You Can't Ask That!

Tommy: Wait a minute! Frostface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 255.

Tommy: What is cranking?

Josh: G'day everyone, happy Monday.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm here too. Hey, Hi. How are you, mate?

Josh: Wait, was it too directed at not you?

Tommy: Oh no, no, it was all right. But yeah, bring me into it. I felt lonely.

Josh: I'm just adjusting the levels. Yeah, I've been making the mistake of thinking that I'm turning you up, but I just turn me up.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So I just make me louder.

Tommy: Oh, I asked my mum to turn, I was like, "Mum, can you turn the computer volume up?" And she turned it down. I was like, "This sounds different." Did you turn it down? Yeah, accidental. It can happen. We all make mistakes.

Josh: Tech man Josh, what'd you do on the weekend?

Tommy: Um, just hung with my mum doing some technical things at her place, and I cleaned the car the first time. Like, I've had my car for a couple of years now, bought it brand new, uh, Hyundai Tucson. Good car. Tucson, maybe if you're from America. T-U-C- S-O-N. How would you say that? Tucson? Tucson?

Josh: Not sure.

Tommy: Well, there's a place, Tucson. There's a place called Tucson. I think they spelled the exact same way. Anyway, I clean this thing. I always have been pissed off when I've taken my car to get cleaned. I've been disappointed in the— like, I've paid for it and been disappointed in how it's come back.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: It took me an hour, over an hour, just to vacuum the the car.

Josh: Was it the inside that was the grotty bit?

Tommy: The inside, just crumbs like Maltesers. Bodhi had little bits and pieces from his, you know, just kids. The car is just so messy with a kid.

Josh: Do you think that you were partly triggered to clean the car after I had a go at you for shaking your slushie? Because you've got a new car. My dad had a no eating in the car policy. Yeah, outside of road trips. Road trips, we would have, um, lollies.

Tommy: I got in the car a couple of years ago with this guy who was just so anal about it. I was like, lighten the fuck up, it's a Volkswagen, you know.

Josh: What sort of person?

Tommy: Just, just a dude. Just a dude who was just very antsy. I don't know, I don't want to be that guy. If there's— if, if we're talking about who we want to be, I can also say who I don't want to be. I don't want to be the guy that is just so anal about the cleanliness of his car. We can clean it. But maybe that's because I've now got a kid.

Josh: I feel like I'm more, I'd prefer to be the guy without the grotty car.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I'd prefer to be a little bit anal.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Than having a car that's just got shit everywhere.

Tommy: Well, don't be a gronk. Don't bring your Maccas into my car and leave a half-eaten Quarter Pounder under my seat.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But, No, it wasn't, the catalyst wasn't the Slurpee incident where if you've ever slurped a Slurpee, you've faced this predicament. You've slurped it and a lot of the liquid's gone and you've created all these holes in the Slurpee. And so what you need to do is tap it down, like you just hit it and it basically removes all the holes and sinks the Slurpee down and you get more suction. And so you can slurp up a bit more Slurpee. Gronkh move. I banged it onto my knee and it shot Slurpee up onto my ceiling. So I cleaned it. But no, it wasn't because of that. I used to clean my car a lot when I was younger.

Josh: But do you think, was there a specific, well, you used to have your—

Tommy: I had a BMW.

Josh: $600 a month repayment.

Tommy: Yeah, I had a BMW. Yep.

Josh: Red with leather seats.

Tommy: And a TV. Don't fucking forget the TV.

Josh: DVD as well?

Tommy: Not DVD, but stacker.

Josh: What could you play on the TV if you can't have a DVD?

Tommy: TV, bro. Tune in.

Josh: TV. Mike Larkin.

Tommy: Mike Larkin. I could be at the lights watching The Simpsons.

Josh: Where would the TV be?

Tommy: What is this in the center, like the dash? It was just right smack bang where the stereo is.

Josh: Was that a standard install?

Tommy: Yeah, it was a—

Josh: It was an official BMW.

Tommy: 328ci, so it was the classy model, 328ci.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Probably pick one up now for 12 grand. Old pieces. 328ci. So ci was the, the more—

Josh: How much would it have cost to buy outright?

Tommy: Oh, I think it was over 100 grand when it— when they were brand new.

Josh: And did you buy yours?

Tommy: No, I bought it— no, I bought it probably third hand by that time.

Josh: Okay, through a dealer. What did you spend, you reckon?

Tommy: 34 grand or something, which now I don't— it was a lot for back then. I feel like now I mean, you can buy a brand new car. Our car was cheaper than our brand new car. That's fucking epic. No TV in it. Great family car.

Josh: Very good.

Tommy: Leather seats.

Josh: Very safe.

Tommy: What?

Josh: Yeah, what's it like? The seats?

Tommy: Yeah, leather seats. They're not this— they're not like the high-end Merc leather. Yeah, it's— and it's not like a leather jacket leather.

Josh: It's like a thin—

Tommy: they're very— they're slippery, but just, yeah, little holes in it. It's awesome. But yeah, so I, I spent a lot of time cleaning that and, um It was worth it. It's clean as a whistle.

