Bree Tomasel On Anxiety & Happiness In Radio

Bree: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 783, coming to us from NZ, Bree Thomasell.

Tommy: How are you?

Josh: Welcome, welcome, boys.

Bree: Hello, lads. I'm glad it only took 783, uh, episodes to get the call up, but I'm glad to be here.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. And I'm glad it only took, uh, 50 minutes of troubleshooting to get you, uh, your microphone working.

Josh: Yeah, we sent a guy with a cable who went across the ocean to connect it, uh, directly. We're glad it's working.

Bree: No, I'm so glad we are able to connect across the ditch. Good to be here.

Tommy: How are you? How's it, um, how's, uh, COVID life in NZ? I mean, it's not really much going on over there, is it?

Bree: Yeah, I mean, you know, I feel like things here are quite different compared to the rest of the world, um, and I'm— but I mean, we went through a hectic period where it was complete lockdown, um, you couldn't even pat dogs when you went walking. It was like my worst nightmare. And then we kind of put in all this hard work, and I think it was about 7 weeks where we pretty much were in lockdown, and now we kind of come out the other side. There's been a few, like, you know, slip-ups here and there, but nothing too bad. So it's pretty good over here at the moment, to be honest, guys.

Tommy: You're allowed to pet dogs, or is that still a no-no?

Bree: No, you're allowed to pet dogs now, or I just haven't checked the T's and C's, and I've just decided to pet dogs now.

Tommy: You make it sound like a competition, the T's and C's.

Bree: Right. But how are things back home? How are things in Aussie going? Like, what's the latest there? Because I know it's pretty hectic in Victoria.

Josh: Yeah, it's not great. Nah.

Tommy: I mean, Victoria is doing the worst. So, if we're best good at anything, it's doing the worst, being the worst.

Josh: Yeah. So, we— I reckon we were talking about it before, we reckon there probably will be like that second lockdown thing.

Tommy: Oh, I reckon. But isn't it like the classic last 3 months is like the mate next to you saying, mate, I'll tell you what, Thursday it's going to be lockdown.

Josh: Yeah, but then if I'm right, it will look really good.

Tommy: You've been right a few times.

Josh: Yeah, but I just, I mean, are you much of a news junkie? Do you get into like reading up or following all this stuff?

Bree: Oh, I'm a bloody radio nerd. So of course I'm always on the, you know, we would always tune in for the updates that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Ashley Bloomfield would give here. It was like watching sport. Sport. There was no sport to watch, so we would all wait for the update— how many cases today? And when we got that big zero, um, you know, we celebrated like we'd won the State of Origin over here.

Josh: Yeah, and it was premature, wasn't it? Wasn't there a big celebration? It's like, oh fuck, we got one.

Bree: Yeah, so that was a big fuck-up from the government. Uh, two ladies came back into the country and then they said— so they were on compassionate entry because their mum was dying and they had to travel from Auckland to Wellington. And the rules were that they had to go from their quarantine hotel all the way to Wellington without stopping, which is about an 8-hour drive. And anyway, their storey was is that they got lost on the way and stopped in to see some family members to get directions, and then turns out they bloody had the COVID So, you know, they weren't too very— they weren't very popular here in New Zealand, those two ladies.

Tommy: Um, so you, you do the Drive show on ZM. You took over from, uh, our mates Jason PJ. The Drive Time show, you, you do get to touch some of the more lighthearted news. I've heard you doing the, uh, a pig was spotted running around the town. Any, any, any doozies lately, just amongst the, the craziness?

Bree: Um, I think just lots of fart content, uh, coming mainly from my corner. Um, so to speak. No, I like to keep it as light as possible, um, and I think there's a balance, guys, of like doing that really silly stupid stuff but then also doing some, you know, genuine real chats about, you know, things that are happening in the world but not too heavy. So like, I think last week one of my favourite pieces of content we did was we talked about Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith, um, which I mean, I'm not too interested in like in the entertainment world, but that storey about their relationship and how it's a really un— like unconventional type of relationship, or what society sees as like a very unconventional relationship. And we talked about that on the air, and then we got people to call through if they were in, you know, what society deemed an unconventional type of relationship. And it was just so interesting, and I think so important to put that kind of content on the air sometimes where you can open some people's minds and worlds as to, you know, something different, um, which I really enjoy that type of stuff as well.

Tommy: What, what was, what was going on? What's some, uh, insight? Blow our minds, because I've got one from the girls that come through.

Bree: She was in a relationship with, um, two other people. Um, they called themselves a thruple because they were all dating each other at the time, which is different to, I believe, polyamory, which is where you can date multiple people at the same time But you're not all dating each other at the same time, if that makes sense.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, I don't mind that.

Josh: It's not crazy, though, is it? I thought it was going to be something like—

Tommy: But no, but even like, think about that now. Imagine if you had another girlfriend, Josh. And so, there's the you, Bree and Dupree.

Josh: But I guess you— There is like if you watch like a Louis Theroux doco or whatever, there's a lot of that sort of shit.

Tommy: I think it's when you put it onto yourself and say, what would I be comfortable with? Bree, there was one, we got this guy that called through and he said he ended up hooking up with his wife's sister and married her. And then his wife's— Basically did the switcheroony with his brother. His brother was married to his wife's sister. He went with his brother's wife and then his brother went with his wife. And so they just literally swapped out.

Bree: And did they have kids with both? Like, did they mesh all the kids?

Tommy: Didn't get that far.

Josh: I was—

Tommy: blew my mind.

Josh: What was the out?

Tommy: No, I can't remember.

Bree: I enjoyed it. I was going to say, what did you want me to say, Josh? We had a guy call up and he was dating a goat.

Josh: Well, yeah, no, I thought like it did go to sort of pets for some reason. I don't know. That's illegal. Yeah.

Tommy: What's that called? Bestiality.

Josh: Bestiality. Not good.

Tommy: Yeah, that's your own issues you need to deal with, Josh.

Josh: Well, you have an issue with dumplings. Dumplings. You were talking the other day on your show about things that— is it things that you burp up or things that—

Bree: oh God, you really have gone deep.

Tommy: Um, yeah, is that how deep your show is? You've dug to the dumplings.

Josh: You out of it? I thought it was interesting.

Bree: I don't know what it is, but you know how obviously certain types of people— and I find it quite interesting— there's certain types of food that just don't sit well with different people. And dumplings for me is a big no-no, but I just can't stay away from them. And I know that I have to stay away from people then for the next 3 hours.

