Apple announcements & strawberry infused water with Trevor Long

Tommy: Wait a minute!

Trevor: Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 173. TJ, we've got our mate Trevor Long in the building.

Tommy: How are you, bro?

Trevor: Great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Josh: When I say in the building, you are currently in California after a day of talking Apple products.

Trevor: Pretty much all I've done for 12 hours is talk Apple ad nauseam, nonstop back and forth with radio stations all across the country, which is fun. Yes, I'm in San Jose, which is, I reckon, 15 minutes from Cupertino, which is where Apple's headquarters is. And boys, I've got to tell you, I know you're coming to America, but Even if you just do a drive-by, you've got to see the Apple headquarters. It's unbelievable.

Tommy: You posted a photo, it looked unbelievable. It looks like a futuristic space centre or something like you'd see in a movie where they stumble across it. In The Walking Dead, there's a scene where they come across this like science lab and they all go in and it's just high-tech. It looks like that.

Trevor: There's two things about it that always strike me, the building and Steve Jobs when he proposed this development to the Cupertino Council back in 2011 said it will look like a spaceship has landed. It's a big ring, the whole building, 260,000 square meters. It's massive, right? Solar panels on the roof, 75% of the whole energy, the joint is powered by solar. But then there's the Steve Jobs Theater. It's on a, on the top of a hill, and it's a 50-meter diameter circle building that's just glass. There's no beams, there's no wood structure. It's just glass that holds up this carbon fibre and metal roof. You go inside this area and there's just two discrete stairwells. But I'll tell you, my favourite thing is a lift. There's one lift. Yeah, you walk— it's glass. You walk in, but instead of going down— and you know how sometimes there's a, there's a door on the other side, you're going to turn around and go out? No, no, this one you go in and as it goes down, it twists. So it twists as it goes down so that you're facing the right way when you get to the bottom.

Josh: I think I would need to, I would have to have motion sick tablets before going to the Apple campus just to deal with the lifts.

Tommy: And so how far, like, how do you, is anyone allowed to drive past? Is it within a business district? Is it like out in Wontorna where Josh lives with his few business districts?

Trevor: It's just in the town of Cupertino, it's surrounded by houses essentially, but it is, they bought basically multiple city blocks, and they just built this thing there. So you can actually drive— it takes about 5-10 minutes to drive around the thing, um, so you can see the building. But it's this— they've planted so many trees, you can't really get a sense of the thing, which is why the drone videos on YouTube are very popular. It's a magnificent thing to watch the drone videos on YouTube. But yeah, every bit of it is manicured, from every blade of grass to the seats. It's all manicured. It's beautiful.

Josh: Well, looking at the photo that we posted on our Insta storey of you there, it actually looked like a 3D rendering behind you. I was actually like, has Trevor taken that photo there or is he standing in front of some sort of wall? It was like, yeah, it was insane.

Trevor: So that spot is where, and this you got to remember, this place is designed from the ground up. And so that theater, the Steve Jobs Theater, is designed to hold these events. And so what they do is they construct— we call it a broadcast platform, but just a, you know, a bit of construction platform. It's temporary where all the broadcast TV crews set up. And so that's the backdrop, that Steve Jobs Theater, that beautiful glass building is the backdrop to every live broadcast from an Apple event when they're held at Apple Park.

Tommy: Before we get to what Apple have actually released today, what's the food like there? I'm always I'm not a foodie.

Trevor: Yeah, I'm not the right person to ask.

Josh: Catering. Yeah, that's good. Is it like, is it from a catering point of view? Do Apple go out of the— they're doing all of this other shit. Do you get like good brownies and shit like that? Like what are you getting in an Apple event?

Trevor: Put it this way, I didn't eat a thing. So it was all fancy. If I didn't eat, it meant it was fancy. You know, little canapés and all that kind of rubbish. There was two jugs of water. One was strawberry infused and the other one was plain. They call it plain water.

Josh: I just went the plain water, but Yeah, it's well catered. It's not like there's a buffet, but they call it the Trevor water, a nice special non-strawberry water for Trev.

Trevor: Yeah, that's right.

Tommy: And Trev, are you—

Trevor: What the fuck do you want strawberries in your water for?

Tommy: Are you the kind of guy that requests cafe? I want just cafe-style breakfast. I had this kid doing work experience from the country and I took him to a paleo cafe. He says, what's this? Can we just get cafe-style food? I don't know what that means, but he knew.

Trevor: Can't we just get bacon and eggs Australian style, mate? America, I hate America's food, I'll be honest. American bacon and eggs, the bacon is all crispy and the bread is like fake. It's just not right. They don't know how to make bacon and eggs here.

Josh: I saw you made a quick trip to Johnny Rockets. Is that one of the few places that you like when you go there?

Trevor: Yeah, yeah, it's a, you know, it's a chain burger joint, so you know what you get. It's like going to In-N-Out. It's not amazing, but you know what you're gonna get. And that's the kind of person I am. I need to be able to get a plain burger and plain fries just to load up because I'm probably not going to eat 2 meals a day, let alone 3 while I'm here.

Josh: Talking about getting what you thought you'd get, what do you think of the Apple event going into it versus what they announced? It seemed like the leaks were pretty on point. What's your thoughts on it?

