Finding Jess A Life Partner

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 784.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? Happy Wednesday. Happy hump day. Yes, happy, uh, Georgie Boy hump day. Episode released.

Josh: Yep, it's very good. Uh, for people who are not in Victoria, uh, starting tonight, 11:59, Victorians are going back into lockdown.

Tommy: Yeah. Which, I mean, it feels a bit different this time. I went and did the whole last coffee at the coffee shop that I go to.

Josh: Your energy seems low.

Tommy: Oh, I think I've worked from home most of the day. Bodhi's waiting to get a COVID test back. Doesn't like— He's got no, none of the symptoms, but you just— There's new rules. You can't take your kid to daycare if they've got a snotty nose. Usually it's where you offload them when they do have a snotty nose because you don't want them at home. But the rules have changed and so you literally have to pay money to keep them home. It's the biggest rot having a kid, I'll tell you what.

Josh: It is a bit annoying, isn't it?

Jess: Anyway, so—

Josh: Is that your bit of advice?

Tommy: Yeah, that's one of them.

Jess: The TDS quote.

Josh: The biggest rot having a kid.

Tommy: No, but it's funny. We got him tested on Monday. It's Wednesday. I thought the result would have come back. But maybe because they've done rapid testing, like shitloads of it last few days, 26,000, I think, in one day yesterday. It's probably a backlog.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: Probably a fair few people.

Josh: There was around, what, 120-odd UK cases?

Mason: 133.

Josh: And so, yeah, for people who aren't aware, yeah, 6 weeks, it's going to be similar to last time. Things like gyms, all of that are closing. But we're deciding that we're going to come into work, do the podcast, keep it nice and easy. We've got our distance. We've got, I mean, that's, that's probably to work in the shop. But, you know, hands up.

Jess: It's alright, we got till tomorrow.

Josh: I don't know, that's not how legal works.

Tommy: That's definitely not how COVID works. Oh, look, I will let you guys off this time. I'll infect you tomorrow. Look, I'll infect you tomorrow. But it's a weird one because I think it sparked back up the feelings that I had going into the last one, which was unknown. Unsure about anything.

Josh: Your shot's annoying me a little bit. Can you move more over to your right, please? That's better.

Tommy: That's better.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Tommy: Bringing up all of those past feelings, and you see a lot of people on social media in Victoria talking about mental health and, you know, posting Lifeline's number, reach out. And I think it was, it's very quick, the getting out of that hole, or so it seemed for a lot of people. Because life just started again in some way or started to rebuild. Now it's shutting back down for a lot of us. And so, I think it's apparent that people will be struggling with their mental health. How's your mental health?

Josh: Well, it seems my mental health is good, actually. Thank you for asking.

Tommy: Why do you think it's good even though we're going back into something like this?

Josh: I like ambiguity, but I also feel like it's clearer than what it's been because I've thought that it was going to happen. When decisions are made, I feel better. And so, at least we have 6 weeks.

Tommy: You actually did say earlier in the week, Thursday before.

Josh: Well, yeah, I just thought that based on the Tuesday thing, they would get everyone out of the— I mean, how many— There's only a certain amount of things that they can do. And with all of these things, it's just like we have examples around the world and things that are happening and what happened last time. But also, if you have enough guesses, you're right.

Tommy: I think the one thing that is apparent is people complaining about it. I know it's fucked, it's fucked for everyone. We've lost work, we've lost thousands of dollars of business just in yesterday. Might happen down the—

Josh: That was before COVID It might happen in the future.

Tommy: Like, literally today, emails about shit not happening. But it's out of our control, and you can blame Big Ears, you can blame Daniel Andrews, you can blame the government and look at it as a, this political thing, but it's like These are people who haven't had to make these calls before. I just, I feel for them as humans that are needing to make decisions that impact everybody. Fuck that position. I don't want to be that guy. Well, I'll never be that guy. I do it for my son. I do it for my son. And that's enough pressure as it is.

Josh: Well, I think we did have a, yeah, you've announced that you're never going to run for Prime Minister.

Tommy: I think, yeah.

Josh: Seb, you did the same as well.

Tommy: I'm actually, I'm putting it. In as well. Also Premier.

Josh: I won't be Premier.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Won't be the Premier.

Jess: George might, though.

George: Definitely not. But I was thinking this year is like the first year that I've ever known the names of Premiers.

Tommy: Yeah. Do you remember Steve Bracks, Victorian Premier?

George: No.

Tommy: And then his son's Nick Bracks.

Josh: No, I think that might have just been sort of your circle.

Tommy: No, I didn't know. I didn't know Nick. I know Nick now, but I didn't know Nick back then. He was my age, but I just knew for— He was just a big, big man, big dark hair, sort of went silver foxish. But I just knew.

Josh: Was it model or something?

Tommy: Robert Doyle? No, he was the—

Josh: Robert Doyle was a Lord Mayor.

Tommy: Lord Mayor. Lord Mayor. Yeah. And so, I mean, yeah.

Josh: I actually did a— Fun fact. I did a what would be described as a slight smear campaign against Robert Doyle.

Tommy: Did you?

Josh: You did? For another— For another Lord Mayor campaign. So, it was 2008.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Someone was going for Lord Mayor and a PR firm hired me to create a video called Where's Robert Doyle? And I went around Melbourne asking people. I got my mate to ask, have you seen Robert Doyle? And the end of the joke is we went to 3AW because he was famously only going and doing interviews at 3AW.. And we said, have you seen Robert Doyle? And we had faces of him, and then we put it out onto YouTube. And, but interestingly, when you are doing that on behalf of someone, it needs to have at the end, this is— what is it, endorsed or whatever, you know, at the end, spoken by. And so, one of the PR people, like one of their friends just did it like in Queensland, so it couldn't be like Connected.

Tommy: And so what was it to put— what was the point of it?

Josh: If you actually Googled it, it would come up. And so it was to highlight that Robert Doyle wasn't speaking to any media.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Except 3AW. Yeah.

Tommy: So it's— he's very biased.

Josh: But no, I understand that it's tough. And that's why— That's why I wanted to give you babies something. I wanted to give you all a gift to try and bring your moods back.

Tommy: Okay, no, that's good. I won't poke holes at when you decided to do this purchase.

Josh: Okay. Why?

Tommy: Was it before lockdown or?

Josh: No, I decided on my walk-in.

Tommy: Oh, that's fucking amazing. So that's what I thought you might have got a delivery on Monday. No, no, no. You're doing it today.

Jess: No, no, no.

Tommy: Great.

Josh: This was literally, I was, you know, this is the closest I'll have to having a kid. I was sort of in line at somewhere and I saw something for everyone and I was like, this is perfect.

Jess: Yeah. Was it Ozpost, was it?

Josh: Yeah, it was, wasn't it? But you guys are rude.

George: Is it a joint present?

Josh: No, it's not. You get all— you all get one each.

