Jase Hawkins, The Nicest Guy In Radio

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 401.

Tommy: I feel like I need to clap for some reason. We're into the 400s, and welcome Jase to the show.

Jase: Hello boys, congratulations on 400, mate.

Tommy: Um, bit awkward. Uh, Dill, pass it over. There was, um, you brought in wine for us to say celebration. Yeah, and I, uh, I was out on the weekend and I went to this place that was a, um, a wine— it's a winery, it's an urban winery and we were bottling our own wine. I thought, fucking, I'll do you a daily— the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Did you do the branding there?

Jase: Yeah, I know you used a texter and just—

Tommy: that's my wife.

Jase: I got a 5-year-old kid, it looks like that. If we're going to be brutally honest, here we go, the wine I bought in got sent to me.

Josh: And if we're to be brutally honest, I hadn't planned originally to give it to you. So the— I mean, that is a very radio friend thing. Anything, especially tickets You know, that they never actually—

Jase: I was walking out of the station and I was like, oh, what's that? And they said, oh, because this company's been sending us like those little wine subscription things. Oh yeah. And a box rocked up and I'm like, oh, actually I'll just crack it. And then I pulled a bottle of red out and then I went, hang on, I'll just cheque because it comes with a flyer of how much each bottle's worth. I'm like, I don't want to give them the most expensive ones. I'm like, $30, that seems nice.

Tommy: That is a nice bottle.

Jase: Yeah, well, there you go. So congrats on—

Tommy: This blend is actually made on Lygon Street in this winery that they have in this building where you can go and over the year you can mash the, you know, stomp on the grapes and then you can bottle it yourself.

Josh: Well, you have to go throughout the year and do it.

Tommy: Yeah, you do the process.

Josh: So you do this.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a lot of work, but you've got the version that, you know, just comes straight out.

Jase: So, and then you just whack a logo on it. I gave my sister a, remember when Julie Goodwin won MasterChef? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They sent out, I was doing radio in Brisbane at the time and they sent out Julie Goodwin cookbooks. And I'm like— and this is just before Christmas— and I'm like, scored, because I knew my older sister loved Julie Goodwin. And I didn't cheque the book, and I gave it to her. And then on Christmas Day, she opened it up and it said, "DB105, thank you so much for all the ongoing support, and thanks for supporting MasterChef." I was like, "That is great." Awesome.

Tommy: So Jace, you, you work, um, you're doing the breakfast show on KISS. I used to work in that same space. It's changed a bit. I just wish I had you guys, your team, when I was there, because the team that I had— I mean, other than actually there's some great people. It was just the on-air team, let's be honest. Yeah, it was all the behind. I was working with Simon Baggs.

Jase: Oh yeah, I'm sure you've—

Tommy: yeah, he's in Newie now.

Jase: Yeah, we've had a few big nights.

Tommy: Sonia, who is now EP of Kyle and Jackie O.

Jase: I didn't know she was down.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, she was there. Ali Longhurst. So we had a great off-air team. The on-air team, I feel like you guys are a radio duo that actually like each other.

Jase: That's what I get. Yeah, I think everyone's pretty surprised that Page and I. And look, you know what, I'll be honest, I think it is a lot more common now that radio teams are actually being friends. I think in the older days, when I first got into radio and I moved to Sydney— so I was a Brisbane boy, and then I started working with Carl Sandilands in Brisbane, and then he moved to Sydney and I moved down with him. And I had to panel the breakfast show at 2Day, and I was like, oh, so it's Wendy and Mooney? And they're like, yep, but they hate each other, and Mooney does it out of his house in Melbourne, and they've been doing that for 10 years. And I was like, wow. And like, I remember I'd be panelling the show and the producer would come in and they'd tell one person, then they'd tell the other host. And I was like, wow, is this what it's like?

Josh: So do you prioritise it then when you were saying to work with PJ, were you like, okay, we need to do, you know, every 6 weeks we need to go somewhere and have some form of like—

Jase: I'd like an ice tea and to be put into Bali. No, we do. We genuinely get along. We're very different people as an age gap and stuff, but we've sort of got a lot in common. Both families still together. She's got older brothers. I've got 3 older sisters. Both dads are currently going through cancer treatment. Like, we've— we're really different people. We have all this weird stuff in common. And then she— I started working with her in New Zealand. She's sort of just one of those people who doesn't like politics or get caught up in all the fights and controlling stuff in radio. And that was great for me because I used to be a control freak. So I realised if I did sort of become a control freak or all the team was yelling at each other, shit just shut down.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: So it purposely taught me where you just, you you can't be like that, otherwise you're going to get a shit show out of her and it'd be my fault.

Tommy: So you're not a control freak anymore?

Jase: No, not anymore. I've now surrounded ourselves in a team who like I really like, and then that's why when we got poached from New Zealand, I was like, we're not coming unless we can bring our team.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: So we bought our EP, a promotions guy, we bought this intern who'd only been with us for maybe 6 weeks. And you know when like you're working with someone in any industry and you're like, you can see something in them?

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: You know, you know they're still green and everything. And I said to the bosses, look, he's green, but like we'd really like to bring him with us. And he was like, okay. So this intern's only been with us for like 6 weeks.

Tommy: That's great.

Jase: Yeah. And I'm like, oh, we've got something to tell you after the show tonight. It's for your birthday. And he's like, oh, you guys taking me out for free drinks? No, it's not that. And then we said, oh, we've been offered this job in Melbourne. We're going to go. And God love him. He's like, so you're recommending me for the fill-in here? We're like, no, you're coming with us. And you can't— are we allowed to swear? Yeah. And I'm like, you can't fucking tell anyone. We've been sitting on this secret for 6 months. So he's gone home. He's at home pacing around the house, having an anxiety attack.

Josh: And he's ringing this guy.

Jase: I've got to tell I'm a mum, I've never moved from home, I've got to talk to someone about it.

Tommy: So there was a mass exodus at the radio station in New Zealand.

Jase: Yeah, and what we did is we told our bosses in New Zealand, look, PJ and I are going, but we didn't want to say the whole team's coming at that point. So every month, because it was about 6 months till we left, every month we'd send another team member in. And then it got to probably 2, 3 team members in, the boss was like, just let us know.

Josh: You did the other week, was it 50— how many hours on air? 57 or 56?

Jase: 56 hours on MRF. Your voice was so fucked by the end. It was like I sounded like I had one of those machines. Yeah, I got 2 hours ago. Um, we did it 3 times in New Zealand and it just sort of became what the show was known for. We really liked it. Everyone's like, why are you doing it? And I really liked that by 36 hours in you just forgot all the rules of radio, what you were taught, and it probably became the most real radio you ever do.

Josh: How much time did you have to use the dump button during those moments? Really? Okay.

Jase: Once. And I didn't hit it. A panel op did it. I was having a break and I was sitting on the other side of the desk. So we had like a young panel op in.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: And I said, fuck, and you should have seen his face. And I'm like, it was 4 AM in the morning. If you were ever— you didn't have to dump then. That was the one time. You just became real honest because like an interview would end and the interviewer would leave the room. And you know how normally you wait and you're like, oh God, that didn't go great. No, probably won't have them back on. You'd be like, all right, thanks very much. And because we're still on the livestream, we're livestreaming the whole thing. You'd forget. You'd just be like, well, that's the last time they're on the show.

Josh: That was, I think, my favourite bit of watching it was like you had the lavs on, like the lapel mics on or something. Yeah. And so it was the best moment. It's like watching Big Brother or something. It's like the best moments is when you're forgetting to turn your pack off or whatever and you just hear, turn the fucking thing on mute.

Jase: Well, it came, that came by accident. The first time we did it, we're like, okay, so we'll do 51 hours in New Zealand. And we're live streaming on Facebook and maybe 5 minutes before we're about to go to air, because the plan was whenever we're in songs, we'll just put the music to Facebook and then we're like, oh, hang on, copyright. Yeah, they're going to pull the livestream down. And we just, we realised 5 minutes to go. So we're like, we either don't do a livestream or we've got to leave the mics open for the whole 50 hours. And the shit thing was that with that was when you're playing songs, you couldn't have any music in the studio. So 57 hours we said we had to cut the monitors. So when you're in a song, you just Sitting there in silence.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of effort to put in. I feel like there's been shows that I've worked on, a lack of effort put in by the teams. I, I feel like if Josh and I had a radio show, we'd, we'd want to do shit like you do, fucking sailing down the Yarra River in a giant— was it flamingo or ducky?

Jase: Like a rubber ducky? Unicorn. Yeah, they brought out those giant unicorns and we're like, how cool, let's celebrate first day of winter. I got a stupid idea because God, it was cold.

Tommy: And George Kalambardis drops out. That's right, drops out.

Josh: Savlaki.

Jase: Yeah, we put him on a bridge because he canceled. He was supposed to come on the boat and then they're like, oh, George is—

Josh: so we—

Jase: yeah, for anybody to know, we got this giant inflatable unicorn and then we just said, let's go where the tide takes us. And then we just went down the Yarra first day of winter. And yeah, George cancelled about coming on and we're like, that's fine, can he go to a bridge and drop breakfast? And it was just that big hero moment, like, we'll tell you when to drop, 3, 2, and we're going onto the bridge and Yeah, he dropped and nailed it.

Josh: But how much do you feel like a producer on the show?

Jase: A fair bit.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: Yeah. Like, I work pretty hard with our executive producer, Alex. He's early 20s, old soul. You know, those people that are just sort of an old soul.

Josh: Mr. 97 is a bit like that.

Tommy: Definitely. How do you— what is an old soul though? Like, I mean, you can work out what comprises an old soul for you.

Jase: He's got more maturity than I do. Okay.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Jase: Like 10 years younger. You know what I mean?

Tommy: It's exactly what you are, 10 years younger than me.

Jase: You go, hey guys, here's an idea. And then they go, all right, come on, guys, we're grownups. Old soul. So yeah, like him and I work together on sort of everything and then the broader team will get involved.

Josh: Yeah, interesting. And so from the going from New Zealand to Melbourne, are you having to change much in regards to how you do a show?

Jase: No, we're pretty paranoid because we were doing Drive over there and we're just like, we don't want to conform to the breakfast radio model. You know, Paige and I now say unofficially our sort of show slogan is you're not going to get smarter from listening to our show, but it's going to put you in a great mood. Yeah. And we're really proud of that. You know, like, we're not going to be the show that's going to be breaking the world news to you this morning. But, you know, the feeling drive shows try and give you on the way home, like, oh, forget about work, you know, the day's done. That's what we're trying to do in the morning.

Josh: Because you said always awkward. That was the tagline when you first came in. Yeah, that was— who comes up with that?

Jase: We had that in New Zealand and then the marketing team really liked it and sort of pushed that. And we sort of let them run with it.

Josh: Yeah. And how much thought is going into that stuff? Like every single time there's a transition or a rebrand or a milestone, how much are you all over?

Jase: They'll sort of, they'll bring it to us. And if there's any big red flags and hindsight's a beautiful thing, sometimes you sit there going, oh God, you got us at a weak moment there. You got us after 3 briefs. It was 11:30 and you showed us a billboard shot. We're like, yeah, we look great.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: But yeah, like they're very, they're very open to feedback and stuff. If we really like this, there was one ad they played us and Paige and I were just like, it's just too harsh. Like, that's just not our brand. You know, we're not a Kyle and Jack's shock jock show. And they didn't run the ad. So.

Tommy: And so you worked with Kyle, you said Brisbane. Were you in Sydney with him?

Jase: Yeah. So I was 18, finished school, got work experience at Triple M. Just answering the phones for free. I was doing that for about 3, 4 months, and then Kyle took over the night show, and I did it for another 7 months. And then one night I fucked something up, he threw a CD across the room, said, what the fuck are we paying you for? And I said, oh no, I'm a volunteer. And he had no idea, and half the people at the station thought I was paid to be there.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And so he went into the boss's office the next day and said, all my live read money and bonuses, pay that kid.

Tommy: Wow.

Jase: And there was a couple of other people at the station that were like, yeah, he can have my bonuses too. And so the boss was like, all right, we'll start paying.

Josh: So you ended up being the best paid person?

Jase: The boss goes, I'm gonna put you on $135 a week. And I thought I won the lotto. Like, $135 when you've been working for nothing for 8 months.

Tommy: And so you got a nickname that was your old on-air name?

Jase: Yeah, they started doing, um, stunts with me, and then we just came up with the nickname The Lab Rat because, like, you know, science experiments and stuff. And God love radio. A nickname. I think nicknames cut through quicker. Yeah, but the problem is trying to shake them is just a fucking nightmare.

Tommy: So we've got 3D Dill and Mr. 97.

Jase: Yeah, joke's on you boys.

Josh: And Tommy and George.

Jase: They cut through better, but yeah, you're stuck with them. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, at the moment you're doing something about canteens.