Josh: I remember hearing somewhere that someone said to me that if you really love a food, you actually potentially have a very small sort of like allergy to it. Or like, no, you don't. Yeah. So, like if you love cheese, potentially. Um, yeah, you shouldn't, you shouldn't have so much.

Bree: Yeah, well, I was gonna say lactose intolerant. Holy shit, but I love some cheese.

Josh: Do you take the lacto tea, like the lactase or whatever it is?

Bree: So I only freaking found out about these things like a year ago.

Josh: You're just having a milkshake and shitting yourself every time.

Bree: Yeah, I like to ride the wave, Josh. That's me.

Josh: I get that. But I was thinking, um, Hungry Jack's. I wanted to bring this up. First of all, in New Zealand, is there Hungry Jack's?

Bree: So, yeah, they have Burger King here, and every time I say Hungry Jack's, I get roasted for it, and everyone's like, it's Burger King. And I'm like, you know what I'm talking about.

Tommy: You've also got Wendy's, side note.

Josh: But, oh yeah, Denny's as well. Have you ever had Denny's?

Bree: I got a staph infection from the first time I went there last week.

Tommy: What were you doing, mate?

Josh: How do you? Is that your food?

Bree: Nah, I'm just kidding. No, I went there. Pretty basic. It's like Sizzler, but you're still back in 1992, I think.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But no, I was going to say Hungry Jack's. I feel like it's one of those things where for days I feel like I'm sweating out the flame-grilled smell makes its way through my entire body.

Bree: That's what it is for you, then.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, Hungry Jack's, definitely.

Tommy: I mean, I've been at a nightclub and burped, and I'd been for a souvlaki, you know, an hour before. The funny thing is no one knew where it came from.

Josh: Did you see everyone going, oh, oh, oh, the smell of when the dishwasher's open, you know, it's fucking disgusting, and you have to try and get away from it. Terrible.

Tommy: Have you ever had a question?

Bree: Would you rather be caught in a burp or would you rather smell someone's fart or someone's burp?

Josh: Burp. Yeah, burp any day of the week.

Tommy: Yeah.

Bree: No, I think I'd rather smell their fart. Like, I'm talking a real rancid burp.

Josh: I think a rancid burp is connected to the food they ate. Like, a fart has to have gone through their whole system.

Tommy: If you're burping and it smells like shi— like actual shit, like a fart can.

Josh: Yeah. You've got real serious gut problems.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No, that's true. Have you ever been told off by a piece of content that was too much for radio?

Bree: All the time. Take your pick. Um, I think I'm constantly pushing the boundary and pushing the line. I'm trying to think of something I've been told off for recently. You know what I did do recently? And I, you know, it was probably— and I hate to bring it back to farts, I swear this will be the last time I talk about farts on this podcast— but I did a piece of content where, uh, it was probably about 8 or 9 months ago, and I'd started dating someone, and I decided that I would record the audio of me farting in front of them for the first time and getting their reaction and playing that out on the air. Because I feel like that's a really relatable kind of moment where it's like you go however many months without doing anything like that. It's like you don't fart or shit at all, and then there has to be a certain point in the relationship where you're like, hey, I'm actually a human being. Anyway, so I thought I'd do that as a piece of content.

Josh: And I mean, I loved it, but I'm just wondering, was your partner okay with it? Or like, what's that? Was your partner okay with it? Like, because I feel like that's the whole thing, we're constantly getting in trouble with our partners for going too far on shit or saying stuff you're not meant to say.

Bree: Yeah, no, I definitely checked it off, uh, first. And, um, I think it's one of those things, especially when I think anyone you're dating, when it's a new relationship and you do this kind of work, it's very hard to kind of grasp at the start. But I think, you know, it's a part that comes with you. And if they really love you, it's kind of a communication thing where you just need to communicate properly and they'll hopefully understand, you know, and you'll know where the line is, where it's too far and, you know, obviously okay. But that can be quite difficult to navigate at times. I agree.

Tommy: Has your, uh, has your mum realised that line? Because you give your mum hell.

Bree: My mum is one of my closest friends, uh, but also such an amazing human being and mother.

Josh: You say also enemies.

Bree: And also, oh God, I hate that woman. Um, she's so great and she, she gets it. And I think it's been, you know, I don't know how many years I've been tormenting her my whole life, but I think I started recording it back in 2016. But she's so great and so supportive. I don't think there's ever been a time where she was like, don't put that anywhere. Like, there's never been a time. She just laughs it off and she thinks it's funny. She also gets recognised and people love her. So I think she kind of loves that now secretly.

Tommy: What's, what's been the biggest difference that you've noticed between the radio industry in New Zealand versus Australia?

Bree: There's no fucking delay here.

Josh: What does that mean?

Bree: You guys know that?

Tommy: What do you mean?

Bree: So, you know, Tommy, you would know that when you work in radio, there's like a 7-second delay if you're working in breakfast or whatever. There's no such thing here. I said, oh, so Yeah, the dump button does not exist. There's no such thing. So if someone says a swear word, just goes to air.

Tommy: That's good. And so is there— I mean, maybe there's different rules, as in the radio rules. What is it, the, you know, you had to sit through those sort of induction sessions mainly because of Kyle Sanderlands? Um, was it— is that that kind of stuff? Like, is there different rules?

Bree: Absolutely. I think— I mean, the last company I worked for in Australia was SCA, so there was a tonne of rules and I mean, they use Kyle as— Kyle and Jackie O as the examples in all of them. You guys would know. Um, so I think here it's a lot more lax. They haven't had, you know, those big obviously things that have happened where they've had to put those kind of rules in place yet. Hopefully never. Um, but yeah, that was really interesting. And I feel like even language here is a little bit more lax, like depending on what time, you know, you can say certain words. I did get a complaint a couple of months ago for saying boner.

Josh: Boner's a great word.

Bree: I agree. I think it's, you know, a classic Kiwi Aussie word. And there was obviously— I caught some woman on a bad day.

Tommy: I mean, there was a—

Josh: a boner can't ruin any bad day.