George: Amazing.

Josh: Lovely.

Jess: All right.

Josh: Okay. So I'll give you a bit of a backstory or some thoughts.

George: So definitely Ozpost. Sorry, go on.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So anyway, where every horrible dad buys presents for their kids.

Josh: It's tough. It's tough times. So you got your books though, Delivered? Yeah, I know. And you guys don't have any books. No. So, I was thinking a pain point of mine has been around my good pens.

Tommy: Good pens. Yep.

Josh: So, I have some really good pens. And what I don't like is I can't just have them lying around.

Tommy: I didn't know this. I haven't heard you mention this. I know you've had pen problems before at other offices.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: No, I've got a guy who was taking— You ended up marking one.

Josh: And I got security footage of him taking my pen.

Tommy: Took him to court.

Mason: Can we also clarify? Is it the board pens?

Josh: No, no, it's not the whiteboard pens. These are the Uni-ball pens that they write like fountain pens, but they're sort of a traditional—

Tommy: Grey ones?

Josh: Yeah, they've got the lid. Yes.

Tommy: Oh, I've been using them.

Jess: They are good pens.

Tommy: I am the problem.

Josh: And so, I don't like that. But also, the other thing, too, is with COVID we can't be sharing pens.

Tommy: Sure.

Josh: So, that's one frustration of the café that I went to on the weekend. It's like we're fucking handing around a pen to fill out. It's like, I would never normally be at a cafe where everyone basically, like, it's the, everyone, make sure you touch the stick. That's essentially what they're doing to get everyone's names, but it's not COVID safe. Surely they're wiping it down. I don't think, surely they're not. I reckon you're giving people too much credit.

Tommy: The only way you could get around it is someone saying hand sanitise before you use it.

George: Yeah. The cafe I went to on the weekend, it was a scan-in.

Josh: McDonald's?

George: QR code. No, Sir Charles in Fitzroy.

Josh: Oh, yeah.

George: Fitzroy, Sir Charles. Have you tried the Scotch eggs.

Josh: Yeah, like the eggs, the eggs that's crumbed.

George: Yeah, that's what I had, Eggs Benedict. It's yum, isn't it?

Josh: It's not, um, it's on the roti bread.

George: Yeah, that was nice.

Josh: Okay, anyway, so the presents. So here are the presents. You ready?

George: Yep.

Tommy: All right, so he's got the pen problem, he's laid out, he's pulling up.

Josh: Just put him in my jacket. That's a real dad thing, don't you think? He's got his jacket. It's in my jacket. Hang on. So it's in my North Face jacket, everyone. So, um, all right, um, so before I take them out, so you're all gonna have to pick, pick one. So this is what's gonna be interesting, okay? You're gonna all have to really—

Jess: can you— what's, what's the vibe?

Josh: And so this is a personal— this was a personal expense, this wasn't a big media company expense. Yeah, so here we go.

Jess: Is it first in the house? Yeah, yeah. What are we—

Josh: how are we just talking about— okay, close your eyes, everyone close your eyes.

Jess: All right.

Tommy: Okay, don't throw it at my face.

Josh: No, I won't.

Tommy: I feel like it's going to be something thrown.

George: Um, are you walking around, Josh?

Josh: No, no, no, no.

George: Okay.

Josh: All right, now everyone open your eyes. All right, so they're little, um, what I've gotten. Can you describe what it is?

Tommy: It's a— TJ, it's a duck, a duck's lips and little, little googly eyes and this little plastic hair. It's on the end of a what?

Jess: A pen.

Josh: It's a pen. So, what I've done is to be COVID safe, I wanted— I want this to be a fun time, this the next 6 weeks. And so, what I've done is I've gotten some pens, but I've also picked 4 different colours. And so, what I would prefer, I'm going to keep using my Uni-ball. You see, we've got 4. I'll keep using the pens that I have, but you will all get to pick a colour. So, who—

Jess: Great.

Josh: What colours does everyone want?

Tommy: How about this? What's your favourite colour, George? Uh, no, no, no, no, in general.

George: General orange.

Tommy: Okay, Jess, what's your favourite colour?

Mason: Um, maybe like a yellow.

Tommy: What's your favourite colour, Seb?

Jess: Blue.

Tommy: And I'm blue. So, we're going to clash on the blues.

Jess: I'm happy to go purple.

Tommy: Sure.

George: I would have gone purple, but—

Mason: Which one of you is taking the pink one?

Tommy: Oh, I'd take the pink one for sure.

Mason: Okay, you can have the pink one.

Josh: Okay, so which colour? So, what colour are you getting? You want yellow?

Mason: The yellow greeny one.

Josh: It almost looks like Big Bird, the yellow one, doesn't it?

Jess: It does.

Josh: And so, they've Yeah. So, what does everyone think of their presents?

Tommy: It looks like a dart, a giant dart. You could almost send it. Send it.

Josh: No, I'm not. No.

Tommy: Alright, we'll have them after.

Josh: And so—

Tommy: No, that's good.

Josh: They smell like rubber.

Tommy: And they'll probably write like shit. Smells like rubber, writes like shit.

Josh: But so, the thing is that these need to— There's no losing these things.

Tommy: Well, yeah, you're not losing that. I mean, you could— It could double as a fishing— What do you call it? Part of the tackle, like the, um, bait, a lure. The lure. It could be a lure. You could legit use it as lure, but you're not allowed to fish in Victoria.

Jess: They should make Uni-Ball ones like that.

Mason: Yeah, so they shouldn't.

George: No, they—

Jess: no, they definitely should. No one would steal them.

Tommy: Yeah, but very off-brand.

Josh: Yes, Jess.

Mason: How do you feel about us taking them to client meetings?

Josh: Oh, I think you have to. Yes, like, that's it.

Mason: So we've got a big media company coming in to talk to us today about Yes.

Tommy: And running a strategy session to launch.

Josh: Definitely. I think that this would actually potentially be a bit of a differentiating factor.

Jess: Get us across the line.

Tommy: It's a peacock move.

Josh: Yeah, I think that's great. And because you all have them, I won't have it. Obviously, there was only 4 different colors.

Tommy: You know, Seth Godin would probably get around this.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. You could imagine Seth Godin.

Tommy: He loves this kind of shit.

George: How much were they a pop?

Josh: Rude to ask, but it was $3.90 each.

George: That's pretty primo.

Josh: Yeah, that's pretty primo. I mean, it said Auspost. Aussie Post. You were right. Yes, it's very cheap. But no, the lady behind the counter, she was confused by the whole thing.

Tommy: She said, oh, she said that someone would buy.

Josh: Yeah, like I had 4 of them. And because they always, they ask like, how much were they?

George: Yes.

Josh: And I'm always honest. I tell them, oh, you, because they're not in the system. No, they, she literally took out a calculator, which I'm sure that she bought from AusPost as part of their stock. Yeah. And she said, how much was it? I said, $3.90.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And she said, oh, what is it? She goes, for disco. She thought it was a disco. And I said, no, it's a pen. And she's like, oh, they're great.

