D'Avella Video

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Tommy: Hi guys!

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Tommy: Happy Monday. What's happening?

Josh: Just getting comfy, ready for a great week.

Tommy: Yeah. Is that the mantra you're bringing this week?

Josh: Mm-hmm. Gonna be a great week.

Tommy: Gonna be a great week.

Josh: No, I feel it. Do you feel the energy of it being a good week? We can't both have good weeks, I guess. Nah, nah, nah.

Tommy: You know, one of us gotta trade in.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, nah. Last week was a big week.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Tommy: So this week feels like, big in terms of needing to be active and out and about. So, Last Monday we had a shoot all day, and so I'm in that vibe of like, wow, I don't think I could do that today.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: Looking back on all that hard work, which we're not. So that brings a bit of like comfort in that an office day.

Josh: Yes. Is a good day. Is a good day. That's what they say. That's what you want from a production company. An office day is a good day.

Tommy: It is. No, no, no. I mean, I had Bodhi was up this morning on the way to school, but on the way to daycare. But he's just started. He's really— he's— I think he's— I think you're rubbing off on him.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: He's always thinking about the future.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: Daddy, what's happening tomorrow? Like, yeah, what's tomorrow? Like, doesn't care about today. It's all about what's going on tomorrow.

Josh: Isn't that interesting?

Tommy: Let's stay present. No, I think he's just worked out how that he can start understanding. And the next day, what's the next day looking like?

Josh: He's just trying to schedule his week. Isn't that a fair thing? Especially when you've got someone like, like you're controlling his schedule. Well, you got to, mate. He just wants some clarity.

Tommy: Imagine being in a child's body as an adult, like as where you are now. The lack of control. Like, I even remember feeling—

Josh: I'm already there.

Tommy: As a kid. Yeah. And having school is the routine and just, I think you either realise that you've got the routine and you just are going with the flow or you're a kid that ends up just like rebel, like pushing back on what needs to be done in all those ways because it's like not decided upon you. That's why when I left school, Year 11, literally felt like I had a backpack of rocks on and I just ditched the backpack.

Josh: Yep. I mean, I was always like the annoying kid that was, you know, we were an early family. Just leave it there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Just an annoying kid. No, I was. But no, very annoying when it came to going to school and getting my shoes on and doing all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Like getting up in the morning.

Josh: Yes. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't like— What time would you have to get up in the morning? Do you remember?

Tommy: Oh, I mean, I was lucky. I lived across the road, like literally 20 metres from my school.

Josh: What was the latest? Do you remember like the latest time you could get up?

Tommy: Oh, I mean, 8:20 probably.

Josh: 7:50, like 7:50. If I wasn't up by 7:50, we were going to be late. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, I was listening to Mike Cannon-Brookes. Who's that?

Josh: Oh, that's the founder of Atlassian.

Tommy: Yeah, one of the co-founders of Atlassian. What would Atlassian do? Who knows? That's the funny thing about them. They're a software company, but they're not like They're one of the biggest software companies in the world. I was listening to them on How I Built This with Guy Raz. It's fucking great. Two Aussie dudes that have founded this juggernaut of a business. But the kind of the joke is that not everyone knew what they do. Yeah, it's like this kind of unusual thing where clearly they own a bunch of software and they build software, Slack and— no, they don't own Slack. But they They're huge, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, one of them, Mike, went to boarding school as a kid.

Josh: They had HipChat, I think was it. I think it's HipChat. Like they had like a chat, like an IM sort of thing.

Tommy: Like all these applications I've never— Jiro. Never heard of, but they're doing so, so well.

Josh: Yeah. A lot of them is like related to like developing software.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So it's like, how do you keep track of all the changes you've got to make or like internal systems?

Tommy: Which is probably obscure. That's why it doesn't— It's not like hip, like a Facebook or a—

Josh: But all companies like need software. Yeah. So what'd you learn off him?

Tommy: Uh, no, but he went to boarding school as like a young, young kid in England. Like, so he's over there and he flew home 4 times a year. Um, he talks about how he got his first laptop by accumulating points flying home to, uh, like a rich kid.

