Picnics & Hot Chips

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 886.

Gemma: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: Gemma Watts sitting in for Tommy Jackett, and we're joined with an all-star cast, Jess Lucas and Tully Smyth from Too Much Tully. How are we?

Tully: I'm so— this is a real like— happy birthday! Happy birthday.

Josh: Thank you so much.

Tully: It is It is my 33rd birthday today, guys. Very exciting times. I've made it to 33. Who would have thought it? Not me.

Gemma: You look great.

Jess: Congratulations.

Tully: Thank you so much.

Jess: Thanks, Gem.

Tully: Thanks. I was just saying that Gem looks beautifully bronzed, which I'm very jealous about because I look like I, I don't know, Casper the Ghost. And then we've got Jess who is absolutely translucent.

Josh: Just, just, uh, doesn't, doesn't rock it. Yeah, you know, pasty.

Gemma: Yeah, you're not translucent. I think if you look translucent, you have a serious medical issue that would need addressing?

Jess: I feel like my light might be washing me out a little bit.

Tully: Yeah, sure, it's the light.

Josh: No, I think you look great, Jess.

Tully: Josh, how do you feel about being in a show with 3 girls? This has never happened before, has it? Is this a first for The Daily Talk Show?

Josh: Yeah, this is the first time.

Gemma: But Josh spent high school hanging out with the girls and doing the clapping games to win them over.

Josh: Boys are cheats and liars. They'll tell you anything to get to second baseball base so they can score.

Jess: Baseball!

Josh: Base runner scores! If you let him go all the way. Anyway, sorry everyone already. What's been going on? Gem Watts, congrats on 4 years of Glow Journal.

Gemma: Thank you. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. That date sneaks up every year and it's just, yeah, I was just feeling all the feelings, which is big for me, as you know. I was like, what are these?

Josh: Something that you're more comfortable talking about, Tully, you were asking Jem about masking? Is that what it's called?

Tully: Yeah, so this is the thing guys, I am a tomboy. I literally was putting on eyeshadow with my finger until 2017 maybe really bad stuff.

Gemma: No no no! That was only 3 years ago.

Tully: Don't worry Jem not anymore. So I often DM Jem and I feel bad because it feels like you've got a friend who's a doctor or a friend who's a lawyer and you casually put them up to things to try and get like solicited advice from them without paying for it. Like, I always feel a bit guilty doing it.

Gemma: It's just a defamation case.

Tully: Basically, basically. So I just like slip on in. I don't even bother making small talk. I'm like, hey Gem, so I've seen this thing on Instagram, or I've heard about this new product. Like, is it legit? What's the deal? What's the best one? What's the, you know, the best one for value for you, for money? And I was just asking Gem, because maskne, obviously guys, is a serious problem here in Victoria. Um, masks compulsory everywhere when you leave the house. And I've recently been sent, um, two silk masks from a girlfriend of mine who is a makeup artist who has pivoted her business and is now doing silk face masks. And I was going to ask Gem, because I've heard that they are not antibacterial, but like there's less chance of getting maskne by using a silk mask. And I was going to ask my beauty guru, um, Gemma, whether that was legit or not.

Gemma: I don't want to get in trouble, but I have some thoughts on silk masks.

Tully: I would love to hear them.

Gemma: So I'm interviewing a doctor about maskne this afternoon. It's, it's not, um, so the thing, my understanding of silk, it's not my understanding of silk, it's, it's silk, it's not absorbent. So that's the whole, like, the beauty of a silk pillow slip is that, um, other than like you're not getting the friction with your hair, they market it as kind of a skincare thing because it's not soaking up your skincare products, which is also the beauty of a silk eye mask if you're sleeping face down on your pillow like I do. If it's cotton, it drinks up all of your skincare products, whereas the silk is like, I don't want this. So given that silk is not absorbent, I just don't see how that's going to create the best environment for your skin, because the whole reason we're getting maskne— I don't love that turn of phrase, but I guess that's what we're going with now.

Josh: We're getting condensation on the face, essentially, aren't we?

Tully: I knew.

Gemma: Well, basically, you're changing your, like, immediate environment to one that is super, super humid. So, that's why people's rosacea is flaring up. That's why they're getting breakouts, because it's basically just like a breeding ground for bacteria.

Josh: So, Gemma, on that, why did we think that it was a good idea? Like, boys, like teenage boys love wearing silk boxer shorts. That seems like The worst.

Gemma: Do you want cotton?

Josh: Yeah. What were we doing? I guess they had the like Simpsons prints on it.

Tully: No, hang on. Didn't they like slink underneath your school pants easier?

Josh: Because they're slinky. Yeah, but I just, but it's a breeding ground.

Jess: It was all about what it looked like up the top though, wasn't it? Coming out of your shorts. You needed to have that big puff up the top.

Tully: So, what you're telling me is there is no good option when it comes to maskne and masks.

Gemma: Well, I mean, I was— any— the more breathable, the better. But the whole point of the mask is that what you're breathing out is not escaping.

Tully: So we can't do a Lana Del Rey with a mesh mask.

Gemma: Oh, fuck that. No, no.

Tully: Bad that she's wearing that out and like promoting.

Gemma: That needs— she needs to get in the bin with that.

Josh: How often are you all, um, washing your mask, Jess? Are you— have you put a mask through a washing cycle yet?

Jess: Yeah, I have, but I've only done it maybe once or twice. These are brand newies though. I was rocking the medical ones for a while, and then obviously can't wash them, so I was rocking them for like a couple weeks, which is naughty, I know.

Tully: But, um, I was a bandana girl, so I've recently had to switch to an actual mask, which has been interesting because I really prefer the bandana. It was much more breathable. I know it's not probably ideal, but I could breathe.

Josh: I mean, the fragrance of the washing detergent's an issue. Like, I feel like I noticed that after washing it, it felt like I was going to have some sort of respiratory issues because it smelled great, but you don't necessarily want to be breathing that in. Gem, have you been washing your hands?