Mason: Yeah. So meanwhile, the ink's probably dried up because, you know, like the turnover of those products is very low.

Tommy: No, I will say I'll use nothing but that pen moving forward.

George: Yeah, same. I actually need a new pen.

Mason: Mine needs a haircut. Mine's got that stray.

Jess: You have got one.

Mason: The stray hair.

George: Oh yeah. Let's get your hairdresser.

Tommy: Turn it around. I'm going to give mine a mullet.

Jess: So there you go.

Josh: Oh my God. It looks like my ear hair, doesn't it?

George: Yeah.

Tommy: I'm going to give— Yeah, mine's getting a mullet.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Party at the back.

Josh: Well, just be careful. Don't ruin them.

Tommy: Business at the front.

Josh: I made sure. So, I actually had two because I was being very careful being COVID. Just I knew that as soon as I touched them, I had to buy them. So, I was very careful. But I touched one and realised that it didn't have the protector and so that it was probably dried up ink. And so, I got one to match it.

Tommy: Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate the present. We've got nothing for you. But yesterday we're upstairs and and I heard your computer go off and I looked over and I was like, on your screen, I was like, fuck, that looks like my Instagram inbox. And I was like, are you logged into my Instagram? How can you see my, my, how can you see my DMs of my personal Instagram? And then you're like, oh no, it's through your Facebook. And then I was like, oh, hang on, let me just work this out. Oh, I made you an admin when I got my, uh, when I realised that I still had access to my likes page. I made you an admin instantly. I didn't have an Instagram at that point, it'd been wiped. And then my Instagram got activated again, which is connected to my likes page, and you're an admin of, which means you can see my inbox messages now.

Josh: Which I thought was the point. I was pissed off last night when I got an email saying that I'd been taken off as admin.

Tommy: So after I saw that, I was like, what are you hiding? Absolutely nothing. But would you give me your personal Instagram to be able to go through.

Josh: Definitely.

Tommy: I don't think you would.

Josh: Yeah, I'll get you logged in. I mean, we've got everyone on Find Friends. I know we're like, Jess is now on Find Friends. How do you feel about being on Find Friends?

Mason: Have you used it yet?

Josh: Against you?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Against is probably the wrong word. Have I checked you guys out on the weekend, seeing where you are? The problem is I haven't fully ascertained your house.. So, the problem is I don't know whether you're just home. And so, GB, what I love about George is he's really dialled in his whole setup. So, when he is home on Find Friends, it will say home. Yeah.

George: I actually need to change work because you can make it work as well.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

George: It's an easy one.

Jess: Oh, really?

Mason: I used it on you. Really? Yeah.

Josh: This morning or when?

Mason: No, Tuesday morning when we went out for coffee and we were meeting. No. Yeah. Tuesday.

Tommy: Yesterday.

Josh: And you wanted to see where I was.

Mason: And I was like, I just need to see how far off he is. And that's why I texted you because and I asked you if you wanted a coffee.

Josh: How good is— How good was it?

Mason: Well, see, I mean, good, because I was like, is he going to be late? Is he like, what's going to happen?

Josh: Which you— I was on time. But then because you said, can you— Do you want a coffee? You bought yourself an extra 5 minutes. So, you were about 4 minutes late.

Mason: 2 minutes late. But also, I was only late because of your coffee.

Josh: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Which is fine.

Tommy: I think there is a—

Josh: Soy milk.

Tommy: There is a version. Of it sort of going a little too far. I think Instagram, having access to someone's personal Instagram inbox, is that a little bit too far? George, Jess, and Mason, what do you think? How would you feel about Josh having access, regardless of if there's anything to hide, of your personal, not business, not hump day?

George: Yeah, probably rather not. I mean, there's nothing. It'd be boring for you. There's literally my DM, like, What blew my mind is when Grace moved to Melbourne, Mason's like, she's finally caught up on all her DMs. I'm like, I've never seen more than like 3.

Jess: Yeah, she had a lot of DMs.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: That she responded to.

Jess: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: What about you, Jess?

Mason: Yeah, I probably wouldn't want you to have access, but it would be funny for you to like if anyone ever slid in there. I'd tell you, obviously.

Josh: What sort of sliding happens?

Mason: Just like the occasional, hey, really?

George: Jess just wants people to slide into her DMs.

Mason: Actually, if you could just, yeah, start directing people there, that'd be great.

Josh: So what is your, have you thought about going public with your Instagram?

Mason: Going public? No, I don't know. I don't know. Do you want me to see everything?

Tommy: Yeah, you can change it to a business profile. You want everyone seeing everything? I'm talking about my Instagram inbox. Let alone just your feed.

Josh: And so this is the thing I'm saying, that put aside the DMs for a second. Jess needs to approve people to follow based on being a private account.

Tommy: She likes to understand what's happening.

Josh: And she asked me every single time. She's asking if 3D Deal started following her. And so she's like, hey, is this 3D Deal? I said yes. But what this process is—

Jess: Oh, you got a bloke this morning as well.

Mason: Yeah, I've had one every day this week.

Josh: A bloke.

Mason: Big time. Get our own show, George. Get out of here.

Josh: This is great. And so, what do you like about it?

Tommy: Tully told us yesterday that there's been a lot of blokes after, you know, listening to our episode with Tully that have been messaging her.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: What's it achieved? Connections to us.

George: And so, really.

Josh: I think that you've become a part of the cheerleader effect. Do you know about the cheerleader effect?

Tommy: Is it like the McDonald's effect?

Mason: Or is that just another thing that you've made up?

Josh: No, no, no. So, the cheerleader effect is that people in groups tend to be more attractive, like they are deemed more attractive. So, by being on an ensemble cast, you're going to get more people following based on being in the group. Does that make sense?

Mason: I mean, we broadcast to heaps of people and—

Josh: That could be it, too. But do you know what I mean?

Tommy: How often do you— Do you think it's like if we're really to look at cheerleaders?

Josh: Well, yeah, I think maybe it's maybe a bit misogynistic because the idea is that I remember hearing when I was at a basketball game, someone telling me about the cheerleader effect, which is like, as a whole, they're all extremely attractive.

Tommy: Well, I think it's even the average.

Josh: But then, but you actually, when you see them as individuals, they're not necessarily as attractive. And so, the point being that if you go out to the club, if you're going to a club, you should go with a group.

Tommy: Hang on, no, I think it's a dad, the cheerleader one. So let's unpack it because cheerleaders, I know you said misogynistic, but it's like the quintessential cheerleader is a girl in a short skirt with probably blonde hair.

Josh: No, but there's always brunettes.

Tommy: Maybe, maybe. But like, so you're thinking about, so what is the version? What's the podcasters? No one would ever say it's the podcasters effect. You know, you're looking hot. I don't— I think it's like podcasters would be more like don't want to come out of their house.