Josh: Well, I don't know, if you, if you were accumulating frequent flyer points as a child. Yeah. You're doing okay. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, he didn't— Yeah, definitely wasn't sold in as like he was a poor kid. But I mean, going to boarding school costs a bunch of cash anyway. But the one way of looking at it is boarding school, like you've got an expense having a child at home anyway. Like if I was to— If we were to break down what on a spreadsheet what Bodie's expenses were and then you go, well, a fee for a boarding school, which is every day, food, a comm, all of that. It ends up— Well, you—

Josh: What you're describing here is the reason why people do all-inclusive Cancún trips. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's like, oh, look, you can—

Tommy: Take the guesswork out of it.

Josh: Yeah, drink as much as you want, piss in the pool and then go home a few times a year.

Tommy: But I mean, boarding school is a lot more foreign nowadays than it once was. My auntie went to boarding school.

Josh: And so, the idea is For the entirety of your schooling, you were somewhere else and you're living in that whole environment.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, that's a learning curve for a kid. Do you— What— How would have you— I think I was threatened, you're off to boarding school as a kid, you know, just too much for me.

Josh: My brothers were. I was never threatened with that. I don't know why. No, I just like— I probably would have at the time. It was adoption for you. I would have liked the naughty boys' home. Was the big one. Mum would find the shittest house in a neighbourhood, Doveton, which was near, like next door to us.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And she would drive around Doveton and she'd find the shittest house and she'd say, that is the naughty boys' home.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: If you keep being a little shit, you're going there.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I think it would really shape Like the kid, I guess it takes away like the family dynamic or definitely change. Like, I don't know, how do you think that kids that go to boarding school would have a warm relationship with their family?

Tommy: I hope so. Like, I know Rupert Ballinger, who we've had on this show, he lived in remote Queensland and the schooling that is required or the schooling that you may want for your child isn't in remote Queensland, it's in Brisbane. And so, he's in boarding.

Josh: That's very different to being in the— That's very different than living in the city where you've got many options that you could send your kid.

Tommy: Yeah. It's, I mean, it's an interesting one. It's a decision that definitely shapes a person in one way or another. I mean, it's like any situation shapes a parent. So, I think like Bodhi's saying on the way to school today, on the way to daycare, like, oh, can we go and do this? And I was just thinking, imagine if there was a, like there's something in the friction of not being able to do everything that you want in life. That gives you a perspective on your situation and then where you want to get to.

Josh: Well, it's grit, I think. Like, if everything's easier, it ends up backfiring, I think.

Tommy: But I think we end up wanting— So, you know, think about the times that the amount of people out there would be thinking about, if I won Tatts Lotto, what I could do. You know, it's just like drop out the equation of needing to do something that you don't necessarily want to do. There's a lot of people doing shit that they do not want to do. But the hard bit is finding perspective, looking at that thing and thinking that's actually serving progression.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Mind you, not everyone progresses, though. They get stuck in the thing that they don't want to do.

Josh: Or some people can't live as an adult where they grew up.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It feels like they're not making progress. But other people, live in the same place that they grew up and are super happy and content. I saw that Bodhi, um, rode his bike for the first time without training wheels.

Tommy: Yeah, so we've, we've, uh, we've gone from balance bike to a bike with no training wheels, which I think is the reason for balance bikes. So balance bikes, no pedals, you just use your feet on the ground, but then you can like— it's got a little platform for your feet to hold up on when you get enough momentum. And so, they get the— They've learnt balance.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: He just doesn't know what pedals really do or are. And so, now he's getting there. But we were given a bike from his— For our neighbours, one that my friend's kid learned on. And so, now Bodie's got it. It's fucking great. It was great.

Josh: And so, do you go to a car park? It looked like you were in an open space.

Tommy: Yeah, I saw this car park. People use it for dog training. People use it for— I mean, it's not good. Shitting on the concrete. If you're a dog, I mean, Bodhi shat on the concrete, but that's another story. No, I don't know, it's like a fenced-off car park that, um, I just thought that's great. Like, he can learn on that solid.

