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Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 749.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? How are we all?

Josh: It's a hump day replay and Georgie boy isn't here.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a bit sad. It's not the same vibe. I know that he was in the office late last night punching out an edit, got himself a Domino's pizza.

Josh: It did look good, didn't it?

Tommy: It did. There was about 17 different animals on that pizza. I was like, oh, vegetarians ain't gonna like that. Absolutely not. Uh, before we sort of get towards the, you know, premiere of Hump Day Replay, I got an alarming phone call this morning. Ben Fordham. I know, 97, that you just sent me the live read that I have to do because he is the naming right of the megaphone, but he no longer wants me behind the megaphone.

Mason: Really?

Tommy: He's a man that knows what he wants, and that is for Josh Jansen to take back the megaphone.

Josh: Can I get some, uh, sanitizer? I've got something. You're right, I'm gonna put some sanitizer on. The, um, you didn't like my, the jib, jib of my vibe.

Tommy: What's that saying? The, uh, what is it?

Jess: Jig.

Tommy: Didn't like my jig.

Josh: Not sure.

Mason: I don't—

Tommy: yeah, he didn't like my, my way of delivery.

Josh: Oh, I can see why. But he also—

Mason: you asked for cash right afterwards from other people.

Josh: He texted me.

Tommy: I'm just, I'm doing something for the business.

Josh: No, I appreciate that. You know, he texted me, uh, again.

Tommy: So you're on his side?

Josh: Well, no, I got a text message at 7:23 PM last night. Hey mate, I prefer you on the megaphone. Please switch back to you for tomorrow's shout out. Tommy needs some training, uh, and I note that the plug wasn't in the first 5 minutes. Yeah, let's not make this mistake again. Deal is a deal. Good boy. Great doing business, BF.

Tommy: And he sent a dog on a lead after that. That's you, Josh, you're on the lead.

Jess: Good boy.

Tommy: Okay, I respect it. Look, I respect it, it's fine. What was that, Seb?

Mason: Oh, we should get it in.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, countdown quickly.

Josh: Do I have to? So the script that I've been sent through Slack, is that created by Ben or are we making that up?

Tommy: I don't know.

Mason: No, no, no, I've just pulled a bunch of info from what 2GB have put on their site.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: And, um, just sort of collated and adjusted a little bit.

Tommy: I think you can ad-lib, Josh. I think you're, you're good enough. Okay. I believe in you. Yeah, I think so as well, because Ben doesn't believe in me and he believes in you. So here we go.

Josh: And, uh, I'm feeling good.

Tommy: No pressure.

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Tommy: There. That was good. That was good. He was up and about. It is cut of my jib. And that is, which I was trying to go for, one's general appearance or personality, as in, I don't like the cut of Ben's jib. I'm not using Ben Fordham as an example here, but it's just what they've said here. In the 17th century, the shape of the jib sail often identified a vessel's nationality. And hence whether it was hostile or friendly. The term was being used figuratively by the early 1800s, often to express like or dislike for someone.

Josh: So, I reckon that would be more interesting on the Megaphone. I actually enjoyed that a lot.

Tommy: It is. I mean, how weird is shit that changed, like, 1800s and just, ah, well, you got to use it differently. Maybe the saying sort of ran its course based on— I mean, that the saying in itself ran its course, ran its course in terms of that shit wasn't happening and now we're just adapting to the new— I feel like Gronkh.

Josh: I reckon you should actually do a series. Like, we're talking about you want to hit a month of doing TJ dailies. Yeah. And then you want to look at, um, you know, your options, maybe moving to 3 days a week, putting a bit more effort in.

Tommy: Got more—

Josh: um, what?

Tommy: We'll just be able to do 5. No, I know what you mean. I, I'm—

Josh: as in allowing yourself the time to put in the effort on each one.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Yeah. Because the tea guy, you used Yeah, you sort of the tea guy one, I probably, the joke was done after the first video.

Tommy: Was it? Because there's demand for every Tuesday a video. All I need is one person asking me to do a video.

Josh: Who asked for that?

Tommy: Was it Jasnah or Sarah? Someone on our Facebook.

Josh: Just say a random name.

Tommy: Can you do, hang on, I'll tell you. Can you do a, oh, my name is Facebook. She's fucking logged me out of mine. Someone asked me, do it on Tuesday. The point being is I get what you're saying. Like, I get it, Josh. The daily project is to gather so much momentum. You know, you don't even know that I've just rushed past you. That's how fast I'm going.

Josh: No, I think it's great. And so at the end of— is it the end of this week that you're going to move to?

Tommy: Yeah, 4 weeks is a solid amount of 5 per week. And, you know, work picking up on the other side with what we're doing here and some projects we're activating. I think 3 solid videos.

Josh: Activating sounds flash, doesn't it?

Jess: It does.

Tommy: Yeah, I know. Sounds like we're actually up doing business.

Josh: Yeah. Activating.

Tommy: Activating.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: When did you become a corporate wanker? It's a bit of synergy.

Tommy: When I had to do a press conference about making 3 videos a week instead of 5. I got what I needed out of it. No, but there will be and we are activating. So it's actually all true that there is some projects that we're working on here.

Josh: Well, I was going to say maybe a bonus video could be a sayings video.

Jess: Love it.

Josh: I think that that could do very well on YouTube. Yeah. The algorithm.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jess: Love it.

Josh: People searching for different and you could pick sort of Australian. When I said Australian then.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: I feel like it's a bit of a Millions all over again, isn't it?

Mason: Yeah. I didn't want to bring it up.

Tommy: But you know. You've done exactly what you're meant to do.

Jess: Australian.

Josh: Australian.

Tommy: What about this? So, I'm just trying to think about the format of that video. What about if then there's some undercover filming that goes on where I go out and I have to be in a shop or speaking to someone on the street where I use the saying. So, it's like— So, I have to incorporate it into something or around the office, like hidden camera, me speaking to mates like, mate. Or bring it in on the show.