Josh: So you don't think we're— we're not the pod— we're not— yeah, yeah, a couple of cheerleaders.

Tommy: We definitely—

Josh: that's so rude because he doesn't have a neckbeard. I mean, fuck. And I had to— I'm doing that because I'm a good boyfriend, because Bri had really done a good job on the the sink because there was some fucking drainage issues.

Tommy: So was Amy, because I still do it.

Josh: Yeah, no, so I was being polite.

Tommy: No, but no, I think I know what you mean. But then, but what's another group of individuals that when together it's more attractive?

Josh: Firefighters.

Tommy: True. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, don't you think?

Tommy: I guess you—

Josh: Wasn't it GB? Was it your mum?

George: Yeah, mum loves firefighters.

Mason: She tells us she has a calendar.

George: Yeah, she had the calendar. Always had the calendars. But she used to work in this practice, and one time a firefighter walked in and she started getting all like, oh, shit, here we go.

Josh: And she— What's going to happen?

George: She was talking to him for ages. Then he left and she realised that she had—

Tommy: She set a fire.

George: She'd had a cappuccino, so she had like a cappuccino mark across the top lip and she was embarrassed. But she loves firefighters.

Josh: What about— Because I was in the media department of the fire department. When you were a firey. Yeah. So, I mean, does that get me any points?

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: No, but you probably took the photo for the COVID No, no, no, no, no.

Josh: I'd have to wear the uniform.

Mason: It's the uniform.

George: Girls love the uniform. And the rig.

Josh: And the rig.

Mason: Yeah, sure. If you can't climb up a pole or down a pole or whatever.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Well, I don't know how common the poles are now. They started to discontinue them based on safety.

Tommy: When I was in Los Angeles, we walked into—

Josh: It's true. It's a fun fact.

Tommy: We walked into a Like the American firefighters seem, maybe it's just when you're in America and I was—

Josh: The sirens are great.

Tommy: But they're more old school, like the vibe of the fire stations in the States. Actually, in saying that, a lot of the old fire stations in Victoria, there's some old ones. Across the road from our studio, old fire station. Did you know that, Josh?

Josh: Yeah. Now fucking people just shoot up.

Tommy: The arches of it where you would drive the truck in, you couldn't even fit A fucking mini mokke.

Josh: Ridiculous.

Jess: What's a mini mokke?

Mason: Yeah, I have no idea.

Tommy: God. Yeah, the guy from Byron knows for sure.

Josh: What's a mini mokke?

George: Magnetic Island. Drive around them all the time.

Tommy: They're just like a, uh, oh, like a car with no windows.

Mason: Buggy. It looks like a buggy.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, but it's not a golf buggy. It's like a legit car but just looks like a mini mokke.

Jess: It's a car without doors and it's got a roll cage.

Tommy: Yeah, and it's just sometimes, no, depends, no doors. You don't need a roll cage.

Josh: They've really annoyed me with the lighting you've done today. Jess is completely blown out.

Mason: I'll show you how to fix it.

Josh: Hang on. You keep talking. I'm just fixing it. Okay, great.

Tommy: But just back to the DM stuff. What about text messages then? Would you be okay with somebody having your text messages? Like access at just when they please, they could be in bed scrolling, going back to, you know, 2012.

George: Nah, nah. I mean, you don't want that.

Mason: So personal.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, what's the difference between that?

George: No, I'm on your side.

Mason: 100% on your side.

George: I wouldn't be.

Tommy: Okay.

Jess: Yeah, you probably— yeah, I wouldn't want. There's nothing to hide, but I probably wouldn't want it either.

Tommy: Uh, Seb, I thought it was very cute when I saw your phone yesterday. The screen lit up and, uh, and I've been replaced. I used to be on there and now Grace is there.

Josh: You used to be? Oh, really?

Tommy: Joking, I'm joking.

Josh: I wasn't there.

Jess: Grace is on there. Yeah, hang on, here we go.

Tommy: He's upgraded the—

Jess: there you go.

Tommy: What was it before? What did you have before?

Jess: Uh, I had Abby on there, my dog, and, um, now it's That's great.

George: That's a nice photo.

Tommy: I remember that phase in a relationship. It seems pretty quick, but you've gone very fast.

Josh: What do you mean? You're saying like it goes away?

Tommy: The phase went before it became just like updating stuff. The phase of like, oh, I'm gonna find the perfect—

Josh: and then you're like, what's your background?

Tommy: Leave it there. Mine's my family. It's from last Christmas. I need to get— I need—

Josh: which one?

Tommy: I need a family. Yeah, yeah, this is, um, this is, uh, Sheryl, but she's on the phone.

Josh: Yeah, but they're in New South Wales.

Tommy: So, this is the Christmas snap of Bodhi, Amy and I. But I remember it clearly. So, George, what about you with Hannah? You've got your cat.

George: I've got my cat at the moment. Just a real close-up photo of him. Looks like a lion.

Josh: It's a bit scary. It's very cute.

Tommy: It's very cute. Why not Hannah?

George: I've had her many times, but. I don't know. Yeah, maybe I should. It's just nice to open up and see your cat there.

Tommy: Oh, she's got open screen. Cat's got lock screen. What have you got, Jess?

Mason: I've got my grandparents that you can't see.

George: She's got about 10,000 notifications.

Jess: Yeah, a lot of notifications.

Mason: I used to be against photos on my phone.

Jess: What do you put?

Tommy: What do you mean?

Mason: I just used to like having a blank thing or like one of the wallpapers from iPhone.

Josh: Do you think you're a negative person, Jess?

George: This won't do well on our Roaries.

Tommy: You heard of the cheerleader effect?

Josh: We know which cheerleader you're talking about. What are you?

Mason: I feel like I'm— No, I force myself to be a positive person, but I see the negative instantly, I think.

Josh: You're a positive person who goes negative.

Mason: I think negatively, but then I turn myself around.

Tommy: What's the opposite of an optimist?

George: Pessimist.

Tommy: Are you a pessimist?

Mason: No, certain areas in my life I feel like I pick holes at things, but then Generally in my everyday life outside of work, I feel like I'm positive.

Josh: Okay, I think you're pretty optimistic.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't felt like—

Jess: Good vibe.

Tommy: Negative.

Jess: Positive vibe.

Mason: Thank you. I feel like every time I come on the show, it's just, you know, where does Jess fit? What is Jess?

Josh: Oh my God, we're just getting too positive. It's not good.

Mason: No, this is great.

Tommy: We're, um—

Mason: Do you think I'm negative, Josh?

Josh: Well, you've said to— You did say to me that you, um, tend to poke holes.

Mason: I also think though I was Maybe I was trained that way.

Josh: Who by?

Mason: By my degree or line of work, because you have to foresee the flaws or the issues that could happen.

Josh: I get that.