Josh: Feels like this sort of environment where my dad would take his drag cars to get some sick photos, you know, like his mates fucking got the 35mm camera and all the stuff. He's getting really nice shots, you know. Oh yeah, the day's perfect, that's fucking polished it up, taking the hot rod out, getting on the angles, potentially even let's get a rainy day where they've got like the water so you get the reflection. I can imagine now they're using, you know, LED lights, you know, some lights hidden in the—

Tommy: people pour water onto the ground to get like that shot. So you hold your phone down close. Yeah, you get the reflection of the car.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, that's, that's a lot of effort.

Josh: And so Bodhi, how many, how many rides did he get where he was Before he was bored.

Tommy: No, he was straight off the mark balanced. That's the thing about the balance bike. It's just the feet, learning how to pedal and understanding that you can't push back.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because it will break the bike, as in put the brakes on.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like we've done it around the backyard, but our grass is really thick and so there's like no real chance of him getting a nice coast happening. But he learnt it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's very exciting.

Josh: Yeah. Last week we were working with Matt Diavella on a new video that's coming out on his channel in a week and a half. You excited? I am. I mean, it was— it's a—

Tommy: It's a hit piece.

Josh: Well, so D.Vella, he does productivity or like self-development sort of stuff, like very much self-development. But then he puts sketches throughout his video. So, you have funny moments, especially with him and his wife, Nat. They'll do, you know, funny shit in the videos. And so, he was enjoying doing a bunch of sketch— I think we filmed more sketches than what we did actual content.

Tommy: Yeah. Is that because, um, we've got nothing to say?

Josh: No, but the other— but what I realised is how bad I am at acting.

Tommy: Uh, I would agree. I think there's a— I reckon there would be a way to get you going that gets you really great, but it's not when you say action and here's your line. Yeah, there's a version of you, you overthink the fucking line and next minute you're like, having some robot experience. But that's not saying you're bad. There is a way to do it where it's like If you just didn't know the camera was on.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: If you were just filmed in everyday life without knowing you were being filmed.

Josh: Yeah. It's the guy who's funny, but then he's like, oh, I'm going to write a bit and he's completely unfunny. So, I would, I wonder if there's some sort of class that I could take. I was thinking like acting that I could try. And so, there was just this one scene that D'Avella was trying to get where he's filming. And he wants me to realise the camera— I've said something, he wants me to realise the camera's there and then sort of look away. And he laughed. I thought, this— he fucking found that very funny. This went very well. And he was just like, you are so bad at this. And so I find it very hard to like, to not go pantomime.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I know.

Josh: Trying to look at the camera and make it feel natural.

Tommy: I mean, that's been your feedback let's not make something pantomime, but maybe it's your fear because you know that you'll become pantomime.

Josh: I just can't. Yeah, I just can't act.

Tommy: Put a camera on a kid and then they start being silly or like doing clearly shit, playing up for the camera. That may be the version.

Josh: Maybe that's like the writing, because when we're sitting around, we're in hysterics coming up with ideas and then it's like, okay, Josh, can you perform them? And it's— I fall apart.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. But what is it? I mean, most people. Put a camera in front of them, they fall apart. I mean, I start like, you cannot. It's very unusual. You're a very unusual being if all of a sudden there's a camera on you and you don't start changing, changing or understanding how you're appearing, which is the thought. Like, there's a thought which I know I've had times where I'm connecting with what I'm saying and I've dropped that a little bit. But think about fucking Tom Cruise, you know, a guy who's been acting for 30 years, just how seamless— I mean, every film that has Tom Cruise in it is a version of Tom Cruise. Like, it is— you wind up— these people work out how to do a version of themselves in this acting format, which— that's why it's hard.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: People train for years, go to school, you know, for a long time. But I mean, what do you want out of it? Improv, like what's it— if you were to, if you were to land a deal today?

Josh: It's just the basic thing. It's just like I had to pretend like I was on a FaceTime call and you and Diva kept saying, mate, you're not looking at the screen.

Tommy: It's because your phone's here, you're looking up there.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Because I think I, I feel like when I'm on a FaceTime call, I'm trying to be natural, and so natural I'm not looking at the FaceTime the whole time. But it's like, can we just do one where you're looking at the screenshot. And so anyway, I think it will be fun. It comes out in a week and a half.