Josh: Was there a specific moment that made you say, I'm going to clean the car?

Tommy: Um, Amy said to me, this is it, because I drive the car mostly.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So then I get the blame. So even if she does dirty it a little bit, it's still all on me, which is fair. And I, and I, I want to do it a bit more now. I want to spend a bit more time just— it's like having a clean room, I guess. You feel good.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Shit feels organized. Our house is really great at the moment, but it is that time of the year. It's, what are we, 7 days? Yeah, we're 7 days in. I'm alcohol free.

Josh: It's 4:18 PM.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: On the 7th of January.

Tommy: Yeah, 7th of the first 19. And so it is that time of year where a lot of people have their shit together right now. It's just a thing. You even see just the consistency in what people are posting about online.

Josh: I wouldn't know.

Tommy: Oh yeah, true, you don't have social.

Josh: What are people posting on there?

Tommy: Just like all the New Year's resolution stuff, people say seems to be a good vibe majority of posts that are going out. But you're getting a few, you're getting a few inbounds.

Josh: Uh, well, no, I was just saying before that, um, because I received an email just before we started and it was another, um, job application.

Tommy: So you have a site that is highly ranked on Google for video production Melbourne, is it?

Josh: Yeah, video production company. If you type in video production company and you're in Melbourne, Full Stack Films will appear as number one.

Tommy: Yeah, which I think is like a, it's the re— yeah, it's like a, so if people are just new to the industry and they wanna try and get a job, they're gonna, it's a good thing to type in and then they'll see you, then contact you. Yeah. We've spoken a bunch about sort of, how people approach the cold email. The cold email to a company that you potentially want a bit of work experience or you want to work with. It's an interesting one. I've loved watching, I've loved seeing people's approaches. How they get a job. Yeah, how they've taken it. I mean, Mr. 97, he broke down how he infiltrated the big media company.

Josh: He apparently contacted me first, I never got back to him.

Tommy: Was that it?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I thought he just—

Josh: actually, I could look up right now.

Tommy: Oh, was it LinkedIn? You still have LinkedIn, right?

Josh: Oh yeah, that's true, but I wonder if he ever tried to send me an email.

Tommy: Mason.

Josh: Let's have a look. Lorder.

Tommy: Mason Lorder.

Josh: This would be great.

Tommy: No, no, I reckon it was on LinkedIn. Can you sign into LinkedIn?

Josh: Uh, no.

Tommy: No, you're not gonna do it.

Josh: But I feel like I would have gotten a notification, no? Anyway. Doesn't matter, but no, so I've been receiving emails. I got one. The common thing, like they're not very personal. Maybe it's because maybe I don't have enough about me on that website.

Tommy: Yeah, here's the thing though. I think there is some level of stalking that needs to happen if you're gonna reach a company. So if you're in the process now of like chasing up some business or following a lead or like trying to get a job. Yeah, I think the one thing you have to put in there is some kind of personal note to the person, or at least like, hi, you know, who you're trying to get in touch with.

Josh: So the latest one I just got at 3:58, so half an hour ago or less than half an hour ago. Yeah, dear sir, madam.

Tommy: I would never just naturally, I just, I've never said sir or madam to anyone in my life.

Josh: And then they've said, I wish to express an interest in becoming Full Stack Films' next production assistant. I've attached all the required information for your perusal.

Tommy: Perusal.

Josh: Yeah. I had to look at that word twice. I was like, as per usual? No, perusal.

Tommy: God, I'd never use that word too.

Josh: So anyway, then I got another one. Hi there, the person's name. Really like the look and feel of Full Stack's work. "So I thought I'd reach out." That's okay.

Tommy: That's nice. I tell you what though, I've had some people send me stuff as well. It's a real hit when you look at their work and it's better than yours.

Josh: Most of it, like a lot of these people are specialists in their field and that's why they come to production companies because they're like a director of photography. So they need to be connected with production companies to get work.

Tommy: What do you think 2019 is the year of? We've seen—

Josh: 2019 is the year of getting off social media.

Tommy: For a lot of people?

Josh: For a lot of people.

Tommy: I mean, is it just in your— is this just because it's in your peripheral?

Josh: No, I mean, I've told—

Tommy: because I could say that it's the year of getting off alcohol.

Josh: I don't think it is though.

Tommy: No? But I mean, if you think about it, it's probably not a bad thing to do.

Josh: But I think that there is a push. I haven't seen anyone post content, like put content on YouTube around, I'm gonna quit drinking. I have seen, and the other thing—

Tommy: All the big comedians have done it. They've just been drug addicts before it, which is why. Oh, actually, yeah, one comedian I'm watching. See, this is the thing. I end up like fucking listening to some dude talk about how he's in AA. But he was like, his drinking habits, I've got 10, 10 mates I could list right now that have a bigger Coke problem and drinking problem than he does, and he's in AA.