Mason: And so you have to plan for it and mitigate, which is— I feel like that's why I am the way I am.

Josh: Yeah, no, I think it's great. Like, it's, um, because— but now that it's been prefaced, I'm waiting for— like, I'm a bit fucking I've got a rebuttal for everything. Do you feel that's the case?

George: Yes.

Tommy: But that is— I know that about you.

Josh: No, you don't. Don't tell me what you know.

Tommy: And do you think he can drop the rebuttal?

Josh: Can you be a bit more positive? Can you be positive? Is this question to me, TJ?

Tommy: I guess. Okay. So, yeah, I'm just trying to work out the benefit of having a rebuttal to everything. And I can probably see the benefit in that you're trying to give context as to why you've done something previously or why you did it like that.

Josh: Well, no, I don't think I'm defensive. I think that I like— I didn't say that. But I think sometimes I'll be like, oh, I understand what you're saying.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And I would think the exact same if I didn't have the full information. No, any feedback on how I operate? Any— You know, I've just given you a pen.

Mason: Yes, thank you for that. That's like, um, what is that syndrome called where you're— it's like, um, you're giving me something so that like later on you can be like, oh yeah, sure, a bit of leverage. Yeah, leverage.

Josh: Yeah, it's the weirdest.

Jess: JJ loves leverage.

Josh: I mean, this has leverage written all over it, this pen.

Mason: Um, no, I think you're— you are always two steps ahead and I will catch you.

Josh: That's scary.

Mason: Great.

George: Um, what does that What do you mean?

Josh: Well, like, I do walk fast. That is very true.

Tommy: How are you catching?

Josh: How are you going to catch me?

Mason: I just feel like once I get up to speed on everything, I'll be right there.

Josh: I'm not two steps ahead with my email, though.

Mason: No, but I think you just, you, because you think things so far through and you think of every option or thing about, like, you know everything about a subject.

Josh: So I'm a know-it-all.

Mason: No, but I think you think things through before you broach them to people as well. That's how you're two steps ahead.

Tommy: I see what you mean. Because then that could equal the rebuttal.

Josh: I like that.

Tommy: This is that I've thought about this. So, whatever you say to me, I've thought about it.

Mason: I've thought about it.

Tommy: That's exactly it. That is spot on. Yeah, that's well said. What do you got?

Josh: I mean, you've got—

Tommy: I don't think it's negative at all.

Mason: No, it's really admirable. I wish I could. Thank you. I wish I could be that way. I feel like it's a learned skill.

Josh: I wish I could do all the things you do.

Tommy: Is it painful for you, Josh? I could imagine when Someone's telling you a story, you're like, I get it. I got it. I don't need to hear any more of this.

Josh: No, I reckon.

Tommy: Like, I know the punchline.

Josh: I don't know. Do you think I do that?

Tommy: Oh, sometimes. But it's like, and that's just pointing out the thinking so quick. It's like you've already thought through all this. I think that where this is going.

Josh: I think like Michael Bungay Stanier, like with all the stuff around listening, I probably don't interrupt as much as I used to.

Jess: You do hold your tongue a little bit. Like you don't, you do listen through.

Josh: Yeah. Is holding your tongue nicer than biting your tongue?

Tommy: You don't want to bite your tongue.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: It hurts.

Tommy: And you don't want to touch your tongue. You don't want to actually physically hold it.

Josh: Do you know, Jess, you were going to go to a tarot card reader in Bendigo.

Tommy: Oh, really? Is there a Bendigo peep that is well known that you—

Mason: She's pretty good. I've been to her a few times.

Tommy: There's always one in a little town.

George: You got to go to one.

Josh: Is it the Is it the brand of card that she uses what makes her good?

Mason: It's more so just the things that she says. You're like, oh, because obviously a lot of like, I'm still skeptical, sceptical about that stuff.

Josh: Fuck, she's fallen into my trap.

Tommy: You said it.

Jess: Nailed it.

Josh: Thank you. But just don't swallow your L's.

Mason: I do.

Jess: That's the issue.

Mason: I went to a speech pathologist. Now I can't speak because of this.

Josh: Speech pathologist.

Mason: When I was little.

Josh: Really? For swallowing your L's?

Mason: Owls. I just couldn't speak. Really? I couldn't say bees.

Josh: So what would you say?

Mason: Like, if it was bird, it would be dird.

Josh: Cute.

Tommy: Yeah. How old were you?

Mason: I was young, but still, like, it was just before school.

Tommy: I think it's still very young. I mean, I just—

Josh: That's very cute.

Tommy: I use Bodhi's mispronounced words, like, back to him because I think they're just adorable, but it's probably not the way to go. Probably have to tell them the real way.

Josh: And so this, this Tarot card reader.

Mason: She just, um, knows things or says things that you're like, oh my God, that has happened. Or if it does happen, is it because it's a small town?

Jess: No, there's everyone.

Mason: Yeah, I didn't know her.

Tommy: So you've been before?

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Can you give us an example that's not too personal?

Mason: Um, she said that I would go into— and I know we're not going into business together, but she said that I would go into business with 2 guys.

Josh: Oh, really?

George: Wow.

Mason: Yeah. But she said one guy.

Tommy: I like this woman.

Jess: Do you write them down somewhere?

Mason: I did.

Tommy: Here we go.

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: Do you think this is recent?

Mason: There's also some really, there's some stuff as well.

Josh: You can use your mic the whole time.

Tommy: How much do we pay her? How much do we pay that lady? So is this recent, Jess, or is this?

Mason: No. So I went, so she said that I would leave that job. So that's one thing that came true.

Josh: Do you reckon you sort of just got in the back of your mind, so you're leaning towards these things?

Mason: So like, I think so.

Josh: Of course you want, you, you want, um, you want how much you want to pay?

Mason: Okay, it's $100 a session.

Tommy: Okay, let's just get through it.

Mason: Let's, without, hang on, let me, you guys chat for a second.

Jess: Into the mic, into the mic.

Mason: Sorry, you guys chat for a second and I'll find out.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: You know, how's your day been? Mason, we're taking over here, mate.

Josh: Seriously, how's your day been?

Tommy: Yeah, good, mate. Um, off to a good start.

Josh: Got up at 5:15, did some work, punched out a few, got a few Asana notifications.

Tommy: Yeah, you got some Asana stuff going. You still set your Asana notifications? Yeah, because I actually tag you in anything I got.

Josh: When, when something that I'm in got moved, like gets moved, I get notified.

Tommy: Got the finger on the pulse.

Josh: Yeah, you've got to see two steps ahead.

Tommy: It's like, where is he? Let me look at his inbox. Fuck, I don't have access.

Josh: I feel like Georgie Boy wants to push back on the two steps ahead stuff.

George: No, I completely agree. I think we are two steps ahead.

Mason: Sorry, and one more thing about you, Josh.

Josh: Yes, is this about my stories?

Mason: No, I enjoy your stories.