Tommy: There's something about making something with a professional like Matt. Yeah. And us not understanding how it's going to come out, but just going through that experience because this is what we send people through.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: With our production company, a lot of the time people are scratching their head saying, I don't know, like, I What's this for? What's this bit for? Or where's this going to go?

Josh: Well, I literally said to him, I'm like, make sure you edit this funny, you know, I don't want to like pick my best bit. But I took him to the Great Ocean Road, the Twelve Apostles, which is the classic Josh Janson experience.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Nearly ran out of petrol.

Tommy: Yeah, that's a nightmare.

Josh: Got on the Great Ocean Road. Well, so, you know, get to Apollo Bay, it's like an hour and a bit out of from where the Twelve Apostles are. And I just assumed that for an hour and 15 minutes there's going to be a petrol station. And so I saw, I looked, it was like 90, uh, 93 kilometres to get to the Twelve Apostles and 96 kilometres of petrol. Like, this is perfect.

Tommy: You got 3 spare.

Josh: Yeah, like with— when we were like half an hour out and we hadn't seen a petrol station. I was like, oh, you know what, I'm going to put one in my phone, pulled over, put one in. And then as we got to the petrol station, it was like a little hill and you drive up it. All that was there was a bus stop.

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: No petrol station. And so Diwala is just like, he's like, like laughing, but like could turn into a cry. Like, and Nat had gone to the bathroom because the bus stop, there was like a toilet or whatever. And He's just like, oh, I can't believe it. Like, this is so avoidable. Like, I can't believe. So, he's walking out.

Tommy: I was like, ah.

Josh: I'm like, okay, well, maybe what we'll do is because I've run out of petrol before, you contact like a roadside assistance, which is RACV, which we pay for, and they'll just fill up the car.

Tommy: Which when you're in the city, there's a bunch of them cruising around ready to take a call.

Josh: And it's free. And so, I did—

Tommy: Well, you pay for the membership.

Josh: Yeah, you pay for the membership. Exactly. And so, I had said, oh, like, it's gonna be fine. What we'll do is once we get to the Twelve Apostles, I'll just call our ACV, get them to come, and, uh, they can fill up whilst we're enjoying that. And so we made it to the Twelve Apostles, and then I remembered, I was like, uh, like, I didn't— I realized, I'm like, you know what, just like if you're a pilot and you have passengers, if you're gonna go down, you're not having the conversation with the passengers, you know what I mean? So, I spoke to my co-pilot brain. I was like, hey, I was just thinking, I don't think RACV will come here for free because I think I remember that it has to be within like a 100-kilometre radius or whatever of your house.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: If it's outside of that, you're paying and all that. So, I think it's going to take a while. So, I'm like, I think if we've learnt anything about all that whole petrol thing, it'd been blinking for a long time. Like, it'd been the petrol light. Like, D'Val was like, I've never seen it blink. And when we're flashing and it's like we're 20, we're 20 K's out of the Twelve Apostles. So we get there and, you know, I had that conversation with Bree. I'm like, let's just risk it. It's 10 kilometres to the next town that has petrol, and so let's just do it. And so every moment we got, I chucked it into neutral. Yeah, yeah. I was just rolling, rolling, rolling. And I think that in the grand scheme of things Nearly running out of petrol made the whole road trip, like, how grateful do you become for petrol when you nearly run out? Yeah, very grateful.

Tommy: I mean, I've rolled into a petrol station with it like stalling before. It's a great feeling. And so, but if you get to, if you didn't, if you were, if this storey ended with you running out of petrol and waiting for 4 hours on the Great Ocean Road.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: It would have been a nightmare.

Josh: Well, it would have been a— I kept saying it's a funny story, isn't it? It's a funny story. And I had my torch. So, if it got dark, we had a torch. And so, it would have been a fun adventure. And the thing is, because the Great Ocean Road, it's sort of like the Pacific Highway or something. It's very sort of windy, beautiful. But once you go from Apollo Bay to the Twelve Apostles, it's going more sort of inland. It's like the Otway Ranges. It's actually where 3D Dill got lost and had to hitchhike. But, you know, yeah, it did make me like, just like the Grampians where I was like, you know what, never. Like, there's a lesson. I'm always going to bring enough water, stay hydrated. There was definitely a lesson of plan out your petrol. Where are you going to get the petrol from?