Josh: Yeah, and how your friends maybe should seek some help. But, uh, no, I was listening to Mark Maron's podcast WTF with Mark Maron, and he was talking about that he's deleted Facebook. But I think it's— I've noticed it on YouTube as well, a lot of people coming out and saying A trend I think is, so I think 2018 was the year of authenticity signalling maybe. So it was like people doing posts trying to point out their flaws.

Tommy: Okay, because they thought the flaws was the way you show authenticity online.

Josh: Yeah, so they were saying, okay, well, I'll post my stretch marks or that on this day that I had my period, I was a bit bloated so I'm going to post that picture. Yeah. And so I think that that was 2018. Uh, 2019 will be the year that maybe, uh, those people realise that that didn't give them the satisfaction that they needed, and they'll start to fall off. They'll get off social.

Tommy: Yeah. One thing though, how are you gonna know? Where are you gonna See, I think that's why it's beautiful.

Josh: That's what's awesome about my prediction. You will never know. But I think that I should definitely, that should be a project that I definitely do this year. What's that? A documentary on quitting social media.

Tommy: Well, there's the guy who, what's that book that we've both read and then he's writing another one that's—

Josh: Deep Work, no? Oh no, you mean Jason Fried's— Work Doesn't Have to Be Crazy or whatever it is.

Tommy: There's another one that they're releasing one this year about quitting social media. You know it, you know it, you know, it's a new book. He, if you wanna get him on the podcast.

Josh: Austin Kleon?

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: I don't know if Austin Kleon.

Tommy: Is it the Deep Work guy?

Josh: Well, if it's Cal Newport, but you haven't read Deep Work, have you?

Tommy: No, I've listened to.

Josh: So Cal Newport, yeah, he's got a book called Digital Minimalism coming out.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Is it that one?

Tommy: Yes, yes, that's what I was thinking about. So he's getting off as well.

Josh: He's already been off.

Tommy: When does it become a fad though? The fad is in, it's now cool to be off?

Josh: Yeah, but if you delete your Facebook, you've deleted your Facebook.

Tommy: I mean, there could be another thing that pops up that you end up just going after.

Josh: But do you think that the, I mean, I think the action of deleting it, especially like beyond, I didn't just deactivate, I've deleted. Okay. And so I downloaded all my stuff and I've— I'm off. You're done? Yeah, I don't miss it. I mean, how often do you go on Facebook?

Tommy: Well, I actually deleted it off my phone, which decreased my usage so much.

Josh: Can we celebrate? Can we celebrate that I was down 56% in phone usage?

Tommy: Pretty good. Oh yeah, mine went down this way this week. The fucked up thing is though, then I post something yesterday which was the first thing I've posted for the year, and, and it gets all these people commenting or writing to me. And so it's such a trap, and it's such a big thing for people who would have a big following. Yeah, I think it'd be so hard because there is so much validation. There's almost like— because I was saying to you, I posted that video, yes, a video yesterday that I just made over the summer sort of my family having Christmas or whatever. Anyway, I thought it was shit, but then people don't say— think it's shit. And so there's the—

Josh: people might think it's shit, they just don't say it.

Tommy: True. All that. Yeah. And I don't hear that stuff.

Josh: Yeah. But what a negative outlook on life.

Tommy: Someone's like, hey dude, really shit video. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, you get— there is a That happens, but people don't say it in that way.

Tommy: So my thinking was though, if I was to listen to my brain where I tell myself it's shit, so is there some benefit to the affirmation you do get through social media? That people are thinking it's good?

Josh: I mean, it could be. I think these things—

Tommy: Provokes self-esteem issues.

Josh: They're not good, they're not bad. I think it depends on how you use that energy. I was actually thinking about what I'm loving doing at the moment, which is having private information. I was telling Bri, I'm like, I don't know whether when we move, I don't even think, like I think I might not tell people what suburb I live in.

Tommy: I will.

Josh: You know I'll fucking tell them.

Tommy: I'll drop it.

Josh: Well, I just think like even like we're in Sandringham, guys. The reason is because I'm gonna be, yeah, far out.

Tommy: You're a beach guy now.

Josh: Exactly. No, but I just thought like, I like the idea of privacy. I'm craving the, I love sharing stuff on the podcast. This is where I share everything now. But— No, I get it.

Tommy: There is no privacy at the moment. So for you to be able to, so you wouldn't be able to register any mail going to this address? You're on the lease, so you are, there is some connection to it.

Josh: But it's that sign. It's more like the, I think that maybe if I only just talk about it, like I would beforehand with social media, I'd be posting all around. Like when I was living in Abbotsford, I'd be posting photos of being at Dr. Morse at different cafes. I don't know, maybe it's silly, but because Bree and I were looking at rental places over the weekend. "Where were you looking?" "None of your fucking business." But also I don't wanna be that guy. I actually don't, like, you know, there are people who, I'm trying to think of examples where they just would be a bit funny about certain things.

Tommy: About what? They're trying to flaunt the suburb that they're in or what?

Josh: No, as in like being funny about how much something was. I mean, you are very much wired to ask people, "How much did it cost?" Mr. 97 came in and you said, oh, those socks are really cool that your bro got you as a gift. How much were they?