Jase: Yeah, we're looking for Melbourne's best school canteen.

Josh: What I'm curious to know what you're looking for. In particular, I feel like when I was in school, there was a transition from canteens where you had all the awesome shitty food, and now it's like health-conscious.

Jase: Yeah, but see, my kids' school, they call it the Healthy Hut because it's 2019, but you can still buy pies and stuff. Okay, so I think it's more— it's give the illusion where it's 2019, we're looking after you and everything, but yeah, you can still buy. But you can get like gluten-free options now. They do have to Mate, they do an Italian day with arancini balls, gelato.

Josh: Gelato?

Jase: Like some schools— my wife went to this private girls' school in Sydney and they didn't have a canteen, they had a cafeteria, a cafe.

Tommy: Oh no.

Jase: With a barista. And then it came out, I think 2 years later, that all the coffee was decaf, but they weren't telling the students.

Tommy: That's so funny. I'm drinking decaf now and I can't tell if it's giving me a buzz or that's just like the taste is triggering. No, I usually do. I've had one today, but I just thought I bought like decaf, shitty decaf, because I'm like, I just want to try and reduce. How many coffees do you have a day?

Jase: Um, I go to Maya Mai in Richmond and he opens at 5 o'clock and I'll have an espresso while I'm waiting.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: And then I'll get a double shot cap.

Josh: Has this always been the way for you?

Jase: Um, and then I'll probably have like 2 instants through the show and then that's it.

Josh: Yeah, instance, like just cheap coffee.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what this is. Have you built out like a— is that your ritual? Like, and you have to stick to it every day?

Jase: Yeah, I'll go down there or like we'll sort of take it in turns. Most time I'll go grab the coffees Yeah, I'm a routine sort of guy.

Josh: Why are radio stations so unhealthy? Like when I was digital content at FIFA and Jewels and I would send so much shit.

Tommy: Yeah, I was just like, you're an 8K package.

Josh: Fuck, I wish it was all stereo. Yeah, no, I would have fucking like every time MasterChef had a new season, you would have cupcakes or whatever.

Jase: Giant Croquembouche.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: Fucking send in at 9:00 in the morning.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And you're like, all right, I'll have a little bit.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: It's the most unhealthy industry.

Josh: Yeah. How do you celebrate? Like, I can't remember, survey breaks and all that sort of thing. Didn't matter how we went. Oh, we get Nando's.

Tommy: Well, we're not— this is inside, but when the surveys came and the people around us were like, don't talk to Matt Tilley about the survey. He does. It's, you know, he can't, he can't hear anything about it until he finishes the show. I was always like, what a fucking idiot.

Josh: Tommy didn't have a great relationship.

Jase: No, but yeah, I'm gathering. How was your time at Kiss? Well, apart from the gon air people, everyone's amazing.

Josh: But what do you, what do you like?

Jase: Yeah, we, um, for our survey, we made a thing that, um, rather than the boss finding— because they normally find out like at 9 o'clock, and I think a lot of shows in the past would be like, they'd just grab the host and take them into a room, and if it was a bad survey, they'd find that, you know, you've gone, you've gone great with grocery buyers that wear red shirts, you're fucking through the roof, but overall you're terrible. Um, for us we get the boss to come in at 9 o'clock, but we get the whole team in the room.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: So we're like, if we find out we go down, they've done all the same hours that we've done, so there's no point us finding out in a room. Like, so yeah, everyone's in there— our promo guy, production, newsreader, anybody that works on the show. We have them in the studio when we find out.

Tommy: And what's, what's your feeling like going into those days?

Jase: Um, you know what, it's changed over the years. The old me used to really, really stress. Um, Now, honestly, normally I can feel it. Like, I reckon, you know, if the show feels a little off, then I've sort of prepared myself for, I don't know if we deserve a jump.

Josh: What does off mean?

Tommy: Because we talk about this, right? We go, I don't listen to myself too much about how I felt about a certain show because we sometimes have got really great feedback about that specific show. It didn't feel good to me doesn't mean that it was a bad show. So how do you actually determine the feeling versus the skill?

Jase: I think you get— to me, I get a vibe. Like, if people— you're catching up with people and they're not going, hey, I heard that bit the other day, or there's just not a lot of talk about what you're doing on the show. Or if I'm having a week where I'm driving home 3 or 4 days out of 5 going, oh fuck, we blew out there, or that interview wasn't good, or that stunt didn't go how I want, like, then there's just that feeling. And it's not just one show. It's like normally I might hit a 2-week patch I'll be like, oh, and then I'll come out of it. But like, when we just, we just had a really good book recently, and the stuff we did going into that was the 57-hour marathon. And just the team were getting along really well, ideas were flowing, um, we're going into holidays, no one was super cooked. Like, everyone, if I said, hey, holidays are canceled, oh, we've all got to stay on, I don't think there would have been a mutiny. Yeah.

Josh: Um, I mean, what about the online versus on-air can you be killing it online but be doing bad on air, do you think?

Jase: Um, yeah, I think I always feel for Em Rushiano when she did— she did Two Day Breakfast for a few years, and Em's got like a massive online following. Huge. And I think, um, it's very easy to fall into the trap of going, oh, this is working online, so it's going to work on air. I think the on-air audience is slower to catch on to something. To everyone's fixed in their ways. Yeah. Everyone's so caught up in their way where, you know, online, you know, you can easily, you know, cruise around, change shows you follow. So I think you've got to be careful getting caught up in the online following.

Josh: Well, because I think like I consume your show mainly through online.

Tommy: It's because you don't drive, mate.

Josh: Yeah. And so the thing is that like this morning—

Jase: You don't go home and just podcast the entire 3-hour show.

Josh: Yeah, no.

Jase: Commitment. But the thing is, you expect us to listen to you guys for an hour every fucking day now.

Josh: Well, I think, but I think you guys do such a good job that you get a sense of, like, I'll dive in when you, when I see something online, I'll then convert and say, okay, I reckon that's why we got the show here in Melbourne, because I don't think anyone was listening to our podcast or air checking our show in New Zealand.

Jase: I think it was purely that because we're doing video content and we're so selective about our socials. Like, we'll probably do only one video a day and then we'll treat the IG stories.

Josh: I feel like you guys do a fair bit of content there. I guess maybe it's just because you've got it dialled in. Like, I feel like a lot of stations. Like, I feel like whatever you guys are doing in the morning is reflected in the actual—

Jase: yes, sometimes. Otherwise we won't get caught up about— like, I think last night's video went up was maybe a week old. Okay, because the last week we've had so much topical stuff. And then, um, Friday show, there wasn't anything amazing that was topical, so we're like, oh, let's do one of the amazing videos we've had in the can for 2 weeks.

Josh: Interesting. So what's this— what's the chat on snippets? Because we're always talking about We create all these names for different things. We've got snippets, we've got snips, we've got like different lengths of bits and pieces. What's the, um, like, are you guys sitting down at the end of the show saying, I fucking love that video?

Jase: Yeah, or during the show we'll be like, hey, that's great for the story, that's great for Insta story, put that up. Um, and then we'll decide one video a day purely for engagement. We found that gets our engagement up if we treat it one video a day. Uh, we don't do much, if any, salesy stuff on our, on our show Facebook page. We treat it like Netflix. If you go to our show Instagram page, we don't want you having to go, oh, fucking meme, meme, photo of our lunch, or us pissed at a pub. Oh, there's a funny video. Yeah, we just want you to go there and see content, nothing but content.

Tommy: We've got them. If you get them once, whatever someone sees— that's why it's like doing teasers for stuff. Yeah, is a hard thing to do online. Like, I struggle with the teaser thing for radio.

Jase: I know it's a part of it, but I haven't seen a tease work online. I just haven't. And I know a lot of the old school bosses are like, oh, you know, or what are you eating tomorrow, blur it out and put up 7:10. Like, I wouldn't watch that and go, well, I'm listening tomorrow. Yeah, post the video tomorrow night when you've revealed what we're eating and just enjoy the content.

Tommy: If you've got one chance to have someone's attention and that's all you got is the blurry photo of the pie, yeah, that's a missed opportunity.

Jase: You might watch the video of us eating the pie and think, fuck, that's funny, I wonder what else they're doing. And then it's so easy to just get trapped in the social vortex and then you just start going through their old videos.

Josh: Definitely.

Tommy: How much do you think the radio listeners changed?

Jase: Um, I think, I think everyone's just ADD now. Everyone's just so, so quick. I was listening to, I don't know the name, I was listening to someone talk on a podcast the other week about a Netflix format in the States. I don't know the name of it, but basically it's only recently started and it's worth quite a bit and it's not full shows, it's just snippets of shows.

Josh: Yeah, so it's targeted at people who—

Jase: and my wife and I have this conversation all the time— it'd be 20 past 8, be lying on the couch, and we'll go, oh, what do you want to watch tonight? Oh, let's not start that show because we're not going to stay awake for a whole lap. So people lying in their bed, they go, oh, MasterChef, I can watch it in 4 and a half minutes. And it's trending out, and it's all the shows or topical storeys or viral videos, but everything is short.

Tommy: There's a book version of that. It's someone— they've taken, you know, Gary Vee's book or Eckhart Tolle's book, and they— it's a 30-minute the best bits, like the Cliff Notes. I mean, you'd be pissed if you're the author, wouldn't you? Oh yeah, I want them to get the full context.

Jase: When I heard about that, it's like, oh, editors, writing, all the work that goes into a TV show, and you're editing it down to 3 and a half minutes. A friend of my wife's a teacher, and she was saying, um, she caught the kids the other day at school listening to a podcast on double the speed.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And she goes, how many of you do this? And they're year 11 students, and 90% of the class.

Josh: Yeah, it's true. Well, because I've noticed that I've started doing that more specifically around audiobooks. And it does change. It changes it from something to enjoy to just, I need to consume like a bit of a junkie.

Jase: But I'm sad.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You're looking at it from a numbers perspective. If it's 30 minutes, you can get it in 15.

Josh: Well, there's a gamification of the whole thing. Like especially I remember doing that with books that have just come out, just being like, it's sort of a weird thing to think about. I was like, I wonder if I could be one of the first people in the world to finish this audiobook.

Tommy: There's a—

Jase: What a title.

Tommy: There's a hack on Macs which I remember in 2012 you could do. It's like a command and it brings up only trailers. So on Mac computers there's a command and it brings up like a trailer section so you can browse through trailers.

Jase: Interesting.

Tommy: Of all the latest movies.

Josh: Well, I find like with YouTube on the TV, I've like stopped doing that because I even sent you a screen grab of what my Sunday viewing looked like.

Jase: That was sad.

Josh: Yeah, I could just get it. I was checking out— Well, I can just go. It's so easy to click through, like especially when it's on a TV. TV, I could get 3 hours in an evening. Oh yeah, of just like going through and being like, oh, what's being recommended to me? I'll click through.

Tommy: Yeah, Andrew Schultz, who's a US comedian, was trying to make it and get a Netflix original. He's like, fuck it, I'm gonna film my own original and I'm gonna sell it in. No one watched it, no one wanted it. But then he cut it all up and he said his viewing time for his stand-up, like, people were watching 2 hours back to back of clips that he was— snippets that he was putting up, but no one would watch more than 20 minutes on Netflix. And that's what Netflix said to him. Yeah, no one's watching more than 20, 30 minutes of specials, so do a shorter one.

Jase: But how many videos do you watch where if you go, oh, watch that, and then when it loads up— like, I know about you, but I will look at how long it's about to go. If I got 2 and a half, I'm like, oh yeah, this— yeah, I'm almost 20% checked out.

Tommy: I mean, I'm, I'm on a video then swiping to see the comments, so I'm listening to the video but then reading comments.

Jase: So you won't even see the footage?

Tommy: Depends. I'll watch the first little bit, then I start just getting into the comments section because it's always where the funny shit's going on.

Josh: Uh, this is a loaded question. Why are radio stations so shit at YouTube, do you think?

Jase: Because they want all the content housed on their website.

Josh: It hasn't changed. I remember it was stereo, it was like Ooyala, like upload, make sure you upload it to Ooyala.

Jase: What is that?

Josh: Ooyala was like, I think it was bought by Telstra. It was like so they could do their pre-rolls and shit like that.

Jase: Oh, there's so much, there's so many like platforms and stuff. I've sold over my career where I'm like, okay, we're not hosting the videos over there anymore, and now we're over here.

Josh: Make sure you upload to Wonky Dukes, you know, the fucking new Australian startup Wonky Dukes.

Jase: But we'll go— we spend a lot of the time, or like once a year, every 6 months, we'll sit down and really go through our video stats and being like, okay, drop-offs 30 seconds in. So like, we'll really look at our videos and be like, nothing over 60 seconds unless it's amazing.

Josh: Is there still a push for people to go to the website?

Jase: Like, I remember back in the day it was like, yeah, no, no one will.