Josh: Thank you.

Mason: Just so everyone's aware, he talks quite a lot in depth about inner story.

Josh: Yeah, don't start me.

Mason: You can easily dissect people, I think, and or like if they— if you can dissect their actions and then, um, tell them why. Yeah, we'll tell them why they're feeling that way or why they're doing that.

Tommy: Did you say you're more like Michael Bungay Stanier?

Josh: That sounds like a false start. Tarot card. I could get into the tarot card game. You could. Full of shit. No, this is legit though. So go on, what did the tarot card reader say?

Tommy: So safe space.

George: Is it though?

Josh: As long as you use the mic.

Jess: Yeah.

Mason: So one teaches me how to communicate and the other I have more fun with.

Josh: Oh, this is real. She sounds like a real asshole.

Jess: Are they two different locations?

Josh: No, as it—

Tommy: no, so hang on. So she's saying that with this business— This is a great snippet. So you went to a tarot card reader and she said to you that you could go into business with two guys, which you're now a big media company run by two guys.

Mason: So I thought it was going to be my friend who I'm catching up with tonight because we're always bouncing ideas off each other.

Tommy: Guy?

Mason: A guy. Yeah. Just a guy though.

Josh: So he would need to find a business partner that's a guy for the next week.

Tommy: I mean, but that, that all that Stuff is ambiguous, I suppose.

Mason: It's kind of just like she's, I see these two people, so it might be, yeah. So me saying I'm going to go into business with you guys is generalizing, I suppose, a little bit.

Tommy: But then she's gone into some finer details. One's the fun guy and one is comms guy.

Mason: Helps me communicate. And I also find it funny because now we're on a podcast. Well, I'm on a podcast.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: And I've always thought I can't communicate well.

Josh: I'm on a podcast. This is my podcast.

Mason: Guys, we've got another announcement happening.

Tommy: So, okay. So that's, I mean, there's two things.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: What else? What other dots is she connecting?

Mason: Um, there's a few family things, which I'll tell you about after the show. And, um, my love life, which hasn't come true.

Tommy: Um, well, do you want to put it out there?

Josh: Has it got something to do with DMs?

Tommy: Because the power of a podcast is more than a tarot card reader.

Josh: So this is what do you want Okay, so just tell us what you want and we'll make it. We can ship it from WA.

Mason: He needs to have tattoos.

Tommy: He needs tattoos.

Josh: This is funny. He needs tats.

Mason: He needs tats.

Tommy: He needs tats.

Josh: Maybe I will have to. Yeah.

Tommy: Um, what sort of vibe?

Mason: Um, like more like grungy. I didn't know you liked tats.

Tommy: She knew Hadn't Did before us.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And we're not, we're not selecting people at this point. We're just, we're getting—

Tommy: if it hasn't come true, we're listening to you.

George: Oh yeah, fair enough. So George does not know how to play Play cool.

Tommy: Okay, so bring out option 1 male through the door.

Josh: So, keep going. So, tattoos, grungy. Yeah.

Mason: Think along the lines of, you remember yesterday's conversation when Tommy threw me under the bus there?

Josh: Oh, yeah, sure. That was what's his name from Big Brother? Drew.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. I told Tully that Jess liked her ex-boyfriend.

Josh: So, sort of a pretty guy with tattoos.

Mason: And they have to have a beard.

Tommy: Have to?

George: Yeah.

Jess: Okay.

Mason: Oh, like a bit of stubble. They can't be clean cut. Essentially not someone in a suit.

Josh: That vibe.

Tommy: And I'm sorry to anyone who's anti-suit.

Josh: So, like a Blink— What about Travis from Blink-182?

Tommy: No, he's pathetic. He's rich, but pathetic.

Josh: He actually was in a plane crash.

George: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And?

Mason: He can't fly anymore. He won't fly outside the States. Isn't that right?

Tommy: He's one of the best drummers in the world.

Jess: Wow.

Tommy: I love his drumming. But in terms of like, I don't think that—

George: How many other drummers do you know?

Josh: What about those, the twins?

Tommy: Which ones are they, the twins?

Josh: The Fall Out Boys.

Mason: Oh, yeah. No. Okay. Do you want to know what my ideal guy is? Okay.

Josh: Yeah. Well, why don't we start there?

Mason: Well, yeah. Charlie Hunnam, who we were talking about the other day and like Johnny Depp kind of vibe.

Josh: I actually feel bad for Johnny Depp. It seems like he got a bad— Remember, we thought that he was a real abusive fuck.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: There's a bunch of court stuff that's happening at the moment. Maybe that was the other way. So, Johnny Depp. Yeah. Pirates of the Caribbean, Johnny Depp, or—

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Do you want a pirate?

Mason: I don't know if I necessarily like the eyeliner.

Josh: Do you like birds? Like parrots?

Mason: Oh, right.

Tommy: She doesn't want to do a pirate. She likes Johnny Depp. As a person.

Mason: Yeah, the person, not the pirate vibe.

Josh: Okay. So, interesting. So, any sort of—

George: What about like a Brooklyn Beckham him or a—

Mason: Yeah, he's all right.

Tommy: What about—

Mason: He's a bit pretty.

Tommy: And so say if said bearded sleeved bloke drops into our DM, the Daily Talk Show.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: You, are you up for dating? You're up for—

Josh: I think we need more details on their personality.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: No, I think that's fine for the moment.

Josh: No, I want some personality.

Tommy: Seb's found grace by saying he wanted a blonde.

Josh: So I don't know if that was I don't know if that was the reason because what I'm saying is, Grace is a gem. I've never said brunette more in my life.

Jess: I know.

Josh: Is Grace, is brunette a thing? It feels a bit sleazy.

Tommy: Grace is an absolute gem. And what I'm saying is, don't worry too much about it.

Josh: Could be a cheerleader because cheerleaders are blonde and brunette.

Tommy: And so what are you up for? Just sort of dating? Because that is the thing, Josh, you haven't dated in a long time, nor have I, but Some people are like, I don't want to date. I'm not there. Like, I don't want to. Sev didn't do it for 19 years. Didn't want to date or hadn't gone there. So you got to be open.

Josh: I think let's just lead with personality because tats, we can get tats.

Tommy: But are you open to date? Are you open to date, Jess?

Mason: Yeah, I'll go on a date.

Josh: And so personality-wise, what do you want?

Mason: I think, oh, I'm not sure. I need intellectual conversation.

Josh: Do you like—

Mason: And I need someone to be funny.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah, they have to be manly.

Josh: So, potentially like a trade, you want them like a... Yeah, trades are alright. Sparky.

Mason: Yeah, sparky, chippy.

Josh: Chippy. So, you want the whole house.

Mason: And if they could have an Irish accent, that would be great.

Josh: An Irish? So, what about the guy from P.S. I Love You? Who's he?

Mason: Yeah, he's great. Gerard Butler.