Tommy: As I— that was an instant thing. And then I was thinking, it's like fast thought, as soon as I asked him, I was like, this was a present from his brother. I wonder if he actually told him how much they are. Yeah, sure enough, he knew. $40 online from America, handmade, one pair. Fucking, that's a bargain if you ask me. Stitched in, Mr. 97 stitched into the sock. About 100 times. Yeah, I think I have a filter of asking people when I know it's getting more expensive and shit like that. I actually stepped out of line. I asked a guy, like leases on buildings. Yeah. Would you ask somebody, mate of yours?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: If they just got this cool lease, like, oh, what are you paying?

Josh: Oh, how much you paying on the house? What I wonder, so this is the pushback I have on it. That detail, you asking that, where is it coming from? I think that a lot of people ask because they want to compare, they want to be able to see, they want to place people, they want to say, oh well, how well is that person doing? Oh, how much is— did you buy that place for? How much is this? Like, I think that it maybe has this underlying, um, sort of thought that you are comparing or making a judgment.

Tommy: I can, or it could just be, I wonder what you're getting for that money, and I wonder how much we're spending I think that a commercial lease would be pretty safe.

Josh: Who did you get in trouble from?

Tommy: Just a mate of mine, but he didn't, he just said something like, "Oh, you can't ask that." Which totally fucking did. It says that he's paying a shitload and doesn't want me to know.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which is—

Josh: So he didn't tell you?

Tommy: He didn't tell me. No, that's the thing, I don't know.

Josh: What sort of—

Tommy: It was a big space, old studio. And so he's an artist, but it's like, and that's where it's like, yeah, maybe he's thinking I'm thinking that stuff, but I was totally like—

Josh: Or maybe he got a really good deal, he doesn't want to talk about it.

Tommy: Yeah, true, true. See, this is so much suspense. But I mean, for our— it's interesting, I think there's a— people don't mind talking about how much did you pay for a property when they bought it a long time ago and they've killed it.

Josh: Well, I talk about rental, like how much we spent on rental stuff But I think that the more information we give people, the more that they can use that as some form of comparison or people can be like, oh man, there's like, it's fine when you tell people, it's not fine when all of a sudden that's a, you never want to tell someone a piece of information and then for them to use it later on. I never complain about anything. Like there's people who are like, oh, I'm paying blah blah for this or they're getting annoyed about it. And then it's putting them up for criticism down the track. Like I've never in my life complained about money. This is not something I do because if I complain about money, I'm all of a sudden making it, like when I've had a bunch of debt, if I was to talk about it, then I'm not, I feel like I'm, or if I'm complaining about, I'm not taking responsibility. And it also puts me in a position where it's like, people will say, oh man, they're complaining about, money, but then they're doing X, Y, and Z. And my whole thing is, I'm like, I feel like that complaint is the not taking ownership.

Tommy: I mean, I was thinking, we're just having a conversation around properties, and, and we're just thinking, isn't it funny how you, you actually never own— you, you can't buy something. And I wonder when this, when this sort of stopped. Back in the day, you could live in the outback, buy a property. And I don't know what it is like out in the real rural areas of Australia where you can buy a piece of land but never have to spend another cent on the land if you don't want to. Whereas here it's like you buy an expensive property, you actually have a lot of bills.

Josh: Well, I was thinking that with apartments and stuff, like you have your fucking body corporate. Yeah, all those.

Tommy: Dude, the better the apartment block, the higher the body corporate or the older it is sometimes if you get, if you get royally fucked and they need to do some big repair, you then have to drop in 20 grand.

Josh: But we, so we went looking at rental places on the weekend.

Tommy: Yeah, it's about as fun as shopping for a car. Yeah. Speaking to—

Josh: I didn't actually shop for the car, Bree did. That was like, I remember being like, you know what? I'm happy for this to be your project. Yeah.

Tommy: But I don't like talking about, money, this so much that you can go and spend the money? I don't even think about the money. You go and buy the car.

Josh: Well, it's like, I think we just had like a range. It's like, you know, we wanna spend X amount. But the rental thing, looking super at the sort of hotspots in Melbourne for rental properties.

Tommy: Now you're giving clues. Everyone's trying to work out where you're gonna—

Josh: It was Richmond. We're looking at Richmond.

Tommy: So we can take that off the table 'cause he's not gonna move there based on this.

Josh: Well, there were like 70 people at one inspection.

Tommy: Yeah, man, it's hard to get a place.

Josh: But there is a huge, there's something like 30% of Melbourne's apartments don't have anyone in them.

Tommy: How the fuck that makes sense, I don't know because of the amount of people, it's competitive. Maybe it's the type of area.

Josh: I think it was also maybe has something to do with international investors buying places.

Tommy: I remember we were in New York and we were in the cab with Brad Blanks.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And he's pointing up at these unbelievable apartment blocks on the Hudson River. He's like, pretty much all of them are vacant. Oh no, it wasn't Brad Blanks, it was that quirky Uber driver that was blowing up about how shit Uber was, but he was a local.

Josh: That's right.