Josh: Yeah. Well, because also there is a big market for people wanting to learn English with an Australian accent.

Jess: Really?

Josh: And so, there are going to be a lot, like we've got a lot of Russian listeners. If you are a Russian listener, how do you say millions? How, like, I wonder if all of our speech impediments are going to cross over.

Tommy: Definitely slang, dude, that's crossing over. I mean, there's heaps of words I see on YouTube. YouTube specifically, you see people sort of say, I just had to look up bogan. That was this week.

Josh: Someone looked up bogan. Really? I think it was.

Mason: Yeah, I think it was in Discord.

Tommy: Oh, that was in Discord because we called Gemma a bogan. Closet Bogan, compliment.

Josh: Talking about the Discord, an update in regards to the $50.

Mason: Oh yeah. So we need to make the donation still.

Josh: Well, the people don't know if they're not on Discord, they don't know what's happened.

Mason: Oh, did we not?

Tommy: No, we haven't announced any of it.

Mason: Oh, really?

Tommy: Should we go?

Josh: So we announced that Sharna won the— Jake did a great job. He came in sort of a very close second.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: But we only have $50 to spend. To be honest, that's a stretch, but we're making it work.

Mason: But yeah, well, so you message Shana in the Discord and ask her what type of voucher she would want, and she said that she'd like to donate the $50 to Beyond Blue, which is lovely.

Josh: And so we will definitely— and extra points, Hot Accountant's going to love that.

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: Tax deductible.

Tommy: Well, much easier to sort of write that off than sending a discount.

Josh: No, I mean, this is a gronk move is making a donation anywhere and just doing a bit of, oh, this is going to be good at tax. Good at tax time.

Tommy: No, it's not. I don't know if we make enough money for it to move the needle. Every bit counts. Well, we were talking— No GST amount counts. Every GST purchase counts towards knocking off your GST charge.

Josh: We were talking to Hot Accountant just the other day, and I was saying, mate, what's the deal? What can I expect from a personal tax return in regards to working from home and COVID-19?

Tommy: Like, what's happened?

Josh: And because they've been saying, oh, you're going to get, you know, a bunch more back. And I, I think probably the most I've ever gotten back is maybe $2,200.

Jess: Good.

Josh: But you hear storeys where it's like, oh mate, did you hear like Dodgy John down the road got $7 grand back?

Tommy: The amount of people that have had to give back money, like, because they fucked it or something happened and they're just— you can easily butcher it. Yeah, you don't, because you can do it on the online platforms now, which is not advisable, but— and it's really painful because then it's— you're in debt.

Josh: And so anyway, I asked Hot Accountant, I'm like, how much? Like, just, I'm curious, what, what could we expect? And he did the numbers and that working from home thing that they're all talking about. You're looking at about $150 extra on your tax return.

Mason: Really?

Josh: So, you're going to get $150 back, which is like any cash is cash.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But it's not that like, I guess I sort of framed in my mind where I'm like, I'm going to get a $4,000 tax return or some shit.

Mason: Well, what if you can you do like your internet and stuff?

Tommy: Already can. If you just use your internet at home, there's a whole bunch of things that you can already do. But the point was it's kind of marketed as like, oh, everyone's looking for the silver lining, that being worked out to $150 extra.

Josh: And they're also, I think that they just broke it down. So, it's a lot easier now where you don't have to fill out as much stuff to get those things claimed.

Tommy: That is good.

Josh: We should get him back on.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Are you cool if I, uh, play a little, uh, pre-Hump Day video?

Tommy: I mean, if it's more abuse from Ben Fordham to me about my technique and delivery, no.

Josh: I think it fits well for the— before we played Georgie Boys Hump Day replay.

Jess: Okay, commercial.

Josh: Oh, here we go. I've fucked it already.

Jess: Hey guys, so sorry I can't be there today. I'm actually at Bunnings and we're shooting a commercial. Hashtag on set. I miss you all so, so much, and I hope you enjoy today's episode of Hump Day Replay, episode 9. It was a really fun one to make, and I'll be drinking Prosecco later, that's for sure. Love you guys. Bye.

Josh: So, uh, Georgie boy is on a shoot. He works for an agency that does all the Bunnings stuff, so he can't be drinking at Bunnings at 12. And so he, um, he normally has his lunch break at our office and he does the show, but he's on set.

Tommy: I mean, last week he was drinking a margarita at 12. It was a Tom's margarita and he was drunk by 12:45. So, he's not doing that today.

Josh: And so anyway, I think it's time to play Georgie Boys Hump Day Replay. Here we go.

Jess: It's Georgie Boys Hump Day Replay. This week we're back in the studio, baby.

Tommy: You're at least 2 metres away.

Jess: It was a big week of romance.

Josh: What have you learned about love, dating, Tinder, that type of thing?

Mason: I love just being able to talk to her.

Josh: Amy Insurance will answer the phone within 2 weeks.

Jess: Tommy showed us why he's Mr. Perfect.

Tommy: From the day I've met Amy, there is, there is, there's not a day I haven't spoken to her.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: From the day I, um, from the day, from the moment I've met you, I haven't stopped this. Stop thinking about you at least once a day.

Jess: And Josh had an offer for anyone in the dating game.

Josh: $50, a voucher of your choice. Yeah. To one person who can integrate the Daily Talk Show into their Tinder, Grindr, whatever, Bumble, Hinge.