Tommy: It is a good point because it's not close. Gradation Road or the Twelve Apostles is hours and hours and hours.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So your car can only last maybe 4 hours max. Did you not leave with a full tank?

Josh: Had a quarter of a tank. So, it did—

Tommy: It went from Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah. So, it did pretty well.

Tommy: That's really good.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, it was like— But that's on you, dude.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I thought like I would just get it very— It's one of those things where it's you— Yeah, I don't know what happened.

Tommy: What happens if you have an electric car? Like, can you do day trips like this?

Josh: We're talking about this. We'll say like Diavella reckons that if we're in a Tesla, it would have just like started driving to a petrol station.

Tommy: Yeah, you would have taken over.

Josh: It's like the drones. It's like it can't actually go any further.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Return to home function.

Josh: Yes. But I did think that. I was like, you know, if this was a Tesla. Yeah. I would be thinking about things very differently. Like you've really like baking in your entire experience around where are you going to stop?

Tommy: Well, there is. So, there's a station halfway between Sydney and Melbourne. That is a Tesla Supercharge charge station. I think that's what you'd have to just fully charge, get to there and then get to Sydney fully charged. I mean, I don't quite know. I'm not in that world to have to think about it.

Josh: It's interesting. Like Jack Post has a Tesla and yeah, you have to like, you can, there's different types of chargers. Like there's the ones that you've got like, that's a lot slower or there's the Tesla Supercharge. Type units and there's only— So, he had an app where he would open it up and say, oh, there's one at this shopping centre. And so, you end up sort of like— But you pay. So, the way that it works is like you put it in, you plug it in and that like connects to your account and it will auto-debit like from your phone or whatever. But it is quite quick.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, it's like the quick chargers for your iPhones and things like that.

Josh: I was—

Tommy: last night I was watching, have you heard of this guy, That Was Epic on YouTube?

Josh: No.

Tommy: I mean, how many— What I love about YouTube is that you just find these people that are living some life that's not your own. Not even flashy is what I'm talking about. Just like they're very popular. Yeah. But somehow you never heard of them.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But you— I think the popularity ends up drawing you into them.

Josh: How would you describe, because I think this is interesting, how would you describe What this person does, like if you were introducing them to someone, what do they do?

Tommy: So, a YouTuber, but they are—

Josh: No, this specific person.

Tommy: Okay. They are a reformed prankster.

Josh: So, they had a prank YouTube channel and now—

Tommy: But they've now become, it's almost like prank, but positive pranks.

Josh: Yeah. I hate them.

Tommy: Positive pranks.

Josh: I hate them more than just the classic pranks. It's like the cutting of the EarPods.

Tommy: This is that guy.

Josh: I hate that.

Tommy: This is him.

Josh: No.

Tommy: This is him, Juan. Juan. He— That video that he has where he cuts people's headphones and then gives them AirPod Max. AirPods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That has like 40 or 50 million views. But then he's doing stuff like start of the year 2021, he was giving people $2,021 and just going around for a day. He probably did it like 6 times. And these people, like, you— which at that point I really liked it when someone really needed it and they were like just blown away, just could not believe it. But there's something like, he's literally just— it is, it is putting prank, a prank channel to good use. You are making money. There was one where he, um, Venmo, American sort of money transfer system. Yeah, what would it be like? NetBank for us. It's like, can I have your Your PayID, which I could send your mobile number money from my bank account if you've got it set up. Venmo is a similar thing, just a different— Is that it?

Josh: It's like PayPal, essentially, but it's like on your phone and it's very easy. One of the interesting things is I think that there's a social element, so you can actually see what people are transferring to each other as well.

Tommy: Yeah. So, he goes up and says, "Can I have your Venmo?" Just to random people and then transfers them $100. But there is something weird about like that you can see. He did mention that. Yeah. But I mean, people love it. It is a bit weird, though.

Josh: Yeah. No, the positive prank thing, I see the appeal, but then I imagine if, like, he's playing with scissors close to your face. Do you know what I mean?