Trevor: Yeah, pretty solid leaks this year. It's probably one of the best leak years they've had. I bought from a Chinese factory about a month ago two, what they call dummy phones, the mock-ups that someone makes to insinuate what they're going to look like so case manufacturers can build them. And they're spot on, like they're, they're, they're absolutely spot on what they were. The only thing they didn't have was the colors. So aside from not knowing what the colours of this iPhone X are, would be. Um, pretty much everything was spot on. So iPhone XS, which is last year's phone, just made better, you know, faster and better camera. iPhone XS Max, which is phenomenal. I mean, if you've used a plus-size iPhone, you know, the big iPhone— I hate them, I'm not a big fan of the big phone— but it's about that size but with the full screen. Like, just, it's, it's intense screen. I heard you say, uh, Josh, that you hate the X. I think Bree's got a 10, obviously. You're gonna have to get used to it because there is no new iPhone that has a button. There's no—

Josh: could they not put it on the back or something? Do you think I'm gonna have to go to a Pixel or something if I want, uh, sort of the fingerprint reader? Do they do the, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trevor: I think fingerprint reader is on the, on the back of the Pixel. It's on the back of some Huaweis. It's on the back of the Samsung. Apple's just gone, you know what, our Face ID is so good you don't need it. And I 100% agree. That Face ID is rubbish for Apple Pay because you've got to double-click and then you've got to stare at it and then it's done. It's not as fast as fingerprint, but— and I also hate buying apps. Downloading an app is, is just a weird process. You've got to double-click your thumb. It's a bit weird, but everything else you get used to so quickly. And navigating an iPhone X or iPhone X style product is, is pretty good, switching between apps and stuff. So there is no iPhone— so they're still stocking the 7 and the 8 But the XS, XS Max, and XR, which is the— I'm going to say dumbed down. Like, it's— I wouldn't say this on the radio because Apple would call me, but it's the dumbed down version of the iPhone X. It's, it's— the screen's not as good, it's an LCD screen instead of OLED. The camera is not as good, it's a single lens instead of dual lens. But like, it's, it's, it looks, it looks the same. I played with it today and went, this is fine, it's pretty good, but it's still $1,229.

Josh: Yeah, shit, it's—

Tommy: yeah, I, I can update my phone in a couple of months, so I'm going to get— I'm definitely going to get one of the new ones. Is there a better camera on the, on the new versions, the XR, the XS?

Trevor: Yeah, not better megapixels, it's all about sensor and processing power. So I mean, it's— they use terms like neural processing in the processor and all these things. Essentially, your ability to take and edit photos are enhanced. So you guys know depth of field better than most. And for the average listener, that sense that you're taking a picture of someone and they're in focus, but the background is blurred. Apple have allowed you now with the iPhone XS and family of products, after you've taken the photo, you can go in and edit the f-stop, you can edit the depth of field to say, you know what, I just want a little bit of blur, or I want bucket loads of blur.— and now they made a big deal about this on stage. They're like, this is— there's no camera in the world that can do this. And several of us turned to it because it's journos, right? We all just turned to each other and went, pretty sure you can do that on a Samsung and a Huawei. But they didn't talk about that, you know, but it is remarkable for an iPhone. So I don't think you'd notice the difference from a X to a XS with the average photo, but it's incrementally better and it's vastly better than,, you know, a 7 or an 8.

Tommy: Did you see Tim Cook, the, uh, the Apple man?

Trevor: Yeah, we had a chat. No, I didn't chat to him, but he's— so straight after these events, so the Steve Jobs Theater has 1,000 seats, it's quite small for an Apple event, and it's underground. Um, as soon as the event finishes, like, it's just bloggers get up and run to try and get— because they have a hands-on area, there's probably At a guess, I'd say there's 30 iPhones and 30 watches sitting on tables, each one of them manned by an Apple staff member for you to go and touch and hold, take photos of. Every vlogger and blogger in the world is taking photos of themselves and videoing, trying to get videos and stuff. But all the celebrities come out. I didn't see Al Gore today. He's normally at every one of them. But Naomi Campbell, I think is her name. Maybe. There's a bunch of celebrities I don't know. Yeah, no, people were saying to me today, did you see such and such? Did you see such and such? I'm like, I don't know who that is. And they go, "Oh, the bloke from Mad Men." I went, "Never seen it, got no idea." Anyway, so Tim—

Tommy: You also didn't try the strawberry water, mate. I don't trust you.

Josh: I think it's a bit like— So Trev and I—

Trevor: I won't see him do an event ever.

Josh: Quite similar. I think this is, Trev and I, we should do a segment called Celebrity Spotting. It's called a Blase Review.

Trevor: It'd be awful. So Tim Cook's surrounded by broadcast cameras so we could see where he was. And he was there just schmoozing and chatting with Jony Ive. And they just try and make a bit, I'd say 10 minutes of kind of face time. Yeah, not FaceTime Apple-wise, but in terms of just seeing people, and then they bugger off and I guess drink heavily because they've had a successful day.

Tommy: Oh, Josh, you and I were talking about the walkie-talkie function. Did they— this wasn't a software, this was a hardware launch, wasn't it? Because there was a new—

Trevor: yeah, this was— this is hardware. Um, iOS 12, the new operating system, will be out next uh, middle of next week. So for anyone that's got an iPhone, they can get that.

Josh: And so that will include the multi-FaceTime, so you can have like, what is it, up to 30, 32 people, 32 people on it. I think we need to actually give that a crack. I reckon we should do the Daily Talk Show FaceTime where we try and fill 32 spots with people.