Jess: Well, I guess you could say things weren't going to plan. I tried everything. And you start telling yourself, "It'll never happen for me." I came across this podcast that was offering a $50 gift voucher for anyone who could integrate the show into their conversation. I thought, "Well, what's the worst that could happen?" So I get this message: "Looking for some light-hearted banter that goes deep on a variety of topics? These boys are my daily ritual. Highly recommend The Daily Talk Show." I told him I'd cheque it out. He told me he'd cheque it out and The date went terribly, but I got myself an iTunes gift card. I got Lady Gaga's new album. It's actually not bad. Gronkh Rod had an offer of his own, but this one was for Mr. 97.

Mason: I hear Grace is coming to Melbourne. If you are looking for a nice Airbnb, I think I might be able to help if you give it a shout out on the show.

Josh: What's their Instagram?

Mason: Beach House Blackberry.

Tommy: Like, I jumped on and saw the price of a week at that joint. Yeah, it's not cheap, dude.

Mason: And produce a bit of content.

Josh: Slow-mo shot of him and Grace running on the beach.

Tommy: Couple in front of fire drinking red wine.

Mason: Rod is making sure there's a smoothie machine there for me.

Tommy: Oh my God, happy baby.

Josh: Oh, it's ridiculous.

Jess: On Thursday, we celebrated World Burger Day. It's so light and buttery.

Mason: I love chippies.

Josh: That's like chocolate mousse. How often do you get that amount of chocolate mousse?

Tommy: Chocolate mousse is never given.

Jess: Unfortunately for Josh, this was his last meal. Good one to finish on though.

Josh: I've become the, the protein guy. This is everything that a fad diet looks like. I am doing a fad diet and I'm unapologetic about it.

Jess: Good evening, welcome to Fad Diets. Do you have a booking? Uh, yeah, it's under— I think it's under Martin. George?

Tommy: Martin, yep.

Josh: Table for 2?

Jess: Yeah, your guest is already waiting. Right this way, please, sir.

Josh: Okay, great.

Jess: It's a bit wet out there. Ah, perfect. This is great, thank you. Can I get you guys protein bars to start? Yeah, yeah, I'll have one of those. Yeah, I'll have one of those too, that'd be nice actually. Great, well, it's actually the only thing on the menu, so— So I've got vanilla cherry for you and choc banana for you, sir. There's no real joke here. I don't actually know what the punchline is.

Tommy: We know that George knows comedy.

Jess: Something about protein bars, Josh's fad diet, eating at a tiny restaurant which is actually my sound booth. There's no punchline.

Josh: Ah, it's a comedy!

Jess: Enjoy your meal. Thank you to our producer Jess for coming on the show.

Tommy: Like group scenarios, you know how there's always like the egos involved and that type of thing.

Josh: Yeah, she's looking at me, she's looking at me when she says that.

Jess: And thank you to the Gronk Squad. We've got so many different platforms and we're so grateful for how engaged everyone is. Here are some of my favourite comments from this week. In the Discord, Olivia wrote, at At school today, I had friends ask if I was involved in the show. I had to explain I watch the show and I'm obsessed. Got some people talking, so I'm gonna show them the GB HDR to see if they'll join the Gronk Squad. In the YouTube chat, Casey said, "Discord should not be content, please." Sorry, Casey, I've just done it again. And on Instagram, Showbaker made it clear that that was JJ's finger, not his cock. That's it from me. I've been Dodgy George. Goodnight, Australia. Love you.

Tommy: Georgie boy, he's done it again.

Mason: So good.

Josh: Can you just imagine Georgie boy right now? He's at Bunnings. He's probably got his laptop out. He's doing some data wrangling.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Is he watching? Maybe he's watching.

Josh: No, I'm sure he's probably thinking in the back of his mind, I wonder if the boys are playing it.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, he went into the spiral. Which I think there's the creative process always has the stage of spiralling out of control of anxiety that it's a piece of shit. And I loved it.

Josh: George, you've done it again.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Oh yeah, mate.

Tommy: 9 weeks in a row.

Josh: I mean, how much do we love Georgie Boy?

Mason: I love George.

Josh: What's our favourite thing? Seb, what's your favourite thing about Georgie Boy?

Mason: Oh, you know what? You know what it has to be? It has to be his Cute little smile. Don't you just love it? Like, when he's—

Josh: it's so reassuring.

Mason: Yeah, like just in that video.

Josh: What are you doing? Are you having protein?

Tommy: Oh, just eating from George's restaurant.

Josh: Is it good?

Tommy: He gave me the protein bar.

Josh: That's nice.

Tommy: Not bad. Plant-based.

Josh: Yeah, the bar that I got, he— like I said, you can use my bars. I'm trying a different one today. I'm trying a Quest, is the bar that I'm trying.

Tommy: So hang on, just an update on that, because if you haven't— if you didn't get the joke about the fad diet thing, Josh declared that he's actually only eating protein bars, nothing else.

Josh: I didn't say— yeah, I said I'm the protein guy.

Tommy: No, I'm pretty sure you said you're literally only eating protein bars. Did he? Because you said you were gonna skip breakfast, and then I was like, mate, have a meal, have like some kind of real food at night.

Josh: Yeah, it was sort of implied. So I— yeah, go on, were you gonna say something else?

Tommy: Am I wrong?

Josh: Is that— Are you actually eating food? No. So, I'm— What? Eating's cheating. No, I did have this morning, I halved the normal Mexican dish I made because it's massive because I used whole black beans. So, I'm having like eggs and beans and I had a lentil soup last night because I was feeling a little bit like— Yeah, I was like—

Mason: A bit yuck.

Josh: Yeah, just a little bit like, well, what am I going to shit today? You know what I mean? It's like, what's there to—

Tommy: In goes a quest, out goes a quest. I legit thought that's all you were eating. I was concerned, but I was like, you know, if sensitive, I can't, you know, if that's what he wants to do, I'm not gonna step in on it.

Josh: No, I'm starting, I just wanted to dial it all the way back. And then part of it was not having to do Uber Eats and things like that. So I'm not buying from places.

