Starting Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad. That's crazy.

Josh: We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 954.

Tommy: Happy Monday, 8th of Feb. Lovely day.

Josh: Are you a guy that picks his nose?

Tommy: Um, yeah.

Josh: How often do you think you pick your nose?

Tommy: Well, I think any, any real picker, um, couldn't tell you that.

Josh: Yeah, because it's constant.

Tommy: It just happens, bro.

Josh: Um, no, but hang on, if I thought about it's an issue, like I have actually had moments where I'm like, I've got a problem, I've got to stop.

Tommy: Yeah, but I think most people have that. It's usually like when something They've got like a little scratch or something develops, like, I don't know if you have a cold. I actually don't do it all the time until I realise that I am then doing it all the time.

Josh: Do you think it's healthy to not do it?

Tommy: Healthy to not do it? I've heard someone talk about you can die from doing it.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But that, I mean, that person's probably like, tap water will kill you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know, like there's a chance, there's a chance everything can can kill you. There's a chance your phone could just somehow explode in your pocket and end you. Yeah.

Josh: Do you think that you, are you like a dry, like, do you have dry snot?

Tommy: Why are we going here?

Josh: What's the problem with this?

Tommy: It's disgusting, dude. Why are we talking about this for a Monday?

Josh: No, but is it like, I find that it sort of can sometimes line my inner nose.

Tommy: Yeah, but I know how it works.

Josh: Does that happen to you too?

Tommy: But I don't know. I mean.

Josh: I just feel like working from home. I was picking my nose a lot, whereas now being back at the office, there's, you know, there's other people. It's like—

Tommy: And you've stopped?

Josh: Well, I know a friend that they've been having stomach issues since going back to their office because they can't fart as much as what they were when working from home.

Tommy: Oh, fair. And so, maybe nostrils around the globe are filling back up with snot that hasn't been picked based on Working, you know, restrictions. Oh my God. There was another case of coronavirus obtained. I think that's the right word. But someone who was in the hotel quarantine programme working at the hotel quarantine at Melbourne Airport has caught COVID.

Josh: Is this the one that went to—

Tommy: 4 locations?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: One of them being a cake shop on a Friday. That night also went to the bottle shop, Dan Murphy's. Saturday, didn't get enough alcohol, went back to Dan Murphy's, but also went to Off Your Tree. The 4 locations that you have to declare a fucking— A bong shop, a bottle shop and a cake shop. It's pretty funny that they're—

Josh: I did think that. I did think that. They got really specific with the time.

Tommy: They have to—

Josh: No, but like, as in normally it's like between quarter past or whatever. Off Your Tree, you said the person arrived at like 17 past. I wonder if they've literally looked at the security footage.

Tommy: Good point.

Josh: And done it based on that.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, who would else be tracking their time like that?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That's even going there. I mean, the thing about it is you'd look at your credit card or if you spent money there. I mean, it's probably everyone's spending cash at Off Your Tree.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Off Your Tree is or was when I was growing up, a bong shop. So, they'd sell every type of glass bong or smoking apparatus.

Josh: Would they also do sort of synthetic?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So, stuff that's technically not illegal.

Tommy: Well, I think they've made it illegal now. Maybe there is some. But, dude, synthetic marijuana was a thing and it was legal for a long time and it really ruined people's lives. Like more so than weed in people that I'd known. Yeah. The addiction was out of control. But bongs are illegal to sell in Australia now. I think maybe—

Josh: So, what's Off Your Tree selling?

Tommy: Flower vases. Oh, really? Well, that's what they— This is what people were selling bongs as after the law came in. A vase. Just put your flowers in there. Nice little daffodil. I mean, around a little, you know, in through the small little bong piece, the cone piece. God. But yeah, that was quite entertaining.

Josh: We're talking about COVID and lockdowns and all that sort of thing. Our mates in WA. I think they did 5 days. Nicole sent us an email. Hey guys, wanted to reach out and say thank you for keeping me sane last week during WA's lockdown.

Tommy: Well, 1 case and went into 5 days of lockdown. But yeah, so it was like almost just like they gave everyone the week off work or you had to work from home. Yeah.

Josh: Today when Josh was reading about the history of mimosas, I swear it was like listening to ASMR. He should read an audiobook or something just for fun. Thanks, Nick. Thank you for your email.

Tommy: My mum reads audiobooks, or she started to, uh, through that online platform, uh, what is it, the meditation? OnlyFans? No, mum doesn't have an OnlyFans. Um, she— it's, uh, yes, but you can— so there's like storey time, so you could read a kid's book. It's actually quite nice. I mean, It takes a fair bit of time and then you've got to get it, like to read for an— I mean, you, what's the longest stint you've read for without even reading out aloud? So, imagine doing it just in the comparison to reading an audiobook.

Josh: 2 hours.

Tommy: Which is still quite a long time to hold attention to.

Josh: Well, just think it like I remember Michelle and Zara from Shameless when they were doing their audiobook, they were like losing their voice. Like it is a full-on experience.