Trevor: Your problem is you get to this point, and this is like, um, with EFTM, we have a group of probably 8 of us that are kind of— they're not all staff, they're just, you know, parts of the team, I guess, the people that come to CES with us and whatnot. We couldn't do that because 2 of them are Android. That's not cross-platform, so you're screwed unless everyone's— it's basically a product they built for Apple staff because it's not like you imagine Tim Cook setting a meeting, a video conference, and you're going, yeah mate, sorry, I got an Android phone. It's not going to happen, right?

Josh: So it's all about FaceTime for them and Do you think iMessage and FaceTime are eventually going to be standalone apps that Android users will be able to download?

Trevor: I think it's a massive oversight not to make iMessage Android compatible already. Yeah, um, the problem is it's like, I use it a lot and I watch at an event like this, the Apple staff have all, you know, got little groups they chat in. You can kind of see over their shoulder, but they— WhatsApp's just better. Like, yeah, I just can't imagine anyone adopting it because WhatsApp is so much better already, and they would need to announce huge changes to it to make it better than that.

Tommy: Yeah. Hey, um, guys, quickly, just— I need to know. I got the Oculus, Facebook's headset, given to me by George.

Trevor: Stupid photo of you in a coffee shop.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you should see the video of my mum using the cafe. It's hilarious. Anyway, I just want to know, Apple, do you think this is a sabotage against the Oculus product. I sent a thank you message via Siri to Jules Lund, and I said, this is what I wanted to say: Oculus is sick. I just set it up today, and I'll have to bring it over for the girls to try. And then what it actually sent through, uh, Siri read my, read my voice, and it said, fuck you, Liz, is sick. I just set it up today. I have to bring it over to the kids. But I was thinking Do you think that's Apple fucking with Facebook's products because they're in comp— they're in, I guess, you know, competition in the tech space?

Trevor: I think it's machine learning. I think, I think it's a great example of how bad Siri is. Yeah, Siri's got so far to go in terms of voice recognition. Yeah, and it's also an indictment on autocorrect. The number one problem I've had today is I keep texting like people I'm about to talk to saying, here's the topic, let's talk about the XR and the XS. And as soon as you type XS It goes X apostrophe S as an autocorrect.

Tommy: X's.

Trevor: Yeah.

Josh: Actually, that would have been— because Apple are known for obviously incorporating their products. Like if you type in FaceTime, it will autocorrect it to be the capital T, all that sort of thing.

Trevor: The iPhone, same.

Josh: Thinking about the leaks that happen, they obviously couldn't update. Could you imagine if they had updated the model So like everyone would be on to it. So they must have to like have this complete rollout strategy.

Trevor: You're on holidays. I'm hoping you don't read everything while you're actually out. You've been on holiday, but the like 12 hours, you know, it's obvious 12 hours before the event, maybe 24, some complete nerd somewhere in the world worked out a part of the Apple website. The sitemap had references to XS, XR, and XS Max. So that's how we knew the product names before the bloody launch. It's embarrassing, but it happens.

Josh: Does Apple actually, do they address the leaks at all in these events? Do they talk, do they hint to them or do they just pretend they don't exist?

Trevor: The only time they ever did that was iPhone 4, which is, you know, going back to like 2012 or '11. When do you remember, and this, Josh will remember this, Tommy, you might or might not, but Gizmodo in the United States found the new iPhone sitting in a bar and they took it, they took photos of it and everything. And it was huge controversy. They, they essentially in that, in that keynote, they said something along the lines of, um, you may have, you may have already seen this or something like that. That's, that's as far as they went. But nothing here gets, gets close to mentioning leaks or confirming rumors.

Josh: Uh, the Pixel was— wasn't that found recently in, uh, like a Lyft car? Do you think this was just— so basically, can you explain what happened and do you think that it was an official leak from Google.

Trevor: Hmm. So someone obviously—

Josh: these—

Trevor: so for example, the Pixel 3, which is Google's next phone, will be announced on October 9th, I think it is, in, in the US. That's been— that device has been out in Google sense since March. I know telcos that saw it at a Google kind of briefing in, in March in Barcelona. So it's been in development. So let's say a month and a half ago it got to the point where they had to get into the real world. They had to get Google staffers to get out and actually make calls and take calls and everything else. They put them in a case, they put them in a bumper. Some idiot has called a Lyft, been in the ride, and left it in the car. Lyft being another Uber-style thing over here. And the Lyft driver— like, a lot of these Lyft drivers that are nerds as well, they've seen it and it's got all markings all over it. They've taken photos of it, they've returned it, but then they've, you know, posted it online. Josh, I don't know. People talk about, you know, planned leaks and stuff. I can tell you right now, as best as I can, Apple have never planted a leak. I actually asked one of their senior executives in a meeting once, I said, do you follow the leaks? Do you get kind of like, do you pin them up on a wall and say, right, wrong, right, wrong? And he looked at me as if to say, mate, we hate it. Like genuinely hate the leaks and they wish they never happened. Google, on the other hand, I don't know, the Pixel's a big thing in the US, and so I think creating the hype— the conspiracy theory is, is, is rich with that one. It could be close, but I don't think they'd be happy.

Tommy: It's, it's hard to fabricate these things though, because people call bullshit on everything, and then conspiracy theorists just will say it's a planned leak as it is. Humans are the problem here. I wonder if when it becomes— when AI is around, if they just end up just, nah, they're telling their mate, they're leaking info, the computers can't help themselves but to leak shit.