Tommy: All right, okay, I'm good. I'm glad I've got the clarification.

Josh: Yeah, not just doing, but it was day one was just protein bars.

Tommy: Fair, you can survive for probably a month before you really start having some kind of Deficiency. One thing I love about George is he definitely doesn't bite his fingernails. He's got really sort of luscious nails. Have you noticed that about him?

Mason: Oh, yeah.

Josh: Have you noticed that?

Mason: I've noticed that. Yeah.

Tommy: Like, you wouldn't want to get scratched by George.

Mason: No, he's got great fingernails.

Tommy: Great fingernails.

Josh: Like, I got toe shamed last night.

Tommy: Oh, toe shamed?

Josh: Who by?

Tommy: Where?

Josh: Your missus?

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah, Bree. And also because I played Monopoly. With Sevs and Grace. We haven't done that since going back to the office. A lot harder doing that sort of thing, don't you think? Like after a day, like we're all fucking exhausted.

Tommy: I know.

Josh: Like it was so easy going from just wearing tracksuit pants all day to just like going to the— like walking like 5 steps and going to the couch. But the, the process of like our iPad wasn't charged, all that sort of like just nothing was—

Mason: our Zoom wasn't working.

Josh: Our Zoom wasn't working.

Mason: Absolute disaster.

Josh: Because Zoom's up updated for— were they doing encryption beforehand?

Mason: Uh, they said they— it's a different— I think it's sort of like that more end-to-end. Yeah, it's a bit more.

Josh: And so they were doing— because Zoom, we were able to use our like professional cameras in Zoom. Yeah, they've stopped that feature and it's a forced update.

Mason: Oh, dogs can't join calls.

Tommy: Dogs.

Josh: So we're going to look like, um, dog shit on, um, Friday night drinks on June 12th.

Tommy: I haven't updated.

Josh: Could it? No, you can't even make calls now unless you upgrade.

Tommy: We'll work it out.

Josh: Oh, that's fair. So what do I love about Georgie boy? Uh, I should have had a prepared answer.

Tommy: You asked the question. I thought of something. I mean, I turned—

Mason: Well, you mentioned, you mentioned it last night.

Josh: What did I say?

Mason: Yesterday on the show even. His temperament.

Josh: Yeah, definitely that. He's just a nut. Like, I don't think there'd be any time where I'm like not happy that he's around. Like, And that's a— If you— The fact that he can be in a room and make everyone feel good, that's a pretty amazing trait. Yeah.

Tommy: No complaining really from him.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Appreciate that.

Josh: And when it is, it's always like funny.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Like, I'm pissed off. It's quite funny.

Tommy: And he knows comedy. So, a couple of things. I've had some like serious shoulder problem and I've been trying to work out what it's from. It's one of those injuries where you're like, I don't know where it came from. There's a few things. It could be I was playing this game with Bodhi where I would put on Spider-Man, the soundtrack, and like lift him and he'd do sound effects like he's Spider-Man. I would jump him up onto ledges and then back down. A lot of sort of like, you know, front raises which can affect the shoulder. But then I today was shooting one of my TJ Daily videos and I had the selfie stick, the You know, the vlogger setup with the DSLR in one hand and, you know, camera out. It's probably about a kilo and a half, 2 kilos.

Josh: Do you remember in Indonesia what they call a selfie stick? What is it? The translation? What is it? A narcissist stick. Which I like.

Tommy: Yeah. So, you're holding it out. It's a king-size narcissist stick because it's like thick and durable.

Josh: It's one that looks like one of those like—

Tommy: For you biggest narcissists out there.

Josh: It's like the beaded one. Yeah.

Jess: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: It could be a sex toy or it could be a camera, a camera, it could be camera gear. Anyway, I was holding it up and I was like, fuck, that is like, it's only been in the last month. I may have a, I may have a vlogging injury. No good.

Josh: No. Well, I can imagine. It's almost like, what is it, like a carpal tunnel or something like that?

Tommy: From typing. Pathetic. Really. They're all pathetic injuries. Like, this is pathetic. My shoulder being sore. Pathetic.

Josh: Well, I did see a Facebook post last night where it was like, When you're a kid, you get injured from like falling off your bike or, you know, falling over, that type of thing. When you're older, it's like you yawn funny or you sleep on the wrong side.

Tommy: Sneeze and you've done your back. It is pathetic, isn't it? Really pathetic. Once I was riding my bike as a kid, thought it was such a good idea. Had my head down on the bar and I was riding, not looking. I was like, this is kind of cool. I reckon I could do this for a while.

Jess: Boom!

Tommy: I rode into a car, so the car wasn't coming, but I rode into a parked car.

Mason: I've done that before.

Tommy: You have? Yeah. You're as stupid as me.

Mason: Yeah, but I, I don't know what— I don't— I can't remember why, but I think the car was reversing on its way out and I just went smash right into the side. But then I remember pissing myself afterwards. Like, I would have been—

Josh: it would have been like funny.

Tommy: What happened?

Josh: Let's do that.

Tommy: You just, so you buried it?

Mason: Yeah, but it was, it was, I think it was a stress piss. Like you just—

Tommy: It wasn't like bleeding from the ear?

Mason: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Tommy: Which is serious.

Mason: No, no, no, I was, I was fine. I just, I just pissed myself.

Tommy: It just scared the piss out of you?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: My brother, our dog Molly, when she was alive, she was a cocker spaniel.

Tommy: Haven't heard much about Molly.

Josh: Yeah, I feel like—

Jess: Have you heard about Molly ever?

Mason: Nah.

Tommy: I reckon you haven't mentioned Molly. What did you do to Molly?