Josh: Yeah. And do you— I'm curious, your digital content producer, I remember when I was working on Fifi and Jules, it was like 50% that and 50% The Dirt. I'd have to write these fucking dumb articles.

Jase: No, so we've got someone else. Yeah, that's a new guy called Jacob. Yeah, unfortunately for him, the way he's doing that, but he's just moved down from Brisbane. He's a good guy, so it's like, it's a perfect job to get into.

Josh: Is it a conversation though where it's like, are you having to say to the CD or someone like, we need someone full-time working on the show, or does that not happen?

Jase: No, we've got our own video guys full-time, and that was from day one.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Jase: Yeah, so actually I think a lot of the stations have gone that way now where they'll have separate people who are sort of operated by not necessarily content, but more, you know, video, and then they'll be responsible for just doing the website articles. But most shows now have a dedicated video person.

Tommy: Josh, you and I, we're in the clickbait era. Like the real thick of it. It was like 2012.

Josh: It was like pixelating stuff.

Tommy: Click through.

Josh: It was when Facebook actually, you had reach on Facebook organically.

Jase: And they'd be like, put 10 seconds of the video on Facebook and the last bit will be like, now go to the website to watch. And no one's going to do it.

Josh: And the best bit about it was that Ooyala at the beginning wouldn't load properly in mobile. So everyone would click on Facebook and then it was—

Jase: and then you'd sit through a 30-second Nando's ad before you could watch the video.

Josh: I think it was the pre-roll video. It was fucking up the rest of it, but they needed the pre-roll.

Jase: I think as much as they'd love stuff just hosted on their websites, I think radio stations have realised now if you're not just putting the videos up on social, you're not going to get the attention.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, does that mean from a financial point of view it's going to get tougher? Like, I guess they saw that as a way of monetizing the content. How do you think, how do you think the Daily Talk Show, without having a radio station, without having a sales team, What do you think if we're doing this 7 days a week for the next, you know, 8 and a half years, what does that look like for us, do you think, in making money?

Jase: I remember Heyman Ant, because they owned all their videos. They obviously did their own sales deal with, I think it was like Big M Milk.

Josh: Yeah, Dare Ice Coffee.

Jase: Yeah, Dare Ice Coffee. And then so they just put the Dare Ice Coffee little logo and sort of tease bit at the start of every video. So they sold, hey, you own all the videos for 12 months or whatever.

Josh: Have you— has that ever been a conversation? I remember H&A being one of those first ones where it's like, remember at the radio station they'd be like, oh, we can't post anything like H&A control all that sort of stuff. And I feel like the radio stations start to realise if we don't own some of that talent content, we don't actually really own anything.

Jase: Like we own all our socials, Paige and I. And then so we get, say, if they want to post something on the Jason PJ Instagram page, we've like us and them have to be in agreeance to it. Yeah, that's why.

Josh: I just can't.

Jase: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, it's outrageous to think that radio shows like breakfast shows will change the RSS feed from one. Like, say if you've got like a new breakfast show, you just— you— I get that you would want to use the existing one that you have, but if you go to any breakfast show, if you go to any breakfast show that's changed, heaps of one-star because you've literally just changed the whole show for the listeners.

Jase: It's like, oh cool, I get to inherit the 50,000 followers that the old show had. But guess what? The 50,000 followers are going to fucking hate me because I'm not the old show.

Tommy: Well, we've talked about You talk about radio stations being that, you know, they have their own audience. Fox, Kiss, we— they've all got a specific audience. And you come in as talent, the show, and are now speaking to an existing audience. So they know the demographic, you know, time spent listening. But then you guys also need to connect with them. You've left an audience in New Zealand. What was the learning coming to essentially someone else's audience where you had to—

Jase: we said at 8:10 the first day give us a go. Yeah, we were really honest. Well, like, anyone that's listening to the show now, um, was listening because it was the old team.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: So we just said, uh, we got on 10 past 8. I think we did at 6 as well. Um, wasn't our decision to replace the show. Please don't blame us. Give us a go. You might like us, you might hate us, but you know, this is a really big deal for us. We're excited to be here. You know, give us a go.

Josh: It's full-on, isn't it, to think about like that process? It almost reminds me there's a lot of comedians that won't do corporate gigs cause like it's not their audience and essentially going into a breakfast time slot is like going to a corporate gig where it's like you're having to win over a crowd that isn't actually going to see you.

Tommy: Well, I think when you like for us building an audience from scratch, you start zero. It's Josh and I and we don't know how to articulate to an audience because there's no one there to speak to. Right. So we're, we just talk to each other and we committed to building up that relationship. But then it starts to make more sense when you start to see people engaging in like putting faces to it. What's, what's the—

Jase: you're starting at the bottom though. When you're, when you're starting with no audience, you know, anybody that's joining you is liking the content, otherwise they're not joining. Compared to taking over a radio show where no matter what it was rating, there was an audience there. Our job at the start is not to lose them and then build on it.

Tommy: But I think it's inevitable you'd lose some because you're not for everybody. That's okay. But you're— the platform of radio is for everybody. That's almost what they're doing.

Josh: I mean, you have two levels. You've got the radio brand filters and then you've got your show brand filters. How much time do you spend trying to align or picking ones where it's like these? What made you a Kiss show, do you think?

Jase: We're definitely not as— I think the brand Kiss in Melbourne is different to, say, Kiss in Sydney. We're not as Hollywood, we're not as showy. Like, when we signed on, we're like, guys, we're not Kyle and Jack Breakfast with the Stars. Paige and I are fucking terrible with celebrities. We don't go to events where— I remember we're in, uh, you're really radio people. Yeah, just radio people who, like, if we get invited to an event, firstly we just go, yes, free booze, or like, and then we'll go awkward conversation. What are we going to wear? We're not that crowd. I think we're in Vegas for the iHeart Festival a few years back and Tove Lo came along, a singer, and I thought that was the record rep. So I said, we're going to pass on the interview.

Josh: Thank you.

Jase: But I thought it was a rep.

Josh: I didn't know.

Jase: Oh, you fucking asked on her. Yeah, we're just— we're not that sort of show and we're really upfront with them. And to their credit, they've— they said, look, we'll back that. And obviously in the back of my mind I'm like, oh God, yeah, radio stations say that. And then as soon as they get you there, they're like, okay, cool, we're gonna get your makeover. And, you know, we've got Tom Cruise booked for show number one. Um, but they've been really good. They haven't, you know, and no doubt, because it's taken us a while to start getting ratings, no doubt there would have been meetings where they'd be chomping at the bit to get involved, but they haven't.

Josh: What's the importance of news? Like, because you hear about breakfast shows, it's like when people get their news. Do you have to— how do you go from being a drive show and then having to deal with, like, if some, some of the— if there's a fucking terrorist attack or something happens and all of a sudden you're in, you know, you're behind the microphone.

Jase: Yeah, look, people will disagree with this, but Paige and I have said unless we feel connected to it or genuinely have an opinion, we're not gonna hit the topic. Yeah, we're not gonna hit it so we can go, cool, that was the biggest storey today, the mayor wants to, you know, rip up Bourke Street. If I don't give a shit about it and Paige doesn't have an angle, why go 710? What's your favourite street in Melbourne? Like, just to tick the box?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

Jase: Like, then you touch what— at this point we're getting away with that.

Josh: Yeah, I'm sure, you know, if something big happens, like, I remember saying, like, I watched a doco the other night which is like radio's response to 9/11 and had all grabs from New York and how they were doing it. It's like, I guess at that point everyone has to—

Jase: if it's something—

Josh: it's like Howard Stern, all that. Like, they're having to— how do you think that you would—

Jase: how—

Josh: what's the brand filter? How would you guys do it? Differently.

Jase: We normally, if an idea comes up, we'll go, okay, that's the radio way to do it. And then we get so turned off by doing it that way that we'll just stay in the room until we come up with a way that's totally different.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: And not different for the sake of being different, but just Paige and I just, just, we just so get turned off by doing things the predictable radio way.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, one of the big predictable ones that Tommy talks about, because he spent a bit of time in Shepparton and, um, being on air—

Tommy: not in jail, there's a jail just outside there—

Josh: but the, um, Having to like being a duo and having to play the other opinion on something. So it's like you've got a topic, you got to take one side, you got to take the other.

Jase: Yeah, but even that, like, and Paige and I were only talking about this the other day. We're like, oh, do we hit it? Because we both believe that. And I'm like, that's fine. Yeah, that happens in a conversation. You guys might have exactly the exact same opinion about the issue. It doesn't mean you won't discuss the issue. I think just that's such an old school way of thinking.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And I still come across some old school programmers where it's like, guys, it's okay, we can have the same opinion. Debbie in her car. Might not have that opinion, so then Debbie will probably ring more.

Josh: Yeah. Have you ever said anything on air that you've changed your mind about but then actually felt like you needed to address it?

Jase: Um, there was something recent. Uh, what was it that at the time I didn't— it's gonna do my head in. But anyway, I've changed my opinion on that topic. I'll remember it after.

Josh: Pineapple on a pizza.

Tommy: Um, look, we don't want to do it in the fridge. I fucked up.

Josh: I meant barbecue.

Tommy: I mean, this guy puts peanut butter in the fridge.

Josh: Yeah, that is outrageous, to be honest.

Jase: Yeah, yeah. Um, but I've wanted to correct my thoughts on it, um, and I will, but I'll wait for the topic to genuinely come up in the news again.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And it'll do my head in. I'll remember it later.

Tommy: I mean, are you not— are you putting your opinion out there, do you think?

Jase: Like, I think, I think the older I'm getting in radio, the more Like, this is probably the real— the most real radio I've done, just because Paige and I have a great relationship. We trust each other. Um, because I trust her, she knows parts, and I'm happy to take the piss out. Like, um, like, I'm thinning, right? My hair's thinning. I started doing the club balding pills, which I'll write down.

Josh: Oh really? What are they?

Jase: I went to Ashley and Martin and paid.

Josh: Do they give you a fucking hairy back or some shit?

Jase: No, I went to Ashley and Martin like a few years back in New Zealand. It was like 2 grand. I'm like, cool, no one's gonna know about this. And because I was just starting out there, so Paige and I didn't have that really close relationship. And then one night she babysat my kids and she saw balding pills on the counter and she didn't bring it up.

Tommy: Oh no.

Jase: Or maybe like, you know, a while after that. But by that point we'd formed such a good relationship and we're arguing about something one day and she goes, why are you on balding pills? This is on the show. But I didn't get offended because I was shocked. I thought, fucking kudos to you. The radio part of me was like, good for you. You saved that for the right bit. But because I trusted her and I was in such a really good place in the radio show, it was something that normally I was so freaked out about, you know, and was embarrassed about that I started talking about it.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: So I think as I've, as I've spent more years in radio and when you find the right host where you feel comfortable and you trust them, I think then you talk about more stuff. Well, now it's a running joke, you know.

Josh: I mean, people still take them, by the way.

Jase: I just started last week again.

Josh: Really? Did they work?

Jase: Well, no, it did. It thickened it. So you You got to take a vitamin and this little quarter of a tablet every morning, and then you put drops on at night.

Josh: Are you an ambassador or something?

Jase: No, no, no. Here's the thing. Then I ran out of the tablets. I'm not coming back to Ashley Martin spending like, you know, $2,000. And then I was at a doctor's one day and I was talking to him about it and he goes, oh, I know the tablets, I can prescribe them for you. And here's the drops, you can just get them over there.

Josh: Like a generic version of it?

Jase: Yeah. So I just got them from the doctor.

Josh: And so what's the—

Jase: what do they actually Well, they can cause low sex drive, which they haven't done for me. I know other guys that it's ruined their sex drive for them, so they've gone, screw it, I want to have sex, so I'm going to be bald, and they've given up.

Josh: Interesting.

Jase: But yeah, it does, like, it regrows the hair, and then the tablet you're having stops the hair from falling out.

Tommy: Is it, is it chemical? Is it like a natural occurring vitamin?

Jase: No, there is a chemical to it.

Tommy: Um, any side effects?

Jase: No, I haven't, I haven't felt any.

Tommy: No.

Jase: That's me.

Josh: Well, I actually bought tablets online once, so like I was, I was reading— this was before it was— yeah, it's before I knew that it was like, before it was like commonplace that you would get scammed for tab— like those sort of things. But it was— I read this Men's Health article that said Hugh Jackman used this combination of Garcinia cambogia, which is like an Indonesian fruit.

Tommy: Um, he's done more live reads for this thing.

Josh: I've mentioned it a few times. And a thing called Testostrong. Which was like testosterone. And so I bought heaps of them.

Jase: What did it do to you?

Josh: Well, I read, uh, like, I read the Bodybuilder— yeah, thebodybuilder.com forum, and someone said— there was literally only one mention of Testostrong, and it said, um, the only thing Testostrong will give you is an erection. So I didn't bother.