Trevor: Um, I don't know, like the Apple stuff was all like pictures, the, the, the marketing picture of the iPhone was leaked like a week ago. How do, like, how does that get out? They would be blowing up a treat that that happened. It's just amazing that it can happen, but It's a massive company. I mean, these companies are dealing with marketing agencies, design agencies, factories. It has to get out. I mean, I don't know how you keep it internal.

Josh: And it also does take the wind out of the sails, I think, from the actual announcement. Like before, I mean, totally Amsterdam at the moment. And just before I went to bed, I had a look at the— Apple has actually started doing these roundup videos, which I haven't seen before because normally we might see promo videos where we see a single product, but this is one of the first times that I saw that, that incorporated all of the different elements. I was like, yes, I heard about that. Yep, okay, in the Apple Watch, are we going to see— yep. Um, have you actually seen, Trev, a difference in the way that Apple are marketing on, you know, sites like Facebook and on social media in general?

Trevor: Well, like, from my point of view, about a year ago they started— so at these events you're sitting there and we get nothing. Like, at a Samsung event, so 3 weeks ago in New York, um, you know, not to lift too much of the curtain back, but I get given the announcement like the day before. Um, we get taken to a briefing, we get shown the phone, we take photos, we— and then I don't have to do anything at the press conference. I can just take photos and tweet along. The storey's done. I know what's happening. Here we've got no idea. So you are literally flying blind. But during the event, like, the Aussie PR team will text us the Aussie prices, which is useful because obviously they talk in US dollars. And these days they must send around animated GIFs and social media assets so that you've got stuff to share because social's the focus. Like, they've got, you know, Instagrammers here that they want to share these things. So yeah, I think their focus has shifted heavily to the short-form, easy, shareable content because, mate, so many people are lazy. It's lazy. They want to share whatever they can get.

Josh: And do you think that that strategy, having seen the Samsung sort of strategy and the Apple strategy Do you think that it's actually beneficial holding off and doing all of the sort of, uh, charade of, you know, texting you through at the time? Do you think Apple would be better off actually moving towards sort of, you know, pre-briefing and things like that?

Trevor: No, I'm okay with the way Apple do it. My— it's, it's, it's very egotistical thing, but the problem with the Samsung approach and many others is, um, if it's not one in, all in, Um, so I've been to events like, you know, big auditoriums where you're sitting down, you've got your laptop ready at the start of the press conference, and then bing bing bing bing bing, tweets come up from every tech site in the world who've got the heads up, they've got the embargoed release. It's frustrating as hell to be, you know, in the percentage of people who don't get the release as opposed to being in the smaller percentage of people who do. And so like the Samsung thing, there'd be plenty of people who are filthy that, you know, people like me publish the storey the minute the press conference starts because we got jump on it. So I think Apple takes a uniform approach. There's no doubt that if they could control the leaks, they could create more hype about their products. Today lacks hype because we already knew what was coming. I was on the radio before the event, you know, I'm standing at the front of the event with PR people near me going, well, today we're expecting the iPhone XS and the XS Max, and it's just, it's kind of embarrassing that I'm, I'm already aware of it.

Tommy: Yeah, Josh, you said to me yesterday that you were potentially thinking about going to Android, and then I bloody saw my missus on the, on the DMs with you on Instagram.

Josh: Slid into my DMs as soon as I mentioned Android. She was all ears.

Tommy: Yeah, but what are the things that have— that could be the last straw for Apple users to make the shift to Android?

Josh: Are you asking me?

Tommy: Yeah, sorry, Trev. Yes, Trev. Yeah, sorry.

Josh: He doesn't give a fuck. I knew straight away that he didn't give a fuck about what I thought.

Trevor: I, um, I still think Android struggles to find a way to convert iPhone users because as much as anyone wants to bag Apple for this, that, and the other, the phones are— the phones feel better, they work better, they're almost seamlessly reliable. Whereas every time I switch to Android, I come up with some sort of issue and, and just things don't work the same way, or whatever. So unfortunately, it's like trying to convince someone who's always owned a Mercedes to get a, get a Lexus, which might be a polished luxury car, but it's still a bloody Toyota, right? So I, I really struggle with how to convert someone from iOS, Apple, to any Android, um, other than things like— so for example, that, that, um, depth of field effect I was talking about, like 2 years ago Huawei did that, and I'm telling you, that was a That was amazing. You take a photo and you could choose the focus point, not even just the depth of field, but the focus point. Stuff like that is really cool. I reckon, I genuinely, and Josh, you know, bring back the Melbourne geek in you or whatever, but I'm happy to hook you up with like, I think, so Huawei for example are announcing in London on the 16th of October their next big thing. And it'll be the Huawei Mate 20, I'm pretty sure. It will be all in. I think you should try that phone, 'cause you know, you're good at photography, you love your video. I think it'd be very interesting to see you play with a phone that actually does have as good, if not better, camera than the iPhone. The problem is you need at least 2 weeks to get used to Android before you can make a proper judgement on it.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely.

Tommy: Josh, as long as we have a work phone that is Apple so I can still FaceTime you and message you.

Josh: Well, I—

Tommy: or message you.