Tommy: Like, he's like, he's like, he's like, haha, I'm like, this is harmless.

Josh: I'm going to cut. Like, if a stranger came up to me with scissors.

Tommy: You're jumpy. Jumpy Josh.

Josh: Yeah. But also, being in active defence, I would disarm him and lodge the—

Tommy: Torch up his arse. No, no.

Josh: Like, I would use the scissors on him. But that's the risk, isn't it? Like, I think it's pretty dangerous to go up and he even just like goes up to a chick who's with her friends and he just grabs her AirPod out.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I'm just like, okay, so what I don't like about it is what you're saying is that if you get in my personal space, you'll give me this. But it's not an agreed-upon thing. So, it's like, no, hang on. If you said, hey, I am going to get into your personal space and I'll give you AirPod Max, I'll still tell you to fuck off. Yeah. And so—

Tommy: If he came up to you and cut your AirPod— No, your—

Josh: EarPods.

Tommy: EarPods.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: You went from AirPod Maxes to—

Josh: No, I went for AirPod Pros. Yeah, yeah. The Maxes are the over-ear things.

Tommy: Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you went back to the cord ones. Because you didn't like the wireless ones.

Josh: Yes. And so, do you know what I mean? Like, it's very presumptuous to think that, oh, like, this gives me permission to do this thing.

Tommy: I wonder how many you don't see where there is someone pushing back like that. I could imagine that's the case.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I mean, it is, it is. I just got stuck in this hole watching it, trying to understand his whole channel. Where is he getting the money from?

Josh: What other sort of things is he doing?

Tommy: It's, yeah, so stimulus cheque Americans, a lot of them didn't receive it. It was like $1,200. He's going around asking people, have you got your stimulus check? And then giving them $1,200. Or knocking on a front door and saying, I'm moving into the area, how much do you pay for rent here? And they're like, $1,000 a month, $950. And then he pays a month's rent, which was kind of nice. These people were so blown away.

Josh: And so is it content that you're seeking out?

Tommy: Like, I don't know how the fuck I found Juan.

Josh: Do you feel like you want to watch more more of that? Like, are you like, oh, I want to click through and watch more?

Tommy: But you did. I did. And I did look at his channel and then you scroll far back enough and then you start seeing some negative pranks. I'm like, ah, he's a reform pranker. Like, it's the stuff up front where he's starting to make a bit of money. But if you had to go through pranking people, making people not feel good to then get money to then give back, not the best.

Josh: Well, this is the MrBeast model, isn't it?

Tommy: What? In what way? Like he—

Josh: Like he uses, so is getting so much money from channel, like from his channel, that he can do things like reinvest, which then it's sort of this cycle where it's like, okay, I can spend $1 million on this high-stakes video.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Because I know it's going to be seen by X amount of people. Yeah. You know, he bought an island. He would do things like, you know, the most expensive meals in different places or whatever. So it's like, And the funny thing with the expensive food, it gets to a point where it's like, you know what, like there's nothing, there's nothing more we can do with this chicken. So all they do is add gold leaf to it.

Tommy: Like, is that the thing?

Josh: Yeah, it's like, you know what, it's actually $20 worth of chicken and they've just gotten some gold leaf and just put it on. Like, it is like, what is, what does gold leaf taste like? Is gold leaf, is that tasty?

Tommy: Well, there's, um, the guy Salt Bae You know, the guy, I don't know his name, but he has a bunch of restaurants in, I think, Dubai. And he does these huge bits of steak, but he now does them in gold. Gold leaf. I don't know. I mean, it's— You've got to be pooing gold.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: At that point.

Josh: Yeah, it doesn't appeal to me. I've got a recommendation of a guy you should cheque out, Mr. Taster.

Tommy: Mr. Taster.

Josh: So, he lives in Iran and he does all Persian food and he's had—

Tommy: In holes and shit? Like, does he dig holes and build— Like fire, like fire pit.

Josh: No, no, no. He's going to like restaurants and stuff.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. And it's amazing. But he's done a couple of videos. If you type in Mr Taster on YouTube, you'll see that he's done some tours for some people who have come to Iran and he'll take them to all the different places. He's got real crazy hair. He's sort of like balding, but then at the back it's sort of like all big.