Tommy: We're, um, taking one of our—

Josh: I had so many of them because the way they do it is it's like You have to buy it in bulk. Yeah, you buy it in bulk, you get a good discount. So I had fucking 4 of each.

Tommy: One of our arcs that we're going to get off the ground at some point is, um, testing who has the highest level of testosterone in the room.

Jase: Oh, I like that.

Tommy: And so we're going to get a blood test and we're going to fight it out between the 4 of us.

Josh: We're going to cheque for everything else as well. I think I've got low iron.

Jase: I want to put the whole team on Viagra a few years back in New Zealand and then just do the old Seinfeld quote. Who can hold out?

Tommy: Is there anything you've done, because the times have changed, you've been in the game for a while, is there anything you wouldn't ever do again?

Josh: Well, you were around the time, you would have been at Austereo when they banned prank calls for a bit.

Jase: Yeah, so when all that went down, I was in Big Breakfast, and it was just after that that the job in New Zealand sort of came up. And I'll be honest, it was a fucking scary time to be in radio in Australia. Like, you're watching everything you did. Everyone was watching, just waiting for you to slip up. So that was part of why I was like, you know what, it's a bit full-on, I'm just gonna go to New Zealand. When I went to New Zealand, mate, there is no rules there. Really? Like, none. I was like, oh, I should really sit the radio codes meeting. And they're like, oh, we'll get you the flyer. And it was like, you know when you go to SeaWorld and they tell you what time the ski show's on? And I've opened the flyer and it was like, you know, the speech bubble, and it'd be someone saying drugs, and it just put a big red X through it. And it'd be like, don't plug drugs.

Josh: Booze.

Jase: And, um, no delay. Really? No delay. There's a team over there called the ACC, um, and they call the cricket commentary, and it's broadcast on iHeartRadio. So it's not on radio, it's on iHeart, so it's digital. They get away with it a lot more. But when I went over there, it was like the Black Caps were playing, and I walked past our boss's office, and I'm like, oh, what's wrong? And she goes, I'm listening to the ACC, um, they've hit rain, so they've stopped play. And I'm like, yeah, right, what's wrong? She goes, oh, they're playing prescription pill roulette where they get out a bowl. And the show's really funny because they've got that dry sense of humor. They don't laugh a lot, but they're like, all right fellas, you know, rain play, balls out in the middle, prescription pill roulette. And they'd all pull out whatever they're on at the moment, like, or just in their life, and they'd say what it is and you'd hear them drop it in the bowl. And then they'd rattle the bowl and everyone would take one.

Tommy: That's great.

Jase: And then they'd keep calling the crickets. And then half an hour later you'd hear one of them go, he's out. And I can't feel my leg. And they honestly meant it, and then they'd keep going.

Josh: That's so funny. Yeah, what was some of the riskier stuff that you've done?

Jase: I dearly deported was, in hindsight, just this harsh asshole thing I came up with in Brisbane years ago, and I think a couple of the other stations did around the network, where we found someone whose mum or loved one is overseas, and then we would fly them back. And you'd pull back the curtain and be like, there she is, your, you know, girlfriend you haven't seen in 5 years. We're going to ask you one question. If you get it right about your relationship, she'll stay for an hour. You get the second one right, a day. Third one right, she'll stay as long as you want. You get them all wrong, curtain shuts, and they have to go back. They have to go back.

Josh: That's so good. And so how did it, how did it end?

Jase: Oh, you never want to be getting all 3 right.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: So most of the time it was like, you want them getting getting like one right so that way they've got an hour. You want them winning at about 8, so then 9 o'clock they have to say goodbye in the show.

Josh: It's outrageous. I mean, how do people reach out?

Jase: Like, and that was like, but I was— but when you're young, you don't care. And you go, oh, edgy radio, how good is that? And you drive home in your car going, oh, that was hilarious, what a funny day. And these poor fucking people are in tears, you know. And I, I think radio's changed a lot now. It's like the— it's a MasterChef era, a lot more feel-good. Yeah, you know, that's why I think LEGO Masters worked so well this year. There's so much like Married at First Sight and all that shit. And then when LEGO Masters came on, it was like, oh, isn't this nice? Just a show where no one's trying to root each other. Or it's probably why Ninja Warrior works too.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Is it a challenge creatively to not sort of go down those paths?

Jase: Um, not for us because we're just not that sort of show. Yeah, we love the brand cheeky, not nasty.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I like that. I mean, you're sending out, um, drivers to go and get pies from country, country bakeries.

Jase: That was great. Like, there was a bakery, was it Two Hours, something like that, just out of Melbourne, and they got awarded best pie. And we're like, okay, well, who will go and get it? And I think someone said, oh, we've got to pay this listener who's going to go and get it. And I'm like, we don't, we don't have to pay them because they want to be a part of the adventure. Yeah, we can be cheeky. We can say, come on, Barry, you're taking too long, he got the wrong pie. We can give him shit about it. We're not being nasty because he signed up to the adventure. We're just being a little bit cheeky.

Josh: I mean, what's been, uh, your favourite storey arc that you've done of all time?

Jase: I love the marathon shows. Yeah, to me the marathon shows are the best way to bring the station together because you're on there 57 hours, every team works on the show. We normally get an Airbnb near the station, so if you finish the shift or not working, teams are going and sleeping at the house and then they're swapping and they're waking each other up. It's okay, you're on, and people go like— it's just, it's the best morale boosting exercise to do.

Josh: Is it just tempting to do it all the time then?

Jase: No, because Paige hates it. Yeah. And then PJ for a month afterwards, because she's a health freak, just exhausted, will be like, oh God, my heart's got hurt. Yeah, I think I'm gonna die. I think I've got long-term effects.

Tommy: You had a doctor there?

Jase: Well, yeah, so we did doctor checks, I think from about the 12, 13 hour mark. We went and get full medical, got full medicals leading up to it.

Josh: We had the most amount of testosterone, although I didn't test for that.

Jase: I think, you know what, I actually think it's the healthiest 3 days of my life that year. Because we don't drink any coffee, no sugar foods, no junk food.

Josh: This is beforehand? This is during— during—

Jase: really?

Josh: We just— I swear I saw you order a latte or something on the livestream.

Jase: Like, we had one this time around. We did a coffee each morning because routine. That's what I was used to. But when we didn't in dry bounds—

Josh: his routine—

Jase: no coffee. If baby needed his routine, we should have been having red at night. But yeah, this time we had just a coffee each morning because because that was the routine. But we just didn't do any uppers because it would just be such a down. Yeah.

Tommy: And, and physically, did anything actually happen to you?

Jase: Like, no, I had a— was it 14-hour sleep at the end of it? Yeah.

Tommy: I think PJ had a really long one too, didn't you?

Jase: Maybe 17 hours, something like that. Yeah, we were done at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, I was in bed by 4 and I slept through until 6 the next morning.

Tommy: That's crazy.

Josh: What are you consuming, like, audio-wise? What radio shows, podcasts, what do you listen to?

Jase: Um, listen a bit of you guys, listen a bit of Hey Man Ant. Um, I listen, I listen to specific parts of different shows. Like, I like Stern purely to listen to his interview technique.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And I try and learn out of that. I don't really like the show in general with the shock tactics and all that sort of stuff. So I'll get different things out of different shows. Yeah, TV podcasts, behind the scenes, that sort of stuff.

Josh: The interview stuff's interesting because I guess what we're trying to do is Conversations, not interviews.

Jase: Yeah.

Josh: And like the hard— I guess the balance is that that sometimes means like it's listening, but it's also not trying not to do question, answer, question, answer, question, answer.

Jase: I think personally interviewing is my weak spot, is what I need to get better at, because then I sometimes get too much into the conversation and then afterwards I go, fuck, I got so much into the conversation. The conversation was great, but there's all this shit there in the news about at the moment which I haven't asked about.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: So I go too much into the conversation.

Tommy: But you're also in the game of having it succinct to 4 minutes, like, which is, which is a— that's the challenge for you as an interviewer, right?

Jase: It's like, what do I need in 4 minutes? I need to, uh, make you at ease. Yeah, warm you up. Yeah, I need to extract all that information out of you that's really personal that you're probably not going to want to talk about. And we've had some interviews get really bad.

Tommy: And doing it in the right order, right? Yes.

Jase: And you want to do something zany so you're different than everyone else. We had PJ's gonna hate me bringing this up. We had, um, Dua Lipa come in last year, and she was like one of our first interviews at KISS. And just, we launched the show and everything's so busy, and someone was like, you know, Dua Lipa in tomorrow, what do you want to do? And we're like, okay, well, let's do two ideas. One idea was, um, I sent off a fake record company email to a regional show. Yeah, I've been shipping it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: Um, and I said, hey guys, you know, Jamie here from the record company, would you guys like 10 minutes with Dua Lipa tomorrow? And they were like, yeah, it's Dua Lipa. And then when we were going to get her in and we did this, um, I rang as the record rep and I'm like, I've got Dua Lipa here, about to put you through, here we go. And then they'd be like, hey Dua, and they'd chat to her, how are you today? And then I'd jump in and go, sorry guys, no personal questions, please just make it about the album. We're Chin Radio, just like, Jesus, yes, we'll make it about the album. And they'd be like, okay, sorry, Dua, are you enjoying your time in Australia? And I'd go, guys, again, I don't want to warn you, like, whatever she's doing in Australia is personal. 'Please make it about the album.' And they got the shits, and it was a great call.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Jase: But then also we played a game with her, and thank God it was a pre-record. PJ came up with this game. We're like, 'Yeah, cool, give it a go.' Porn star or politician, where we'll hold up a photo of someone and they're either a politician in Australia or a porn star. And wow, did she get offended really, really quickly. And all her like entourage are in the other room, and they were fucking ropeable. And then afterwards they're like, 'You can't air any of it. You can air the 2 minutes we talk about the album.' What about the Pauline Hanson bit?

Josh: No, no.

Jase: And we're like, 'Look, you know, we realised that was a shit idea. We're sorry about that.' Yeah, but the prank call was amazing. Can we do that? And they're like, 'Nah, we'll have a think about it.' Is this like—

Josh: so it's an Australian record company or whatever? Like, surely—

Jase: no, they were like, 'Nah, like, um, she's very much managed out of the UK.' Really? We, we edited everything up and sent it to him going, 'Look, you know, we talk about her in a good light. Porn star, politicians, long gone. Yeah, but they're like, nah, no way.

Josh: It's crazy.

Tommy: You're gonna try these ideas to see, you don't know.

Jase: Yeah, but in hindsight it was like, you know, you pick the reaction straight away. And what did we do? We pushed on with another photo. And then we're in like guest jail for a few months, you know. Here's these young guys that have just come from New Zealand, they're in a market with like your Eddie Maguires, your Fifi boxes, who the the fuck do they think they are playing porn star or politician? And I'm pretty sure I heard, um, that some record reps were ringing other record reps to let them know. Yep, saying don't take this in there.

Tommy: Fuck, how annoying. You spend 15 hours a week doing radio. How do you— I mean, there's a lot of hours left in the day, but how do you find you live a life? Because you can't just be consumed with the job and the con— you know, being in the studio and all that shit. You need to have some kind of—

Jase: It's an easy trap to fall into. You sit there going, okay, I got to go out and live now. We could sit here and brainstorm all day, but it's like, if I don't go out and live, I don't go down to Coles, pick the kids up, go for a coffee with a mate, nothing else is going to happen. What do you do? We do have weeks like that though, where we'll go, it'll get to Thursday and Paige and I like, fuck, we got no personals. And then you're like, because we haven't done anything.

Josh: Does it become a bit like the— where we find it is if we start talking about podcasting too much, if it's just like, oh yeah, like it's balanced.

Jase: Or you'll sit there and go, I've got a funny storey about the kids because that's all my life has been.

Tommy: I said that to you, my son, this morning.

Jase: Oh, enough of it.

Tommy: 2 and a half years old, lying back, nappy on, and just said, my dickie big. What are you doing? He's trying to take off his napper and he's like, my dickie big, and he pulls his nappy down. He's got a fucking full chub.

Jase: How old is he?

Tommy: 2 and a half.

Jase: I cleaned the house yesterday.

Josh: Here we go.

Jase: All day I cleaned the house and I'm like, all right, it's done. There we go. Because again, routine. I'm like, I want to start the week. And then I just hear, oh, Dad. And I'm like, what's wrong? And he goes, I pissed on the couch. I'm so into Peppa Pig. And he's pissed over like 2 cushions. So there I'm washing the whole couch down.

Tommy: How old's he?

Jase: He's 2 and a half, 3. Okay. 3.

Josh: You just, you were in Bali. What is it like taking the whole family? Is it?

Jase: We book the nannies and make sure they're available before we book the hotel and the flights. We use the same nannies every time. So they've known the kids since they were like 4 months.

Tommy: That's great.