Tommy: If anything, it should make it better, to be honest. Jesus is one. Yeah, saying Jesus Jesus. Yeah, that's, um, you get a lot of complaints for that. Anything else? Any other—

Bree: yes, complainers. Yeah, or even like, oh my God, you know, saying stuff like that. Or no, well, if we are getting complaints for that, they don't show it to us because obviously they don't care too much.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I like that. And so, um, you know, the radio bubble in Australia is— it's, I mean, if you're sort of in it, it feels like the industry is quite big. Does it feel like the industry is big or bigger in New Zealand?

Bree: Um, I think it definitely feels smaller here. Like, in Australia, there's obviously so many, like, regional and provincial, and you've got all these stations, which I think makes Australian radio such a great industry to work in because you've got so much opportunity. Whereas here in New Zealand, it's kind of like in the future where they've gotten rid of most regional and provincial kind of stations, and it's all based out of Auckland except for a few stations stations that are like the older stations, like the Hits. They still have a few regional markets still going. But yeah, it definitely feels like there's two companies here and we're pretty much battling it out against each other with, you know, all of the sister stations, whatever they've got, we've got a sister station and so on. So yeah, but I mean, it's— it makes it even more competitive, I think.

Josh: Yeah. I feel like you made a name for yourself in Australia with the digital content. How supportive or sort of open to digital content is the New Zealand market?

Bree: I think when I came over here, Josh, I said to Dean Buchanan, who was essentially the reason why I came over, he pretty much was the guy that plucked me out. I said to him, I was like, I want a full-time digital producer for our show. And I asked for a bunch of other things. And I said, our show is going to do digital better than any other show here in New Zealand. That's what I want to do. And we made that happen, and we had an amazing digital producer, Ellie Harwood, who actually just left us. She got snapped up by a YouTube channel team called Viva La Dirt. But we've created a page that, you know, we've— we, we do really well, and I think we are, you know, on top in terms of digital contents for our radio show. And then also for my own stuff, I've got a chance to do quite a lot of different things. I've done 2 TV shows now, which I'm really proud of, um, and I would— don't think I would have ever got that opportunity in, you know, so early in Australia. So I'm really excited that I've had that opportunity to do some TV as well.

Tommy: Celebrity Treasure Island, what is that? Because it's a New Zealand show, right?

Bree: Yeah, so it's a New Zealand— it originally was Treasure Island, and essentially it was where Survivor came from. Um, so the format of Treasure Island was first, and I actually met the woman who I worked with on the show, her name's Julie Christie. It was her baby, and she kind of, you know, wrote it and whatever, and then sold it to, you know, a bunch of different countries who turned it into Survivor. Um, and it's, it's, it's, it's pretty much Survivor, and then they've turned Celebrity Treasure Island is just where they just get a bunch of celebrities to, um, compete against each other instead of, yeah, just normal everyday punters.

Tommy: Where did you film that? Because it looked quite tropic. It looked—

Bree: yeah, it was, uh, it was about nearly 4 weeks we filmed it in Fiji.

Tommy: Oh la la, did you get the buffet? Did you get the all-you-can-eat at night?

Bree: Or, mate, if I wasn't sweating literally so much, I'd swamp ass the whole time we were filming. I would have put on 12 kilos, I reckon.

Josh: Is swamp ass an official term? What is swamp?

Tommy: Imagine it, just— Josh, is it like spitty bum? No, think about it.

Josh: Swamp arse.

Tommy: Just think about it. Hot, sweaty.

Josh: Sure.

Bree: You would have definitely had it.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's got swamp arse now.

Bree: I have it quite often.

Josh: Don't we all?

Tommy: Yeah, Joel.

Josh: No, actually, my girlfriend, Bri, we call it the smell of Dale because when we went on a flight to Phuket in 2011. And we met an Aussie kid. He would have been only 10 years old with his mum, and he smelt like dirty ass because he's just been fucking on the flight, but he was pumped to be in to go to Phuket. And so now, uh, there's only been a couple of times that Bri has said to me, fuck, you smell like Dale, go have a shower. But you know, that's sort of like the biggest slur you can get. Dale would be— fuck, Dale would be, uh, 19, right? I wonder what Dale's doing. Can you imagine?

Bree: He could be He could release his own fragrance, the smell of Dale.

Josh: Dale, yeah, out of Daylesford, you know, there's definitely something there.

Bree: Yeah, it'd be great.

Josh: What do you tell people when people reach out to you and they say, hey, I'm in regional radio, I want to, I've got this dream, I want to be doing what you're doing. What do you tell people in 2020?

Bree: I think don't give up if you really want to do it. I know that's such a generic fucking thing to say, but the people who really want to do it and, and really kind of get there, you'll never give up. And I had multiple people like tell me multiple times, uh, what do you— what are you doing? You should just give up. And I've been doing a weekend show for about 3 years with Daniel Gaunt, and we just never wanted to give up. I was like, I want to see if I can do it, and I believe that I can do it. And, um, I think that would be one thing, um, because obviously if you want to be doing that, you can't give up, so that makes sense. And probably the other thing is just try and think outside the box and do something different that someone else isn't doing. And I know that's so fucking hard these days because everyone has done everything in radio. But yeah, just do something that's quintessentially you, and I think roll with that because that's going to set you apart from everyone else.

Tommy: I mean, it's, it's one of the— it's stars aligning, like they wanted an Aussie for a New Zealand show. Yeah, I mean, you've been grinding for years. How much do you think that your social media had to do with landing this NZ gig?

Bree: I definitely— I think my social media stuff got me noticed, which I think was probably, you know, it's always the hardest hurdle of being like, hey, someone give me an opportunity, I can do this. This like job. I know I can, like I just need someone to give me a platform and a go. And I think, yeah, definitely. I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't give me a leg up. It definitely did. It got me noticed. And I talked to Dean Buchanan one day about this because I said, you know, what, was it my social media that, you know, kind of drew you to me? And he goes, your social media was the thing I noticed first, but I listened to a lot of your radio and that's what made me want to sign you.

Josh: Do you have to care about music?

Bree: I don't think so, but I do. Like, I do. I, I love music. It actually, like, fuels me. I'm— I've always loved it. Um, but I mean, I think everyone has their, you know, their things. And I don't think, like, if someone says you have to be really passionate about music to do a radio drive show, I'd say, well, that's your opinion, and I just don't think so. No.

Tommy: And who are you? Because you're not on radio, so fuck off.

Bree: Yeah, alright.

Josh: How long have you been in the radio industry then? What was your first gig?

Bree: My first gig, well, I wouldn't count the student radio station that I did a show on at UQ, but if you would count that, that would be back in 2010. So, I'd say probably 10 years.