Josh: I actually saw, Trev, your Gumtree branded piece that you did. It's funny because I am a shocker when it comes to selling my old phones. I literally have every— like, I always end up either giving it to family members or having some sort of real tokenistic, like, oh yeah, just give me $150 for this iPhone because I can't be bothered with it. But I— yeah, so I think that even if I was to get an Android I'd probably still have the iPhone. I actually like the idea of having a phone that's specific for different things where— how I've been sort of thinking about social media of late is I want to be able to create content and stuff like that, but I almost want to separate the two. I don't want to be creating all the time and then also sort of falling into consuming. So, I like the idea of having a phone which has everything that I use to create Insta Stories, to do, you know, posts on social media, and that is that phone. So I can be deliberate when I'm sort of, you know, creating.

Trevor: It's a dick move having two phones, right? So just, you gotta make a call.

Josh: How many phones do you have? How big of a dick move have you got? One, four, five?

Trevor: Hang on, I've got about 100 phones at home, but I carry one with me, okay? So I'm talking about using.

Josh: You got it.

Trevor: There was times when I'd switch to Android and I'd keep my iPhone with me. So whenever I travel, if like, if I'm on a Samsung event, I switch to Samsung. You go all in, you wear the watch or whatever. Yeah. But I always take my iPhone because my kids have— my kids are 11, 7, and 6, right? They have iPods and they have iPads. So for example, today my youngest 6-year-old sent me a text. It was during the keynote. Um, you won't be able to see it, but it's him with— he's lost, he's lost his tooth, and he sent me a text. It's a whole bunch of love hearts and like, I love you, Dad, and I lost my tooth and I got $2. If there's no— there is no physical way for a kid with an iPod to send a message to someone on an Android phone because WhatsApp requires a phone number, a bunch of reasons. Yeah, but that's the only reason I can't go all in on Android, whereas you, Josh, you just need the list. What are the apps? You talk about creating content, Insta Stories, whatever. What are the apps you use?

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Trevor: And then I bet you they're on Android.

Josh: They're cross-platform.

Trevor: And I bet you you could do fine on Android. Yeah, I think you guys talk about iMessage and FaceTime. You can do that on WhatsApp.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. I actually, I'm being more and more—

Tommy: I don't like WhatsApp.

Josh: Why don't you like WhatsApp?

Tommy: Uh, because I— yeah, it can't be fucked, mate. I haven't backed up my phone in 7 months, so I'm not probably the worst person.

Josh: And you've got an iPhone too.

Trevor: That's just lazy.

Josh: Yeah, there's No, it's not.

Trevor: WhatsApp is sensational. It's crazy lazy.

Tommy: Trev, listen to me. I've ran out of space on my MacBook Pro and I can't work out. This is like dealing with a fucked up.

Josh: Fucking hell.

Trevor: Just, I don't understand how any of these things are related. Just install the fucking app.

Josh: The funny thing is, I, you know, I love subscriptions and like for the longest time, for what, like, iCloud, like iCloud, I think is an iTunes. I think like Apple in general, when it comes to iCloud and iTunes, it's actually not very good in the sense of I can't, if I can't communicate to people how to actually use it, I think there's a problem with the product. Do you find it easy to talk about these things, Trev, or are there certain things that you even start to be like, actually, this isn't so easy?

Trevor: Oh look, I think my biggest challenge, because most of the mainstream stuff I do, you got to remember, is aimed at what I describe as mums, dads, and grandparents, right? So it's pretty easy to talk to you about the cloud, but it's kind of like talking to Tommy about the cloud. You've got to explain it a bit more.

Josh: It's like, I'm not fucking paying for the cloud, which is why it's bloody hard to explain, you know.

Trevor: But I say to people, like, a lot of people ring me and go, well, I've got this problem where my fucking email this, or I'm like, get Gmail. It's the best thing in the history of the planet. I pay, I don't know, $20 a month to Google for Gmail and storage. And it's like, it's next level. I've got every email I've sent and received since 1995. I've got all of my family photos are in the Google Cloud. They are so powerful, these tools. But it's— you've really got to find— you've got to have a reason.

Tommy: You only need to keep receipts for 5 years, mate. You've got them from '95. Time to get rid of them. Tax department.

Trevor: Yeah, but I can find those emails from back in the day and it's a great way to embarrass people. People who sent me resumes like in 1997. That's great.

Tommy: Some live troubleshooting. Is there a way for me to back up my iPhone onto an external hard drive that has the space to take the data?

Trevor: No, no, there's not. But if you back it up to the cloud, you're sweet. I don't know what your problem with the cloud is, mate.

Tommy: Just the money.

Trevor: Seriously, the money, mate. It's, um, you own big media companies. Exactly.

Josh: Chime in. Big media company, we'll get it sorted. The, um, yeah, I— so what's WhatsApp? This is all pay for AFTM sponsorship. Uh, AFTM provides our iCloud for the Daily Talk Show. Um, with WhatsApp, so is WhatsApp your main— like, do you spend more time in WhatsApp than, say, Facebook Messenger and things like that? Is it your sort of number one chatting tool?

Trevor: So you guys talk about screen time a little bit, and you got— you use the Crazy Boring Battery app to do that. When next week, when iOS 12 comes out, there's a feature called Screen Time, and it is next level, uh, monitoring. So I can tell you that today I have looked at my phone for 5 hours and 39 minutes. I've used Messages for 56 minutes. Notes for 41, and Instagram for 39. It's an unusual day because I'm at an event. I've got 209 Twitter notifications, right? I've picked up my phone 217 times. This is the information you get, right, when you use Screen Time. So my most used apps though across a week are Twitter, Instagram, Inbox, uh, and WhatsApp. I like— because WhatsApp and my most notifications come from, from WhatsApp. We, uh, so in EFTM we have, um, we have our CS group, which is a wider group of boys, like 6 or 8 of us. And then there's individual messages, and then there's some kind of smaller niche groups like editorial or cars or whatever. And it's just a great way of just sharing messages, shit you find, photos, whatever. It's awesome. It's a great app.