Gemma: The fragrance isn't good for the skin either. Yeah, but I've been doing a hand wash every single time. I get home because I'm not really going places. I'm going to and from Chris's and then like for walks, but I'm doing a boiling hand wash. I'm using like antibacterial detergent and then there's mask sanitizer, which is like hand sanitizer. So, I'm drying it in the sunshine because the heat and the light is apparently good for it. Yeah. And then I'm spritzing it with mask sanitizer. It's a whole routine, which I guess is pretty true to form for me.

Jess: Mm-hmm.

Josh: So, does this mean any sort of lipstick, lip balms, glosses, are you avoiding all of them?

Gemma: Yeah, you just can't, you can't really do it. No.

Josh: What about like a balm? I think that like there's obviously like the gloss and the lipsticks don't make any sense, but just having a balm for keeping your lips moist still has...

Gemma: A balm falls under the category of skincare, I think.

Josh: Sure.

Gemma: But colour cosmetics are just— it's not, it's not a thing that you can really do with a mask.

Tully: My concern is it's been okay, like I've even now it's chilly again today. When it's kind of cooler, you almost feel like the mask kind of protects your face from the wind, from wind chill. However, we've had a couple of really hot days and I shudder to think what it's going to be like when it gets warmer more consistently, because when it's like 29 degrees and you've got a mask on your face, it's just like Oh, the heat is— you can't escape it.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, I feel—

Jess: my mum bought me one and it was literally like a doona on my face. That's how thick it was. It was like a quilted material and it's so thick that you can't breathe in it. It's the police.

Gemma: I got a new one. Oh, I got a new one yesterday and it's the best thing I've maybe ever owned. We were saying like, how sad is it that I got these masks? And I was like, what a stunning mask. Like, that's not a sentence that I would have said a few months ago, but Phoebe from The Blow sent them and it says 'Give me attention,' which felt very on brand for me.

Tully: That is so on brand for you. I was on a fast fashion website— won't mention the name— the other day, and they were selling a 3-piece. It was a bikini bottom, a bikini top, and a matching mask in the same fabric as the bikini. And I was like, is this where we're at? Is this 2020 now? Oh my goodness.

Gemma: Well, did you buy it? Because that would be a good Instagram post.

Josh: Not only would it be content— I mean, it would be great for content, but also If you think about bottoms and the breathability and what the technology that's gone into that, maybe there's something in— maybe we should be wearing sort of bikini-style fabric as masks.

Tully: I've seen some like neoprene ones, like the wetsuit material ones. But again, that seems like it'd be too thick for your face.

Gemma: It's to keep the heat in. That's why a wetsuit exists, to keep you warm. Sure.

Josh: But bikinis are a bit different to wetsuits, aren't they? Like, you know, the material.

Tully: Yeah, you're right. I haven't seen one in a swimsuit material yet. I'm sure there is one. I mean, I saw one on that fast fashion website, but I thought it was more the fact that maybe the fact that it was matching the bikini, maybe we'd be more inclined to wear them on the beach.

Josh: I don't know.

Tully: It just, it was a very confronting sight seeing this beautiful model with this.

Josh: I mean, I feel one of the problems that I'm finding is the, not to make it all about the lockdowns and and things like that. But the— we're encouraged to just binge eat at parks because you can only basically take your mask off when you're eating. And so, we think that we're being clever.

Gemma: Yeah, binge drink at parks.

Tully: I just have a drink in my hand at all times.

Josh: Well, so this is the deal. Like I actually said, Bree and I are going to the park tonight and she's like, we'll drive to the park. I'm like, oh, we won't be able to drive home. She's like, what are you planning at the park? And I'm like, oh, well, I've got some What am I starting to drink, Jess? What are they called? The Bates? No, no, no.

Jess: Yeah, an alcoholic soda water.

Josh: Yeah, I've got a— Yeah. And so, I'm going to be rocking them at the park like the real basic bitch that I am. But what's on everyone's picnic list? If you have to bring one thing, what are you bringing to the picnic?

Gemma: Booze.

Tully: Obviously, booze.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: Clearly, booze.

Josh: What about a food? What about any food at all, Tully?

Jess: Cheese, obviously.

Tully: Sure, cheese is good, but you have to eat the cheese really quickly. Like, you can't have a leisurely picnic for a couple of hours because the cheese would just sit there and get like hot and a bit melty. Um, I like a big, big chunk of watermelon, um, pre-cut, and you can just pick up the slices. Um, mainly because it makes a good Instagram photo, to be honest.

Gemma: Watermelon is the worst thing in the whole world. I know, big day for you guys. You've probably never heard anyone say that.

Tully: Unoffensive fruit. Like, it doesn't offend anybody.

Josh: And I use it.

Gemma: Yeah, which is a face spray that you gave me, Gem. Yeah, it's great in skincare. It's beautiful.

Tully: Smells like a Glow Journal one.

Gemma: Glow Journal would be my business. You're thinking of Glow Recipe, but very close. Um, I just hate it. I hate watermelon and I hate celery because, like, what are you? I understand that they're, like, not offensive, but if you're gonna be a fruit or a vegetable, I want you to bring me something that I can't get elsewhere. So, it's crunchy water.

Josh: What would you pack then, Gem?

Gemma: I will— I've become pretty good at picnicking. I take the champagne because I know that I'm going to drink the most of it, and I think it's rude to expect other people to bring your alcohol. So, I just bring copious amounts of bubbles and then pastries, like little danishes and croissants and things.

Josh: You've been posting some great almond croissants. They're probably— They're up there when it comes to quality. Where are you getting your almond croissants from?

Gemma: You won't— You wouldn't read about it, but the shitty Coles near my house, which is truly the worst Coles of all time. It's not— It is not good. Whenever a new brand is announced as coming into Coles, it's not there. But they have— They redid their, like, bakery section and they have a Laurent Pâtisserie section where Laurent, like, bring in the goods every every morning. Wow, that's great. Magnificent. So good.

Tully: Jess, what would you bring?

Jess: Cheese.

Josh: Cheese.

Jess: I'd have the cheese.

Josh: A soft cheese or a hard cheese? Are you rocking like a wheel of brie, or are you going for sort of a sharp, uh, tasty cheddar?

Jess: We're going brie. It's my favourite thing ever with quince.

Josh: Uh, yeah, quince paste is great.