Tommy: Because you want it to all sound great. Like, you can't— I reckon I've been able to pick up on an audiobook of when someone's done a new session, like just maybe the morning they came back and did a morning. Like, some people's morning voice is a real thing. Yeah, just a bit husky.

Josh: Yeah, you gotta imagine a lot of, uh, buttermenthols.

Tommy: Yeah, you get it fired up. Um, dude, uh, I reckon I, I reckon I've had, um, post-traumatic stress.

Josh: I believe it, working with me.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean I've got through that, um, and I'm working on it. Medication's been good. No, no, uh, no, you're right, mate, you're right. Um, the incident that happened across the road from my house, which I haven't talked about yet—

Josh: I just know you're going to talk about it.

Tommy: I think I've got to talk about it.

Josh: Okay, it's affecting you.

Tommy: Well, I've got to talk about it. I think, um, scared the shit out of me. But even like last night—

Josh: are you going to change any of the details?

Tommy: I just don't say what the street that I live on.

Josh: Okay. And so TJ—

Tommy: I can change the suburb.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which would make sense.

Josh: Okay. And so TJ called me.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: On a Sunday before 9 AM.

Tommy: Which is— which surprised you what you answered? What did you think was going to happen?

Josh: Yeah, I was like, oh, this is TJ's calling for something.

Tommy: He's not just going to say, what's up?

Josh: Yeah. And so you called and yeah, you're freaked out and you had a story.

Tommy: Yeah. And so last night I woke up at 11:30, couldn't sleep for an hour and a half, which is why I thought, fuck, I've definitely got some kind of post-traumatic stress.

Josh: So, that happened with me. So, where that happened with me was when the fire was in our apartment block.

Tommy: Ah, yeah.

Josh: And so, you sort of— And because the smell stays, you sort of are on edge. And the guy who started the fire next door to us a few years ago, he— Do you remember he came back after a few months and accidentally called our doorbell rather than his one at like 3 in the morning.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then I got up that, like, the next morning and berated him, being like, we're on edge because your fucking apartment burnt down.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, yeah, it is very like, especially in the evenings. I've said this to you before, you wake up during the night, you will feel like the world is ending.

Tommy: Well, last night at 11:30, I just couldn't sleep. All I was thinking about was what happened. So, let's take you back the morning I called you. So, that was 9:00 AM. Let's go back 9:30. 10:00 PM previous day, Saturday night, was off to bed.

Josh: Early one.

Tommy: Well, it's quite standard when you've got a kid. And unless you want to push her to watch.

Josh: On a Saturday night?

Tommy: Even on a Saturday, dude. So I, so we got into bed, you know, it was a nice night, had the window cracked, it was wide open, which, you know, our bedroom's looking out to the street. We're kind of elevated a bit, which is nice. Makes you feel like you're a bit safer when you've just got a couple of metres between you and the floor, you and the ground.

Josh: What's underneath?

Tommy: It's just house. It's on a sloped block.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So, the front of the house, you know, is— It shows you how much of a wedge we're actually in.

Josh: So, could someone get into your window easily?

Tommy: Very tough.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Would need a ladder.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Like that kind of vibe. Great. So, windows open, gone to sleep, house is all locked up, which is standard. Bode's in his room, which is awesome. And nod off. Wake up and it's very, very early. It's almost the middle of the night. You know, that's just so still.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No wind. You can actually hear everything outside.

Josh: Do you reckon there's less wind in the middle of the night?

Tommy: I think that a lot of the time the wind drops off at night. But it's not to say that it can't be windy at night.

Josh: Is it a light thing?

Tommy: Morning time, less wind, good to get out for a nice surf. I love surfing in the morning.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And then the wind just picks up. Yeah. So from my studies of being out there in the water, if you get out for an early surf, the wind can— the— it can all change by 9 AM and it's windy. So it was zero wind, which means you could hear everything. And fuck, I heard something. And what I heard was, 'Doom, doom, doom.' So the front door, imagine like a fly screen just being pounded, doom, doom, doom. And then someone yelling at the top of their lungs, Frankston Police, open up.

Josh: I was going to go Cranbourne. Yeah, I could go Frankston, Cranbourne, Berwick, any. Doom, doom, doom. Collingwood.