Josh: Have— being in the Apple bubble, did— have you seen the— I've only seen the headline about Google's Inbox. You heard about this?

Trevor: Oh yeah, what a— I'm so pissed off. I don't know, because I don't use Inbox on the web, I use Gmail on the web, but I use Inbox the app. Yeah, um, because I, I like just swiping away emails and getting rid of them. So, you know, Google's got a massive problem. They've launched so many products that they've then just walked away from. Waze, Google Plus— I mean, that's just two— and now Inbox. That it just creates this real stupid uncertainty around everything they do. You can't commit to a product, don't launch it. It's just so embarrassing.

Josh: Yeah, you wouldn't expect it. And TJ, who's looking sort of, uh, confused, uh, Google have— they've just— they're discontinuing— I haven't actually read the article, but what's the specifics on it, Trev? They're discontinuing the app.

Trevor: Yeah, they're discontinuing Inbox. So if you're a Gmail user and you go to inbox.google.com, it takes you to a very different looking Gmail, and it's all about, um, you know, snoozing a message for, you know, 3 days instead of just deleting it or keeping it in your inbox. It's about managing your inbox better, uh, clustering, um, groups of emails together in the same way that a lot of that happens in Gmail now if you use the tabs. And they're essentially going to wipe that out, and, and it all goes back to the original Gmail. They say the best features are going to be in Gmail. Rubbish. You just, you're not getting, no one's using it, so you're walking away from it and you frustrate and annoy the hell out of people who were using it.

Josh: And there's a lot of, uh, strong fans of Inbox too. People who used Inbox love Inbox, and it's, it's controlled their whole sort of life and the way they do their email.

Trevor: I'll give you another example. There was an unbelievable app about 3 years ago called Sunrise. Not to be confused with the rubbish breakfast television programme that I don't work on. Um, but, uh, it was a great app because you had your calendar, right? It was a calendar app and you could, you know, normal calendar, whatever. But when you wanted— like, if we, we talked for about 2 hours about setting up this conversation, and what I could have done with Sunrise was say, I could have said, okay, I've got this gap, this gap, and this gap, and sent you a link and you choose the answer, you choose the meeting time. And it was a great way of, of me saying these are the gaps and you saying here's the one I'll take instead of having to email back and forth and stuff. It was bought by Microsoft. What do they do? Just shut it down. Yeah, just shut it down. They didn't incorporate any of those cool features into bloody Outlook, they just got rid of it.

Josh: And that's what it's going to be really good. That's what it's going to take is it's going to take, say, a company like Google to actually incorporate a feature like that. Like, if that was in Google Calendar, we would 100% be using it. But the problem that I find is, like, I was using a service called Mixmax, which would do something similar. It would also tell me anytime someone opened up one of my emails, which would just be a bit of a headfuck because you'd constantly be— you'd be looking at your— you'd be looking at the feed and I would say, I'm like, oh shit, that client's just opened up that email, they're gonna fucking follow up about this thing. And so I'd front-foot shit.

Trevor: Man, you're micromanaging yourself.

Josh: Yeah, this is a couple of years ago, and I was literally just in my Mixmax all the time being like, that person opened up a proposal from 2 or 3 months ago, I'm gonna email them. And they would say shit like— I felt like a bit of a creep because I'd say, Josh, we were just thinking about you, we're just talking about this.

Tommy: The best thing Trev, I knew that he had this, and he also got notifications if anyone clicked on the URLs or YouTube or Facebook or Twitter, little, little, yeah, links. And so I would just—

Trevor: I'm not gonna bag him heavy because I've got a lot of notifications about stuff going on.

Josh: Yeah, so, but the thing is that, so Mixmax had a feature like that, but the problem is that all of these, all these siloed apps, um, I find just a little bit of a pain in the ass to to, um, have to deal with. Are there— what apps do you actually have on your Mac that you use that aren't sort of your standard vanilla apps?

Trevor: No, I'm pretty much web-based. I could, I could probably get by with a Chromebook most days. I live in Google Chrome, uh, my life is in Google. I live on the web, you know, my invoicing, all that kind of business operations happens, yeah, via the web. So, and you know, the only app that I miss if I'm switching computers is WhatsApp. We have WhatsApp Web, uh, the that app that I can download too, because like chatting— see, I work alone. Um, you know, it's— when in November we're setting— we've got an office we're setting up, it's still only going to be a couple of us there. But you know, that collegiate, you know, yelling across the office at someone or whatever, we do that on WhatsApp. Like, if our WhatsApp ever got published, we— I'd be in jail. It's just outrageous.

Josh: I think most people would be. I think that's like WhatsApp. I reckon WhatsApp would be like, fuck all the other ones. Fuck Snapchat, fuck you know, Tinder. I reckon if WhatsApp groups were published, I think the amount of people that would be out of jobs— I think you just wouldn't be able to—

Trevor: Pick has nothing on the shit that I say in our private groups.

Tommy: Yeah, the, um, can I get in? Yeah, can I get in on that group?

Josh: Yeah, 100%.

Tommy: Add me.

Trevor: The, um, you have to pass a stringent criteria to, uh, to know that you you're part of the crew.

Josh: Does it include backing up your phone?