Jase: So then that way the kids see him and everyone's like, God mate, you're going to Bali every 6 months? And it's like, yeah, because it's cheap. It's a 6-hour flight. I'm not doing anything longer with 2 kids.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: And you just know it's easy.

Josh: Yeah, it makes sense.

Tommy: What does your wife do?

Jase: She works in radio as well. So when I met her, I was a drive announcer at Today FM and she was a Black Thunder pilot. And then PJ went through my list of exes and said, Lou was a Black Thunder pilot, Today FM. Before that, I was dating a girl called Amy who's a Black Thunder part 92.9 in Perth. Anna from NXFM.

Josh: A lot of street team.

Jase: Abby Coleman from SAFM. Because like, that's what the only place I was was the bloody radio station. So yeah, she works in, um, she works in sort of sales and programming, so she deals with like all the sales briefs. She's a really creative.

Tommy: At your station?

Jase: Yeah, well, yeah, but she's based on the Goldside. Okay, so we don't really see each other.

Tommy: How's that having, you know, that's inside the bubble as well, right?

Jase: Yeah, I personally, I don't mind it because we don't really deal with each other directly. We did it a bit more in New Zealand, but I find it's great because then she understands. Like, she gets the hours, she gets that, you know, because just back before to coming up with different content, and like you guys were saying, you might just be talking about podcasting all the time. Sometimes I'll sit there and go, Lou, I've got to go out to something this Saturday. I've just got to go and do something because that's— I've got nothing else going on.

Josh: What is your default in that scenario? Where do you go if you're feeling like a bit stuck?

Jase: To me, lately I've been trying to do stuff out of my comfort zone. So if it's something I don't normally want to go, the opening of something, I'll go, fuck it, I'm going to do it because I know it'll be awkward. I'll get anxiety about it and it'll be something different I haven't spoken about. If it was up to me, I'd just go to the bowls club in Hampton every week with Del for a bit. But you know, I can't be talking about the same stuff.

Tommy: What about like, I found myself Speaking to somebody, uh, this young kid at the gym, I asked him why— like, he has— he's basically— the locker opened and this magazine he had was like the Fitness First magazine of a guy on the front cover. And he said something, oh, it's, it's, um, it's not my magazine. And I could tell that he was probably thinking— he's this young kid thinking, oh bloody, oh, he's this gay guy. He literally was thinking that. And I asked him about it. I was like, mate, why'd you think that. He's like, look, I just don't want you to— No, but I was like, that's why I don't go to the gym.

Jase: I go straight back into the shower.

Josh: Tommy loves it. Tommy loves—

Tommy: Turned out this kid loves the chat and he wanted to chat, and that's probably why he's sparking up, you know, random conversations, because I've seen him just chatting to everyone. He's this 16-year-old kid that goes to the gym at night. He's like talking to me about his hard day.

Jase: And look at the content.

Tommy: The thing is, I do these things because I'm like like thinking, okay, maybe this will do something for me. Which I guess it's— even if you don't have a podcast or somewhere to share, it's like, it's actually a good mantra to sort of put yourself out there a bit more.

Jase: I'll hear some people go, oh God, go on holidays and that's it, I just switch off. And it's like, I don't think if you're really into podcasting or radio or creating content, I don't think you can switch off.

Josh: You're always listening.

Jase: Yeah, like something happens in Bali, I'd be like, oh, quick, grab the notes on my phone, jot it down. And you might jot down 50 things. At the end of a holiday, you're sitting there and go, shit, shit, shit. Good. But I don't believe people who really are content creators can go I'm going to switch it off and not notice anything.

Josh: I mean, it is that Tommy and I talk about all for content. Have you ever had a moment in your life where you're like, I'm actually trying to like, this needs to just be a moment and I don't, I shouldn't be creating content around this?

Jase: Yeah, I think I went through a stage in Brisbane. I'd been there for like 7 years and it was one of those situations where it was just too many bosses and everyone had a different vision of what the show was. And this one was like, we need to, and it was very stunt-y at the start because I was like 25 when I got it, which I just think was too young. To be a breakfast show host, like you haven't lived enough. And then they're like, okay, it's been great, it's been stunt-y right now, let's be emotional and heavy stuff that you're dealing with. And I was like, oh, the fucking heaviest stuff is I can't afford drinks Saturday night. And then I think mum and dad, one of them was sick, and like I remember doing this yarn about, oh God, they're old and they're sick. And like I remember just in hindsight thinking, Christ, I was trying to milk that. Yeah, they're old, I want everyone to feel—

Josh: Do you reckon you go the other way now? Like I've heard you mention your dad a few times and it feels like it's like 'Your dad's going through cancer stuff at the moment, but that's all good.' Like, I feel like you then sort of upbeat it a tiny bit.

Jase: Um, no, I genuinely feel like that now. I, I won't sort of— I won't put like sugar on it or talk it up. Like, at the moment, Dad's going through cancer treatment. He's really positive about it. If that turns to shit though, I'd be completely honest and say, you know, things aren't— like, Dad will ring me because he does a segment on the show every week, and he'll get up me going, 'Hey, if you're not bloody ringing me for my segment, I'm not dead yet.

Josh: I want the airtime.' Do you find that that's changed the— your relationship with your dad going through all that stuff?

Jase: Um, yeah, not really. Dad and I always had like a really good relationship. Maybe like, you know, if I ring him and chat about it, I'm not just going to make that the context of our call. Yeah, I'll chat about it. Cool. Nothing else has changed there. Well, whether you're going to live for another 20 years or another year, let's not spend all our time dealing with that.

Josh: Yeah, I remember saying to my girlfriend, Bree, I said, like, we had to go to hospital to see someone. I was like, I don't really like hospitals. I don't like funerals. And she's like, you know what? I was like, what? She said, no one does. Yeah, I think that's interesting. I think my nana and pa did. They love the spread, then fucking get obsessed with like fucking the wake. They actually asked my nana and pa, the other side of the family, someone had died and they asked like the white lady funeral person if they could take some sandwiches home. And they said, oh, we keep that for the family.

Jase: They said to like They said to white ladies before the date, do you know the menu yet?

Josh: Exactly.

Jase: I went to visit my nan. She was, um, she's passed away now, but she was in like a nursing home for her final years. And I remember going to visit her one day and like, I'm trying to joke around with the nurses whenever I go there. And I was looking for a park and I couldn't find one. I put the window down, I screamed out to one of the nurses, what's going on? Is there a party? Where's my invite? And you could see her like, and she comes up and she's like, no, no, someone's passed. There's a funeral on today. And that's why there's a lot of family and friends here in the car park. Park's busy. And then I had to back out with my hazards on and the hearse is waiting to drive in.

Josh: Oh no.

Jase: And I was just like, oh.

Josh: Have you ever had— I've had a moment where it was like the first date I ever went on with Bree. We're at a film festival and it went from— it was the first time I knew that I got hives from it, from stress sometimes. But I actually got welts from— there was a— they had all comedies and then they changed the tone completely on us without any warning into some really serious film and it was a full cinema and I just started laughing out loud and I couldn't stop. And Bree's just grabbing my arm just like, shut the fuck up. I ended up having to leave the cinema and I looked at my, I looked at my arm, I just had welts. Have you, have you ever felt—

Jase: We've got to be careful with that because our team has quite like a sick sense of humor.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: And I was only thinking about this the other day, we were joking about like really inappropriate stuff and then I We've got to watch that because when the whole team has that sick sense of humor, yeah, no one's there to balance it out. Yeah. So we might sit there and go, oh cool, that's the tone we're going to take with that topic. But then you've got to go, hang on, we're all a little bit fucked up. Not everyone's like that.

Josh: Have you ever caught yourself, like, have you ever been in a situation where something has been extremely serious but you haven't helped but getting the giggles?

Jase: No, no, I'm not that much of an asshole.

Josh: Okay, it's really definitely stress. If I've got a high level, if I'm doing something that I know this is a super serious thing, the anxiety that I have is that I almost am psyching myself into laughing. Really? Anything, if anything happens. My nana did a little trip at like my pa's funeral going up, and it makes me just like, I can't fucking help it, but just have a bit of a laugh.

Tommy: Well, I swear when I get a bit nervous, I tend to swear more. Yeah, I did it at my wedding. Jules Lunn said he does it on stage when he's emceeing.

Jase: He starts getting a bit swearing.

Tommy: Yeah, I've seen Nervous and swear?

Jase: Yeah, like every now and then. Or you'll have that go-to gag you'll go to, you know, and then what is it? No, no, don't say you can't reveal you're in the middle. Oh, you'll get up, you know, if it's a movie premiere, who wants free stuff? And everyone cheers, you're like, oh, fucking scurbs! And then everyone will have a laugh and you'll be like, cool, all right, now we'll move on and then show the movie. Got you on my side. Um, I've definitely made like mistakes in the past purely by, um being uneducated or finding something funny where, you know, I wasn't thinking about the consequences. Like last year we're talking about baristas and all the different types of milk that people order, and then I was just like, mate, if I was a barista and you wanted like almond milk and you wanted like— I can tell you now, I'd be a fucking full cream, and I'd be very surprised if people know the difference. And we're joking around about it, and I spoke to a barista on the air and I'm like, come on, be honest, you know. And then that night, and it was the only time I've ever really, um, had the small feeling of what it would be like to be part of a scandal. I was sitting at home at night with my wife, we're on the couch, and all of a sudden my phone started like notifications going off. And I've logged into Facebook and it was someone that had ripped off the audio from the show that day and they'd put it on Facebook groups of parents that deal with kids with allergies, lactose intolerant. Not your audience. We're not massive in the allergy world.

Josh: Um, guys, I didn't say You'd say that was a good snippet.

Jase: But like, and it was just, who are these people? And then full-on storeys like all night. I remember the next morning I woke up to go to work and there's messages of like, here's a photo of my friend's child that died because of Analogy. I hope you're happy trivialising this.

Josh: And don't cry over spilled milk.

Jase: Yeah, that was the reply, just cut and paste to everyone. And that was probably the only time I came into work, and this is last year, so like we're in this big market like Melbourne, we're up against massive names like Kitty And Paige and I just looked at each other and we're like, fuck, what are we doing? Like, this is, you know. Yeah, because you don't actually care that much because the thing is like, we wouldn't have done it if we knew that was going to offend that many people. We were just mucking around. And then it was like, fuck, this is the world we live in now. You do one, you say one comment like that, and I get it. I get why they'd be upset and offended by it. But wow.

Tommy: The Thinker Girls, Christy, did this post about how when you go to a pharmacy, how long it fucking takes to get your script. What are they doing out the back there? There.

Jase: Pretty cool.

Tommy: And I've experienced that, and I actually thought, oh yeah, that's pretty funny. It's like, I've complained about that, what are they doing? But then that was it. There was a news article in the paper written about it that, you know, what are they doing? Oh, it's like, you know, we have to be selective with the medicine. It's like very important.

Jase: So the news article was ripping into her comments about it?

Tommy: Yes, because then they got like pharmacists and nurses and, you know, people jumping on. It's like, I mean, you've been— we've talked about something about like, uh, missing an eye or something, Josh, and you've been the sensitive one of saying saying, but there's people out there with no eyes. But the majority of people have eyes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so when are we gonna go— we can't ever say something about like missing an arm, but we're not talking, you know, like if you've—

Jase: but I always find it's the things that you don't think they're going to cause. Like we played body part bingo one day where we all got a bingo card for the show, and I might have arm, um, uh, left leg, um, finger, and basically ring now if you're missing a body part, and you tell us the body part, and it's like bingo. If you ring up and go, I'm missing left arm, I'm like, awesome. Okay, cross out left arm, and whoever fills their card first goes body part bingo. And not one call. And when we said give us a ring, like, not one complaint.

Josh: Not one person.

Jase: Give us a ring if you're missing a body part, and phone lines lit up because they were like, yeah, this is great. So what's the difference in this? I— it's the ones you don't realise that are going to upset people.

Josh: Yeah. One of the things I was thinking about earlier, whenever we have guests on we're not very good at making it our normal show in regards to talking about some of the stuff that's going on. Do you find that? Like when, if you've got a guest on, I remember hearing conversations on Fif Angels, how do we inject our show into a guest chat or whatever it is? But do you find there's moments where like if you've got arcs or whatever, how do you sort of—

Jase: Well, to be honest, we don't take many guests. Yeah, we really don't. And then what I'm finding is the guests we take take, um, will constantly take the same ones.

Josh: So like Matt Preston, they become friends of the show.

Jase: And, and then like Matt Preston's in tomorrow, obviously for MasterChef, but we're doing the search for Melbourne's best canteen. So I guarantee whatever we do with him, yeah, which we're yet to brainstorm, will be our storey arc related. It won't be let's spend 4 minutes just talking about MasterChef.