Tommy: He's keeping it.

Josh: Yeah. He's got one circular—

Tommy: Is this Kramer?

Josh: He's got one, like with these glasses. One of them circular, the other was square. It's like, yeah, he's a real quirky dude.

Tommy: That is kooky.

Josh: Yeah. But he, but yeah.

Tommy: Do you like those glasses?

Josh: I could imagine one day getting them.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I'll have a similar hairstyle, so why not? They're very good.

Tommy: Well, happy Monday.

Josh: I think it's going to be a very good week.

Tommy: It's going to be a great week.

Josh: It really does feel that way. It's all in the mindset, you know. Well, I was very negative last week. But I think that what I've learnt is doing stuff, even like doing some work on the weekend, like I'd been so adamant I'm not doing any work on the weekend. Actually doing work on the weekend made me feel good.

Tommy: Why?

Josh: I think it's just because it's like—

Tommy: Was it stuff that you hadn't done?

Josh: Nah, no, it was just stuff. No, it was just stuff that had been sitting with me. It's, ah, I need to get back to this or that or I need to do. And so, just sitting down and doing it, it actually makes me feel better. So, I think like I remember being a kid Like, it was common. Like, my dad would work 6 days a week. He would work every Saturday. I think that's pretty common. Like, you know, for parents to work 6 days, like, their job requires them to work like a half day where they're like, oh yeah, we start it at 9 and finish at 1 or whatever it is. I was like, geez, I've gotten a bit soft around Saturdays. And so there is something—

Tommy: You've always been pretty soft around Saturdays. In saying that, you're the dude who is so soft around Saturdays in your comms, but fuck, do I get emails from you on a Saturday with updates.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: Whole things that you've been working like, you say you're not working or you say we don't want to do that, but you put in a solid—

Josh: Well, I'm always thinking. And so, it's just not for like— And so, the thing is what I'd like to do is I think actually formalise it in some way where it's like, you know, we go away 6 days.

Tommy: George, you're working 6 days.

Josh: No, no, I think it's just the like, so I like whenever I'm working on the weekend, I'm like, I shouldn't be doing this, shouldn't be doing it. It feels good. And so the thing I think that, um, I like the idea of, because my favourite type of work is on my own at my computer going through bits and pieces. But when you're like, when you've got a team and you're, you know, doing productions, you don't get like— you're going from meeting to meeting, from call, like it doesn't have— you don't have the control of your time. Like, I know, I get why people get into the office at like 7:00 because they're like, you know what, I can just get 2 hours of my own time where I can do my thing before the rest of the day will just be completely taken over. And I think it's unrealistic for me to think that I can do that 7:00 thing at 9:00 AM.

Tommy: Definitely.

Josh: Does that make sense?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, mate. I'm totally with you. You feel like you can get ahead on a weekend.

Josh: Yeah. And so maybe like the thing is, maybe because we're still good at not doing crazy hours, like we're like, I think that if I was just to open it up a little bit, because I feel like I have gotten into, I went from being a freelancer where it was very like wouldn't work all day and would start work at 9 PM and then would work through the night or things like that. And so I've gone the other way now where it's like I'm a 9-to-5, like, try and have that structure. Yeah. But then you get to the end of the day, it's like, ah, fuck, I haven't done all these things. And then so it's like, oh, I'll do it the next day. And then you get in at 9 and then other things come up. And so yeah, there is something in even the, the, um, the, the 7 PM email sesh is nice. Just opening your laptop at 7 PM, just being like, it's gonna punch out this stuff so it's done. So, it starts. I even went through, you know, you saw my iMessages. I had 60-something messages.

Tommy: Oh, that notification. That was scary. Well, my advice to you was just open them and forget about them.

Josh: That's what I did.

Tommy: Oh, good.

Josh: So, I went through them all.

Tommy: If they've been there for a while, they have, they've already been forgotten about.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: But you have the anxious fucking someone tapping on your shoulder and you turn around, you don't know who it is.