Tommy: Lived in Brooklyn or Bronx or something, and he was saying they're all bought by rich people from overseas and they literally have nothing in them and they just hold them. It's just, what do they call it? Just money holding. I just like see it as just holding money. So yeah, there is a bunch of that shit going on here.

Josh: But the, yeah, finding a rental place is just like with the amount of people that are going. But so on Saturday we went to 4 places. One where there was the most amount of people, 70 people, right? We've all gone down into the foyer. Waiting for the real estate, like the property manager. She comes down, goes through the lift doors and we're all just waiting there. I'm thinking like, we're gonna have to go up in groups of 5. And she goes, "Now I don't have the right key for the property." Oh no. So we're not gonna be able to go in. And she's like, "I'm shaking." She said that? Yeah, she's like, "I'm shaking." And everyone's like, "Oh." They felt bad for her. It would seem like, you know, one of those moments where you have to look like you're really upset and panicked, otherwise you look like an asshole.

Tommy: I'd probably look like an asshole.

Josh: What would you say? Guys, not happening.

Tommy: I'd just be like, I'm out, I'm fucking out.

Josh: Well, I've blacklisted, you know how I mentioned Dr. Morse Coffee? Yes. In Abbotsford, blacklisted them today. Haven't been there in a year and a half. Probably actually, no, a year.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, remember I used to always complain about the cold coffee.

Josh: Remember that?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I was always complaining about it. It was, do you know what I was realizing? Abbotsford, Bree and I loved Abbotsford, but there's actually not a huge amount there in the way of like food.

Tommy: No, 'cause it used to be old industrial, not industrial, like old warehouse, warehousing.

Josh: But we're being house sitting and there's been heaps where we're staying there, there's been heaps of food options.

Tommy: Man, there is one thing I was literally walking, I went to the supermarket, no sorry, I yeah, I went to the supermarket, I walked home, then realised I fucking forgot something, and then I was walking back, so the second time the supermarket, I just saw it as a nice time to go for a stroll with my headphones in, just listening to a podcast.

Josh: What were you listening to?

Tommy: A biblical podcast, I was just to see what's going on in the world of Christianity.

Josh: How is Yeah, it's good.

Tommy: Seems good. It's old. It's some old shit still pulling from. No, I like listening to just random shit. And so I was listening to that. Anyway, it wasn't about what I was listening to 'cause I had a thought at the moment, thought about Barefoot Investor. I thought about how, for some reason I was thinking about just moving out further and getting into the property game. And then I was thinking about how much I fucking love being able to just walk from my house to the shops. It's something, I think this is, you've just gotta like—

Josh: I wanna be walking distance from anywhere. So what we're looking at the moment is being a little bit further out, like a tiny, but still walking distance to the office. And what I've capped the walking at is an hour and 10 minutes.

Tommy: Or— So far.

Josh: But that's what I was doing when I was working at Envato and that was in the city. And I was in Abbotsford, that was the walk. And it was perfect. If you're too close, it's too easy just to go into the office all the time. Having that decent walk means that if you need to be in at 8:00 AM, I can actually do that hour and a half that Google Maps said, I can actually, sorry, an hour and 10 minutes, I can actually do in an hour.

Tommy: Bro, move down to my hood.

Josh: I think it'd be more walking-wise.

Tommy: Yeah, but it's far enough away. I come in here enough.

Josh: No, but that's what I'm saying. But my limit's an hour and 10 minutes.

Tommy: I reckon you could do it in less. You've got fucking big insect legs, just stepping out like a cricket.

Josh: We've been starting to go to the gym together.

Tommy: Yeah, you're feeling it, aren't you?

Josh: Have you been? What's the report so far?

Tommy: On what?

Josh: Just how I'm going.

Tommy: On how you, so the report's on you?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, you're doing well, mate. It's, you know, like anyone starting out, just let's ease into it.

Josh: I haven't been sleeping well.

Tommy: 'Cause you're sore?

Josh: DOMS.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: What does it stand for again?

Tommy: Delayed onset muscle soreness. It's a thing.

Josh: I've been like, I can't like put my arms anywhere that's comfortable, but hopefully, how long before I have biceps like Matt Diavella?

Tommy: A long time.

Josh: Do you reckon?

Tommy: He is, 100%.

Josh: It pissed me off when I found out that he'd actually studied. He talked about that he did a weightlifting unit as part of college.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: I was like, fuck, what hope do I have? Steve Eller's fucking gone to college for it.

Tommy: You don't, one thing about weightlifting, you do not need to go to college. I think just go to the school of, the fucking iron shed. Yeah, I mean, I learned most of— I learned more in the weights room than I did at the personal training course that I did. So you're doing it right. I think the knowledge for anybody that they gain from actually starting is that you see how people train, you see how it's advertised, like, you know, CrossFit stuff, majority of people couldn't actually successfully do a session of CrossFit at the level that it's kind of advertised. The kipping, like, pull-ups over the bar and like fucking down into burpees into a 100-meter sprint into deadlifts. Yeah, it will kill you. It will fucking kill you and you won't want to come back. And it was the thing that I reckon that's why I had a really consistent client base of older people within the area where I was training in Melbourne, and it's because I understood that it's also about not doing something that you never want to do again. It's so, yeah, you're just gonna start.