Tommy: Gerard.

Jess: He is great.

Mason: Is that who you're talking about?

Josh: I'm guessing so.

Jess: Gerard Butler.

Josh: He was in that film.

Mason: You only watch 2 movies a year, so we don't know.

Tommy: Doesn't have a tat.

Jess: White House Down's a great movie.

Josh: I reckon he would have tats, actually.

Mason: Yeah.

Jess: Oh, he might.

Mason: Yeah.

George: Okay.

Jess: He did that movie Bounty Hunter.

Josh: What sort of tats? Like, could they be, if anything? I guess like tats of ex-girlfriends, not ideal.

Mason: Yeah, no. No, that, because that's quite personal. So, I feel like I'll leave that up to them.

Tommy: And in terms of track record, because you're talking about the ideal guy, but then you can be with people that aren't your ideal person. With the past partners you've had, that guy or the opposite or nowhere near?

Mason: Two of them were, and then there was just a couple of randoms in there in between that didn't really fit the mould.

Tommy: A couple of pathetic blokes.

Josh: Do you reckon you end up with your type though?

Tommy: Like, that's what I'm trying to work out because it's like you can say you like, you know, someone with blonde hair, you know, sporty, then you find somebody who's Couch worm.

Josh: Couch potato. Couch worm. Couch worm.

Tommy: It's a special breed. But yeah, I don't know, you just like, if you love somebody for who they are, regardless of look or whatever, personality, like you just love them. And so it can go beyond that. That's why Mason, you know, he's made a lot of—

Josh: How's it all going, by the way?

Jess: It's great. I'm loving it.

Josh: What's happening? I'm loving it.

Jess: By Mackis. Yeah, the whole segment.

Tommy: Forced to suffer it.

Josh: Yeah. And, um, how's Grace going? So Grace will be living at your place for the next 6 weeks?

Jess: Yeah, in lockdown.

Tommy: Yeah, fuck, I thought about that. She can't even get home if she wanted to, right?

Jess: No, no, she can't get home.

Tommy: She's lucky we like each other.

Josh: Any tears last night with the lockdown?

Jess: I mean, it's a little bit stressful. I mean, she's— she had, uh, one of her best mates come over yesterday, and yeah, just not being able to see her or go over for dinner or have drinks or whatever. That's slightly—

Tommy: It is full on, dude. It is full on. Like, you can't, um, you can't just—

Josh: No olive bread.

Tommy: They're not olive bread. No. When you're not in your, you know, home.

Jess: Oh yeah.

Tommy: It's all your close mates. It's, um, it's a tough one. So look after it.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: So what are we gonna do? Um, like, what are the bits and pieces being back in ISO? What it like? Oh, Bree and I ordered ice cream last night.

Tommy: George, you have to walk to work every day.

George: Yeah, I'm going to get a mask too. Are you?

Tommy: Yeah, cool.

Jess: I think we might have some at home potentially. I'll let you know.

George: Can I tell a quick COVID storey before we—

Josh: Yeah, sure.

George: This will be the most unbelievable storey you've heard.

Tommy: As long as Josh can tell an Uber Eats story.

Josh: Is it your story?

George: No, it happened at a friend of a friend, Hannah's workplace, which is an aged care home. Won't say which one. Yeah. So, yesterday a guy came in, a religious guy who, you know, was doing this like I don't know what they call him, like a pastor or something like that. He was his own, had his own religion. He was trying to cure everyone or whatever.

Tommy: He had his own religion.

George: I don't know.

Josh: He was, he was just a religious guy. He could have been Catholic for all we know. He's a religious guy.

Tommy: Yeah.

George: He came into the aged care home. He went into someone's room who was isolating because there was a scare that she had COVID. So, she had to, you know, these are old people, right. Gave her a sip of this, like, spoon with some water on it.

Mason: Oh my God.

George: So, you know, did that, got up in her face, have a sip of this. Then he went around to all the other oldies with the same spoon and was basically saying, here, have some of this, have some of this. So, they're all touching their lips on this spoon, moving it around the aged care home.

Jess: This is huge.

Tommy: That's like, what, jail time? Have they not locked that down?

George: Oh, they got rid of him, but I don't know how he got in there.

Josh: That's a fucked up story. Did you ask Hannah if you could tell that story?

George: Yeah, I did.

Tommy: No one asked him to come.

George: I think he just basically came in and said, I'm here to cure everyone or whatever.

Tommy: Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. Come through room 1 first.

George: Something happened where he shouldn't have been in there.

Tommy: I think these kinds of people can get through based on you just think it's like—

George: Yeah, you just think it's like someone who's—

Tommy: Pastors might come in to do something with somebody, just chat to them.

Josh: That's fucked up. You see the system, like, um, the other day before it hit the media, not to brag, but I heard about the security guard fucking one of the COVID people before it came out. And my mate said, like, fucking don't say anything. I'm glad someone else— like, I was like fucking itching. I'm like, this is outrageous.

Tommy: Where did they hear from? Do you know? Like, who's that?

Josh: Yeah, they were like high up at a hotel or whatever. Fucked up stuff.

Tommy: Oh, dude. I mean, all it takes is one and then you paint the picture.

Jess: Yeah, it's not good.

Tommy: COVID and someone sleeping, like a security guard. Like, it's a weird— I went over that in my mind a bunch and I was like, why is it so sort of explosive in your mind? Because you think about the lockdown security and then you're trying to role-play the situation of a security guard.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: How do they even start conversing to the point where they're like, let's have this?

Josh: And then, well, because there's so many people together, there's the cheerleader effect.

Tommy: Jesus Christ. That's full-on, dude.

George: Yeah, it's not good.

Tommy: And so surely there's an investigation into that.

George: I think they, yeah, I think they either called the police or that, you know, something happened. Somehow it slipped through.

Tommy: There's cameras and there's—

George: So it's like if that old lady ends up having COVID, they're all dead.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: That was a good story, Jack.

Tommy: But great way to finish. If you're looking to date, Jess is looking for a tattered Yeah.

Josh: Builder.

Mason: He's funny and has an Irish accent.

George: Yeah.

Josh: I'm kidding everyone.

Tommy: I'm not that.

Josh: No, no, no. That's why I want to go, no, because that was the criticism when we had, when We Are Sevs.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It's the trap that I feel like everyone always ends up regretting is you go too hard on the type.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then there's all this explaining to do on the other side.

Tommy: Absolutely. It is the trap question. What's your type? But when—

Josh: Do you have a type?

Tommy: Yeah. Her name's Amy.

Josh: I've learnt, baby.

Tommy: But no, yeah, I do.

Josh: Okay. All right. Anything else that you wanted to add, Jess?

Tommy: Rich.

Mason: Yeah. If they can have a little— No, I'm kidding.

Tommy: Well, it's off the table dating for 6 weeks, but I'd love to get you on a Zoom date. Would you be open to that?