Gemma: I feel like I love a cheese board, but it only has Sorry. No, you go. I just think cheese is harder to poop. Yeah. Two cheeses?

Jess: No, two quinces.

Josh: Two quinces. So, what's the two different—

Jess: I think quince to cheese ratio needs to be right. You can't be just like slithering this stuff off.

Josh: And so, is quince— it's just a fruit at this point? Is this what we know about quince? So, I know that it turns into a paste. I know the paste, but where is it coming from? Have we— has anyone ever asked this?

Tully: I've got no idea. I'm going to Google it.

Jess: That right now. I mean, you can get different flavours like fig and walnut.

Josh: Oh, really? Okay. I mean, so it's almost like a, like marmalade. What is the fruit in marmalade?

Tully: Quince fruit. What does it look like?

Gemma: I think you get different.

Tully: It's yellow. What the hell, guys? A quince is yellow. This can't be right. It looks like a little mini. This is bizarre.

Josh: It's fruit.

Tully: That is, that just blew my mind. Who would have thought?

Josh: Poached quince. I mean, we're all looking for ISO things to do. We be making our own quince.

Tully: We could be making our own quince paste.

Gemma: Looking for ISO things to do. I had such a big to-do list. I, I signed up to MasterClass in April and I still haven't opened it.

Josh: But it's not about actually watching it, it's just about having it, haven't you?

Gemma: Yeah, true.

Tully: Um, surely by now you were like a professional dancer, because I swear to God I wake up every single morning, or maybe it's when I go to bed, and you You're doing a dance class, I swear, once a day at least.

Gemma: 3 times a week. Yeah, 3 times a day. That's what I was like.

Tully: I'm like, Gem's dancing again. What dance is it today? Is it like a Showtime one? Is it like a funky one? Is it like a break it down street funk one? Like—

Gemma: I mean, as much as I would love to hear you reel off more dance genres, what else is there? What are some other ones?

Tully: Clearly I'm not a dancer. I actually got sent— I got invited to do one of the dance classes that Gem does. As part of like, to be fair, the PR industry and events industry has been pretty bloody amazing during this whole thing. Like how they've managed to still make events happen with always wild and interesting different Zoom calls and different ideas. It's been pretty impressive. And I was invited to do one of Gem's dance classes as part of an event. And I messaged Gem, she saw me post about, I got given like a onesie to do it in.

Josh: And was it a onesie or like a leotard? It's literally a—

Tully: it's like a— they're the new thing. It's like a— it's a onesie, it's a leotard, but like they're cool leotards.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Gemma: I think it's technically a unitard if you were—

Tully: unitard.

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: And so it's a— so because when you say onesie, I think of you in like a giraffe pattern sort of like—

Tully: okay, no, sorry. Okay, no, it's, it's, it's super cute. I was apprehensive only because I am so tall and generally jumpsuits playsuits, onesies don't fit me properly. Camel City, exactly, Camel Toe City. Um, but they looked really cool with like all these like super like amazing yogis are wearing them. They come in these really cool patterns of different backs. Anyway, I've got one, I was excited to have one, and it fit me weirdly, and I felt— I feel like I could do anything. I felt like I could do—

Gemma: it's an amazing fabric, that brand.

Tully: If you feel like you can do any physical activity, like I could go, um, rock climbing, I could do How are you going about going rock climbing in it?

Josh: Like, will I feel comfortable?

Tully: You just feel very supported in every way. Like, your tits feel supported, you know, your butt's lifted. You could do any stretch or like splits. Anyway, point is, is that I was offered to do one of these dance classes as part of the event, and Jem saw me post about it and DM'd me, and I was like, I am absolutely not participating in that, or if I do, it'll be with my camera off because you just don't want to see me try and dance. It's an embarrassment. But Gem, you've been doing a lot of them.

Gemma: Yeah, well, my goal— I think I've talked about this on the show before— I'm not big on New Year's resolutions, but this year I was like, I have to go back to dancing because I did it for 18 years and I've missed it. And then obviously studios closed, so Gabby, who Josh knows, was like, I'm just gonna start teaching them online. Because online dance classes existed, but they can still be a bit stuffy and intimidating despite being on Zoom. So she was like, I just want to do something that's fun. And people do switch their cameras off. A bunch of people from the Strong Squad have been doing them, which is great.

Tully: My thing is, how do you have the room for it? Because like, I don't have— I can barely find a slither of space to put a mat down for some kind of like kick workout. I don't know how you find the space to like jump around and stuff.

Gemma: A lot of it is— this is the downside of it— but a lot of it she will teach it so you're kind of just like doing it sort of on the spot, and then if there's like a travelling step, she gives modifications. She's very clever.

Josh: Well, it's hard for you, Tully, because you've got basically a commercial bar behind you. So, you've got to be careful of not knocking into that.

Gemma: True.

Josh: I mean, how—

Tully: It's my pride and joy, guys. My pride and joy.

Josh: How do you moderate when you have something like that, Tully? Are you a weekday drinker? Because I'm new to drinking and Bree has started saying, oh, like, you probably shouldn't. Do you think I've been drinking for too long?

Gemma: Josh, I said to you, I think 12 months ago, you need to stop saying, "I'm new to drinking." I started when I was like 28 and I'm now 30.

Josh: So, it's been like 2 years, but it's also—

Gemma: Isn't it funny that it's after you met me? I don't know if that's a coincidence.

Josh: Hang on.

Tully: I got drunk with you in LA last year. What are you on about?

Josh: Yeah, right.

Gemma: Exactly.

Josh: That was a year ago. That was—

Tully: Look, both me and my housemate, Peter, we both enjoy a cocktail or two. If you look, you can't see it, but to my right here is a whole bunch of expensive red wine. That's Peter's. I'm not a huge red wine drinker. And then we have a bunch of spirits to my left, which are for cocktails. And that's your question, Josh. I mean, are we talking normally or like during lockdown? 'Cause they're very different.

Josh: I would like to, what were you drinking? What were your habits before lockdown and what are they now?