Josh: And did you think, like, I feel like people in radio, they, uh, are comfortable with moving around. Did you ever think that you were going to go overseas?

Bree: Absolutely not. Um, I thought moving to Gosford from Brisbane was a massive move. Um, and then when I got this opportunity and this offer to come here, I It took me 6 months, boys, to make the decision. It was the hardest decision I've ever had to make because I loved the job that I was doing in Gosford with Daniel Gond and SCA. But I think what pushed me to go was, would I regret not taking an opportunity? And I thought, yeah, I was going to regret it. So I needed to go, even if, even if it was going to fail. I needed to take the leap and, you know, just just see if I could do it.

Josh: Yeah, it seems like with radio, uh, they famously just put random people together and hope that there's some form of chemistry. What's your—

Bree: what are you talking about?

Josh: Yeah, I mean, what's your thoughts on it? Have you, um, have you come up with your own compass as a way of determining whether someone's the right fit for you from a duo perspective?

Bree: I think that is such a hard thing, like it's such a hard question to answer and I don't think if people had figured it out, we would have 100 more Kyle and Jackie Os, you know. And I don't think there is a particular algorithm, or I think the main thing that I would probably say is that whatever duo you get put into, you need to put in just as much effort off the air as you do on the air to really have that kind of connection with that person. And, and I think it all bases from a good friendship, and you need to have that if you're going to have a really great connection and chemistry on air. That's my opinion, everyone, and I'm sure there'd be people who think differently, but in terms of myself, that's what I think really works.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, how do you build a relationship with somebody when you're both getting paid? And so it's, it's a weird one because for me, I don't think I can play that game because it's not that I don't like the other person, but it's like, you know what you're there to do. And so Josh and I started as mates and now we hate each other, but we, you know, we do this because we make a million bucks a year each.

Josh: It's a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But how do you do it? What are the steps to building a relationship when you know you're going into it going, we need to build this? What's our steps to do it?

Bree: Just go out, get on the piss, fart, eat dumplings.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, shit yourself, have a milkshake.

Bree: I know it sounds like a joke, but I'm being so serious. Like going out and having a few drinks and like actually just, you know, shooting the shit when you're not at work, stuff like that. And I think it's really interesting here in New Zealand. We have to travel quite a lot together as a team. So I think especially when you're away on those trips where you're spending time that you normally wouldn't in an everyday kind of, you know, job or life. It brings you closer together because you have to lean on each other because they are kind of like your support and family when you're away on those trips. So I think that helps. But yeah, I reckon going, going out, getting on the piss and having some real conversations every now and then.

Josh: How much are you looking to the future from a career perspective?

Bree: Josh, in terms of career, I just want to have a long-ass career in radio, whatever that may be. I'm I mean, I'd love to, you know, obviously go as high as I could go or do as much as I could, but at the moment I just really enjoy doing radio every day. And I think I'm very lucky to have a job like that, especially in the current climate. And I'm just really thankful for that. So in terms of looking to the future, I've got a few projects of my own that I really wanna get off the ground. So they're probably more my focus at the moment, but then, still, you know, kicking ass in our, in our kind of survey category here in New Zealand is what I want to tackle first, I think.

Tommy: What's also challenging I've felt in the past is regional stuff. You're with a co-host that has their own dreams and goals. And so is there any difference when you do get it to a metro drive time show that's quite, you know, it's a— you're on a huge show in New Zealand. Are you more— are you in communication with your co-host about what your goals are individually and also as a team?

Bree: We have talked about, you know, that type of stuff before, and we've obviously— I think the main things we talk about is what we want to tackle together in the next, you know, however many years, um, and making sure that even with our producers, we're a very tight-knit team, and having that same kind of goal, whether that be a long-term one or you set, you know, shorter goals for yourself, and we're all working towards that same thing. Because if you, if you're not united, it makes it very difficult, I think.

Josh: How do you go with feedback or criticism?

Bree: Um, that's an interesting question, Josh. I think back in the day when I first started posting things to social media, and I remember the first time one of my videos got posted to Uni Lad, which I mean is a community of million bajillions of people, um, and I made the mistake of reading some of the comments on there.

Josh: Don't read what the lads say.

Bree: Yeah, which not, not the nicest. I think one of my favourites though, because I, I saw the comedy, comedy in it, someone said, oh, this chick looks like Cara Delevingne if she was, uh, fat and on meth. And I thought that was quite funny.

Josh: I thought fat and meth is an interesting combo too as well, because you think like you're really having to counter that.

Tommy: Yeah, you're really fucked up if you're on meth and you're super fat.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, seems weird.

Bree: Achievement.

Josh: I know, exactly. And so the, the feedback—

Tommy: calories out.

Josh: The feedback— who do you, um, who do you listen to when it comes to feedback?

Bree: There's a few people, um, I think that I kind of look to. Craig Bruce is our consultant here at ZM. So we often have, um, my, my boss Ross is walking past, um, and, uh, Craig, we have, um, yeah, air cheques with him every now and then, and I catch up with him for dinner when he comes over to New Zealand and just kind of chat about, you know, whatever, um, which it's so weird to sit across from him sometimes because I'm like, you are the Craig Bruce, and like him and I just, you know down on a few bloody beers at the pub. But I do like hearing— I like to take it from quite a few people because I think if you take it from one person, then you're going to run into trouble because it's like an asshole. Everyone has an opinion, but doesn't necessarily mean, you know, they're good to look at. So I think I like to look at a bunch. So Craig would be one, Dean Buchanan someone else. Yeah, my boss Ross, and even my colleagues, like, you know, they're there every every day. They're the ones that are seeing, you know, stuff I do day in and day out. So, and probably those guys as well.

Tommy: What about, what about outside the bubble? Like, um, you know, non-radio, your mums? I mean, I like to look to my wife and it's like, if my wife's cool with it, fucking, it's— I'm cool with it.

Bree: Also, you, you, you run everything past her and what if she thinks it's funny or she's like okay with it, that's, that's good to go.

Tommy: It's more when I, you know, have I crossed the line? If these, you know, other fuckers are saying I have and she says no, I'm like, well, I haven't.

Josh: It's right.

Bree: I see what you're saying. Like, where do you look to for support if you are copping a bit of shit or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely my partner and, um, my close friends. I usually run things past them. But I mean, you know, uh, Tommy, as you probably would realize, they can be biased.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's why I do it. Yeah, it's always support.