Tommy: Collingwood Police, open up. Search warrant. Just like this. Clear, aggressive, controlling voice. Dum dum dum, Frankston Police, open up, search warrant. It wasn't our house, if that's what you're thinking. We have a flywire and it wasn't our place, but line of sight across the road to this bloke's house is someone smashing his door saying, Frankston Police, open up. I'm thinking, oh fuck, there's a raid happening. This guy's a bit dodgy. I know he's dodgy, he looks dodgy. I thought he was dodgy when I moved in. And so I'm like, right, there's a fucking raid happening. Oh my God, I sit up, I'm completely nude, and I'm just listening at my window, just wide open listening. Boom, boom, boom. Frank's at the place. Open up, search warrant. And then his dog's going off and you hear him yelling. And then he— then I hear this, restrain your dog, we will shoot it. I'm like, oh my God, fuck, this— they've got their guns out. I wasn't looking at this time, I was just listening because I was like a bit pissed. I'd had a few beers the day before and I was just a bit fucking foggy. And Amy's woken up too. Oh my God. And so you hear a smash of a window, like it's so distinct at night. No sound, no, no wind. And then I decided to get up and have a look. Next minute I'm seeing 3 guys at the door, just like one's got this, um, this wheelie bin clearing the glass to then crawl into the house. I'm thinking, oh no, the dog's gone off, they can't hear it now. And then they open the door and they all get in, and he's still saying, uh, Frankston Police, search Warroad. And then for the next 5, or what could have been 10 minutes, time sort of stopped. You just hear this sort of crunching of glass walking around this house, still yelling, search warrant! And Amy and I are freaked out, like, what the fuck's going on here? Like, what's this guy done to be getting raided? I said to Amy, what time is it? She said 3:30. It was 3:30 AM in the morning, and we just felt a bit funny about it. Especially Amy was like, what's going on? This seems unusual. Let's call the police as well. And so I was like, ah, nah, they're the police. And then I started feeling it was a bit weird at 3:30 AM. And then all of a sudden you hear one of them yell out, Officer Brian. It wasn't the name that he used. He used a different one, but it was very like, it was a word. It's like you wouldn't question the officer's name that he yelled. And then all of a sudden you hear, toot toot toot. And I see them all walking out. They get into the car. And drive off.

Josh: But why did the car toot, do you think?

Tommy: They were in a rush.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: In my mind, mate, these are cops. They've got to go off to another raid because this guy's done something. He's not there or whatever it be, the person they're looking for. Anyway, we were really freaked out about it. So we called the cops and at this point we're thinking they've gone. Maybe that wasn't the police. Maybe that wasn't Frankston Police doing a raid on his house. And so I got onto the operator and I told them the story. And at the point I said, I don't know if it was police. Police cars drive past, two cars. I didn't see the car that they drove off in. They were like, it was behind a bush that was out, so it was out of my line of sight. But I saw the, the people walking out and it was completely quiet. No dog after. We're like, this guy's done, he's, he's been shot or something's happened. I probably would have heard the shot, but I thought this, this guy's in trouble. So cops go past and I tell the person, I don't know if it was cops Plot twist, it was not the police. This was 3 guys that went in making it out like they were the cops and raided this guy's house. Fuck me. I, at that point, that was like 3:45, and then next minute it's a crime scene. Paramedics are there, police are there, real police detectives. Like, these guys, did you go out?

Josh: Do you have clothes on by this point?

Tommy: At this point, I whacked a hoodie on. Nice little cotton on number.

Josh: No pants.

Tommy: I had shorts on, but I was barefoot. And so I walked out thinking, fuck, like we were spot on. Like we cottoned on to it after the fact. I was convinced it was police for majority of it until it sort of just went a bit funny and they still— it just felt wrong. And so I walked up to one of the detectives and so funny how blasé they are. Like, it's okay. And it's the middle of the night. I'm just like, uh, I saw all that. I mean, I couldn't really, I couldn't see anything. So other than just relaying what I've told you, I couldn't tell them much more than that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I saw it all, heard it all. All the neighbours heard it all.

Josh: Were any other neighbours out?

Tommy: Yeah. Well, at the front door and surroundings.

Josh: Were you talking to them?

Tommy: No, I didn't. I didn't. I texted my mate who got spoken to, who lives across the road. I texted him later on. When I saw him leave for work early.

Josh: How many cop cars?

Tommy: 3.

Josh: Did they have their lights on?

Tommy: Nah, just like, just light, pushing out light so they could see. But no, other than when they came to the property, but no sirens or anything. And then it was a crime scene for like the next 12 hours.

Josh: So, there's tape? Where did they tape it?

Tommy: Taped it from a tree onto a house, around the whole house of this one, of the actual house. But then I saw the dirty He came out. He wasn't limping. He's like, he was there.

Josh: How's his dog?

Tommy: Who knows? It was alive. I could hear it. And so the creepiest thing is, I mean, it's all just fucking creepy at the point that you— that there's people out there doing this shit that aren't police but are saying they are. And so I just haven't been able to fucking shake the thought of it and what happened and then it not being random. I don't think it was random. There's a bunch of assumptions I've made. The interesting thing when you talk to the police They don't tell you anything. I just want them to be like, bro, here's what happened, here's what went down. Yeah, they're just like, tell me what happened, blah blah. And like, I still haven't confirmed that it wasn't police. I just know it wasn't police because the police came after, but they won't tell you anything. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. And so the reason I wanted— I was talking about now is because nothing's happened. Nothing's— no one's called me about anything. They had my number and they were speaking to me, you know. Nothing's happened.

Josh: It's crazy, isn't it?

Tommy: And I feel like that was so violent. I don't know what happened. You could say violence is when someone's, you know, severely injured, which I don't think he was.

Josh: It's like brazen.