Josh: I remember with the canteen stuff that there was— because a lot of the canteens, I don't know if still the same way, but they're run by like third-party companies, like contractors. Like when I was a student represent— when I was a student representative council member, of course I was the president. I was the youngest president ever.

Jase: Yeah.

Josh: And so I, uh, I was spearheading— I was actually— I actually found— I actually found a badge, guys. Of course I did. But no, I, um, I actually took— I was just looking at my email because I've got every email since 2005. I finished school in 2008. Other than— I've got every email other than the last— I've got every email other than the 2 weeks of Hi The Daily Talk Show that we didn't get.

Jase: You've got every email since when?

Josh: 2005.

Jase: And so my inbox is 2000.

Tommy: Oh geez, that's anxiety.

Jase: 1990.

Josh: Yeah, it's good.

Jase: It's my inbox that I haven't checked.

Josh: And so do you— is it all spam?

Jase: Yeah, it'll be free Lemmingtons in the kitchen. Yeah, come and help me sell. I always think like, because I fucking hate people who'll be like, okay, cool, so we'll organise that with Cam. Cam's sitting 3 metres that way, but they'll send him an email. I'm like, come on.

Josh: Well, there's a big thing, there's a big movement with that within tech because they're like, people are working remote, and so water cooler chat, they're like, if you want to have water cooler chat, have it on Slack, which is like instant messaging.

Tommy: Then you have to go back and sift and—

Jase: when you're part of a group chat and then you're coming late to the gags and you're gonna be like, I mean, you're late to the party in that 2,990 emails.

Tommy: You know what, I figure if it's something really important, yeah, they'll call you, text you.

Josh: Yeah, you know, I appreciate it.

Jase: They're never gonna say you're fired on email. They'll find you.

Josh: Well, so anyway, I thought this was interesting. This was from 2005, 13th of July 2005. I was using a programme called IncrediMail, which would allow you to add great sort of templates, and this one says good morning.

Tommy: Yeah, and it's like a game of moving up and down. You're ready.

Jase: Ahead of the time.

Josh: And so I, I sent this email to my teacher, which, hey, Miss Troc, here's one idea for an SRC thing: cheaper and healthier food at the school canteen. And I said, cheaper and healthier food is very important at this time with so many obese and unhealthy teenagers.

Tommy: What were you weighing at that age?

Josh: I was 110.

Jase: I was 110.

Josh: I peaked at 120.

Jase: Really?

Josh: Yeah. So I'm like 92.

Tommy: Um, a few eating disorders, but like probably a side effect of the balding pills.

Josh: No, It was definitely—

Jase: I'm gonna munch on them.

Josh: It wasn't that. I did— fuck, I did so many. I dropped like 9 kilos with keto. I worked on a film that was about juicing, like juice fast. I did, oh yeah, 2 days of juice— sorry, 2 weeks of juice fast. But I fucking hated the green juice.

Tommy: I mean, you could just say you stopped eating fucking kilos of lollies.

Josh: No, but it wasn't even that because I was still like— when I was in VCE, I'd fucking like I would fast all day and I was like, I was calorie counting and I'd have like a packet of Natural Confectionery Company. So it wasn't that, it wasn't super healthy.

Jase: I would eat, this is so degrading, I on average I reckon I'd eat, um, 500ml of ice cream a night.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Well, you hide your chocolate.

Josh: That's half a litre. Yeah, that's, that's why I said 500ml because it doesn't sound as bad as half a litre.

Tommy: Don't you hide the chocolate in the car?

Josh: You're still doing that?

Jase: No, no, that was a very small, I'm not normally big on chocolate but then We got sent this Dara Lee chocolate and Lou's like, put it in the fucking car, don't want it in the house. And then like Lou, my wife, goes through this thing where she'll eat during the night. So she now puts all any chocolate and stuff in the house, she'll put it in the kids' bedroom because then at 1 o'clock in the morning if she wakes up craving it, she sits there in her mind and goes, if I go for that, I could wake up the kids and have to deal with the kids.

Josh: We were literally talking about her going in there the other day, like people who sleep eat. Is it at that level? Is she like consciously doing it?

Jase: Yeah, um, not consciously. Like, in the morning she'll go, I feel like shit because I got up and—

Josh: yeah, and had chocolate. Like, ate.

Jase: Yep.

Tommy: So that's why we're not sleepwalking.

Jase: Or is she? No, no, like, she, she knows she's awake, but she'll go and eat in the middle.

Tommy: Sure, she needs that hit.

Josh: But she didn't put the iPhone alarm on for it, like, it's 2 o'clock, here we go, got a little slow cooker going, a little sneaky snack.

Jase: So we won't keep, like, chocolate and stuff in the house, or we'll hide in the kids' room.

Tommy: Yeah, it's hard. It's— I mean, if it's there, but ice cream is my weakness.

Josh: What sort of ice cream?

Tommy: You keep buying it, mate.

Jase: Like Ben Jerry's.

Josh: Oh, we had Ben Jerry's the other day. It is a good— they do, um, like, you know, the brownie one, the core.

Jase: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mate.

Tommy: You know you're doing all right if you got Ben Jerry's every night.

Jase: We're not all at the gym pumping iron like you. It is got a funny storey from the gym, guys. Yeah, we get it. Go to the gym.

Josh: Bit of Fitness First banter. No, but what I wanted to— what I wanted to— we'd been working out how many episodes— we've done 400 episodes.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jase: Congratulations.

Josh: Thank you. How many episodes do you reckon? Or how many shows do you think you've done? Because we get impressed by 400. Yeah. So let's do the math now.

Jase: I've clocked up 20 years in radio this year.

Josh: Fuck. Congratulations.

Jase: So yeah, this will be my 20th year because I got into it when I was 18. I probably got my first drive shift show in Perth when I was 22. So, so 15 years.

Josh: I can't do math, by the way. I was thinking to myself, fuck, he's 48 on average.

Jase: I'm not fucking 48.

Tommy: What about 40 years?

Jase: 40 weeks a year? Let's say this: 7 years in Brisbane, 3 years in New Zealand, and 12 years.

Josh: How many shows are you doing a year if you can take a holiday? 45 weeks.

Jase: 6 times 5 equals 225. So it's about 40 years, 2,700. Yeah.

Josh: Okay, sure. That's a lot of shows.

Jase: So buzz me back.

Josh: Yeah. Well, no, so this is what we work out. Well, so what we worked out was we said we're going to do it for 10 years. Yeah, that's our plan as a goal.

Tommy: And so we started in January '16 last year, but we'd never worked out how many shows will we have completed by the time we hit that 10 years.

Josh: How many would have Okay, so at the moment we're at 400. Uh, it'll be January 16, 2028, which makes sense, and we'll have done 3,500 episodes.

Jase: Pretty cool, right?

Josh: Yeah, on the, like, the exact amount, which I thought was cool.

Jase: I guarantee you, you know why it'll be successful? Because no one else will do it. When we got the job in Melbourne, we were like, like, um, we cannot compete, um, with massive names. We are not known. We're nobodies. We're up against Fifi Box, Chrissy Swan, Sam Payne. They're all on TV shows, you know, Fave, all that. So we were like, the only thing we can try and beat them is by working harder. So that's why we'll do 57 hours on it. That's why we'll go down the fucking Yarra on a unicorn in winter, because I don't believe the other teams are gonna do it or they haven't got time to do Do you have a positive outlook on radio, or how do you think radio is going to change? Oh, everyone's trying to work that out.

Josh: You know what, you're overthinking it.

Jase: For the first time, I'm not overthinking it. Like, the younger me growing up, I was like, okay, so I'm going to go to Perth, I'll do 2 years there, then I'm going to go to Brisbane, then I want to move to there. This is the first time in my life I'm sitting here going, we're contracted till the end of next year. What happens after that? Who knows?

Josh: Do you and PJ have conversations around like like this show could be if Spotify was to say, hey, we're going to give you X amount of cash to come on and do a show through that. Or remember Beats 1?

Jase: Remember Apple was like, yeah, that's right. What's his name? The Kiwi DJ.

Josh: It's interesting.

Tommy: Yeah, that was—

Josh: it's strange though, because it feels like such a long time ago, but it really like Beats 1 sort of 2 years, if that. Yeah, it didn't really become much of a thing, but it feels like we're evolving and other things are happening.

Jase: It will go that way. Yeah.

Josh: And so have you had that conversation?

Jase: I think the future of radio, the only thing I definitely agree with is I think the future of radio is shows. It's shows. It won't be breaking songs or music formats and stuff. I think the future of radio will be like Netflix. It'll be shows all the time.

Josh: Were you ever a music jock?

Jase: Yeah.

Tommy: You gotta start there, mate.

Jase: Terrible with like breaking up.

Josh: Do you have any interest in that sort of stuff?

Jase: No, I was more of a content guy than music, to be honest. Like if I come out of a song now and I'm like, oh, that's a banger. Everyone in the team will laugh at me.

Josh: Fucking good on you, mate.

Tommy: I mean, the team you've got, is it sustainable to last 10 years, you think?

Jase: 100%. PJ and I are different in the respect that, see, I'd sit here and go, cool, I'm happy, let's lock away 10 years. Where PJ's one of those people where her boyfriend's in New Zealand, her dad and family are in New Zealand. So the idea of locking in something too long-term freaks her out. So out of respect to that, we're like, Hey, we're contracted to the end of next year. Just wait till the end of next year and then see how we're feeling in life. And then like we did in New Zealand when it was coming over here, we'll go out for dinner with Paige, me, her partner, and my partner. Because it's a partner's decision as well. And we're all going to sit here and go, okay, how are we feeling? And lucky for us, we all get along, which is great.

Tommy: Well, I think being some of these young shows, they're getting put together. They've got different missions.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so unless it's—

Jase: which is so frustrating.

Tommy: It's a different position if next year, end of next year, you guys have been killing done it and it's an amazing offer.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, what are they going to be looking at?

Jase: I mean, you know, at the end of next year, you know, her family might need her home or the boyfriend can't move here, um, and she might go, oh, relationship's more important than— I think vision-wise what we want out of the show, 100%, we're on the same track there. It's just more where we're going to be at in our lives at that point.

Josh: Have you ever thought about what it could look like? Like, I was listening to Craig Bruce's last Game Changers episode, he was talking to Bean from Kevin and Bean, and he was like, that guy has been doing a show for a market that he hasn't lived in for most of his, most of the show's life. Do you think that you could do something like that? What do you think?

Jase: Like if you were to modernise the show, I could do the show for a market from a different market. From Bali. Definitely. Yep. Yep. Bintangs. But I definitely couldn't do the show in separate studios from Paige. Like when we're in New Zealand at one point, we're about to have our second baby, and I think there was maybe a job offer or something back in Australia, so I was looking at going back. And the bosses over there were like, sign on here, you can do the drive show from Australia, and fuck, we'll give you a 5-year deal or whatever. And it was great financially, you're setting stuff. But the idea of me going into a booth and knowing the rest of the team are in a studio having fun over in New Zealand, I'm in this little booth watching him on Skype, I was just like, no, no way.

Josh: So I don't, I don't mind that. I like the idea of like, imagine being in a cottage though, or maybe for you in like a villa in like Bali.

Jase: You know what, I'd used to having a producer.

Josh: Imagine if you had like the producers can come every 6 weeks or whatever and set up the team there. Yeah, but every day.

Jase: Yeah, you couldn't allow— I did one show out of Brisbane the other week and I hated it. Yeah, just being by myself.

Josh: Is it because like no resources? Like I feel like when people do that, people like, though, okay, you knew where you had to go.

Jase: Like they had called the producing team for the local show up there and they were helping me out with stuff. But it was just, um, Paige said one day, it was, it was the penny drop moment, like when Andy said The People Show, Hamish and Andy, and they're like, oh my God, that's our show. Paige said one day, we could have the most, um, under-prepped show, but if the vibe's right, the show will be amazing. Yeah. Um, we could prep the hell out of a show, and if we're all a bit off, that show is shit.

Tommy: I think it starts feeling like a job when you just have to go into a booth.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you're not around the people.

Jase: Yeah. And then you're doing it for for the money. Yeah, you don't have to pay the bills and it's not long term.

Josh: I still think I like the idea of being in a booth on my own potentially.

Jase: I mean, like, you guys should set up a curtain for 10 episodes and just see how it feels where you can't see each other.

Tommy: I mean, we did 100 episodes while Josh was traveling.

Josh: That's right.

Jase: Yeah, it was pretty—

Josh: I mean, so that was annoying because I was in a hotel. I didn't have guaranteed, but if I had fiber, like a real fast connection, and I had like, we had fast thing and then I could just go off. Part of it is because like I was talking to Tommy about it. I think it's— we do client work still right now. That's how we pay the bills. And I think what I'm envisioning is, uh, not doing that. Like, I think part of it is like the booth signifies the day that we're not—

Tommy: what's the life you're living though, though?

Josh: Well, because I would want to go for walks and shit.