Josh: Squats are hard because the, um, that's what I noticed. I felt like yesterday's workout had a bunch of squats. I found that to be a lot harder than all the sort of pushing and pulling exercise of the upper body.

Tommy: 100%.

Josh: —So that's just a common thing, you feel that too?

Tommy: —Oh yeah, I think it's— Is that leg day?

Josh: Would the squats have counted as leg day or no? —Yeah, that's leg day.

Tommy: But you wanted to start, when you said let's start, let's do a split body routine. I'm looking forward to putting you through a week of a split body routine, but you actually won't sleep either. You won't be able to lift your arms. Like for your isolate—

Josh: I think split, but I could do split body. Okay, I've heard this all before. Split body arms only. I couldn't do any split body anywhere else. As long as, as long as the arms—

Tommy: if not push-ups, if it was just— what is that?

Josh: It's literally just the fucking— what was— I'm doing a motion. Pushing one?

Tommy: No, um, he looks like he's shaking an old man. That's a chin-up?

Josh: No, the bar's coming down with me.

Tommy: It's very hard to Oh, lat pulldown.

Josh: Yeah, lat pulldown's my favourite exercise. Yeah, that's your back. Fuck, I'm gonna have a big back because I enjoy that one. Big muscular back, dude.

Tommy: A friend of mine, bodybuilder, professional bodybuilder, he said it took him 10 years to put on 10 kilos of muscle. 10 years of consistent training, like flat out, and he doesn't take steroids, and he's a pro bodybuilder. He's fucking ridiculous rig.

Josh: Well, you probably don't need it. I mean, 10 kilos is probably a lot of muscle.

Tommy: Yeah, but he doesn't— he still doesn't look ginormous. But just putting on— maybe he needs to take steroids.

Josh: Maybe he needs to fix his diet or something. He's the cleanest eating—

Tommy: but it's not about being clean. Yeah, he's a scientific— he's a fucking— what do you call it? He's just a genius.

Josh: He's a genius with his diet.

Tommy: And, uh, yeah, he knows it.

Josh: Well, given that the time of year, Netflix have leveraged the opportunity to bring out a new show. What is it? It's called, um, Tidying Up with Marie Kondo.

Tommy: Yeah, so I, I didn't know who she was, but I— her method, is that right? I heard you say KonMari. KonMari, yeah.

Josh: So KonMari's, uh, it's— she talks about it in her book, uh, what was it? The— it's like The Magic of Tidying Up or something. I'm just Googling it, but, um, I listened to the audiobook of that. It's all about, um, here we go, The Unexpected Joy of Tidying Up. Is that it? Tidying Up. She tidies your shit up.

Tommy: She's— is she a minimalist?

Josh: No, she's not a minimalist. So she's from Japan. Not that minimalism is a nationality, but she does this stuff where she'll get you to hold up a piece of clothing or whatever the item is, and you have to ask, does this spark joy? And if it sparks joy, you keep it. If not, you thank it for its time and then you fucking place it and chuck it.

Tommy: Or bin it, or give it away. Or give it away, yeah. Okay, underwear, what's the deal with that?

Josh: Yeah, same thing.

Tommy: Coming tomorrow, you fuck, have you got undies on, mate? No, it doesn't spark joy. Doesn't spark joy. Your feet stink, why the fuck aren't you wearing socks anymore? It doesn't spark joy. But I think— So where's the limit?

Josh: No, well, I know because I think that there's a scale. So underwear, if they've got fucking rips in them and stuff like that, they're definitely not gonna spark joy. A nice crisp pair of underwear that has kept its shape and it feels good, that will spark a level of joy. Okay, do you agree?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I like a new pair of underwear, but then if you've got older brothers and they just wedgie you, maybe a ripped pair is great because they can just fucking—

Josh: well, they're out of there. I was thinking I'm definitely like the undies and socks thing. I want to get it all sorted.

Tommy: 100%, you should have maybe 5 pieces of clothing in your wardrobe. Otherwise you're just keeping all this old shit because you wear the same thing. So you should, you should be able to like fucking literally look like John Wick.

Josh: Yeah, who's John Wick?

Tommy: Oh no, um, what's his name? The guy from, um, what's his name? Uh, the Matt, uh, not Matt Damon, uh, The Accountant. He's this autistic accountant who's like just like so particular about his, his house and and he's just like— he's a bit like Diavolo.

Josh: Yeah, he's a minimalist, but he's also—

Tommy: what is he called?

Josh: What is it called? It's a movie called The Accountant with Ben—

Tommy: with Ben Affleck. But is this good? He's a real numbers guy, knows how to— he was cooking the books for all these mafia people, but he was also just an absolute weapon.

Josh: But didn't Conspiracy Jimmy say that Ben Affleck's also CIA agent? Yeah, because he got into Hollywood so young. Yeah, yeah, that would be, yeah. Exactly, you're like, yeah, that's what my mansion should be.