Tommy: A violent, a violent break-in. Like it was fucking next level, dude. Like my heart was going so hard and I'm so lucky Bodhi didn't wake up. But we're like a kid-friendly street. You know, oldies in there too. Like, I had to stop one of the cops going to the next door neighbor. I was like, mate, you'll kill that— you will give that guy a heart attack. Yeah, he's that old.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's 3:45 AM, don't go into his house. And so then he came over to me, which I kind of wanted him to, you know, at that point. But I couldn't get back to sleep, so I was up from 3:45.

Josh: Like, so that was on the day. And so you're not sleeping, so you woke up? I haven't slept since. It's 2 weeks later, dude. Now, how much— it hasn't been 2 weeks, it's been a week. Yeah, it's only been a week.

Tommy: Over a week.

Josh: Yeah. And so what's the feeling when you wake up? Is it, are the doors locked? Where's Bodhi? Answer.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm literally doing all the security, just ramp that up. Got my security camera called Trevor. Thanks to Trev Long, I've nicknamed it Trevor. He's keeping guard. But other than that, like last night, just hearing the dude's dog bark and then And then I was just standing at the window looking for fucking—

Josh: Do you wish you had a torch? No, no, no, no, because you don't want to shine it.

Tommy: Amy literally opened the door to go out when it happened.

Josh: Oh no.

Tommy: I said no.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, don't.

Tommy: Because I was like, if it is police, they don't need our help. If it isn't police, you don't want to have fucking anything to do with those chunts.

Josh: Well, you— I mean, uh, I sent you a video over the weekend because I know you sometimes like gore stuff, or you have. You've said that to me before where it's like, oh yeah, have you seen the video of The car accident or whatever. It's just—

Tommy: Didn't see that one, the one that did happen. But I'm getting worse in my older age watching gore stuff. Yeah, I struggle.

Josh: Oh, like as in you struggle watching it?

Tommy: I struggle watching it. I struggle blocking it out.

Josh: Which I think is a good— Also, I think that's a good response. I went down the rabbit hole of watching defence videos and it's all like, I think it was, I reckon it's maybe coming off dash cams or watching— No, it's cops. You know how I watched Cops the other day? And so, now I'm just getting all this gun-related stuff. And there was the one where it's like neighbours fighting, arguing, and a neighbour just goes inside, gets a gun, shoots both of them in the head.

Tommy: Which I think a couple of questions you might have for me. Did I film it? No, I didn't. Which is fucking unusual for me. Like, I'm usually onto it, but I was so rattled by it happening, which seems weird because maybe I didn't feel like I needed to film it because it was the cops, which is so absurd.

Josh: So maybe the thing is, so you—

Tommy: I'm actually glad I didn't film it because I would be watching it nonstop and just it would be painted. It's already fucking like, what do you call it? Like etched into my brain.

Josh: But don't you think that sometimes, so like you have a different, like my default in those circumstances, I know that I'm going to be useless except filming. It's so ingrained in me that like I I get the camera straight away. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. No, I am too. You know, I film a lot.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But for some reason I just decided not to.

Josh: And I was like, it's the middle of the night. If you haven't, so rattled. When I was living in Collingwood, there were probably half a dozen serious incidents that happened and we were on level 5, so we were sort of away from it. But I'm known as a guy calling triple zero that like we had the guy on Victoria Street getting stabbed. You know, all that sort of stuff. And so, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: You didn't film that one though, because that was pretty serious.

Josh: Yeah, that's a good point.

Tommy: But the thing when they're serious, dude, it makes you think twice.

Josh: You're like, well, I think that it's like when you're in the— So there's a big difference, I think, between the safety of being up in your apartment and being able to like be on a balcony and film versus you're in the scene, you're in the street. Like, so that guy, it's like— But it's also hard because some of these things, when someone's being injured or whatever, it's a medical issue as well. Like, you know, they're fucking— oh, like, are we gonna have to do something? Like, there seems something seems more distasteful of filming someone when someone's been injured versus, say, I filmed the Macpac ram raid where cars were slamming into a shop.

Tommy: It seems just like dummies trying to break into a hard thing to get into. But this was like a guy was in there serious, like 3 people storm in the joint.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yelling. And then when, as soon as you work out that it wasn't cops, it's like it adds another layer that it's eerie. Like, what were they doing inside? What were they looking for? Why did they do it? Why that house? So many questions, which I'm sure the detectives fucking get trying to get to the bottom of it.

Josh: Does it make you want it? Because you've spoken about wanting to be a cop. Seeing that thing, does it make you want to be a cop or be like, I can't be fucked with this drama.

Tommy: Nah, I mean, you— I do think I could be a great cop. I'd probably be the best cop.

Josh: Yeah, you would be. So Bree, um, on High Street on Friday, um, in Windsor, just outside Perran Groser, had a, uh, uh, there were 3 chicks, uh, and 2 of them were beating the shit out of another chick on the ground, blood everywhere. Guy from an architect firm next to the grocer came out, started helping the girl, had to fucking actually throw punches.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: At these shi— Yeah, these chicks were fucking feral. Seemed like drug related or whatever. Yeah. But the thing is that you do realise that when things happen, the cops take a while to get there. Like, don't— Like, I feel like—

Tommy: Here's the question, though. So, just The cops were at the scene within 4 or 5 minutes after these people had left.