Jase: So it's like, yeah, I was imagining you do a 1-hour show, you've got 23 fucking hours to go for a walk.

Josh: You get a lot of ideas.

Jase: Then what are my amazing ideas, mate?

Josh: Like fucking living in Colorado or something. Have you ever, have you ever thought about living overseas?

Jase: Yeah, but we need this paid for first. These arms cost $3,000 for the arms.

Josh: We're still paying off the arms.

Jase: And then we'll worry about a chalet in Colorado.

Tommy: I think it's something you do when you've got shitloads of cash. Yeah. We've cashed out.

Jase: Yeah.

Tommy: And now we're just—

Jase: Well, the show's been just amazing Hamish and Andy standard for 10 years. And then you're like, all right, we'll kept it.

Josh: So maybe, maybe at episode 3,500, when you do the booth, then I do the booth. Yeah, I get it. Like, it sort of, it sort of makes sense.

Tommy: So it doesn't feel like a job for you?

Jase: No, no, absolutely. And I've been on shows where it has in the past, um, not because of anyone's fault, just, you know, you've run out of time.

Tommy: It's always someone's fault, mate.

Josh: It felt like a job. I mean, he still works in the building. He's giving—

Jase: uh, sure.

Josh: Uh, is it the same building?

Jase: So when we—

Josh: oh no, he's over.

Tommy: Yeah, down the street.

Josh: Fuck him.

Jase: Yeah, but I used to like Because when I was doing Breakfast in Brisbane, if we'd fly to Melbourne, you know, we'd see Matt. And I always got along with Matt fine. But then when we got to Melbourne, we're going around looking for schools for our 5-year-old. And when we're going to one school, my wife goes, don't mention what you do here with the interview with the principal. And I'm like, why, you ashamed of me? She's like, no, just let's just try and get into this school. And we went in and then the principal goes, oh, so, you know, what do you do? And I thought, oh, fuck. And I'm like, oh, work in media. They're like, oh yeah, what do you mean? I'm like, oh, radio. And he goes, oh. And I said, oh, Breakfast Radio.

Tommy: Radio.

Jase: He goes, oh, what station? I said, oh, KISS. And he goes, oh, Matt Tilley's a good friend of mine, so you've taken his job. Oh man, you could have heard a fucking pin drop. And my wife looked at me like, well, we're not doing the tour here. I mean, because my son does not go to that school.

Josh: I mean, because the thing is that you— it's not your decision, right? This is— and this is— or was it? And so So like, do you think that that's, you know, when people come into new markets and all that sort of thing, like, I'm guessing like people should just have more empathy, I guess, for the fact that like no one's fucking deciding who go.

Tommy: Like, I think it's the old school. I think you are, you've been in for 20 years, but you've seen more new school than what I've dealt with of the old school radioheads.

Jase: I think going to New Zealand was the best thing for me. It was like, honestly, it was like a new lease on radio. Life.

Tommy: And you lost your nickname?

Jase: Lost the nickname. Enjoyed radio a lot more. I was around a younger team who was sort of— New Zealand was a bit more innocent to Australia. Like, over there, you know, big names in radio aren't treated like big names. You know, if you were kingpin of the station, you're the breakfast show, if everyone was going to an event, we're all on the fucking minibus. You're not in a high car or anything like that. So there was no sort of egos or anything like that. So when I went over there, it was a really a nice fresh change.

Josh: Why, why do you think there are egos within radio?

Jase: I don't know, maybe. I mean, there's, there's a lot of big names in radio now who don't just do radio. That's the other thing. They're big TV stars. They're, you know, they're not just radio people anymore. Yeah.

Josh: But in saying that, does Australia have TV stars? Like, in some regard? Like, I just don't think of that.

Jase: I don't think of like, you're on TV, but I don't know, like, yeah, but I always think we sit there and go, but we're in the industry or we're inner city living. I always say to my team, I'm like, you know, to us us, we might think, you know, oh God, Hugh Jackman's done this. This is the biggest news in our world. It's like, I always chat with my sisters when I go to Brisbane because they're a bit older. Two of them have got kids and they're in the burbs. Like, half the storeys that we think are big in entertainment, they would have a fucking clue who we're talking about.

Tommy: Sure, they're thinking about Manu.

Jase: Yeah, yeah. Which Manu to them would be like, yeah, oh my God, Jesus Christ has walked into Westfield.

Tommy: I think probably what's rattled it and not shaken it out of a lot of these radio stars is that their job will be gone very soon. It's a fleeting market. Like for some of them it's like, okay, you can't just be talent anymore. Like, you can't just be talent.

Josh: And that's like part of it, which is like there are many people who it's just like, like, you know, who won't do digital, right? Who it's like, you know, I don't want to be, I don't want to be filmed unless I've got X, Y, and Z. It's like, how the fuck can you build a show? You can't last doing that. Now. I think I used to work at the fire brigade in the media department, and there's a big culture in, I feel like, amongst the fireys that when you're traveling, you can basically rock up in any city and go into the fire station and have a chat. And I feel like radio has a little bit of that too, where it's like you go to different radio stations. Have you done that much where you go overseas and you actually pop in and say g'day?

Jase: I was going to pop into a Bali radio station when I was there, not for a tax write-off, but we were just, we were honestly having this conversation in Bali and I was talking to the nanny saying, you know, do you have massive stations here? And she was showing us and we were going to like, I was going to go and pop in and say hi.

Josh: Was it Indonesian person or is it like an Aussie? I could imagine.

Jase: No, no, they're Indonesian.

Josh: Oh, really cool.

Jase: But not like Dubai where there's so many Aussies. But yeah, that's— but I'm a radio fucking nerd and I'm not ashamed by that. Like, I love that. You know, we're mentioning bags before, you know, I got mates everywhere across the country in radio.

Tommy: He's a radio nerd too.

Jase: Oh, full radio nerd. And, you know, like we talk about the big names and egos and stuff, but there's big names that are still very grounded. Like, you know, Fefe and Jules sent us flowers when we had our first kid.

Josh: Yeah.

Jase: Fefe sent us a good luck message. And I'm not—

Tommy: Dude, were they flowers that had been sent to the station?

Josh: It's like it's good for them.

Jase: With hidden microphones and cameras in them just in case they're eavesdropping on our brainstorm. But like, I'm not super friends with Fefe and, you know, we've always chatted over the years whilst here at an event, but she sent us a good luck message. Chrissy Swan, who I'd never met, reached out to say good luck. Like, you know, there are still a lot of good people.

Josh: Yeah. Have you— I don't know if you've seen—

Tommy: but maybe that's you. Maybe that's the connection to you, because that's not the experience I've had working with some of these people and what they were saying about the other, the other stars. And so if your head's not in that place, it's like, I actually fucking— you seem like a lovely guy. You are the person I hear on radio. And when I met you today, you're the same person.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So there's no incongruency.

Jase: Live the lie. Yeah, live the lie.

Josh: No, I think there's definitely like— I put you up there.

Jase: What do you mean though? Like, if you're—

Josh: yeah, well, I think like I put you up there with like Shane Jacobson is someone who I've all—

Jase: like, I'd be shocked if he was an asshole. Yeah, well, yeah, in the room I'd be like, oh, I didn't—

Josh: yeah. And I've worked really closely with Shane. I used to do his social media back in the day, and he was like, he was at the Logies, and it's like, uh, all the stars or whatever, I'm fucking there filming as a digital content producer. I was so sweaty, so sweaty. I was about 110.

Jase: It is like an oven in here.

Josh: Is it pretty warm in here?

Tommy: That heater's on. Someone turned it back on. You can turn it off.

Josh: Get out. Can you turn it off?

Jase: You can tell the lightness is out the window. I was going to bring it up at the start and I'm like, oh, let's just see how it goes.

Josh: But, you know, well, I think that most people keep the studio cool as well, don't they?

Jase: My house is freezing.

Josh: Yeah. Which is like, I'm actually all for. I feel like at the moment it is fucking cold in Melbourne.

Tommy: But what I was going to say is like, you made a comment when you came in that it was cold outside, didn't you?

Josh: You said it was fucking freezing, but I think that was just pointing out the fact he was nervous.

Jase: That's your tick.

Josh: That's good banter.

Jase: Oh, show me around the office. I don't give a shit what the office is like.

Josh: No, but I think that— no, I— that's one thing I've even— I said it to Tommy earlier today, like, your interactions with us, like, show— like, I think demonstrates how much of a good person you are on and off the air. Like, you couldn't make it it last week and you call. And I think that that's actually fucking rare. I think people actually like making an effort.

Jase: And, um, well, I thought, because I had to cancel last week on you guys, and I know what it's like if someone cancels, you're like, fuck me, well, now I've got to, you know, fill that gap in the show and stuff. Um, there was a moment when we're doing the 57 Hours and we had Eddie Maguire locked in for an interview at 5 o'clock, and, you know, we just thought, oh, we'll get Eddie on, he's always a decent chat. Obviously I'm going to plug the hell out of his show. Um, and then we're about to go to web, we're in news, and one of the producers, David the intern who we pinched after a month, he's like, uh, Eddie McGuire's there. Um, the phone quality is really terrible. And I said, why? And he goes, oh, he's on speakerphone. And I said, did you ask him to take it off speaker? Because we always ask people like, take it off speaker if you can't hear. And he goes, yeah. Um, he— Eddie said, it is what it is, I'm driving. And then we all laughed and we're like, pussy, you didn't want to tell him. And we started the chat and was— the quality was like just terrible. And even after like 30 seconds—

Josh: broadcaster, you should fucking know.

Jase: And that's what fucked me off. I was like, come on, if someone rang up and did this to your show, definitely it is just— it's like rude. And I had to cut him off and I'm like, Eddie, we can't hear you, mate, I've got to cut you off. But I like— I was like, you brought up Sam Newman, we still plugged his show and everything. Um, but I was just like, fuck, don't, you know, be rude.

Josh: It does make a difference, right? Like, I think that also because it is is in some regards, like, we're in this weird sort of, um, hybrid where, like, Tommy and I sit outside of the industry, but we fucking enjoy the, the radio stuff still. We enjoy, enjoy that.

Jase: But it's interesting how you sit outside the industry now. The industry is this, like, every radio station now is pouring oodles of cash into podcasting.

Josh: Yeah. And what do you think that— what is— what do you think that means?

Jase: That's what it means. But I think that you guys are that I think that's the way shows will go, our stations will go. Stations will be like a Netflix. It'll be just radio shows. I don't think you'll listen to the radio in the future for just songs and little, and, you know, announcement bits during the day.

Tommy: Yeah, I think nice chunks of—

Jase: I think music jocks are the ones that I'd be worried about if I was a music jock.

Josh: Yeah. Do you, um, do you find that you can just get paid as a radio person and that's it? It feels like a lot of people are slashies. It's like you're a radio person but you're doing—

Jase: I'd love to do other stuff. Paige and I made the thing that for the first year to 2 years, we just made the pact that we weren't going to try and get spots on TV show. And it's hard because, you know, if you get a spot on, you know, um, have you been paying attention? That's great, that's really good publicity. But it's hard because the minute you start doing that stuff, you know, radio doesn't necessarily become second, but you know, if I'm spending 10% of time there and it's only 90% on the radio—

Tommy: yeah, we're splitting your focus.

Jase: It is, it is. And we just made the pact, we're like, no matter what goes on or we, you know, get offered or sniffed at, yeah, we're just going to focus on the this for the first year and a half.

Tommy: It's hard to find someone that you can have that agreement with. Like, for Josh and I, our personal social medias have taken a hit. I mean, Josh didn't have one for a while, but I think it's like the mission is if you're both in on that same trajectory together, and then you've got, you've got to respect what the other person wants to do as well.

Jase: Like, Paige does a lot more social than I do, and she'll do like endorsement campaigns and stuff, and you know, it doesn't— it's no skin off my nose, doesn't affect me as long as she's not not losing focus on the show, then, you know, it'd be mad not to support it. But her and I were just— we're very lucky. We're at the start, we just spent so long building our relationship at the start. We'd go out at least once a week, just her and I, uh, for a coffee and have it out and go, what have— what have I done that's fucked you off this week? Or vice versa.

Tommy: Fuck, that's hard.

Jase: Oh yeah, but no, but I was saying this to someone the other day, it's— it's not hard if you do that at start. It's when you leave things and they build over time and it's been 6 months and he'll do something small that'll piss you off and you'll be like, what was it? And you'll be like, you're 10 minutes late. But you're 10 minutes late all the time. It's actually not a big issue if you deal with it straight away.

Josh: It feels like we're, I think that we had so many blowups.

Jase: Yeah.

Josh: Like we spent like first, I mean, it's like a relationship.

Jase: You know, when you meet people and they go, we never fight. And I go, well, one day when you fight in 20 years, you're fucked because they're going to bring out notes going, 14 years ago you said I look fat and good.