Tully: Well, look, to be fair, actually, in normal times, as Gemma can attest, we usually have a couple of events events throughout the week. So we— I am drinking throughout the week because we've got events, and you don't go to an event— I can't think of a single event I've gone to where alcohol hasn't been served. Even the morning ones, like the yogi events, there's generally some kind of alcoholic option available if you want it.

Gemma: If there's not, I'm not going.

Tully: Well, most people— most people like, oh no, I just have a kombucha, and I'm like, no, I'll have the mimosa, thank you.

Gemma: Um, hold the orange juice.

Tully: Now, yes, just, just a dash of OJ, thanks. Thanks. Um, but now, yeah, I'm probably drinking. Look, we have a big blowout once a week. My housemate and I have a big either like a boozy, um, like a Sunday lunch or like a Sunday roast, and we go pretty hard.

Josh: Um, like playing music? Like what's the vibe?

Tully: Yeah, we end up— I mean, it's, it's, it's weird. Every week something weird happens. Last, last weekend, um, we decided to try and master shuffling. Um, and so my housemate had a YouTube video up of how to shuffle. We were trying to learn how to shuffle, you know. Living room. It's weird times. The other weekend, she held a plank for 6 minutes. Sometimes I do squats. It gets really acrobatic. Look, it's an odd time over here during lockdown. But yeah, I'm drinking quite a bit. I won't lie.

Josh: And Jess, you've gone the other way. You went from being an absolute animal when it came to booze, and now you haven't been drinking at all. How are you feeling?

Jess: Feeling good. But as soon as Tully and I get back in the office, we're going hard again. We're moving our recordings to the afternoon so that we can drink through to the, you know, afterwards we'll go get dinner, that kind of thing.

Josh: Oh, that would be nice.

Tully: Yeah, I can't wait.

Josh: There is something about pasta and alcohol. Like, one of my favourite things to do is drink and then eat pasta too quickly. Like, there is something about it where it's almost like your final meal. Anyone else eating like that? Just me? Just smashing gnocchi like it's—

Gemma: I will smash gnocchi at any time of any day because it's my favourite thing in the whole world, but I don't specifically crave it after drinking. No.

Josh: Interesting.

Jess: What do you crave?

Tully: I just, I generally drink with most meals. Doesn't have to be pasta.

Josh: Yeah, sure. But what do you crave? Are there certain foods? Unfortunately, Dan Murphy's have a— has, should I say there, Jess? Has or have? Yep. Has. Has. Dan Murphy's has. Fuck, it doesn't sound right, but I'll go with it. Dan Murphy's has a chocolate hazelnut.

Jess: You have to explain this whole thing. You haven't told anyone why.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

Gemma: So, I know it's been, you've discussed it on the podcast during the week.

Josh: I spoke on the show.

Jess: I know, but he didn't say what the reason was.

Josh: What's the reason? Yeah. So, corporate singular. So, the Apple is rather than Apple are.

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: And so, I always think about these things as like the entity. I don't think of them as a single entity. I think of them as all of the people working at Apple. So, I'm always like, oh yeah, Apple are developing this new thing. And so, Jess brought it up with me saying that our whole team is saying the wrong thing because I do it. And so, I'm trying to be better. Anyway, so, Dan Murphy's, they have They or Dan Murphy's?

Jess: We just went through this.

Josh: Yeah, but so what has? Has. Dan Murphy's has a chocolate-coated almonds at their, at the front of the store. It's one of like the chocolates they have. Has. Fuck. I can't tell a story.

Jess: Everyone says it's fine.

Josh: Okay, great. Anyway, yeah, I've worked out that the combination of eating the, like, they're too, too many almonds like that. You're talking like a 500 gramme bag, and it's impossible when you are drinking to not eat them all. But I actually think that I'm somewhat allergic to the combination. Have you found that there's anything that you can eat on its own, but then if you bring it with booze or you bring it with something else, it's actually a little bit toxic to your body?

Tully: What are you on about, Josh?

Gemma: What do you mean?

Josh: So, I can eat choc— I can normally eat Chocolate-coated almonds, no problem. But if I have a wine and then have chocolate-coated almonds, I feel like I'm about to have a heart attack.

Gemma: Well, it's just more sugar.

Josh: Sure.

Jess: Yeah. Ice cream would be one of those things, I think, too.

Tully: Who the hell's eating ice cream with wine?

Josh: What is wrong with you?

Jess: Do you ever do that when you get home and you've gone to Macca's?

Josh: Yeah, definitely. What?

Tully: And have a wine and an ice cream?

Jess: Yeah.

Tully: What?

Jess: Okay, I've got something that I—

Tully: You drink wine all day? You guys are weird, man. You're just about your diet.

Gemma: I just don't want sweets when I'm drinking.

Tully: No, neither.

Gemma: I don't want them.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think I go the other way. Jess, yeah, what were you going to say there?

Jess: Well, the first question that you asked was pairings, food and wine. There is nothing better than a Friday night after work going and sitting with your girlfriends or your workmates or whatever. Straight up about 4:30, 5 o'clock, whatever it is, in the sun with a big bowl of chips and aioli and wine.

Josh: Like hot chips.

Gemma: Am I right? Chippies. Yes, you're not wrong. Hot chips.

Josh: Oh, that's great. Actually—

Jess: Chloe doesn't agree.

Gemma: I'm a fries girl, but sure, fries and aioli.

Tully: Fries. I'm not a chippy gal.

Josh: The best— You are or you aren't?

Tully: I'm not. I'm not a chippy gal.

Josh: What are you? You're not a sweets person? You're not a—

Tully: I am a sweets person, just not when I'm drinking wine.

Gemma: Tully's always thinking.

Tully: I'm a roast gal.

Jess: So, you like roast? Yeah, you like roast.

Tully: No, I am, I, when I order Maccas or whatever, I just don't get the chips. I just get the burger and the Coke.

Gemma: Are you okay?

Josh: Yeah, what's going on? And what happens with those chips?

Tully: They don't give them to me.

Josh: And so, but you're paying for them or no?

Tully: No, you just don't get the meal.

Gemma: You can get singular items.

Josh: Okay, yeah, sure. I've never done it.

Tully: I don't want to waste food.

Jess: No, not many.