Josh: How long do you think the whole incident went for?

Tommy: Around about 15 minutes.

Josh: And so, the thing is—

Tommy: Maybe 10 minutes the time that they're there.

Josh: If you heard glass smash, surely someone at that point, even if they didn't hear the whole Frankston Police or whatever, they would— if you hear glass smash, you'll call. And so maybe there's a difference too around, hey, there's glass that's being smashed.

Tommy: Yeah, that's where I'm— who called? Who called it in?

Josh: But then you do have to like, I think where I've landed on all this defence stuff I'm watching, there is an appeal when, you know, you're talking about getting— doing some form of jiu-jitsu or something like that.

Tommy: Martial art.

Josh: Martial art. I wonder, for one, what's involved. So what I don't like—

Tommy: sweaty and rolling around and dripping sweat into each other's faces.

Josh: So the thing is, the only— you've got to keep in mind that the last real fitness experience that you and I have had together is us walking around Fitness First Richmond. And it's just— it's great, but it's, it's a bit of a scene. It's a bit of a, um, you know You got to be there, you know, like it's a, it's the closest thing to a nightclub without going to a nightclub.

Tommy: Yeah, I know.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so, martial arts, are they a scene?

Josh: No. Yeah. So, what, like, what's the, I wonder what the, because the only martial arts.

Tommy: They're cultures. They're cultures. And so, you would.

Josh: And so, what do you think the culture, because you did martial arts, didn't you?

Tommy: Yeah. So, I did, I did Muay Thai for many years. There's a culture in the around Muay Thai that's, that. Can be a bit aggressive, tough people. Whereas I haven't done jiu-jitsu, but I've got mates that have done it.

Josh: And can you talk me through a class of Muay Thai?

Tommy: Uh, starts out just some stretching, skipping, shadow boxing. Depending if we're doing pad work, we might start doing some, you know, partner up, do some front kicks, some, um, roundhouse kicks. Might start low, go sort of midway rotate, do some pad work, you know, that's about it. Yeah, bag work, depends on where you're at. Then you can do some sparring sessions. But my point is, I think, um, there— I think there's probably a bit of a difference between culture of jiu-jitsu and the culture of kickboxing. Jiu-jitsu is very controlled, controlled, but also meditative. You meant to like— you tap, so you stop as soon as someone's feeling pain or they can't get out of the position, you can tap. So, you— But then, I don't know. I was looking at trying to find a place to do jiu-jitsu. And there was one, it was like the top 10 places.

Josh: Is this what Rogan does? Is this the appeal? Well, not the appeal. But I get when you listen so much to someone.

Tommy: No, but it's now, it's so much more popular than when I was young.

Josh: Joe Rogan made it more popular, though.

Tommy: Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Is extremely fucking popular.

Josh: I think it's hard to find places in Melbourne.

Tommy: No, there's heaps, heaps. But I think Joe Rogan has definitely brought a lot of attention to it. He's some— one of his best friends is a guy who's started 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is like a school or a way of training, like, that has become very popular based on that. But like Sam Harris, um, there's like—

Josh: Sam Harris does it? Yeah.

Tommy: He does it. He does jiu-jitsu. Lex Friedland. He's like a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

Josh: He looks like it, too.

Tommy: So, the thing about—

Josh: He looks like an FBI agent. Why does he always wear a suit?

Tommy: Smart scientist. The thing is that to be good at it or to have your black belt, you need to consistently do it for 10 years. And so, I think that's where it's like, think about how popular nowadays is just sticking at something. Start small, just every day chip away. It's the same with a martial art, something like, um, jiu-jitsu. You will get much better slowly, and it takes you like— Do you know how quickly—

Josh: Do you know what the different, like, what the belts—

Tommy: You can get your black belt quicker than 10 years. You could get it, I think someone, my mate told me, 3 or 4 years if you were just like a freak.

Josh: And so what are they looking at? When they're doing it, like—

Tommy: Oh, some of the best videos that will make you cry is people receiving their black belts.

Josh: No joke.

Tommy: Dude, I reckon you'd cry too.

Josh: I reckon you—

Tommy: Joe Rogan, he's crying. You can watch him getting his black belt from Andy Bravo. He's crying. You can watch Israel Adesanya, who's a New Zealand fighter who's very big at the moment, him getting like a purple belt. And there's all these setups.

Josh: Is that good or bad?

Tommy: It's not your black belt, but it's getting there. And it's so funny because that one, he's like, they set up to do a position where he's like, imagine me sitting on the ground on my bum, my knees sort of up, my feet on the ground, and then you sort of nestle into me and do the same. And then I'm over the top. And this guy like tricks him and gets you in front, he gets him in front. He's like, okay, so what we're going to do here? And then he just whips out the belt in front of him and he looks down, he starts crying.

Josh: So, you don't know when you're going to get it.

Tommy: It's decided upon by the coach, the, um, so what's the, uh, what they call them at the—

Josh: not like, what do I need to be good at? Or anyone, anyone that wants to try it, like, are they looking at technique, how you're kicking, the belt system?