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I need to do to get in, back up my iPhone.

Josh: You have to show proof of it. So today it's pretty late in California now, Trev. Talk us through the day. What sort of interviews have you had? Have you had any awkward moments, really dumb fucking questions? What's sort of the scope that you're dealing with in regards to this?

Tommy: I bet you actually haven't been trolled about the strawberry water either. Like we have.

Trevor: So no, no, no, this has been the most hectic of the day for sure. I mean, I sound like a prima donna, but it's a long day. And we talked about this last time we chatted, you know, in terms of like money and revenue and stuff. Like today I made $250. Like that's the sum total of my revenue from today, right? But I've worked, you know, like 16 hours. You got to get up early, you got to bus to this bloody thing, you got to stand around drinking strawberry-infused water. And they finally let you in. You can't go in the lift that goes down, you've got to walk down the stairs because there's 1,000 people. You can't get a seat because it's full, and you end up sitting near the front, which is awesome. I mean, I spent the first half of the keynote testing out a camera going, oh man, I can take really good photos here, zoom in. I was crazy. But you got to pay attention to the keynote while writing a storey because it's a race. Everyone— I don't know why we're racing, we're all going to publish it, the same freaking thing. But you know, you want to You want to get your article up, so you're writing during the thing. You've got to take photos with a good camera, and then you've got to transfer them via Wi-Fi and then AirDrop them to your freaking computer because you forgot your SD card reader. You know, shit goes wrong.

Josh: Yeah.

Trevor: Um, and then you've got to make sure you don't miss any important parts of the announcement. And then you go and do the bloody hands-on where you try and get 2 seconds with a thing. Now, I was lucky enough, uh, Apple paid for Channel 9 cameraman to come with me this time. Because in the past I'd have to leave like straight after the event and drive an hour north to San Francisco to a studio. So instead Channel 9 cameraman is with me and we were able to do a live cross from at the event. Yeah, so it was a bit, bit more relaxed for me. We were able to get him in and take some video of the products and stuff, none of which went to air on the live cross, which was stupid. But anyway, shit happens. And, um, and then essentially I reckon From 6 AM Sydney time, which is about— I don't know what time over here, but anyway, um, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, 6 AM Sydney time through till now, which is I guess 5 or 6 PM Sydney time. I, I would have got 3 phone calls every half hour, um, and within that time I was also trying to film a storey which will go to air on the Today Show this weekend, um do the live cross, uh, you know, walking around, getting the bus back to here, and you know, it's just kind of non-stop. So I probably did, I reckon, 30 radio interviews today, um, and the questions were all the same. It's what are they, how much do they cost, um, um, they talk of the Apple Watch, that one of the features of the Apple Watch is that it can detect a fall. So if you fall over, it knows that you fell, that you didn't trip It's a very big difference between tripping and falling over.

Josh: And if you're—

Trevor: Yells fuckwit. If you're— yeah, if you don't move for a minute, it rings 000. So if you fall and then you don't move for a minute, it will ring 000 and SMS emergency contacts in your phone your location. So think of your elderly family, that's a big deal. Hopefully not going to be used by people who are drunk on Saturday night, but That's cool. And for people with heart issues, the new Apple Watch has great advances in the way it detects your heart rate and has a fucking ECG built in. And when they showed this, you know, you put your finger on the dial and it does an ECG.

Josh: Yeah.

Trevor: And I thought, geez, guys, calm down on the whole getting people excited here. I thought, you can't really say it's an ECG. And then they wheel out a bloke from the American Heart Association and they announce that it's FDA approved. This thing is a legit ECG on your wrist. So when I tell people that, that got a lot of traction today. People pretty excited about that and people are pretty, actually blasé. I thought they'd be blowing up about the price of the thing, but actually they're pretty blasé. It wasn't really a big issue for people.

Josh: I mean, how many people are actually buying the phone outright versus getting them in a plan? Does Apple give you that sort of data?

Trevor: That's exactly why I don't think people are outraged. No, we don't get that data. Telcos don't tell you that either, but what I can tell you is that I think it's 53, up nearly 60% of people now are on prepaid, so they are buying phones up front, going to JB Hi-Fi or whatever, and the rest are either on contract or in between contracts. I did some calculations once. I work out there's 6 million phones being sold every year in Australia. So if you say 3 to 4 million of them are bought outright and there's 2 to 3 million are on a contract The majority of the ones on a contract are the expensive ones, your Samsungs, your Apples. And so most people— Tommy, I'm tipping, is going to walk— I bet you he's with Telstra. I bet you he's going to go to Telstra and say, I'm off contract, give me a new phone, give me the best one, give me the biggest one. He's going to want all the storage capacity, he's going to want 512 gigabytes, he's going to want the biggest screen. He's going to spend $2,300 on a phone, but he doesn't know that because he's going to sign a 24-month contract to spend at least $100 a month on his contract. Yeah, he's being basically bent over by Telstra and lubricated because if he just went and bought a slightly cheaper version and went with like Kogan Mobile, he'd save probably $50 a month. But he doesn't care because he just wants a new phone.

Tommy: I mean, I like that you painted me as a good person because I was just going to pull an insurance scam and say that I lost it and pay the $149 for the upgrade as well.

Josh: Is that Do you actually think that we'll see, like, will the telco price actually shift that much? Will we see the equivalent shift in whatever the cost of the phone is to, you know, a percent of, you know, what we're going to be paying every month?