Tully: I might have like one or two chips, but I don't want to throw out a near full chip packet. It's just a waste of money. Taste of food.

Josh: What place do you think does the best chips, hot chips?

Jess: Well, I wouldn't know.

Tully: I'm not, you know, the authority on that because I don't eat the chippies.

Josh: Jess, where do you think, what's your favourite place to get hot chips?

Jess: Takeaway-wise, Grilled does really good sweet potato chips.

Josh: Yeah, they do do. Yeah, they were doing it.

Jess: And generally normal potato chips, too.

Josh: Yeah, I do like, like, is it Hunky Dory maybe that does like the sweet potato chips that have like real clear lines? They're quite good.

Tully: Apparently, you know, Salsa's, apparently Salsa's chips are the best.

Josh: Well, they do. They do a lot of herby sort of stuff with them. I also love, what's the chicken shop on Swan Street? That's going to annoy me. They're also on Port Melbourne Bay Street. Bell's? No.

Tully: Bell's Hot Chicken?

Josh: What is it, Breeza? Fox's Den.

Gemma: Hi, Bree.

Josh: Fox's Den. Yeah, Fox's Den. But they do very good big thick chips and with aioli it's great. Gem, where do you think the best hot chips are in Melbourne?

Gemma: Well, I've never really thought about it. If it's a potato, I'm going to eat it. It's that— It's quite simple. This is crazy because I'm a fries person. McDonald's make the best fries. Who was— I feel like, Josh, we maybe had this conversation 12 months ago. Was it you? It seems like a conversation I would have with you about someone who was talking about how McDonald's is like, they're the best at everything that they do. A business like that could not survive unless they were just pumping out consistent high-quality things. And the only— like if they started doing like, you know, gourmet bits and bobs, everyone else is rooted because they would find a way to be the best at it. So McDonald's fries, magnificent.

Jess: I disagree. Hungry Jack's is way better than Macca's.

Josh: Really?

Gemma: Do they do fries?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, no, they do fries. They do fries.

Tully: They do fries.

Gemma: Okay, I've never really— I don't think I've ever had Hungry Jack's.

Josh: So I actually— you've never had Hungry Jack's?

Gemma: Not to my knowledge. I'm sure that I have.

Tully: Wait, what do you mean? In general or fries? Yeah, from Hungry Jack's.

Gemma: No, no, I'm sure I have it maybe like an airport or something.

Tully: Guys, I have a confession.

Gemma: There's not one near me.

Tully: Okay, I drove, I drove to the Hungry Jack's near the office yesterday after we spoke about it. And I got myself a Whopper Jr. with cheese takeaway.

Josh: I respect that. I mean, it's really—

Tully: It's been in my head early in the morning and I just, I couldn't get it out of my head the rest of the day. It is just in my 5K radius and I was like, fuck it.

Gemma: That is the win at the moment. You can do whatever you want.

Josh: It's the win at the moment, isn't it? Looking at what's in the 5K and just being like, it's, I feel like a hunter. I'm like, what do I have access? Like, where am I?

Tully: Yeah, for sure.

Josh: Where's my hunting zone?

Gemma: That's exactly what hunter-gatherers do as well.

Tully: And you feel more bonded to the friends you have in your 5K radius because you're like, well, I said the other day to a girlfriend, to my girlfriend Lainey, I was like, I can only go as far as your house because she lives sort of just on the edge near like Albert Park Lake. And I was like, you're as far as I can go. You're my furthest friend. I can't go further than you. That's it. I can meet you at Albert Park Lake and that's it.

Josh: Gem, you talking about us evangelising McDonald's or saying that they are world class?

Gemma: Yeah, where did I hear this conversation? Well, so I'll tell you something that happened happened about—

Josh: How long ago would it have been now? Maybe 5 years ago, 4 or 5 years ago.

Gemma: Vintage.

Josh: When McDonald's brought out the Create Your Taste menu.

Tully: I remember that.

Josh: And I went to McDonald's and I did the whole experience and I was just blown away, right? Like, I order it and it's like on a screen and then you get a fucking table number and you sit down. I felt like I was in the first class lounge at Singapore. You know, like it was super duper luxe. And I took a photo and I said, you know, just like McDonald's, you know, killed it with the McCafé, they have done it again with Create Your Taste. This is, you know, amazing. Anyway, so I did this Instagram post and then about 6 weeks later, I caught up with Hamish Blake,, and he had been an MC at their annual event. And the marketing person from McDonald's said, we're getting an amazing response. Look at what people are saying. And it was my Instagram post.

Tully: Oh my God, amazing.

Josh: They said, this is just a random guy we looked into. It's all legit. This is what people are saying.

Tully: And you made it. You're an influencer.

Josh: And I just love the idea that that in some sort of McDonald's shareholder meeting my face is there.

Tully: They know who you are.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tully: Your name is known.

Josh: Exactly. And so, I haven't been there.

Gemma: Do you think about that, Tully? I sometimes think about that, like when you do influencer stuff, the fact that then there's going to be a board meeting afterwards where your picture pops up on some sort of very corporate slideshow.

Josh: Well, Jess can speak to this because Jess has been known to have decks in her previous company with your face on it, Gem. Is that true? Is that true?

Jess: Well, both Tully and Gem, yeah.

Tully: Yeah, I've got friends in the industry, in various industries, either client side or in, you know, in ad agencies or marketing agencies, and they'll often send me like a funny, like a photo they've taken on their phone or like a screen grab of a deck they've been sent and it's my face, you know, my stats, you know, why they'd choose to target me. Yeah, I mean, it's always—

Gemma: A little blurb about you and what you're about.

Tully: Yeah, it's definitely a compliment, you know, You know, if you're doing it, you're obviously doing a good job if you're coming up on people's decks. It's never, you know, it's kind of flattering. It's like, oh, obviously means that I'm considered something, semi-decent influencer.

Gemma: Yeah, that's how I feel every time I get paid. I look at my bank account and I'm like, you are good at your job.