Josh: Did you kill Molly? I didn't kill Molly, but I feel like I wish I had my time again with Molly. To kill Molly? No, I just feel like I wasn't that, I wasn't very engaged with Molly. I didn't do much. I just remember she—

Tommy: This is like the first time I heard about you had an older brother. Because I did, like, to be fair, he lives in the States. I hadn't heard much of him. This was early days. So, it's like, you know, 6 months into our friendship. And then I hear about you've got this brother. This dog, though.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: This is 3, 4 years into our friendship.

Josh: You haven't heard about Molly.

Tommy: I reckon we should look through transcripts of the show to find out if you've ever mentioned Molly. Molly is still here.

Mason: I just feel like Molly will come up from Queensland.

Josh: Oh, that's right. But maybe. So, I did.

Tommy: Why do you want your time over with Molly?

Josh: Well, I just feel like I wasn't a good pet owner. I just didn't feed her. Like, Mum did everything. Yeah. The wet food made me gag. I think that if I was to have Molly again, I would— She would be a dry dog, a dry food only dog.

Tommy: Yeah. Okay. So, if— I just want to gauge your sort of love for Molly on a scale. Door left open, Molly runs away for 2 weeks. Do you care? Do you notice?

Josh: Well, yeah. So, the reason I was bringing up Molly was because she ran out of the— Did you just sneeze?

Mason: Yeah, I did sneeze.

Josh: Okay. That's fine.

Tommy: I held in.

Mason: I didn't want to spray all over the mic.

Josh: No, I appreciate it.

Tommy: Thank you.

Josh: No, Molly ran out of the backyard. And so my brother James got on the bike and was riding fast down the hill in the court.

Tommy: Looking for Molly.

Josh: Yeah. And there was a parked truck.

Jess: Oh.

Josh: And he rode straight into the back of the parked truck. But I remember we were young enough that he cut open his ballsack. And I remember like, Oh my God. All of us, like, Mum was around looking at it, but we're like, oh wow. Like, we were all kids. And so, like—

Tommy: How do you— Sorry, how do you ride your bike and cut your ballsack off?

Josh: So, he— Imagine you ride into it and then you move forward and you hit the front of the bike.

Tommy: Like, I remember sort of pinching my— Like, yeah, you'd hit the seat or you sort of gooch would get a bit affected from sort of—

Josh: Not infected.

Tommy: A bit affected, not infected. Smashing your— your sort of bum onto the seat or onto the bar. But cutting your balls, that's another thing. So you saw it. Did he sort of pull them out or?

Josh: Yeah, I just remember being in the bathroom and we're like just all gathered around like looking at it.

Tommy: Mate, no good. Hey, last night I spent a bit of time watching, which happened a couple of days ago, the— what is it? Space Station? International Space Station. The arrival of Bob and the other guy. Who is the first commercial flight to NASA. So, SpaceX and NASA. Sorry, first—

Josh: What? On the NASA thing yesterday, Jess said, oh, there's a colouring competition and the winner, the kid gets to go to NASA. And I was like blown away because in my head I thought about the International Space Station. So, I thought, fuck, you colour, do a colouring in competition and you go to the fucking, you go to the International Space Station.

Tommy: You just get to go to Florida. Florida to—

Josh: Yeah, which is still a great prize. But I was like, that's fucking ridiculous.

Tommy: Good prizes these days.

Josh: Sorry.

Tommy: But one of them, Bob and Doug, Bob and Doug, I think Bob, maybe it was Bob, as they're cruising in, so they dock into the International Space Station, open up the doors, they come through floating, flying. And I think Bob hit his head.

Jess: Really?

Tommy: Because, and can you look this up? Because all it has is Bob with a tissue in his hand. And I saw it, I thought I saw him hit But then he kind of just like played it cool because you're in front of the world watching on a live feed. And then he keeps on like bringing a tissue up to his forehead and bringing it down. And I was like, maybe sweat? But then why wasn't the other guy doing it? And then he kept bringing it up to this one spot, wiping it, bringing it down. I reckon Bob hit his head or Doug, whichever one of them.

Josh: You should have bobbed.

Tommy: Good one.

Mason: Anything?

Tommy: Is there any word of that?

Mason: I'm just scrubbing through the—

Tommy: You don't have to watch it, you can just look at— I'm sure some other gronk, if I'm, if I was able to see it.

Mason: Here we go.

Josh: Okay, what, so you got something?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you gotta talk.

Mason: I'm what? No, I'm just, I'm just watching him.

Tommy: Okay, I can pull it up.

Josh: Let me just— No, it's all good. Um, I wonder if there's brand integrations with, with, um, space flights.

Tommy: Well, they're saying that this is potentially paving the way for Just gronks going up to space.

Josh: But I wonder, like, I wonder if they could find—

Tommy: Sorry, I found it for a second. Bob, this is a— There's a YouTube video. Douglas, Douglas G Hurley hitting his head while entering International Space Station. Like, that is on the world scale, world stage, and you do that.

Mason: And he's got a sore head. You can just see him afterwards.

Josh: Oh, dude, I do wonder about, like, dominoes. I wonder if they could pay a million bucks and get a pizza sent to like do a delivery or something like that.

Mason: Did you know there's a whole crowdfunded campaign that was meant to send porn stars into space for the first—

Jess: Really?

Mason: Space porno. Yeah, sex in space, first time.

Josh: How much did it raise?

Mason: Uh, they had to can— They had to bin it because they didn't get enough.

Josh: Did you get your money back?

Mason: No.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: I wanted to talk about the, um, the Black Lives Matter, the, um, the— what's it called? Blackout Tuesday.

Tommy: Blackout Tuesday, where everyone was posting a black slate on their social media feeds.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, uh, I feel like the amount of conversation that comes around, like, when you're doing it, like, the thought process— for me, the thought process is it's like Okay, I want to say something, I want to be supportive, I want to say the right thing, all these different things. Um, how did you, like, what's your thought process with these types of things?