Bree: Just to make yourself feel better.

Josh: Yeah. So CB is actually doing an air cheque of this podcast on Friday. It's the very first air cheque because I've come from behind the scenes. It's— this might make the app that he listens to. So I front-footed it and said, hey CB, you know, you are a, you know, a massive industry content person. Would you do this for us? And he He said yes, which was super generous. Any tips for me going into it? Like, how does an air cheque for someone who's never had one, how does it work? And should I prepare my responses for him now?

Bree: Yeah, so Josh, an air check, pretty much prepare for them to harp on about really little things, like how you say certain words.

Josh: And then they also have one about which I'm fixing.

Bree: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you do a podcast, you probably won't get, um, you know, little things like if the, if the news is 2 minutes late, but just be wary of that. They might bring that in somehow. They love to bring that stuff in. Nah, in all seriousness, Craig Bruce is probably, uh, one of my favourite people, uh, ever to be air-checked by. Maybe because he's so lovely and, um, uh, complimentary of me, uh, because I pay him well. Um, It's the same. I think it's just a good chance. What's that, Josh?

Josh: It's the same with Tommy's wife. That's why he likes it.

Bree: Right, right. Fair enough. Yeah, I think an air cheque is just a great chance to, you know, get someone's perspective that's not yourself or not your co-hosts where they're a listener, you know, and they're kind of hearing things that you never would. And I love constructive criticism. I hate criticism, but I love constructive criticism, and I wish I got more of it. Because I think if you take it well and you can put it into practise or see where they're coming from, you can only grow and get better.

Josh: So what's something that you've taken on from, from an air cheque that you've actually implemented?

Bree: Um, recently there's been so many.

Josh: That can be, can be, um, old school, or any that stand out to you where it's like, oh fuck, a bit of an aha moment.

Bree: Yeah, I think probably one of the main ones, and I tend to fucking waffle as you've probably heard on this podcast already, and I can hear myself doing it. Um, that's good.

Josh: This is what it's for. This is great.

Bree: Probably just getting to the fucking point, um, and hooking someone in straight away and then just giving them the meat, you know. Um, I tend to be someone who I love to talk and waffle, so So that's definitely something I've taken from air checks, which is real early shit. Um, but then yeah, I think to be honest, Craig doesn't give us much negative feedback these days. Like he just gives us stuff where we can kind of change and tweak certain benchmarks and stuff like that. Um, which, can you tell him I want some more constructive criticism?

Josh: That'd be good. Yeah, sure, definitely.

Tommy: Give some to yourself. What would it be if you were to sort of analyze, and it can't be waffling.

Bree: I think at the moment, I literally had a moment yesterday where I was like, I need to thoroughly think more about how I want breaks to play out. Um, and it's not every time, but there was a few times yesterday in the show where I was like, if I had a thought about this more and kind of put a little bit more structure in I could have got a really great moment on air, but I was a bit fucking lazy and I didn't do that. So that's something that I think I'm focusing on at the moment.

Tommy: I wonder if there's— do you think anyone doesn't work well with, uh, receiving constructive criticism? Like, I think about Joe Rogan and the people from the outside set that were saying too long, short, less of this, more of that. He didn't listen to any of them and he's become the biggest podcast in the world. I just like finding a reason to push back.

Josh: I think it's good to get that stuff. Like, I find part of it is it's like, what's the obvious thing? So, the feedback is around like, what are people thinking? And then you can use your own filter system around, is it the right way to go or not?

Tommy: I mean, there's nothing better than feeling like you are onto something and other people have no clue. Like, I guess that's what Rogan would have felt like when he's like, you guys don't get it. And especially like for you, Bri, you're in a top spot in radio. It's like you're doing a lot right.

Josh: And so maybe that's why Brucey doesn't, uh, well, yeah, you just need to defend your position. You just need to not fuck it up now, I guess. And you got there because you got there because you were, you were good, good at your job. And so that's, I guess, like But I guess that's the other interesting thing is it's like, how do you develop or how do you sort of progress? Have you changed much as a broadcaster or a content creator, do you think, over the last sort of 5 or 10 years?

Bree: I think, I think I've just gotten more life experience. And one thing that I haven't— I get told all the time, especially by Craig and by, you know, other people, they're like, The reason why I think I am relatable to the audience is because I'm not very radio, um, even though I've been doing radio for a long time now. And I try and— I try and not have much of a filter, and I try and do stuff where I am a bit crass sometimes because that's actually me. And I'm not— I don't want to change myself, um, because I think that's when the audience really connect with you, when you're actually being your true self on the air, which is really hard to do sometimes. And there's moments— I mean, I had a moment about 6 or 7 weeks ago where I talked about my mental health on the air, and I said, I just need to say right now I'm really struggling, and I'm, you know, my anxiety is really bad. And I just wanted to be real because I feel like we don't talk about this stuff enough. But if I can help one person that might be feeling like that and they see me, who they look at as someone who never has any worries or, you know, issues, and they can feel comfort in the sense that they're not alone, like it's, it's very normal, then I'm going to do that stuff. And, and it was hard, like it's, it's really hard to talk about that personal stuff, but I want to be that type of broadcaster where I'm just so honest and genuine with our audience.

Josh: Is there a distinction of personal, like, stuff that you keep close versus stuff that you broadcast? Do you think that they're is a line?

Bree: Um, my mum would say no, there is no line. Um, I think there's a really kind of small part, um, which I'm still working on. Um, and it's probably, you know, my relationship stuff I keep quite private. Even though I told you about the farting thing earlier, there's quite a lot of my relationship that I do keep for myself. And I think it's mainly because because I mean, I signed up for this life, my partner didn't. So, um, but I think you do need to like try and share some of that stuff. But yeah, you just need to pick and choose the stuff where obviously you do need to keep certain things as just private and for yourself.

Josh: And so with your mum, using that as an example, like obviously you've sort of lent into that. What do you think the difference is between your relationship with your partner versus say your mum? Is there a distinction there?

Bree: Um, I think I have to live with my partner every day. I don't have to live with my mum every day. Um, so, you know, that might have something to do with it. I can kind of get out of there if shit goes south. Nah, I think my mum and I, um, just have a really good understanding. I think of— I just know her so well, and she knows me so well, and she knows that I would never put her in a position that was going to be, you know, bad or going to paint either of us in a horrible light. So I think we've been doing it for such a long time now, and she just, she just rolls with the punches, which is the reason I love her so much. And she laughs it off. So I think that's probably the biggest difference, is that we don't live together.