Tully: Well, it's how I— yeah, I mean, it's, it's funny when you— when there are things that aren't paid that you— like, for instance, Jess, with the orange wine on Too Much Tully, you know, I spoke about this orange wine that I discovered that I loved, and suddenly my inbox is blowing up with people who are buying it. You can only get it from this one particular boutiquey bottle shop in Melbourne, and they've sold out now. And I'm like, fuck, is this my doing? Like, did I sell out? It might be. Absolutely. Is it my fault that I can't get my own? Like, now I can't get my own orange wine because people are drinking it, which is great. I'm glad that they're enjoying it.

Gemma: Did it with CeraVe. I shot myself in the foot because now you can't get CeraVe in any Chemist Warehouse 'us' nationally. It's great, but also the worst thing ever.

Josh: Yeah, you need to stock up.

Tully: Don't take what you say as gospel.

Josh: You need to stock up before you do that sort of thing. So, I hear that people will be buying things for Christmas earlier this year. I think I heard even an ad by AusPost being like, 'Get in early.' Yeah. Have we started thinking about Christmas presents?

Tully: By the 14th of December, you have to send your stuff by the 14th.

Gemma: I've got to do gifts, guys.

Josh: Okay, so what does this mean? Gift guides, gems?

Gemma: I do— the Glow Journal gift guide is probably like our biggest week of the year every year, because I started doing them 3 years ago now. It would have been the second year of it, because I feel like, Josh, you probably— actually, maybe you have looking for presents for Breeza, but Jess and Tarlie will understand. If you're looking for beauty like recommendations, and if you're searching like beauty gift guide, it would just come up with a stock image and the name of the product and the price, and you would just have to click through until you found something that was interesting to you. So I was like, 'Okay, we need something where it's not stock images, 'cause I wanna know that the person writing about it has actually tried the product and enjoys using it. There needs to be more information beyond just the blurb that the company has supplied, and it needs to be broken down by price, because everyone's got a different budget.' I just wanna be able to say, 'Okay, this this is how much I wanna spend, click here, blah, blah, blah. So I started doing these gift guides where there's 3 price categories and then I work through skin, makeup, like advent calendar type things. So it's a huge undertaking and it's probably the only not sponsored content that I'm doing, but it serves the people. But I've gotta start thinking about it.

Josh: And so how, is that on your website or what's the? Yeah. Okay, great. And when are you gonna have it ready?

Gemma: Well, I usually pump it out first week of December. But now I'm going to have to do it a bit earlier.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tully: Which is just a shame because—

Gemma: Yeah, but I'm too busy to do it at the moment, but I have to. I just won't sleep for a week.

Josh: Even Bree was saying, she's the marketing director at Hey Tiger, the chocolate company, and she was saying that, no vet, like she's prepared for November being the big thing. So, I do wonder what, because I'm terrible when it comes to Christmas stuff, like I'll leave it till I'm like, okay. 'What can I get?' Like, I remember I have bought Bree— One of the first things I bought her for a birthday present was a Nintendo DS, and she'd only ever mentioned it once. But JB Hi-Fi was the only thing open after sort of 7:30 PM the night before.

Tully: This is lazy, JJ.

Josh: Well, so this is— It's not lazy. It's just a prioritisation thing.

Tully: No, it's lazy. That's just plain lazy.

Josh: And so, anyway, I want to get—

Jess: And he hates people as well. Doing it that late.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: Yeah.

Josh: It's annoying. And so, I would love to. I love the idea of e-commerce. Perfect. But for whatever reason, there is a— there's a gap between when Christmas is and when I need to buy everything. And so, I'm keen to use this as like, okay, I'm going to pretend like Christmas is next week. Let's get it all sorted. And so, when's everyone doing their Christmas shopping this year, then? Jess?

Gemma: I don't know.

Jess: Yeah, probably start of December, but do you know what? There's Black Friday and Cyber Monday now, so if you do want to make some savings on anything, you can save up there.

Tully: I find it really hard to think about Christmas until my birthday is up, guys.

Gemma: I'm the same.

Tully: The day is my birthday. Exactly the same. I can't it, yeah, I can't think about Christmas until my birthday is done, so I'm going to have to wait.

Gemma: Like you're giggling, but I'm exactly the same. I can't do Christmas until my birthday's over.

Tully: It's like me first, and then I think about other people. You're November, aren't you, Jen?

Gemma: November 28th. Well done.

Josh: It's leaving it late though, Jen. Like it's—

Gemma: I'll be fine.

Josh: Yeah.

Gemma: And so I just think—

Tully: I think I heard that you have to— they're suggesting you post your— if you have to post them, if they're physical presents, You have to post them by the 14th of December, I think is what I heard.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tully: To be 100%. I think that's, I don't know if that's express or regular post, but to be 100%, you know, bang on the money.

Josh: Any retail?

Gemma: I'll just be getting housey things, so.

Josh: Oh, sure. Yeah, what's the latest on the house? Have you found a place or what's the deal?

Gemma: Well, open for inspections are back up and happening again. So, that's great because they stopped for a while and I would sooner remove a limb than purchase a property based on ARB. Virtual tour would be like buying a formal gown from AliExpress. What you end up with is absolutely not what you saw online. So true, so true. But yeah, they're back up again. Had you asked me a week ago, I would have been like, there's not really anything of interest to us. But there's been a couple this week that—

Josh: I mean, I think—

Tully: I said the same thing you said, I'm sad.

Josh: Architectural Digest, anyone else watching that?

Tully: YouTube? Weirdly, no. No, no, no.

Gemma: I want to live with Kendall Jenner.

Tully: Why the hell would I be watching that show when there's so much other stuff to watch?

Josh: What do you mean? What else is there to watch? We're selling Sunset.

Tully: No, I'm not into that either. I just currently finishing Emily in Paris, which is a, which is a dumpster fire, but I can't look away.

Josh: Okay, um, can you explain to me so I don't—

Tully: people keep telling me I look like her, so I feel a little bit like, you know, I'm, I'm that egotistical that I'm watching a show because I'm like, I do look a little bit like her. Um, look, it's gross. It's by the makers of, um, Sex and the City. So it had great premise, uh, starring Lily Collins, uh, who's very, very thin, very thin, uh, and she is a Chicago marketing intern that gets sent to Paris to give this marketing company an American point of view. Um, and obviously she struggles in Paris. They all hate her. It's, look, it's been slammed by people from Paris because it's just super cliché. It's cliché that you can imagine about Paris. You know, she eats a fucking croissant in the first episode. Sure. Um, but look, it's great. It's light and fluffy. She wears some great outfits. There's a hot love interest. It's set in the city of Paris. We can't travel for at least a year.