Tommy: Yeah, there's no kicking in jiu-jitsu.

Josh: Why is that funny?

Tommy: Because I thought— because it just seems funny that you think that jiu-jitsu is kicking.

Josh: What's jiu-jitsu?

Tommy: It's all on the ground. It's the closest thing. It's wrestling. It's submissions, arm bars, leg locks.

Josh: There's a great video. There's a great video of a— because this defence thing, what they do is any time something big happens like a robbery or whatever, this guy who's like wearing a red polo shirt, you can actually buy them online. They do merch. Okay. Deconstructs the whole thing and says, you know, they didn't create a defensive fence. They didn't do this. They didn't do that. I fucking watched like 3 hours of it over the weekend. And one of the great ones, I actually sent it to you. Did you watch the one with the high school kid? No. So, there's one where it's like these— Somewhere in South America, I think, at a petrol station, guy tries to abduct 3 kids. The mother and the kids run into a shop. The guy starts like, they're like trying to close the shop. The guy gets in. And it's like punching people and all that sort of thing. And this big guy actually reminded me of Conspiracy Jimmy, but a high school kid who just won the wrestling, like the amateur wrestling or whatever in his, you know, the high school wrestling in his town. Came in, grabs the guy and just like lies on him, just on it and just holds him until the police arrive.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It was amazing because it actually is very hard having watched all these defensive videos. Hard to keep someone down who doesn't want to be kept down.

Tommy: Unless you were really good at jiu-jitsu.

Josh: Yeah, but this is the thing, like—

Tommy: Most people don't know how to. I would struggle.

Josh: Like correctional or like corrections officers or whatever. Like there's a guy who—

Tommy: I think there's a difference between— So, if there was two people and someone who knew jiu-jitsu and like you're in trouble, you're trying to think about this other guy's going to keep you in the fucking head. Because it's if you get someone into a chokehold and it's actually sunk in, they're fucked.

Josh: Yeah. And so, it would be nice that like I do.

Tommy: Just the anxiety level, just thinking about having to submerge in a culture to learn something. Yeah, you're totally right. Jiu-jitsu is a— You're rolling around with men straddled on each other, like just at that moment, it just— Who's doing that? Who's— Who is like in your personal space? And so that's where people either hate it or fucking really enjoy it.

Josh: Yeah, I think I haven't done it yet, so I can't tell you.

Tommy: I really—

Josh: you want to do it?

Tommy: I need to get in. I want to find the right—

Josh: yeah, what's that like?

Tommy: What's the first session?

Josh: So this is the thing, like, this is doing it as schtick all of a sudden. Like, this is where the— if you had a, um, you want to go do some— yeah, if you're big enough in the documentary space where it's like, oh, I'm going to become a jiu-jitsu expert over the next 10 years. I'm going to do a documentary, My Road to Black Belt. Yeah, yeah, that'd be, that would be good, wouldn't it?

Tommy: That would be great. I'd love to, if I would love to see you as a black belt, just, just very calm, just, yeah, I'll choke that guy out.

Josh: It is good having that as an option, but the thing is that what I've learned from a lot of the defensive stuff is it's, uh, reducing escalation.. So, it's rather than— So, if you watch the people who are really strong, I remember this in basketball. There was a guy who, like when I would court announce, there was a guy who had like a black belt and—

Tommy: In what?

Josh: Can't remember.

Tommy: Probably karate. There was a lot— I remember people had their black belts years ago. It wasn't jiu-jitsu. It was always karate for us when we were young.

Josh: And so, what's the difference? Do you know?

Tommy: A completely different martial art.

Josh: So, what does that look— What is that? So, martial art, do you know? What is a martial art?

Tommy: I don't know the definition of a martial art, but it's karate is, I think, Japanese. Is it?

Josh: I have no idea. And so, anyway, but I remember it was interesting because it's almost like, did you have mates that were bouncers?

Tommy: Craig Harper was a bouncer.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: I did know a bunch of other people.

Josh: And so, if you had a mate that was like, had a martial art or whatever and was a had their security thing. Like, I remember a guy that would do all that when, you know, Paris Hilton came out or whatever. He was like their, um, her, uh, bodyguard. Yeah. You can lose your, like, security licence if you beat the shit out of someone just on the street. And so there's that whole thing around, like, I remember in the basketball, they're like, oh, watch out, blah blah's gonna— But yeah, well, I think, yeah, I think it'd be nice.

Tommy: I would say that I, I I haven't done— I haven't— just from meeting people who have been great at jiu-jitsu, different vibe to those who have been great at Muay Thai or kickboxing. Karate is different. Yeah, I reckon karate is in the same field as jiu-jitsu in that it's like you don't really know if someone's got— but usually if someone's wearing Tapout pants, they could kick— they could fucking head kick you.

Josh: Yeah, maybe it's a But it is a real scene.

Tommy: I was at, um, this sports aquatic centre in Albert Park and there was a jiu-jitsu tournament on, but you just got a sense of the culture.

Josh: What was the vibe? Lean?

Tommy: Yeah, lean, like, but quite sort of quite kind of happy.