Josh: Talking about the anxiety stuff, was there anything that in your role or your job that you find flares up or makes anxiety or mental health things worse?

Bree: Yeah, absolutely. I think especially the culture that we're living in at the moment, you know, everyone is, is like ready at the keyboard to say something or bring you down, you know, like, and I feel like even if that's not the case, that's the kind of, I guess, vibe that is, is floating around at the moment. So I was even talking about this with my co-host Clint the other day, like him and I were both like like saying that we're just a little bit more on edge these days just because, you know, one wrong thing that you say or whatever, you know, people will come after you with pitchforks kind of thing. So that definitely takes a toll on you, and like, you're always trying to please everyone and not upset people and, you know, be the best person you can be. And sometimes that gets quite tiring, I think.

Tommy: How do you do it in a 3-minute talk break? Talk about mental health? Because it deserves at least 6.

Bree: I think I did take about 6, and my boss didn't have a go at me for that, which was really nice of him. I think I did it in a way where I didn't— it wasn't a sob storey for me, and I pretty much like premised it with like, I have my dream job and my dream life. Like, I love living my life every day. But that doesn't mean that I don't have down days and shit days as well. And I think that's something that's probably, you know, a little bit kind of faded into the background, is that people think if you have all everything, all your ducks in a row and everything perfect, that you are happy constantly and everything is perfect and you never have a bad day. And I just think I want to break that kind of ideology, because it's not true. Like, we all—

Josh: It's so annoying though, isn't it? Because like, I feel like we expect that you're going to arrive. Like, I've got no doubt that I'm like, okay, when we have a bigger space and I have like a clean desk and I can like— And it's a sunny day, like, it's going to be— Everything's going to be fucking great. But then my girlfriend Bree said the other day, she said, I like, maybe it was quite depressing actually. She said, maybe you'll never be happy when Which sounds very depressing. I picked her up on it straight away. I said, "Oh, well, you're projecting that on me now. Now I'm never going to be happy." But I just, I'm always wanting the next thing. And I'm like, when I get here, I'll do this. Did you think when you got to where you are now, were you expecting to be happier than what you are?

Bree: I think you're all, yeah, you're always, and I think it's human nature for us to always be like, oh, once I get that new car or once I go on that, once I get on holidays or go on that trip, or you're always— I've really tried to— I think the hardest thing, and I watched that— have you guys seen that Michael Jordan documentary?

Josh: I haven't yet, but, um, I've heard it's very good. It's great.

Bree: You should watch it. I'm not going to ruin it for you, but the biggest thing that I took from that documentary was one, a guy that knew Michael Jordan, um, uh, really well. He said the biggest thing about Michael Jordan that set him apart from the rest was not his amazing athletic ability or drive or anything like that. He said it was his ability to literally live in the moment all the time. And just hearing that, I was like, wow, that's such like an eye-opener thing because I think so many of us don't do that. Like, we're always thinking about, you know, what happens when this, or like, what about, you know, and things you think of stuff from the past and that holds you back from doing something. Or, you know, whereas they said, yeah, Michael Jordan just lived in the present, and him being able to do that, that's why he was so amazing and so good. And I, I really try and do that these days because I think you lose sight of, you know, if you're always looking for the next thing, you're not enjoying what you're doing right now. And to me, that's what it's all about. Like, you need to be enjoying life and, and loving what you do in the moment.

Josh: What about ambition? Like, I feel like in some ways when you're in a regional station or wherever it is and then you're moving on, there is a sense that you're only there temporary— temporarily and you're going to move on. Is that sort of a treadmill that you actively have to stand off when you get a role like you have now?

Bree: It, it's such a hard one, and I feel for all those people in the regional markets because sometimes you feel like you're never going to get off that treadmill. Meat. But I think like we just spoke about before, you need to concentrate about absolutely killing it in that moment, in that show that you're in right now. Because if you're not focused on that, I don't think it'll be very difficult to get that opportunity for the next step, because you need to be killing it in what you're doing like right now.

Josh: Did you do that? Like, I could imagine that you being so ambitious with the digital content and video— I remember when I was doing digital content for Fifi and Jules the criticism that Sam Cav would have on Jules was, mate, you're spending too much time on this video piece here. No, like the audience, you know, all that matters is what's going through the speakers was sort of the classic line they would say. How do you consider focus with all of this stuff when you do have these other interests?

Bree: I've been, yeah, it's quite, I've got a guy who's kind of, he's managing me now and deals with a lot of that backend. End stuff like all the other things that I'm kind of doing. I think you need to think about what is your main focus and your main goal, and for me that is doing a great radio show every day. And then, you know, you put that as priority number one, and then everything kind of falls underneath that. But I think, to be honest, I believe your digital is just as important as what's going through the speakers these days because It's such a massive opportunity. You could get someone who gets a radio survey book that's never heard your radio show in the car or ever. They've never listened to a podcast, never heard the show, but they could have watched 100 videos of yours on Facebook and been like, I fucking love those guys, I'm going to give them a tick in the book. So for me, I feel like it's a real opportunity in that digital space to do really well and get— it's another platform to pretty much you know, be able to have ticks in those radio books. To me, that's how I see it.

Tommy: And the other challenge is, uh, in the noisy environment comparing to other people. So it's like you may have a radio show, but then you're looking to someone who has this ginormous YouTube channel. Have you, have you struggled with comparison in the past or current? What do you mean, in terms of like, um, just looking left you know, even when you're in a great position, I find I do it. It's like I'm looking left at what other people are going, fucking, that looks good, wouldn't mind a bit of that fame, that success, that money. I mean, it's just an easy go-to, right?

Bree: Absolutely. I think it's human nature. We all do it. And there's always, you know, someone where you're looking at, oh, that's a great idea. Damn it, why didn't I think of that? I'd love to be doing that. And most of the time, the people that I'm looking at are my mates. Like, even you guys, I look at like what you're doing and I envy you know, what you guys are doing. And it just means that I— it's all right, right? No, but I do like, and I think it's like, it's a really cool thing. And I just want to be doing everything, you know? And I feel like if you've got that drive and ambition, you do want to have your finger in every pie. Like, I know I do. I just want to be doing, doing everything, doing more, doing it bigger.