Josh: Did they film on location, or where was it?

Tully: Yeah, it's definitely in Paris for sure. It's just easy. It's one of those shows you pop on when you're a bit hungover, you know. You don't have to pay a lot of attention.

Josh: Perfect.

Tully: You can tune in, tune out. You can have have your phone in front of you but still catch up. I'm enjoying it. It's awful. It's awful, but it's also amazing.

Gemma: I'll probably watch it if it's awful.

Tully: People keep recommending— Jen, you'll love it.

Gemma: Jen will love it. People recommend critically acclaimed television shows to me and I'm like, yeah, I'll definitely put that on the list. And then I just start watching The O.C. again from the start for the 8th time.

Josh: This is like— It's very hard not to judge people when, say, if you like a show, And then someone says, "Oh, no, that show's shit." Jess, you started watching Schitt's Creek. What is your review on Schitt's Creek? I love—

Tully: I've heard so much about this.

Josh: I love Schitt's Creek.

Tully: It's such a good show. I haven't watched a single episode.

Gemma: I watched the first episode and it was bad.

Josh: Oh, here we go.

Tully: Thank you.

Josh: Alright, Jess.

Jess: So, Gemma, do you know what Josh said to me? Because I said the same thing. I said I watched 2 episodes. I tried to give it its time of day and I said, "Nah, it's just not that funny. It's weird acting." Like, I just, I can see how some lines are funny, but it just the setting, the whole narrative, just I didn't like it. And then, so Josh told me that because of that, I don't have a sense of humor.

Gemma: Okay.

Jess: So that's, isn't that the most offensive thing you've ever heard?

Josh: We didn't need to finish by just stacking on you, but I'll—

Gemma: I have been told, I have been told by a lot of people who love the show, give it a season. And I was like, I'm sorry. Why, why would I waste a whole season? A season?

Tully: I'm sorry, I've seen TikTok videos that make jokes about, um, you have to skip the first 45 minutes or something. Like, if you just— if you can just make it for the first 45 minutes of it, then you'll understand it.

Josh: Like, yeah, I mean, wait, but Josh, do you like shows?

Tully: Exactly. You'll love Emily in Paris, Jeff. Do you Josh, do you like— okay, so these are the kind of questions that I ask on first dates and then immediately discount them if they answer the wrong way. Okay, yeah. So, so I'm— my kind of humour and my kind of shows are like 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, The Office, um, The Office, right? That's me.

Gemma: Yeah, UK Office.

Tully: If you're into either, really, if you're into, uh, Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men, That is not for me. And I'm— I don't even like Seinfeld, guys. I don't like Seinfeld.

Gemma: Neither do I. Thank you.

Tully: I don't like it. It's not funny. Yeah, sorry, it's not funny.

Gemma: It's not about anything.

Tully: Jeremy, people— Jimmy, boys, men— no, they're boys. That's cool. That's cool. They are. Do you know how many boys on— he's— yeah, you've opened a can of worms with this one.

Josh: Do you mean boys?

Tully: I think of guys who have shoes on dating apps. Hang on, have stuff about like Seinfeld being the deal breaker. I think they're trying to find their perfect match by bringing up Seinfeld early on. I'm like, thank you so much for allowing me to know that you'd like Seinfeld because I'm going to immediately swipe left to you. Because if you think Seinfeld is the best show in the world, then you and I are not going to get along at all.

Josh: No, I get it. I get the Seinfeld pushback. The other shows that you mentioned, Two and a Half Men, not really interested. I don't watch that much, but I think things like The Office—

Tully: If you tell me The Big Bang Theory is funny, I will literally chuck the computer screen.

Josh: Well, no, no, no, no, The Office is great. 30 Rock is great. What else is—

Jess: I've got a controversial one.

Josh: Okay, here we go.

Jess: Friends.

Tully: Never got into Friends.

Gemma: Oh, shit.

Tully: I know. Commit me a new producer.

Josh: Yeah, what's your issue with Friends, Jess?

Jess: I think my thing is—

Jess: It's like watermelon. It's not offensive. You can't be offended by Friends.

Josh: Well, you can if we know anything.

Gemma: Yeah, you can. You absolutely can.

Josh: No, so the Friends thing.

Jess: Yeah, like I could watch it if it was on, but it's not my go-to. You know how some people literally go to sleep with it on? Like they want to rewatch it like Gem does with the—

Tully: But that's because it's like background noise. They've watched it so many times. It's like Sex and the City for me. They've watched it so many times that it's easy to have on in the background. So you're not sitting in silence. Is it an age thing? Like, how old is everybody? I'm about to turn 33. Jess, you're only 30. Oh, okay. Maybe it's not an age thing then.

Josh: So, I think that there's, yeah.

Gemma: I'm 14 and I love it.

Josh: I think anything that we watched when we were younger, I think that we obviously are drawn to. So, I like, I love Laguna Beach. I love all those sort of MTV reality shows.

Jess: Did I watch Family Guy the other day?

Josh: I was watching Family Guy the other day just because I was like, wanted something that I could start from the start. And I did. I tried to do it with The Simpsons. So, I was getting annoyed that my mate was always doing The Simpsons references and I just didn't understand them. And so, I got Disney Plus and I—

Tully: For Hamilton only, obviously.

Josh: No, no, for The Simpsons. And I bought a moleskin notepad and I would do a Simpsons diary and so I'd say—

Tully: Such a loser.

Josh: Honestly. So, I would write—

Gemma: This is so on brand.

Josh: I would write down what the plot— This was like a year ago, writing down the plot and what I remember. And unfortunately, I fell off pretty quickly because the idea was I was going to watch one old episode.

Tully: Did you use flashcards or?

Josh: No, no. My index cards.

Gemma: Index cards.

Josh: Please use the correct term, Fraser. I do look— Happy birthday, Tully, is an index card. Like, I've got all the references. 4 years of Glow Journal.