Mason: I'm just not very good at like—

Josh: Were you looking at your watch? What are you looking at?

George: Yeah.

Mason: I just keep getting messages.

Jess: Sorry, Michele.

Josh: Who from? DMs?

Mason: Sorry, it wasn't even a message. It was a time to stand.

Josh: A time to stand. I get it.

Tommy: So you don't think you're good at what?

Mason: Opening up to people the first time I meet them. So I'm probably really bad at dates. Like, I'm more of a, like, a surprise and delight. Like, I come, I come out.

Jess: That's right, a Kinder Surprise.

Mason: I do.

Jess: It's a real Kinder Surprise. No, that's great.

Mason: You've got to crack the shell before you get the true me.

Tommy: Well, maybe you could start with some, um, what's Josh Jansen's dating questions?

Jess: 100 questions. Yeah, you could finish those off.

Mason: You could jump into my DMs and just see what's there. As in that you could be in mine.

George: Yeah.

Mason: And you could help me understand.

Josh: Yeah, I think that there's definitely. But the thing is that. What's funny, Seb?

Jess: You would definitely be the guy to do that. Just like you're the one just replying to everyone.

Josh: Well, that's the hard thing. Like, there is something a bit fucked up with just like all these guys thinking that it's just super charismatic from the get-go. But it's me.

Tommy: Jess, then I'm like, great, you be you.

Josh: But she's not great at the front, as she said. Like, she needs to.

Mason: I'm alright on text, but then it's the talking.

Josh: What do you think the talking— what is it about the talking?

Mason: I don't know. I just feel like you just need to crack the shell and you need to open up.

Josh: Can we just get rid of the shell? How do we crack the shell before?

Jess: I reckon that's great. The other person, I think that's intriguing, isn't it?

Mason: I feel like I overcompensate though when they're not talking or they're not interested or whatever it is.

Josh: They're thinking about their next tattoo. That's why, isn't it?

Mason: So, the next date, or— Yeah.

Josh: And so, now this is interesting. Uh, yeah, I wonder how much of that is— So, you, you feel like, um, you feel like you shut off when they're not listening?

Mason: Um, well, you know that I'm not the most open in my— with my personal life in terms of my Instagram's private. Like, you know, we've had—

Tommy: You've got security guards.

Mason: Conversations that I don't want to Yeah. Enter into it.

Josh: And I get that. So, if you imagine it's like the Instagram account is the shell and then inside the shell is photos of you dressed up as a hot dog.

George: Yeah.

Josh: Which is your Instagram.

Mason: And that's the true me.

Josh: So, why don't we just lead? So, why don't we lead with the hot dog?

Jess: Thank you, DP.

Mason: I'm like stuck here.

Josh: No. Do you think? Yeah. Do you think there is something in maybe trying to lead with the hot dog rather than trying to You know, knock down that shell.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Is that what it is? Are you trying to be cool?

Mason: Maybe trying to be normal.

Josh: It's probably what it is. Oh, yeah. Fuck being normal. What do you think, TJ? You're normal. What do you think?

Tommy: So I thought it could have been a metaphor, the whole hot dog thing. But here is Jess dressed as a hot dog.

Josh: No, definitely.

Tommy: That's access to her private account.

Mason: I have so many.

Tommy: It's the thing. Just do it. Get dating. This is how you get through it.

Josh: Yeah, we can put a few questions.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: And so, yeah, the questions, do a Zoom date. It'd be great.

Mason: Okay. But maybe you guys could like be there. Yeah.

Josh: Okay. Here's a free question to get started. So, I think that you need to do stuff that's specific to the type of guy you want. Okay. So, you had to get a tattoo right now, what would you get?

George: Okay.

Josh: There's that one.

Tommy: Yeah, good one.

Josh: Or favourite tool in the tool belt. Hang on, but you would you get a set of— I don't have tools. You're out.

Tommy: What about dress-up question? What's the funniest dress-up?

Mason: Yeah, I don't want to go find someone in a dress-up shop.

Josh: Yeah, that's a bit quirky, isn't it?

Mason: Well, and I'm sorry that you need to go, Tommy, don't you?

Josh: Oh, yeah.

Jess: When's your walk, by the way?

Josh: I'm now doing a talk. What's it called? A talk walk. Yeah, I'm just on the phone instead. Go on, Jess.

Mason: I was going to say that I did some woodworking last year, and I thought that that would be a good opportunity to find someone, but no.

Josh: What, so you went to like a TAFE or something?

Mason: And yeah, it was a course. Did you see that photo I sent you the other night of my TV? What I'm sitting on? I made that.

George: Really?

Josh: Yeah, like a TV unit.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Wow, that's cool.

Mason: And so, and I just—

Josh: Oh, who did you learn? Who'd you meet?

Mason: I did it for myself. I did it because I wanted to do woodworking, not to meet someone, just so everyone is clear on that. Um, but, um, I met my instructor. I don't know, he was a— he's a tutor and he's an amazing woodworker and he's old. Exactly. Not—

Josh: and so was it just— so was it one-on-one then?

Mason: Uh, no, there was a group of us.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Yeah, so the two guys that own it, they, um started a co-working space for woodworking specifically, and they have all of this equipment there, and then they run courses.

Josh: That's cool. And so, did you get to pick what to make?

Mason: Yeah. So, everyone chooses and designs their own item. So, some people made beds, others made— like, I made a chest of drawers. Someone else made just a workbench.

Josh: What would have been something you could have made that would have communicated that you were open for a relationship? Like, I wonder if there's something. So, like, a bed is obviously very sort of presumptuous. Yes, sturdy beds.

Tommy: A door and just have it open.

Josh: Or yeah, maybe it's, um, yeah, maybe you could have done a collab. You could have worked with someone else on it.

Tommy: If there's no one there, there's no one there.

Mason: Yeah, because they're all people that are amateurs that don't know what they're doing.

Josh: That's a problem.

Jess: You want a pro.

Mason: You need the pro. Yeah. And my tutor was very design-focused and he I think he's been in the industry for so long, like he also has a partner. Okay.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Mason: No tattoos.

Josh: That's tricky.

Jess: That's annoying.

Tommy: Yeah. All right.

Josh: Maybe you can get some more updates.

Tommy: It's fun though, isn't it?

Josh: I reckon it's a fun time. Like there's so many different options.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: But if your business is going under, sorry about that. Because that's shit house.

Josh: What do you mean? Oh, as in time?

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: You're saying it's a fun time.

Josh: It's a fun time for Jazz.

Tommy: Yeah. But I'm just saying other people out there. Not so fun.

Josh: Yes, if you get COVID and die, that's really bad too, isn't it? Fucking— if you kissed a spoon from a—

Mason: A lot of highs and lows in this episode.

George: Yeah, sorry about that. Sorry.

Josh: No, that's all good. All right, uh, it's a daily talk show. Stay safe. Yeah, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.

Mason: Bye.