Tommy: That's what you should be like, your house should just be fuck all.

Josh: Well, we've got, well, that's the other thing I'm trying to work out is I'm all for getting a very small apartment, tiny, 'cause we're saving to buy a house or an apartment or whatever. And so I wanna get somewhere small so we can save more cash. Bree also wants her space. She doesn't wanna have it, well, it's actually not her space. She says she wants it big, a place big enough that we can have people over and it doesn't feel cramped.

Tommy: I think you're gonna have to spend money for that. Well, that's the whole thing.

Josh: It's like, okay, so the difference between, we could get somewhere that's under $500 for the two of us, but if we wanna entertain, looking in the areas we're looking, you have to spend over $600.

Tommy: Come to St. Kilda, bro, 400, you could probably get something 450, good place, good quality.

Josh: We do, the problem is that we have fallen in love with newer style, like just new, like I just don't like too much carpet or if there is carpet, a newer place is nice. Oh yeah. But they're all luxuries, like you can't have it all. So we need to make a decision, like I'm not complaining. We've received emails. Yes. A lot of emails actually.

Tommy: It's good. Lots of international people coming out of the woodworks. Thank you. We like to know where you're listening from 'cause there's only two of us in this room. So it can feel like no one's fucking listening.

Josh: Well, James from the UK, he was, we're talking about key rings. I think we mentioned him last week on Friday. Him and I were just having some banter about the Opener case, which was Quad Lock's first ever product.

Tommy: Bottle opener.

Josh: Bottle opener on your iPhone.

Tommy: I'd be worried that it would snap my iPhone.

Josh: Or that it would spray into the ports. That was the big complaint, especially back in the day.

Tommy: They sold a shitload though, didn't they?

Josh: Yeah, they did. They like, they did it through Kickstarter.

Tommy: Just quickly, if you actually want to convo, email, because Josh has no social media, but he's big on email.

Josh: I'm getting onto the email. The email's great. And so like, I have longer form email. Saturday, just sat down, opened up email, went through all of our emails responding. Yeah, it's good fun. But, So Jimmy. Yeah, James from the UK. I feel like British people less likely to be a Jimmy and more James. James. My name is James, call me James.

Tommy: That's— are you just trying to do a Bond?

Josh: British Bond? British. Wayne Peters. Oh fuck, are we doing first and last names? Wayne Peters. That's okay. Yeah. Because Wayne's got two first names.

Tommy: Yeah, I know. I knew a girl whose uncle was Wayne Kerr.

Josh: Wayne Kerr, that's good. It's legit, it was legit. But we're trying, 2019, trying to do less both names.

Tommy: I can't make any promises.

Josh: We did it once and we had to re-upload the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks Anthony. Wayne is, don't say the last name. Wayne is saying it's an honour and a privilege to be part of the Squeegee Cult. Yeah, great. And it's not something that he's gonna take lightly, which we appreciate. Also said, by the way, in episode 254 when we were talking about the Masons, the first thing that came to mind— Freemasons, Freemasons, yeah, exactly— the first thing that came to mind for him was the Flintstones and the Buffalo Lodge rather than Homer and the Stone Cutters. He said, not sure if you're old enough to remember the Flintstones.

Tommy: Yes, but not as deeply burnt into my in my head is, um, as The Simpsons.

Josh: Well, The Flintstones was seen as something that was old school, just like The Jetsons. Oh, The Jetsons, we'd watch it and Mum and Dad liked it because like, oh, this, this is what we used to watch. Same as, um, what's Witchy Poo? What's Witchy Poo from? Witchy Poo?

Tommy: I don't know what Witchy Poo is.

Josh: Witchy Poo, uh, Witchy Poo, Witchy Poo.

Tommy: I just like saying Witchy Poo.

Josh: I'm just typing in Witchy Poo. To work out what the— I like hearing that. H.R. Puffin Stuff. Witchy Poo. Never heard H.R. Puffin Stuff? H.R. Puffin Stuff, when the things get rough.

Tommy: Maybe. There was, yeah, I mean, there was a bunch of great shows on when we— Rugrats. Rugrats. Old school. But H.R.

Josh: Puffin Stuff, that was— I should definitely— I'm just getting into YouTube and seeing all the scenes. Definitely can get into that. Yeah, so we got an email from Wayne. Also got, it's harder for me to see the emails because I'm writing back to them.

Tommy: We got one from Gabby.

Josh: Yeah, we got one from Gabby as well. Hang on, so there's too many. Yeah, no, so Gabby from Canada. She is part of our Squeegee— Alberta? Correct. Is that from Alberta? Yeah, yeah. And she listens while she's driving to work.

Tommy: It would be cold as fuck right now. I looked it up.

Josh: What is it? It's like minus degrees, like 1 degree, 2 degrees. So when we were saying 40 degrees, that's Celsius that we were in Melbourne. Yeah, very hot. Yeah, extremely hot. We had a guy come out today to try and quote us up what it would cost to get air conditioning done.