Tully: Oh, that's nice.

Josh: You actually use them. Let Jess speak. That one, that's what that says. I've got everything covered.

Gemma: Josh, I have a recommendation for you quickly. You mentioned Laguna Beach. I feel like I've— maybe I haven't. Whitney Port, you know. Yeah, she's amazing. Her and— she and her husband have a YouTube channel and they just finished rewatching all of the episodes of The City, and her husband Timmy was one of the producers. So, it's like Gogglebox, but she's the star and he was the producer. So, they pause it and they have little behind-the-scenes tidbits. It was so fun, and they're about to start redoing it with The Hills.

Josh: Oh, that's great. So, I watched her interview with Lauren Conrad the other day.

Gemma: Oh, you watched it? Yes.

Josh: Yeah, it was good. It was interesting. I mean, Lauren's quite a private person, I feel.

Gemma: Her voice has changed a lot. I saw a snippet.

Josh: Well, she sort of just— I think she pushed back a lot on the whole reality. Like, she went on and had a business and did all other stuff and sort of pushed that away.

Tully: Yeah. Gem, did you meet Whitney when she was at the polo that year?

Gemma: No, I didn't. Was she amazing?

Josh: Is she nice?

Tully: When I say meet, my friend asked if I could get a photo with her.

Gemma: You would have looked like twins. You're both so tall and beautiful and blonde.

Jess: She looked—

Tully: I mean, I was just so starstruck. I mean, that's like me meeting Audrina Patridge. They're two of the best. I think I've really, you know, I've made it. When I've met those kind of celebrities.

Gemma: I can't imagine you getting starstruck.

Tully: Oh my goodness, no, you know what, I actually don't. There's one person I would be absolutely starstruck about, and that's Taylor Swift. If I ever met her, I would— I can't even talk about it. I would just cry.

Josh: What about Miley? I think Miley has that vibe as well.

Tully: No, I love Miley, but Miley's like— Miley's hung out with friends that I know in LA. I feel like it would be much easier to stumble into a party and Miley's having a joint in the corner, and I would be like Oh, fuck, it's Miley. But Taylor, oh my God.

Josh: She's a pain in the arse. Her doco was great. Did you see like in her doco, they have the whole scene where people are talking about how she looks and all of that sort of thing. Nikki Glaser, the comedian. Have you heard? Have you seen this?

Gemma: Jackie Rhodes Studios.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. So she was on Jackie Rhodes Studios, but she's mates. Her ex is good friends with the Hamish and Andy crew because he was producing.

Tully: Yeah, I was in LA and Bec Carding, who's obviously Andy's partner, told me to go see Nikki's show that night and they hooked it up somehow. So that's how I kind of—

Josh: Nikki's so funny.

Gemma: She's so funny.

Tully: She got blasted.

Josh: Yeah. So yeah, because there was basically like if you're talking for a living, especially as a comedian, You just say shit that you don't actually believe, but you're just saying because it's funny. And she did a bit around, oh, you know, Taylor's too skinny, blah, blah, blah. And then she's watching the trailer of the Taylor Swift doco and she hears her voice.

Tully: I would just vomit.

Josh: She's like, fuck. And so she ended up doing, she did a post on Instagram and then Taylor commented and said, perfect apology.

Gemma: That was beautifully written.

Tully: But also like Taylor, you know, guys, like Tay Tay's forgiving, you know, like that's all she needed. You know, she sent Katy Perry a hand-woven blanket for her newborn baby. And as we know, they've famously had a few. They have patched it up prior to the baby being born, but I just thought that was such a beautiful little touch.

Josh: There's something so normal about Katy Perry.

Gemma: I think so, too.

Josh: I think that she could be, she could live next door. And it would just be like, ah, hey, hey, Katie.

Tully: I think those two together are really like kooky couple. Hey Jess, what are your thoughts?

Jess: Do you know how much we're—

Tully: I knew it would be hard. I knew it would be hard with me and Gem to get a word in. So I'll try and keep my mouth shut.

Josh: Who knew I cared so much about Katy Perry? But I do.

Jess: I have nothing to say on Katy Perry.

Josh: Yeah, sure. You're more sort of a Metallica gal.

Jess: Yeah. You know, old school rock and roll folk, that type of thing.

Josh: We've gone through I'm glad the Fleetwood Mac stuff is making a comeback with that meme. That's great too.

Jess: I feel like it already had though. Like they've come out to Australia twice now, or, you know, at least twice. And then Stevie Nicks has come out solo as well. So it's—

Gemma: yeah, the original White Witch.

Tully: I've been told I look like a young Stevie Nicks many times.

Gemma: I think you're usually prettier than me.

Jess: Everyone here.

Tully: Yeah, usually by old drunk guys.

Gemma: Um, that'll do it.

Tully: Did everyone see that? The viral video of the guy on the skateboard with cranberry juice.

Gemma: Of course.

Tully: He's suing a company because a company's put his face on a t-shirt.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: And he's suing them.

Josh: Yeah, I sort of, I feel, I get that. Anyway, we've got to go.

Gemma: But thank you. Mr. 97 just replied to a text that I sent him on Sunday, so.

Josh: Perfect. Thank you, Gem. Thank you, Jess. And happy birthday.

Jess: Happy birthday.

Josh: Tully.

Jess: Happy birthday.

Gemma: 21 today.

Tully: Absolutely. 21 today.

Josh: Yeah, go cheque out Glow Journal, the podcast, uh, by the lovely Gemma Watts, Queen Gronkh. And also cheque out Too Much Tully with Tully Smythe, and you'll, uh, Jess is there as well and she gets to talk.

Jess: She's getting a new producer though.

Gemma: And it's Screenplay Sunday, Screenplay Sunday as well, uh, uh, today.

Josh: Uh, Tully Smythe is on Screenplay Sunday.

Tully: I am, and I really bring it.

Josh: Playing herself.

Gemma: Oh, I'm so jealous.

Tully: Jess lets me down, but I really bring my A-game.

Josh: Perfect. All right, enjoy your Sunday, everyone, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Gemma: See you guys.

Jess: Bye!

Gemma: See you guys.