Josh: Instagram DMs did the same thing, went through to the point where it's zeroed out. Yeah. And so, I'm at a, like, what feels very good right now is I'm you know, I've gotten back to the emails I need to get back to. Like, I'm in a good spot. And so if I can just— it's that whole thing is like, if you are doing inbox zero as you go, if you're archiving as you go, it's very easy. But I notice that even if I give it a few days, it gets crazy really quick.

Tommy: Yeah, well, that's, that's email. You gotta constantly be attending to it.

Josh: Yeah. Another great book recommendation, Dale Carnegie's How to Stop Worrying has been a favourite of mine for many years. But I'm just like, if you're feeling a little bit out of control, put it in, listen.

Tommy: What's the— What's one way to stop worrying other than deciding?

Josh: I couldn't even tell you. But the thing is that it's just like just in the moment going to bed that just the unconscious just sort of—

Tommy: Oh, dude. —thing, it helps. Meaning listening to it?

Josh: Yeah, just listening to it or whatever because it just re— Like, so, if you think about But then you don't know what's been said in it.

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: So, I'm not following it, like I'm listening and I'm hearing it all. I just can't. So, the thing, but it's just the— But it is more the unconscious mind, not in regards to you're not listening. But if you think about like the unconscious mind around like social media, so when you're on social media and you're scrolling, you're unconsciously thinking and connecting all these dots. And so, just by having the unconscious thing being, you know, you don't need to worry.

Tommy: Like every chapter is basically actively pursuing, you know, a state of not worrying versus mindlessly scrolling through Kwan's content. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Fuck Kwan. Yeah, yeah. Geez.

Josh: But yeah, so there is— I enjoy that sort of passive. I think that's what podcasts are for a lot of people. It's like the passive listening. And yeah, maybe it doesn't have the same effect as active listening, but just have it like, think about the space around you and how that affects things and impacts things.

Tommy: And music, think about the difference if you're listening to intense hard rock or something. Yeah. Versus something melodic.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, just chill. I've been listening to a lot of violins. Yeah. How's that doing? It's very good. There's a— What's it doing for you? There's a band. It's, well, just like it's good for writing because it's background instrumental stuff. You're not having to worry about singing, but it's all the songs you know and love.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. So they're covers. Oh, okay. Yeah. Done in with violins.

Josh: It's all violin rather than singing. It's very good.

Tommy: Flute. Yeah. That instrument you gave Donnie.

Josh: So it's called a kazoo. A kazoo. It literally sounds like kazoo. I'll tell you what it's called. I'm just going to go into my Apple Music before we head so you can all, you can all listen to it. Um, it is called— actually, I'll go on my— What are you listening to?

Tommy: God, I don't even know. As in a podcast or music? Music. What am I listening to? Ah, it depends.

Josh: Travis Scott. Vitamin String Quartet. That's what it's called, guys. Listen to this now. Vitamin V-I-T-A-M-I-N. Yeah. String Quartet. Q-U-A-R-T-E-T. And they do all the covers. So, they do a song that Bree and I, um, home to— maybe it's a, um, it's called Home. If you just search Home, they, uh, when we're in Italy and we were like entering a mediaeval town that we were staying, we had that going. And it's like you're going in, it feels like beautiful.

Tommy: So anyway, there is one thing about humming something if you can't— like, we can't sing. Yes, but you can't even remember. You, when you hum something, yes, it sounds perfect in your head.

Josh: Did not sound good.

Tommy: Well, I can't gauge what the fuck the song is. Yeah, sure, but it's amazing how when you do it, it's clear in your own mind.

Josh: Well, the problem is I think that it's got the same— feels like home to me, feels like home to me—

Tommy: but I don't think it's that song. Okay, home All right, let's pump it in the office.

Josh: Yeah, I can't play it now because we'll get taken down, should be right. But type in home, uh, and then that band that I just mentioned, Vitamin something, Quartet. Vitamin String Quartet. Yeah, is that what I said? It was because I spelt the others. Vitamin String Quartet. Check it out. Uh, enjoy the rest of your day, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Tommy: Have a good week. Love you.

Josh: Bye.

Tommy: We'll see you tomorrow though, and the next day.

Josh: Mhm. Awake. See ya. Bye.