Tommy: Business hours end in 8 minutes.

Josh: Has he not responded? Has he not written? Oh, can we email him?

Tommy: No. No. Who's it from? Joel Crane. Okay. No more. No last name. No, I can say his name. He was on TV. Joel Crane here.

Josh: Shepparton.

Tommy: Goulburn Valley News.

Josh: So yes, Gabby, thank you for listening all the way in Canada there. We've actually got a few people who listen in Canada and also in the US. We've got, I'm trying to think who, see, this is why I should, Chelsea, who's, from Colombia, who we talked about in Tennessee. And we also—

Tommy: yeah, I got one wrong because I said, um, women wouldn't carry the coin.

Josh: No, I think that was me. Did you say— I think I said—

Tommy: so anyway, um, I just think about my wife and her pants, and I just don't see them as being that coin-friendly.

Josh: Yeah. And it's also— yeah, the— I was a bit of a collector when I was a kid of buying dumb things. But this is the thing, Ashley has put in a bunch more research than I have. She actually understands all of this stuff and gave a great sort of explanation around the coins. She was, um, she said, uh, the one that she has is called Amor Fati, and it's a, um, which means to love fate and all that it has to give you. And, um, she— I was asking her because she said, yeah, I've got a coin I'm a chick, like we definitely chicks have novelty coins. And I asked her, where do you keep the coin? She said, I carry the coin with me daily in my wallet's zippered pocket. It's gotta be zippered. Has to be. If it's not zippered, don't fall out.

Tommy: Did you used to wear parachute pants?

Josh: Thanks, Ash, by the way. As a kid? Parachute pants? No. Parachute pants? Too fat for parachute pants, I reckon.

Tommy: No, they were very popular when I was a kid. Just constantly walking through the halls. I was more a— The pockets were deep and slippery and you'd put coins in and you'd sit up and all your coins would come out. So no coins.

Josh: I'm almost wearing parachute shorts now. These Lululemon. Yeah, they are. But no, I was into the, what are the clippy ones called?

Tommy: Oh, like the— Stud pants? They were Adidas.

Josh: I'm sure I had Australia. You could almost— Yeah, you could rip them up. So when you're playing basketball and you're, a benchwarmer like I was, the coach would say, Josh, you're on. I would just flick them off.

Tommy: Yeah, interesting. I never had those. Amy, my— yeah, Amy said to me— I was gonna say Amy, my wife.

Josh: It's like, mate, we've done 255 episodes. If they don't know who Amy is, they're in trouble.

Tommy: So Amy used— she was like, oh, you would have been the type that had those. Never had them. But then again, I was a stripper that actually had Velcro pants that would just They'll probably be a custom job.

Josh: They were a custom job, yeah. I bet. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you wanna send us an email. Have we got any plan? Like, gotta get into the Seth Godin writing.

Tommy: How far off are we?

Josh: I need to actually, we've got—

Tommy: 27, 20-something days, 23 days.

Josh: Yeah, I've definitely got to just start punching it out. 22 days is a long time.

Tommy: So just find yourself a little spot at your parents' place. And steal a few little wagon wheels and get to work.

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, hi@thedailytalkshow again. If you, did I say .com? hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email because yeah, I don't have social media now. So it's nice to hear from you.

Tommy: So you will get a response.

Josh: Absolutely. We also need to, Trevor Long is in Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show. So I'm sure this week we'll be able to have him him on. He's gonna be— what did they say? Flat yakka? Flat naka? Flat naka? Flat yakka.

Tommy: But flat yakka could probably work because they say hard yakka.

Josh: Yeah, so he'd be very busy right now, basically. Uh, but we will hopefully have him on this week talking about all of the latest tech gadgets.

Tommy: Is it— just tell me, because I'm not a techie, what's happening? Is there people— is there some sort of show on?

Josh: There's like 15— there's like 15 miles of expo floor where the big companies— so for, you know, the Samsungs, the Hisense, all those big companies, uh, showing off things like TVs, or it could be robotic vacuums, all the consumer electronics, uh, phones, fitness trackers. Um, and so a bunch of the companies will have what are they called, keynotes, where you can go and watch and they'll announce things. But then there's also a lot of, and so what it's used for is, say if you work for a company like an electronic store, say here it might be like a JB Hi-Fi, or in the States it might be Best Buy. And so the Best Buy people will go and they'll go to all the stores and be like, oh, we'll buy 50 million units, 100,000 units or 10 million units of your mobile phone batteries. And then that's how they get them into store.

Tommy: So what comes with it is cool announcements.

Josh: Yeah, so not only cool announcements, but also sort of speculative technology. So like up and coming stuff. So Trevor Long last year trialled this, airbag that the elderly can wear. So if they fall over, it's got— it's around their belt. If they fall over, the airbag goes off.

Tommy: I just imagine Trevor Long doing demonstrations.

Josh: He did. Oh, I'm falling over, God. He did it. He did it. Oh, wow. We should try and find it and stick it up on our Reddit. Today, Talk Show everyone, I hope you have a great Monday, and we'll see you tomorrow. See you guys.