Tommy: Um, I think it's changed over the years, not specifically to this matter, but things where there is a movement on social media, whether it be LGBT, you know, changing your profile picture or some kind of day that's celebrated, or, you know, made to bring awareness. And, you know, many years ago I would have been like, pushback isn't to the cause, the pushback is to everyone doing it because they feel like they have to.

Josh: Performative wokeness.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. And so for me, for this one, I posted, I did it, and I've been curious to understand more. And I understand, like, the behind the black slate on social media is to take time out to educate about these issues. And so I definitely have been doing that over the last couple of days, just listening to people who, um, much more intelligent than me, that are a minority themselves, that, you know, share sort of perspectives that I can't fathom. You know, you watch these riots and you get really uncomfortable. And I think the change in me is feeling like that uncomfortable thing inside me is, is why this needs to be done, is why these movements happen. Because it's like, what am I feeling uncomfortable about? I'm not the minority here. And so then I like question my internal feeling and the uncomfortable nature is seeing something horribly horrible happening. And then I just— my perspective has been this week, the feeling I have does not even come close to what minority groups and the uncomfortable lives they've been living based on horrible shit that's happened.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so that's where I'm like, I can't— like, I have nothing to say other than I feel something and I want to do my part. And, you know, I'm open to being told that I'm doing something wrong, which is that it has to be the way. But like, Amy and I have a conversation where she was listening to me talk about on Monday, I think, or over the weekend, there was something referencing sort of what was going on overseas. And she, she's like, I couldn't listen because I was worried that you'd say something wrong. And that's like, that's a fair point because there's a fair chance I say something that doesn't sit well.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: But I think at that point you can't go silent. You have to, you have to be okay with being called out, being, you know, told that that is not that is not right. Or, you know, or having the— Having the— Not courage, because I don't think it's that courageous to use your voice in some way to help something. It's like you just have to do it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so, yeah, it's a hard one to tackle. But then that's the privilege at that point where I'm like, it's hard for me to, you know, it's like, absolutely not. So, that's what I just keep coming back to. My uncomfortable feeling, you know, does not trump or, you know, compete with anybody who has felt uncomfortable because they're a minority.

Josh: Yeah. I think that also, if you think about my personality, it's like the pushback, right? I think like a lot of people out there push back to anything that's, you know, any sort of thing where people are just running to do it without necessarily educating themselves. And so I think that, uh, the pushback maybe that people go to is it's like, okay, this is performative wokeness, or you're just, you're just doing it to, um, for your own sort of points or whatever it is in, in the world. And so for me, it's around saying, okay, well, like, what are you reading? What are you consuming? What's the— like, you see people reaching out or, um, writing and saying are, you know, like talking numbers and saying, oh, we're at the lowest here we've ever been, like we're making progress. Like, to me, that feels a bit tone deaf when really we need to just be listening at this point. And so for me, I feel like in the uncomfortable nature of it, it has been switching from just consuming news to actually reading and listening to literature, like using Audible or whatever, stuff that's being written 2, 3 years ago on all of this sort of stuff. I, um, got, uh, was it, uh, White Fragility, I think it's called. Um, but just like, I wonder how many people that are pushing back on these things have actually read and listened to what's being said. And how much of it is just echo chamber, like, oh no, everyone's doing it. I don't want to, you know, be part of this crowd. I think that the other point is that we have to realise that we have been part of the problem. So, you know, someone had commented like on my personal one, it was like on my personal account, you know, you're a talk show with 4 white guys. And like, I understand that. And I think that part of that's part of the reflecting bit that we need to do, which is like we need to back it up with saying, okay, what are— what, what things are we doing to make sure that we have, you know, representatives from, you know, all the different sort of parts of the world I think from a— like, we've done that and had those conversations with women on the show, and we still haven't done a great job with that. Part of it, I also think, is like, where— when you're flying, we're just like running along trying to do this, you know, podcast. And I think that the privilege comes out more because you see that from a default, it's like, oh, like, a lot of our friends are white. Like, we don't have really that diverse a friendship group in some ways. And so I remember seeing someone comment, uh, saying, hey, uh, it would be great if you had more women on your podcast. And I took that in a really positive way in regards to, oh, this person thinks that we have a part to play in this. Whereas I think that probably before, I thought that we were such a small piece and not mainstream media and all that sort of thing, that like it seemed like such a luxury to be doing that. And that's like such a privileged thing to say. And so I think like for me, it's, um, I understand the performative wokeness element or the just doing a tile and then thinking that you've done your bit. But for our end, we're constantly communicating and thinking, okay, How do we become better in getting other voices on the show?

Tommy: I mean, it's being mindful of what is the visceral response internally. So, it is like, you know, you could be annoyed at people pointing out things, which I have been annoyed in the past. But I feel like I— You've got to be open and willing to understand and learn. And so, I mean, that's— What more can we do? Like, and I understand, like, I, for somebody who is a minority pointing out about things like us and other podcasts that are white guys, you know, that aren't doing their bit according, you know, to them, and probably rightfully so in some areas, it's like, um, how do you take, like, their pain is obviously at a point where they need to say something like that. And so I can't—

Jess: I've—

Tommy: my— what I can do is understand, I can work on how I respond and how I feel about things, and then how I act after that. And so, but that's all I've got at this point for me, is to like, how am I responding? What can I control?

Josh: And I think that part of it is things like tokenism that you want to try and avoid. But I think that— I think we can hide behind tokenism as a way of not going deeper or trying to explore those types of things.

Tommy: Trevor Noah, he did this great piece. I mean, he's just at home at the moment, just on his phone, just talking. Like, that is something worth listening. I mentioned Killer Mike, watch him. Trevor Noah. There's a bunch of other people that are just, you know, educating people from a perspective that isn't their own, that isn't definitely mine and a lot of my friends.