Josh: And so where do you land with it all? Like, I've gotten real dark in the past few weeks. I'm like, you know, the world's going to end. You know, like, it's all, what does it matter anyway? Like, uh, watching, um, you know, documentaries on the Great Depression and plagues and all fun stuff like that. Yeah. So do you find that your, uh, ambition or your, um, you know, just your vibe has been hit with all the stuff that's happening in the world right now?

Bree: I think for sure. I think if someone says no, they probably, um asleep or they're like not really that connected to what's going on. Like, it's very heavy. Like, and to be honest, like, Josh, I feel like since being here in New Zealand, I've had a— well, our show has had a pretty tough trot in terms of, you know, we had the Christchurch shootings, which, um, that was the hardest radio show that I've ever had to do where that news broke half an hour before we went to air. We had a whole show prepared and literally scrapped the whole thing and had to do this, you know, show where we couldn't believe what we were hearing. And all we were trying to do was only talk about things that have been, you know, reported as fact and just give out information to people that might help them. But it was one of the hardest shows, like radio shows I've ever done and probably will ever do. Like, it was just crazy.

Josh: Did you feel prepared for that? Like, I guess there is a distinction between journalists and radio presenters. Like, I feel like radio presenters could go their whole life without necessarily going dialling in, you know, just reporting facts and talking that, you know, this sort of news cycle. Did you feel prepared when you went on air that day?

Bree: Absolutely not, I didn't. I was kind of like a deer in the headlights. I was like, what is going on? Like, this is was it also just dealing with the fact that something like this was happening to people and it was so close to, you know, like I've got friends and stuff down there. And I think it was— no, I did not feel prepared. But once those microphones went on, I was prepared. And that might have just been, you know, obviously I've had however many years in radio now, or my, you know, so my instincts just kicked in. But yeah, it was a really full-on and overwhelming day and something that went on not just for a day, like weeks, a number of weeks.

Josh: And so did you— what was your default? Like, because there's some interesting content on YouTube where they take all the New York radio stations when 9/11 happened and just hearing how people talk about it and things like that. Did you find that in that moment you went to a specific style of talking or a specific filter?

Bree: I think, Josh, my style is just— I just go into friend or family mode, and I just want to talk to people that listen to our show and be there for them. As someone like that, I know that sounds really weird, but I just go into this like nurturing type of mode, and I just talk to them because they are— they feel like we are their friends, and they listen to us every day. And I want them to feel like that because we are there for them, and that's, you know, a part of our job. And I think I just go into that super caring and, you know, probably just nurturing mode. That's— I just— it's just default. I just can't help it. That's just what comes out, I think.

Tommy: Did you— were you on air for the 7 weeks that you're all locked down?

Bree: Yeah, so we were. I was working from home for a part of it, and then we had a week or 2 weeks off, and then the rest we were on air. It was a really strange time because you felt like no one was listening at all.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it's weird. And, and how much content have you got from around the house? To be honest. It's, um, you know, it's built a fire again.

Bree: What was that song? I'm in the house bored.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, what about, um, escapism in regards to like commercial? I feel like commercial radio, there's a bit of escapism in it. Um, obviously there are subjects that you just need to cover, but I've even noticed that everything seems heightened at the moment, and you see companies would talk about certain issues, like there's been certain issues like, say, Black Lives Matter, where most companies seem to go and talk about it. But then there's a longer tail of social issues that then are starting to spike up and gain traction. And then I guess we need to ask ourselves as people who are doing podcasts, as companies, as a broadcaster, what is our responsibility in talking about that? How much do we have to say about that versus how much of our role is around escapism? Where, where have you found that balance?

Bree: That's so interesting you say that. I remember when all this kind of COVID stuff was really getting grim, there was moments where I was like, I just want to provide some light entertainment and an escape for people. And there was literally where I think we did that, and then there was moments where we kicked into, hey, we need to have a real, like, obviously chat about how people are feeling and what's actually going on for a minute or two. And I think for probably about 3 or 4 weeks, every now and then we'd do a segment on our show where I think it was, I think it was called Cup of Tea and a Biscuit, and it was just where people got to call up Cup of tea and a dumpling.

Josh: It wasn't worth it. This is the problem with remote. You get your shit joke a second chance. It's never worth it. If you don't hear me, just laugh. But yeah, come on.

Bree: Nah, you always go for it though. Second time's the charm. And yeah, people just called up and we just literally had a chat about what was going on for them and how they were feeling and, you know, what was what was lockdown like, because you had to kind of convey that because, you know, and so I think we picked and chose those moments. But I think majority, I would say it was 80% escapism and light and fun. And then, you know, every now and then we'd bring in some of that, you know, we give them all the live updates or the stuff that they needed to know. But 80%, we were there to, you know, do fart jokes and, you know, burp up dumplings.

Josh: Thanks.

Tommy: What's on the show today? It's in a couple hours' time.

Bree: Um, what is on the show today? That's a great question. Hold on, I can tell you.

Josh: I've got the run sheet here.

Tommy: I mean, is it— back in my, back in my day, it was, um, Gawker, uh, BuzzFeed, news.com.au. They were the sort of the tabs you had open. What do you, what do you got open in NZ? What's the New Zealand site?

Bree: I, I love a bit of news.com.au just because because I feel like I can take one of their storeys and twist it and make it my own.

Josh: Yep.

Bree: Um, I love a bit of Uni Lad, don't mind a bit of their stuff.

Tommy: Love it.

Bree: Um, The Herald, which is like, you always got to put some local in there, so I've always got The Herald, The Herald cranking. And what else? BuzzFeed's not really a thing anymore, is it?

Tommy: Nah, nah, back in the day. Australia definitely.

Josh: And so what's the run sheet like, um, for, for someone who's not in radio? Uh, how does it work? How many pieces of content do you need to come to a show with? And, um, how do you work out whether something requires a phoner where you get people to ring in versus something that's just a rave where you're talking?

Bree: You could answer this, Tommy, as well. You've done a lot in radio as well, right? Um, I think you get to know your audience and like where phoners probably sing the most. And I think it needs to be always a balance. Like for us, we tend to do in an hour, if you've got a good phoner, then you put it in. I think people go wrong where they're like, oh, that's where we do a phoner, so we have to jam a phoner in there. Whereas I don't really have that sensibility. I'm like, yes, if you've got it, then you put it in. But if you don't, don't try and make something, you know, cram in, which isn't going to work. But I think a balance, like a phoner an hour, and some, like, maybe a benchmark and some single pieces of content, maybe something topical, maybe something personal, usually is a good mix. I don't know.