Josh: Good core strength, good posture.

Tommy: It's, you know what, if you're lonely and you don't have a great deal of friends, it's you know, chance that that could be you. Martial arts, it could be— I'm just speaking. Yeah, dude, embed yourself in something like a martial art. It is amazing. Like, I used to spend 4, 5 days a week training kickboxing, and I— the people, and you just— the, the team, it's fucking sick. And so lifesaver for some people.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay, there was like the head coach that I was always like, oh wow, this guy Nick Cara.

Josh: Who is he?

Tommy: Oh, he's an animal. Look him up. Um, Special K, Nick Kara. It was an epic kickboxer, Muay Thai kickboxer.

Josh: And so you laughed at me before about saying the kicking in jiu-jitsu. So jiu-jitsu's all on the ground, you're saying?

Tommy: No, you stand up, but there's no— you're not throwing punches. And so you stand— it can be standing wrestling. You could wrestle up top, like you're just trying to—

Josh: How many people get their arms dislocated? I'm always worried about my shoulder getting dislocated. You reckon that would happen?

Tommy: There's a high chance.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But you can, you tap and I don't know, we should all do it.

Josh: Tap when I've got a fucking dislocated knee. Yeah, I think there's definitely. Yeah, we need to work out a way of doing it.

Tommy: For content.

Josh: No, no, just as a way that where it's like I remember doing.

Tommy: Do you want to do a video of it? I'm sure we could. The place I want to start going to is MMA. It's something, um, it's in Collingwood, but they do it, they do, they do a certain type of, um, jiu-jitsu. And I'm sure we could get one of the trainers and a time when we're not, and he can just run us through some basics.

Josh: I mean, um, I remember Helen O'Grady Drama School doing that as a kid.

Tommy: What, so it was like after—

Josh: no, so after school, like, you know, you could play sport or whatever, which I did. I played, you know, basketball, T-ball. Tennis. Trained tennis, never actually played. Play courts, very annoying for your shoes. But yeah, drama school. I remember just feeling a little bit like I was expecting that I was going to be acting and we'd be playing all these games. I'm like, this is all a bit childish for me.

Tommy: You know what it is, though? The feeling of self-concern going to these things is ego.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like, I, but I feel the exact same. I'm like, fuck, I'm going to have to meet all these people. I'm going to have to like, you know, show the status of like, I'm a newbie. Like, you want to get to, you see how comfortable it would be if you were a black belt and you're amongst it and you're like, you're in.

Josh: It's like CrossFit. You're in. But a friend of mine was saying she's going to start like in a swim squad. That sounds like the same, like a swim squad. Like, you think about swim squads in high school, or like just being an adult and starting in a swim squad. What does that take? That's like martial arts in your under— in like your bathers.

Tommy: Well, it's probably less invasive, like it's less personal space being invaded. Like, I— there is something— I think there's probably something good in the experience of starting something like a martial art and Having that feeling of you have to listen to somebody. There's someone better than you. You know your place because you are at the very beginning.

Josh: Can you see why this is hard for me?

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. I see why it's hard.

Josh: Like, it's just the— But that's where growth is. Like, exactly. If you can get through that, if you can get through that, you know what? Like, this isn't funny because I think that the— I would be looking at all the funny bits of it, right? Which is like, oh, this is—

Tommy: It's a protective mechanism, though, because you— You're worried about looking silly and then you're like, I look silly in this fucking gi.

Josh: What's not even silly.

Tommy: Like outfit. Like you could know. But what I'm saying, your dialogue on yourself, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't, I'm not. You see somebody that looks cool in their fucking gi, they got their, you know, black belt tied up and they're just looking like they'll fuck you up. Yeah, that's not you or me.

Josh: But what about like, so we did a workshop with Michael Bungay Stanier.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And that had the same sort of like, you know, going up. Remember I got up on stage or whatever at the front and got coached? Yeah.

Tommy: And then like, you know, I didn't film that like the incident across the road because it was so fucking traumatic.

Josh: But then during the— then everyone deconstructs what they learned from the coaching thing.

Tommy: That's right.

Josh: And then someone just like, I think that Josh is the real problem here. I think, fuck you. Fuck you, fuck you, whoever you are.

Tommy: We stayed around after and fucked them up.

Josh: But that's that experience, right? Which is like, it's, it's almost like I remember, so when I was a kid, I did, um, VCA Film and TV School sort of thing in the evenings on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And I was the youngest guy there, all these, um, adults learning about filmmaking. And just the, the culture, the— I remember like doing a screenwriting, like a, what is it called? Like after hours, like at like a TAFE sort of thing, like learning about screenwriting and all older people. Because it's like, what did they call that? After hours? What's it called? Like out of hours? Fucking know. Anyway, evening, like an evening course. And there is sort of that thing of like, oh, you know what? Like, yeah, let's go to the pub. Everyone, you know, after the screenwriting course, you would go to the pub. And hang out. And I was saying to Bray, I was like, remember, remember, I actually like, I did that.

Tommy: You went to the pub.