Josh: But I also think that the, like, getting bogged down in specific numbers or trying to pull things apart or trying to sort of divide or do things that aren't moving towards progress. Like, I think that that, like, if you're doing that, if you're pushing back on these types of things, why?

Tommy: Like, yeah. And I think it's like there may be a valid reason or there may be absolutely fucking no reason. You're outrageous. But it's worth actually stopping and asking why.

Josh: But even if there are the— even if there are small things where it's like, oh, there's been improvements here, or there's like that, like the word improvements, like, oh, like it's, it's such a, um, weird area that I just feel like—

Tommy: well, as the why though is beyond any of the specifics. It's like, why are you pushing back? Work that out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Doesn't mean I'm not looking at the result of that. It's like, that is a version of progress for people to fucking look at themselves and ask, why? Why am I uncomfortable? Why am I pushing back? Why am I trying to bring numbers to the, you know, to sort of push down the other side of the argument? Not to say anything is right or wrong. It's like there's a point before that that is probably quite positive in observing and doing that self-observation.

Josh: And I think that the biggest, the most confronting thing for me has been around the, you know, if you are silent, you are complicit in this whole thing. Because I think that part of— it's funny because I feel like there's been an evolution, because I feel like the early days we couldn't say, uh, privilege without thinking that we're going to piss off a bunch. Like, I'm comfortable with talking about privilege, talking about our own privilege. Like, if that— if you find privilege offensive, then that's probably your own privilege. Like, that in itself is the privilege that you're working with. But I think the bit that's been confronting is realising that there is that part of me which is like, oh, I could like not say anything right now. I could just like not do anything on social, like absolutely nothing on social media. We could not talk about it on the show. We could just be completely sort of in a bubble and not reference it at all. But the thing is, uh, and this is thanks to the movement, you go on Instagram this morning, like, that's what you can shoot. Like, we are consuming this stuff, uh, all of the time. And so for me, it's been saying, okay, let's just, um, like, what do I do? Where is it? Like, what, what is the impact that I think that I can make. And for me, I don't know much about anything. Like, I know some stuff about some tech shit. I don't understand a lot of things. But if we can bring the consumption of the content to— and that's why even like moving to things like The Agent, like just trying to get different perspectives and picking up books that are like completely— that could potentially completely tear apart your own identity. It feels like the thing that we can do right now.

Tommy: Do you think you get better at being open to change? And so, say you read a book and it completely shifts your perspective, or like, I think I've in the past pushed back on that stuff more so. And I feel like it's from observing myself, it's like bringing stats or like, nah, but it meant like, nah, but you can look at the specifics. It's like, it's actually just pulling away from the bigger point. And so, do you think you get better at becoming okay with shifting, being over here and not so rock solid in your thinking? And it's like, oh, I can, I'm malleable because malleable means I can shift from something that wasn't helpful to something that is helpful.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like part of it too is that we're never going to completely understand. Like, I think that there is that risk in trying to be like— I question my own reasons behind it. I'm like, are you just reading this so that when you're in a conversation with someone, you know all the words to say and how you can? And for me, it's more about— Yeah, I don't know. Like, it's not about talking more. It's not about saying like— Like, I think there's a lot of lecturing going on, which from a pushback perspective, I think a lot of people are like, oh, fuck you. Like, just because I'm not saying anything here doesn't mean that I'm a racist. But I think that if we take that on, if we're like, that's a perspective, I don't think I am, but what can I do to better understand? And maybe if they've read these things, which is leading them to this, maybe I need to read what they've read to come to some better understanding. Like, think about like what we were— what we learned of, you know, Australian history and things like that.

Tommy: Like, there's huge fuck-all growing up.

Josh: Yeah, but it's not only selective, but it's like completely, um, uh, like focused on a specific narrative which In 2020, being a bit older and being able to have a bit of— having a critical eye and ear on these things, it's like, um, like we also need to reflect on that. It's like, okay, in our humanities, if we're learning about James Cook and all that sort of shit, like, what did we learn about Aboriginals? What do we actually know? Um, and so I think that the— what I hope and what I'm trying— what I want to do Just like anything, just like a fucking— it's so connected to guilt. Like, you think about all the stuff I talked about with food and all that sort of thing yesterday. It's a similar thing, which is like, you, you want to try and make these things permanent, like you're trying to set up things. So it's like, I'm like, this isn't just something that we're going to do for a week. It's like Invasion Day, all these things, like, you know, you sort of have, have the mo— like it's a moment, it all, it happens, and then we sort of move on. But it's like, how do you actually move the needle so that we are actually doing better?

Tommy: I mean, there is some high-profile people in Australia saying some fucking crazy shit online, Pete Evans being one of them. Jeez. And, and, but what I appreciate about what Pete Evans has said, not that I agree with anything he said, is that it is a moment to think and go, you know, Wow. Like, you've either missed the point here or you've lost the plot. All these things, right. And so—

Josh: What's more, I think that thinking, the problem with thinking is thinking is based on whatever we know to be true now. And so, if all you do is think without changing the echo chamber that you're in, your thinking is still flawed. And so, that's why I think the listening bit is the important bit, which is like, don't just watch Sky News or Fox News or, um, you know, base the, the knowledge that you have on the prejudice that you were taught when you were younger. Like, that's, I think, the, the big bit. So it's, it's the, the critical— I feel like there's very little to lose to be critical of your own thought structure and identity in this time rather than trying to justify the position that you're in.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so that, like, I think that part of, like, the thing is that that means that we can't have this conversation without saying we need to do heaps in the way of, uh, diversity and all those types of things on the show. And I think that we will we are working out processes and things to make it just part of it. Like, it really— what it's— what we're talking about here is it's like, okay, if we go into our, uh, contact list, 90% of them are white people. And so if 90% of your contact lists are white people, then you've got a pool of 10% that you're pulling from. And so just based on what's naturally happening The other thing is, think about mainstream media. Think about the people that we've had on the show. Like, we are a media/entertainment skewed show where we have comedians, we have people who are on radio, who are on TV. And unfortunately, based on that, the pipeline that we're working with has all of those systems. And so that's where I think that we, we need to do a bunch of work in maneuvering. And, um, uh, just even from a— not even from an ethical perspective, but also just from an interest factor. I think that, like, to have entertaining conversations, it's way more entertaining if, if it's not just all of us agreeing and we have interesting people who have had different experiences to us.