Tommy: It wasn't good for baby though.

Josh: Mr. 97 was there and he would, um, yeah, I mean, I think that was part of— I mean, how did you feel watching the blow-ups as a young person?

Jase: Did they make you pick sides?

Josh: Uh, a little bit.

Tommy: You picked my side.

Jase: No, but yeah, you're sort of there and it's, it's uncomfortable, but it's like, you know, that it has to happen anyway, so you just sort of dad and dad are fighting.

Tommy: Yeah, I said to you, I said, does any of your mates talk like this?

Jase: No.

Tommy: And you said no. And I think that's the— Josh and I have a unique friendship where we actually talk through a lot of shit.

Jase: Yeah, you got it.

Tommy: And so I would find that hard, and I did find it hard working when I got assigned a co-host. Yeah, you know, I was assigned to these. So you then— fuck, it's like— I know though, because we weren't at a high level in Shepherd and because we both had like, oh, you'd fucking take that offer at a drop of a hat.

Josh: Yeah. And so this feels like it's more autonomous.

Tommy: It's the top in Melbourne, you know.

Josh: Well, it reminds me of when Karen came in to the office. We had a listener, Karen, and we invited her in and then she was— she's a film, young filmmaker who's recently moved from Macau and she's studying here. So she'd sit in on the show. And then I said, oh, actually, we're just doing our whip. Like, do you want to see how we sort of do everything? It's like, yeah, okay, let's— I'll do that.

Jase: That's cool.

Josh: Anyway, Tommy gets a call and something's changed within a project and Tommy and I have a blow-up. Karen's just sitting there, but the great thing is Mr. 97's like trying to talk to her, being like, so Karen, what have you got on for today?

Tommy: I said to Mr. 97, you're about half an hour late on that one.

Josh: And the thing was, the thing is, I can't fucking argue if someone else is talking, so I'm just like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, it was absolutely—

Tommy: you know, the fucked up thing is I walked away away from that thinking, we handled that really well.

Josh: Well, I think, I think that we knew, I think we knew that it was a bit fucked up when I was like, Karen, don't come back. Yeah, well, I, I literally said to Karen, like, Karen, um, just so you know, the reason why this upsets me. And before you know it, Karen is sort of this mediator between the whole thing. Do you have many people sitting in on your show?

Jase: Um, we don't mind people sitting in, in the, um, like, airlock area. We don't want anyone in the studio. If a guest comes in, we don't want manager in there or anything like that. We just— it sounds wanky, but we're just such— we're so massive on vibe. And if someone's just sitting there like a record— I remember doing an interview with, um, remember Twilight when it came out? It was Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, and I had to go to the hotel and interview them. And so you're Kristen Stewart, you're Robert Pattinson, the camera there is me, this is their manager, and he sat in the middle, in the middle.

Josh: Um, maybe we get a clean two-shot.

Jase: So he's 30 centimetres back. Oh, sorry, he was just out of camera view because they'd shoot across. So he was 30 centimetres back but in the middle, and you'd ask a question and he'd go— and he was directing you to go the next one. And it was like, well, this is— I don't know about you guys, but I'm not vibing this interview.

Josh: Like, I mean, what makes a good vibe versus a bad vibe, do you think?

Jase: I just— if we're doing the show and I look out and everyone's on their phones or there's people sitting in and you can tell they're not watching or listening, then you don't want to look out and see that. But in saying that, like, the first thing we did when we got to the station, we were like, we want to punch out the wall because the phone— we were chatting about it before— the phone room outside the studio never used to overlook the team, all the KISS team and the sales team and everything. So we punched out that wall and put stairs in. And I remember like the first day sales reps would come up and they'd be like, we're there, in that, in that upstairs. And we're like, yes, come here. Yeah, like, if you guys can't see the show, you know, I'm a big believer in unless everyone inside the building is liking the show and cheering for it You're fucked outside the building. Yeah. Unless everyone's, you know, so watching the product internally then.

Josh: So when it comes to day to day, you hanging in the office for long?

Jase: So we all get in just before 5, we're in a meeting at 5, on air at 6, off air at 9, then we pre-record some stuff because we do a night show where they replay it around the country. And then we'll be in meetings. We're normally out at 11:30, 12, probably 12, on average 12, but that can blow out to 1. Paige went to school the other day and recorded till 3. We're never out before 11:30.

Josh: And anything ritualistic that you do to set that vibe? Like if you want to, if you've got a guest, for instance, we're constantly like making slight tweaks. Like let's make it like when we started, it was literally like spending ages fucking setting up our equipment and all that sort of things. Like, okay, well, let's just have the gear ready and ready to go.

Jase: Like, I'm very much like everything's got to be ready to go. We've tried different things where, okay, I'll start doing the intro. Of Ricky Lee. And then as I'm— yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll try that. We've tried other things where—

Josh: have you ever done that live? Like, you see, like Howard Stern used to do that a lot, which is like, yeah, he'd be talking, and I guess it creates a sense of— it's an always-on approach.

Jase: I think if the show's live and they're coming on as a live guest, I actually really like it. I think if it's pre-recorded, it's fucking weird. Wait there, Matt. Wait there, Matt Preston. Oh, I guess he's in the building, Matt Preston. It's just like, we'll try that. Let's just awkward. But yeah, if it's live, I actually don't mind them walking in like that. I think that's cool. Um, uh, when it comes to vibe, we just have a— we just have a no bullshit policy. There's no closed meetings. Like we said before about survey results, yeah, every— you know, if, if we do an air cheque with the boss after the show, all the producers come into the air check. We never really do a one-on-one chat with the boss without the team there.

Josh: Yeah. And is there, is there a sense that like back in 2012, radio was like, worry about what's coming through the speakers. Like when there was that obsession of digital and it was coming up, there was always the person saying, we're out, we are a radio show. If it doesn't sound good, nothing else matters. Yeah. What is the friction at the moment between, hey, that's a good idea of going down the Yarra, that's going to make great video content, but it's actually not going to be great through the speakers.

Jase: Speakers. Oh, I think I do believe at the end of the day, if it's going to sound shit through the speakers, there's no point doing it. Or if we come up with something where we go, that's really good video, but like there's, there's no great radio aspect to it, then now we'll just do it as a video. And then you know what, so say if the Yarra wasn't good radio content— and it was, but say if it wasn't and we just did it as a video, surely there's got to be a funny storey at least that'll come out of that. And then we'll just go on in the next day and go, oh, we went down the Yarra in the inflatable yesterday, here's funny story, and if you want to see the full video, then go to the Facebook page.

Tommy: We've seen it as a bit of a hack to go— if we make videos separate to the show, they're actually storey opportunities for the show.

Jase: Oh yeah, yeah. Like, say the wine— say if you didn't— so you could have taken the show and done the podcast while making the wine, right? But if you sat there going, oh look, the actual process is quite boring for the radio, just do it as a separate video. Surely something's funny or there's going to be a storey that comes out of it.

Josh: How often are you bringing like your iPhone and recording Um, a fair bit.

Jase: When I was in Bali, there was, um, I went for a massage and I swear they were talking about me. So I recorded it and then went home and got the Indonesian nanny to translate.

Josh: And what were they saying?

Jase: They said, uh, the lady called me—

Tommy: don't tell me it was about balding—

Jase: fat white man. And because I was getting a body scrub, the other guy in the place said he very dirty. You know, they talk in that different tone. And on the tape I'm like, what did he say? She goes, nothing, just come with me. I saw, I recorded, I played it to the Indonesian nanny and I said, don't tell me what it said or what they said, just tell me if it was about me. Yeah, because if it wasn't about me, then we wouldn't have done the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was laughing, she goes, yeah, yeah, it's about you. And I'm like, perfect. So I went back, gave the audio to the production guys, we played it on the air and said, look, if you speak Indonesian, can you ring and tell us what they said?

Josh: Uh, Jase, thanks for coming on the Daily Talk Show. It's been a pleasure.

Jase: Congratulations on 400 episodes. And I do mean it. Like, you sit here and you talk about the number, and I have no doubt this show will be successful purely because you are doing it every day and you're going to do it for 10 years. No, no, but that's how you win.

Josh: And thank you to the Gronk Squad for celebrating episode 400 as well. We had a bunch of— we realised that over the last 2 weeks, our fucking— since we launched this amazing new website of thedailytalkshow.com, didn't realise that we hadn't updated our fucking email settings. So for the past 2 weeks, hi@thedailytalkshow.com hasn't been going anywhere.

Tommy: We could send them out, we could send emails.

Josh: Yeah, and so we were wondering, like, she's been a bit quiet on the emails.

Jase: I love the new website, feedback.

Josh: But anyway, we had a bunch of people A lot of people email us. Grace is part of the Gronk Squad. She's on a 5-week Europe trip right now and she's been listening to the show constantly.

Jase: Do you love getting like the random emails from the most random place? Like we get the Texas Police Department that listen to us on the graveyard shift and they're like, we've got you in the squad cars, we listen to the podcast.

Josh: How much do they do that? Podcasting. Podcasting. Podcasting.

Jase: And they play it in the squad cars. Podcast during the graveyard shift.

Tommy: How did they find it?

Jase: I don't get it, but that's what I love about podcasting. And like you said before with, you know, Instagram, it's just, it's crazy.

Josh: We even, we also got, uh, uh, Dan Dib, another Gronk who listens to the show, has written a rap and produced a whole rap which we're going to play tomorrow. Yeah, all about the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's a good time.

Jase: Wouldn't they have been headless? They did all that work and then sent the email and got the bounce back.

Josh: The fucked up thing is they didn't even get a bounce months back. So the thing was, he's like, oh, I said, that's how we worked it out. He DM'd, he's like, hey, how do I get— I just said email it. He's like, okay, sent. My mate, haven't got it yet. And then I was like, you must be fucking up the email. And then I go through, I'm like, the last email we got was July 8th.

Tommy: So annoying.

Jase: And then did you send a test email? That's the worst.

Josh: I did the test and it's like, I didn't get that. And then Mr. 97 does a great job looking after a lot of things.

Jase: No, he dropped the ball.

Josh: And so we definitely He did. I did put in our Slack group, which is our sort of group messaging. Hey guys, don't know about the email. No, Seven's like, nah, it's definitely, you should be fine. And then, and then I get a phone call. And then he did call me, which at that point I didn't answer.

Jase: The worst is the test email. We did a phone topic the other day and no one rang for it. And I'm like, oh, well, the phones are fucked. I'll test the phones. Obviously someone— oh no, that's me ringing. Okay, cool.

Tommy: It is Blame Monday.

Josh: Who's to blame? I think it was a mix. I mean, the great— this is how far Tommy has come. He started meditating at the start of the year.

Jase: Oh, PJ's finished. She did just a full meditation course.

Josh: He's also not drinking at the moment too for the year. So I'll have the red wine because I never used to drink. All year.

Tommy: All year.

Josh: And so he's— and so, but he's— but straight away Tommy's like, you know what I was thinking about? I can't believe I didn't pick up sooner. Like he he was self-reflective about it, whereas I was more like, Mr. 97 fucked up real bad.

Jase: I don't know if he's gonna— No, see, that's what you're talking about. You should have went— you're right.

Josh: Where the fuck were you going with that?

Jase: You've been a mess. I'm glad you're off the booze.

Josh: But we did— like, I wanted to thank, uh, Leah, she emailed, Karen, Dylan, Molly, Elliot, the Atkinsons, Nicholas, Chris, Ryan, Shannon, Kat, Jasmine.

Jase: Oh, there's a lot going in the junk folder. Thank you.

Josh: Thank you for celebrating episode 400.

Tommy: We mustn't have done that argument between you and I. Mustn't have scared off Karen because she, I think she's coming back in. No, same Karen.

Jase: She's coming back in. And she also, you should do a dummy fight. You should do a dummy fight.

Josh: Full blown.

Jase: And just all stop and look and go, well, who's in the right, Karen?

Josh: It's not a bad idea.

Tommy: I hope she watches the show.

Josh: Yeah, she's in her It would have been a good prank. We haven't really done pranks on the show other than—

Tommy: Oh no, I got you last week, mate.

Josh: I did. Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Just to be clear, all the pranks have been on you.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Actually, it's my turn.

Jase: That's why we don't do pranks on the show.

Josh: Well, the thing is, I worry for you because I think that I'm the type of kid, like when I was growing up, pranks I would take quite far. So I feel like I'm the type—

Tommy: I'm the kid that would hit you with the cricket bat when you should have just got poked.

Josh: Oh, we've got someone at the doorbell. All right.

Jase: Hi. You're breaking your brakes.

Josh: Hi, it's the Daily.

Jase: Press your brakes, man. You've got no brakes.

Josh: Don't give me any ideas. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Someone's at the door. Yeah, maybe we've forgotten about someone sitting in.

Jase: Maybe.

Josh: I don't think so. Uh, we'll see you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.