Josh: I would go to just sit just with like a little Coke Zero and just be chatting or whatever. And I just, I just don't have it in me.

Tommy: Yeah. Why?

Josh: Just because I'd rather be home. But I love travel. So, this is what's confusing.

Tommy: I like travelling and then I do That's your everyday life versus, you know, you're at home life here in Australia versus travelling.

Josh: You— Are you the guy to do that? Could you imagine doing a course? So, for instance, could you imagine learning— You're going to learn Spanish and you can do an evening course, night school, maybe that's what it's called. You do— You're doing night school, learning Spanish, and then afterwards you all go out to the bar and have a drink.

Tommy: Maybe.

Josh: Could you imagine?

Tommy: Yeah, I could. I probably wouldn't have them with Spanish. It'd be more at jiu-jitsu.

Josh: You're gonna have a drink after you just— or just— yeah, I don't know, maybe that's the whole thing. Like, you pick the culture where it's like, oh yeah, it is healthy.

Tommy: Like, the exercise one is great. Like, there is something in it. I just—

Josh: it's gonna be proven.

Tommy: What we're talking about is just being totally uncomfortable and pushing through, because you will get to— I remember being in a position where I would go to kickboxing Feel great, know everyone.

Josh: I hated the footy club though.

Tommy: It's not the same. Footy clubs have a certain type of, certain vibe.

Josh: Do you remember match reports?

Tommy: No.

Josh: So match reports, watching the game back. No, no, no. So they would like, um, it would happen on a Sunday night and the parents would, you know, all drink or whatever. And, um, now they would go through, uh, every like a year level or whatever, or whatever sort of age group. They say, okay, you know, the, the under-12s played Naree Warren The scores were 6-7, 42 to 8-9, 38. The boys did a great job on the ground. You know, special mention to Josh Jansen for, you know, his sideline efforts, kicking his first goal.

Tommy: Some of the best running of water we've fucking seen.

Josh: And but it was, you know, it was a real thing. You'd get like a Maccas certificate, like you would get like to go to Maccas and But what, that's your childhood. What's, you know, but there's a bunch of adults there that are all doing it. And so the thing is there is, but then there was also like my parents would go to trivia nights or they'd go to like, so someone would know fucking, what's his name? Russell Gilbert. And so Russell Gilbert would be fucking doing comedy and he'd bring his mates or whatever and they'd all, you know, cash job in Endeavour Hills.

Tommy: Better than your parents going to a swingers night.

Josh: Yeah, that's true. But isn't it the same thing? Like, It's, um, yeah, it's interesting. But like, does that— like, could you imagine going to a trivia night?

Tommy: Oh, I've got no interest in that. I'd rather something where I'm physically doing.

Josh: What would be an example of that? A swingers night.

Tommy: Yeah, that's right, a swingers night, you know.

Josh: Yeah, so you've been wanting to do the jiu-jitsu thing for a while. So I mean, I've only just said it for the first time today that it's like, oh, that sounds interesting. But it feels like your thing. It's like you saying, oh, I'm thinking of like joining the computer club down the road because I like it. It seems like you should be doing it. So, when you work it out.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with a friend who, you know, has done jiu-jitsu for many years.

Josh: And so, you just do it. It's a thing for life, is it?

Tommy: Well, a lot of these people do it for life.

Josh: Wonder if it fixes your sore scaps.

Tommy: Like anything, there's conditioning classes. That's a class isn't just, hey, we're just going to wrestle the whole fucking time. It's like you have to do exercise. It's a very, you know.

Josh: The last time I did something like this was joining a CrossFit gym. And.

Tommy: How'd that go?

Josh: Well, yeah, it. It was interesting. Yeah, like I did, you have moments of like, oh yeah, like I'm a part, like you, everyone's got their mates and you get the vibe and you understand what's going on. You get them and everyone's like, oh hi, how you going?

Tommy: Like, it's a close— Sorry, the club thing, getting into me going to a jiu-jitsu place is, I feel, the same as school, going to a new school. You have to make friends and you will make, you don't have to, but you will gravitate towards certain people and you're all kind of sussing each other out. I don't know. But I don't— There's no way around it other than just leaning in.

Josh: Basketball, like joining a basketball team, but it's not giving you any of that same stuff. But I remember as a kid—

Tommy: A random person's basketball team.

Josh: No, like I think a basketball team would be very easy to create.

Tommy: Yeah, but then it's your mates and then you can come straight away. But it doesn't— Yeah. It doesn't give you that. Anyway, we'll see. If you've got any suggestions of somewhere in sort of around the Collingwood area, I feel like I need to make it convenient. Yes, there is one out in my area. There's one in Timbrelstowe. There's a Gracie jiu-jitsu place.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you've got any suggestions on what classes we should join. Maybe should TJ give Spanish a crack?

Tommy: Let us know.

Josh: We'll see you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: Ciao. That's Italian.

Josh: Ah, sì.

Tommy: Sì.

Josh: Sì. What is it?

Tommy: I don't know, mate.

Josh: Ciao. Ciao. Um, por favor, un chocolate caliente. I don't know. Sorry guys, bye bye.