Josh: Yeah. And do you, uh, how do you go with, um, Jason PJ have mentioned that they sometimes struggle when they get guests in, that that's not necessarily their, uh, their strong suit. Well, how do you go when it comes to guests? Do you have any sort of tactics or strategies around how to do a good interview?

Bree: I think especially because we're doing Drive, um, I think if you have a good idea that plays to your audience and somehow involves the guests that you're having in, that's when we say yes to interviews. If we don't have a good idea or something funny or fresh that, um, we can do with the person, then we tend to stay away from them. That's just our kind of take on that stuff. And we're lucky that we do have the luxury of picking and choosing sometimes. But I think, yeah, try and tailor a particular idea to that person because they're not— they're going to appreciate it because they're probably doing a thousand bloody interviews in the day and everyone's asking them the same same boring old question. And it also makes it fun for your audience and something that you can tailor towards, you know, that you're, you know, your audience is going to enjoy.

Tommy: Yeah. And then you get a— it could just be their personality at the time. Like, if they're tired and shit, it'd be— that's what I find hard about the radio, like being slotted with a celebrity.

Josh: Oh yeah, when there's a real challenge.

Tommy: So if you can nail it, it's fucking— you've done well.

Josh: Any big fuck-ups? Any, any, uh, any times where it's just gone really poorly?

Bree: Oh, take your pick. Bernard Fanning wasn't a big fan of me, I know that.

Josh: Um, really? Why do you say that? What happened? We—

Bree: it wasn't even in studio, it was a phone interview. I just remember being devastated because I fucking love Powderfinger and I love him. And, uh, I think we just caught him on a bad day, like Tommy said, and he just was not keen, was not laughing at any jokes. Um, just not up for it. Uh, and then more recently, do you guys know Bebe Rexha?

Josh: No, who's Bebe Rexha?

Bree: She's a singer from America. Um, she sings that song something like, if you let it be, I'm not a singer.

Josh: Anyway, it's quite a big song.

Tommy: Bebe Rexha, B-E-B-E, and then Rexha.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Tommy: Yeah, Last Hurrah. She's pretty famous.

Josh: And so what were you saying about her? Sorry.

Bree: So we came up with this idea because at the time she was promoting a song called I'm a Mess. So we came up with this idea where we created this fake game show, uh, where she was going to go against me and my co-host Clint was going to ask us questions, essentially ask her the simplest, easiest questions ever. And me questions that I was never ever going to get. If you got a question wrong, the other person got to pretty much pour heaps of gross shit on you. Anyway, she rolled in and she had this amazing Balenciaga leather jacket on and I was obsessed with it. I was like, oh my God, that jacket's so nice. Anyway, her management was not keen on the idea and then she was keen on the idea and then they kind of had a bit of a fight and and they— she was like, I'm not going to get anything on my jacket. And that's when she got a bit too into it and pied me in the face with this cake, and it just went all over this jacket. And I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

Tommy: It's memorable, at least. I'm sure. I mean, if she said she's up for it—

Josh: what was the jacket worth?

Bree: She loved it.

Tommy: $6,000?

Bree: I think the jacket was worth about $10,000. I asked her and she said it was worth about $10,000.

Josh: Solid. Do you reckon there's that sort of cliché, or the thing that I found was the bigger the guest, the more humble? So if they're sort of the A-listers, the Will Ferrells, Justin Biebers, super lovely in person, person who just came fourth in Australian Idol, a bit of an asshole. Is that a common thing?

Bree: Yeah, I think so. I'm trying to think back of some of the interviews that I've done, and like all the big stars, yeah, that I've interviewed have been so lovely. Like, uh, the big ones like Shania Twain or Kelly Clarkson, or, um, you know, the ones that stand out to me. Like, David Guetta was one of the nicest dudes ever, and he was at his peak when we interviewed him, and he was just so like down to earth. He was like, I'm eating a bacon sandwich and we were like, just what a legend. Like, we just loved him. So I do find that, but I do find that most people tend to be fine. I think it's just you have to remember, and I think if you acknowledge at the start of the interview, has it been a long day of interviews? Like, you know, is this quite punishing? We'll get you in and out kind of thing. And I think they kind of appreciate that, especially celebrities who do a lot of them. So that's probably something that I tend to do, being like, oh, you know, what number interview is this? Like, we'll get you in and out. Thanks for doing it, kind of thing.

Josh: Quick cream pie and you're in the face and you're done.

Bree: Yeah, and then you're on your way.

Josh: Awesome. Bree, thanks so much for coming on the show. It's, it's been awesome watching. We've been watching your career from afar and like seeing you kick goals in New Zealand, all that sort of thing's been awesome. So thanks so much for coming on.

Bree: Thank you so much for having me, boys. And I've been watching you guys. I know this sounds like a ruse, but I have. And like I said, I I really respect what you guys are doing, and I know the dedication and the drive that it takes, and you guys are absolutely kicking your own goals. I just wanted to bring one last thing up. Tommy, yes, do you remember, here we go, before I ever did any social media, I messaged you and said we should do some collabs together? Do you ever remember that?

Tommy: Fuck, I don't know, I can cheque my Facebook.

Josh: Yeah, he's only just got to pack his Facebook.

Tommy: No, I think I do.

Josh: Well, here it is. Here's the collab. What do you guys want to do? Do you want to do a TikTok right now? What can we do?

Bree: Yeah, well, that's what I thought. I, I was going to say, Tommy, the offer's still there. Let me know, um, and we can, we can make that collab happen, mate.

Tommy: Let's do this.

Josh: I can give you guys a two-shot now if you want, if you've got something. But I mean, what are you, what are you gonna do?

Tommy: There's not much, mate. Great ideas take time. Okay, so, um, let's just, uh, We'll work on stuff.

Bree: My people are working off it with your people, and I'm assuming your people is your wife and your gorgeous son.

Josh: Exactly. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, I'll buzz you later.

Bree: Yeah, cool. Sounds good. No, I really appreciate you guys having me on. Keep doing what you're doing, and, um, we'll chat soon.

Josh: Awesome. Thanks, Bray. It's, uh, The Daily Talk Show. See you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.