Tommy: Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, it's, it's why I don't mind reading the bullshit that is online because it's, it is a, it's, it is understanding other versions. You have to be open to listening to that stuff, which is what you're saying.

Josh: I think like the, I think there is something divisive about getting all of your content from social media. Like, I think that like, so putting Pete Evans in the same boat as people who have spent their lifetime oppressed or trying to, trying to make change. I think that that's part of the danger too. And so that's where I'm like, actually, I need fucking books. I need where there's been some sort of editorial on this, where an expert has gone in. And the other thing too is then we can look at media from the critical eye and say, okay, this is what's happening now. This is what was being said, you know, in the book that I'm reading now, 2018, then we can— it's a lot easier to see the similarities or see the messages without the fog of politics and all of the other bullshit that goes on.

Tommy: I mean, lots of comments happening in YouTube, but we're not allowed to bring them in.

Josh: Not allowed to bring them We will. No, but we— I think if you have any thoughts on how we can do this, you know, sort of be a positive change in all of this, how can we as a show be from a process perspective, from a network perspective, how we can develop, send us an email at thedailytalkshow.com because I think that that's part of it too, which is like there's a lot of people who have been spending a lot of time in this space. And so just us trying to do it all without reaching out, I think, is probably a missed opportunity.

Tommy: ZFeed, follow that. Follow them on Instagram.

Josh: Crystal's smashing it, been smashing it with all the content.

Tommy: There's some, I mean, good, good things to understand from that page. Good lessons to learn. So give Crystal a follow.

Josh: What's also the follow it, like, I think that the following is such an important part. Like the just seeing, just having that on your feed and having it and just like, that is such like, what do we have? What do we have in the world in regards to change that we can make?

Tommy: Well, I mean, how much do we curate our feeds for comfort and comfort on a personal level, not being challenged politically or personally. And so, Yeah, like you're saying, the bubble is the effect of the echo chamber we're in is what we become. And so that is a good point of following people that you don't agree with, people that have different perspectives to you or have gone through things you haven't. Something I need to do. Like, I do follow a few, but yeah, you're definitely right.

Josh: Just because you just realize, like, I just look at, um, just like, definitely on that point around the comfort. Where do you go for comfort? And it's so unfortunate that it's like the privilege in— man, this is all so negative. Like, you know, like, is this— is this product— like, is this negativity— is it productive? And so then you go to— if I can watch, you know, Friends or you watch fucking, you know, you watch Jerry, like, uh, yeah, um, Seinfeld. Yeah, what was it, Jerry Seinfeld?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the main guy.

Josh: Oh yeah, but he's— the show was called Seinfeld.

Tommy: Real, real guy. But it's your dream, Josh Jansen. Yeah, TV shows, the telly show.

Josh: But I think, um, yeah, that's the, uh, yeah, the push. I think the big thing is the pushback. It's like, that's what this is. And the, the other thing too is the thing with everyone who's listening who has that same pushback, they're like, fuck off, Josh, because that's their instinct is to push back. I'm communicating this from my own perspective in regard to what I need to be doing.

Tommy: And pushback king is JJ.

Josh: And so the thing is, you look at the— and so it's— I understand, I understand the reflex that can, can happen where it's like when you— when all the privilege, the system, all of that sort of stuff is having a spotlight on it or is being revealed. And so I think like you look at what happened yesterday and you look at the, you know, Blackout Tuesday, it got a bunch of criticism based on pushing down the Black Lives Matter hashtag. And so if you were using that hashtag, basically it was sort of censoring all of that. Yeah. But I think that overall, if it's caused these types of conversations, if it, if it forces businesses to have conversations with their executive team and their social media team and say, okay, if we're going to do— if we're an organisation and we're going to put up a black tile, what is— what are we doing? How are we complicit in all of this? What are we— what, what does our diversity programme look like? So I think that even though it seems tokenistic I think that the conversations that we're having, if we're— if it's— I think it was a much bigger deal than what some people are saying based on when you make that decision, when you're saying, no, I'm not going to be quiet, I'm going to do something from a business perspective, from a personal perspective. That's then on you to actually see it through and make the change.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely. Um, I don't have the microphone, the megaphone anymore, but I've been— it's been confiscated from me. And I don't want Ben Fordham to be upset because he has—

Josh: we'll do it—

Tommy: fabulous radio show.

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: To take us out before we head off for the day, changing the tone to be aligned with it.

Josh: I feel like it's a bit too high energy.

Tommy: Yeah, you started high.

Josh: Uh, so what I'll do is, as part of the sponsorship, uh, as a naming rights Anytime we have an announcement, we say the sponsor first. Ben Fordham has a show, 5:30 AM, 2GB, you can stream. I would also suggest that this isn't coming from me as a piece of advice, but advice for myself. Maybe go out and read some stuff, maybe go get a book, follow some people of color, all of that stuff. And let's try and have a positive impact. On this world. Thank you.

Jess: Well done.

Mason: That's great.

Josh: Thanks everyone, and thank you Georgie boy. Enjoy Bunnings, JB. Uh, we'll see you tomorrow everyone, and please yeah, send us your emails hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you do have any thoughts on how we can, uh, move the needle and be a positive part of all of this change.

Tommy: See you guys.