Trevor: So I look at it, um, you know, think of your $40, $50, $60, and $100 plans going up. I look at where the $0 handset is. So last year for a $999 iPhone 8, Um, I don't know off the top of my head, I'm just going to guess, but let's say the $0 was at $80 for Telstra. Telstra is the benchmark because they always charge so much. So you had to sign up to an $80 plan to get a free phone. Yeah, I can't imagine you're going to get a free phone at $80 or less. Yeah, you're going to have to be spending more than $80, and the telcos will love it because business people will know there's a great thing called ARPU, the average revenue per user. And everyone who wants one of these phones is gonna sign up for a big plan and that's gonna lift the average revenue. The telcos are gonna absolutely love it. But what the telcos don't love is the new iPhone is dual SIM. Now dual SIM phones are not new. It means you can have 2 SIM cards in. You can have your Telstra SIM and a Lebara or a Kogan Mobile and you use one for phone and one for data 'cause you got a crazy good data deal. They've never, the telcos have never sold dual SIM phones And I reckon Apple has shocked the hell out of them. And I think in Australia they'll block it. I don't think the telcos will allow the dual SIM. And that's just another way our telcos control the market.

Tommy: It's—

Trevor: well, this is crazy how much use really, like, we haven't—

Josh: you haven't really touched on it yet. So just explain that. So, uh, basically the phone will be able to accept two SIM cards. Did they actually give any indication of— I'm guessing this is a popular thing, I think, in India or other parts of the world.

Trevor: Yeah, it's, it's huge in, in the US because in the US you've got to remember they actually call their, their numbers lines. They say you can have two lines, you can get a second line. People want two numbers. Um, there's great call deals and there's great data deals. So you put two SIM cards, like the Samsung Galaxy, you can put two SIM cards in. And what happens is you say, I want all your calls come through on both, so you've got two numbers. But you say, my, when I make a call, it should should by default use this SIM card, and when I use data, it should by default use that SIM card. The Apple one doesn't physically have two SIMs. One of the SIMs you, you actually slid into the phone. The other one is what we call an eSIM. It's built into the phone and it's programmed by the software to be for a certain telco. Weirdly though, in China they can't do that, and they've got a SIM tray in the side of the iPhone that, that has two nano SIMs, one on either side. It's like strange, but in China it's a slightly different phone. So in Australia, the— you put a, like, a Kogan mobile SIM in and you'll get Telstra to activate the eSIM portion of the phone. I just, I just don't think they'll allow it. And I'll be interested if they do, it'll be groundbreaking because cool new deals coming our way.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, they— I remember an old school phone back in the day that had a dual SIM and it was just a gimmick back then. And that was— they were the big SIMs, the, the two of the old school big SIMs.

Trevor: I have no use for it, but I know a lot of people that get a work-issued phone and— but they want to keep their personal number. So dual SIM phones mean you can, you can keep your personal number but only carry around one phone. Um, dual SIM phones for people with relatives overseas, you sign up this crazy little telcos you've never heard of that have got cheap as chips international minutes. You put one of those in for your international calls. And then there's your, you know, like Tommy's going to sign up to a rubbish Telstra plan that gives him 60GB of data, which is just crazy. I don't know how much you're spending, it worries me.

Josh: But you're like, whatever you can't fucking afford iCloud.

Trevor: Yeah, a third of the price, you get the same amount of data with Vodafone. So you might put a Vodafone SIM in just for the data. That's what people will do. I just don't know if that's going to come to Australia yet, and it certainly won't come this year.

Josh: I think so. What do you know? Did you get any indication from the telcos? Like, I guess if there was government regulation that said that they couldn't be anti-competitive and that they needed to allow this, do you think stuff like that would actually happen? Is there actually a reason to do that, do you think?

Trevor: The only reason is they don't want you to have two SIM cards. So, um, any competitor, I don't think they'd win the argument because you can buy the things in JB Hi-Fi and have the dual SIM. The telcos are just greedy. Um, I, I actually think they'll be forced into doing it because if Apple's doing it globally, they can't really just shun them. So, um, the other cool— like about, I don't know, 4 years ago, you started in some countries to be able to have 2 SIM cards but 1 phone number. So you'd have a SIM card in your car and a SIM card in your phone, and if someone rang you, it would ring on both.

Josh: Yeah, like the Apple Watch essentially, right?

Trevor: Exactly. So when Apple announced the Apple Watch this time last year, they, they forced the Aussie telcos to enable this dual SIM one number feature. It cost tens of millions of dollars for the telcos to do. Vodafone did it, did it faster. Telstra have still not enabled it for business customers, but it forced their hand. So I wonder if this dual SIM iPhone will force the telcos' hand with allowing a dual SIM phone. But no matter what happens, I'm confident that it won't work this year because the telcos have got to physically do work on their systems to make it work with these eSIMs. So I don't think it'll be available this year. It'll be a mid-next year thing, I think.

Josh: And could just one telco allow— like, what's the buy-in going to be for telcos? Will it mean we have a master SIM and then you need— or is it the, the telco that allows eSIMs? Like, who actually needs to move their tech and to enable it? Or is it across the board everyone needs to sort of say, you know, we're going in this direction?

Trevor: Think of it this way. The little telcos, Lebara and just little tiny telcos, they don't have eSIM. They're never going to have it. They only ever get the SIM card from the, you know, from the servo. So we rely on the big telcos, Telstra, Optus, and Vodafone to enable eSIM as a technology. And so they will control the eSIM. And they'll leave the vacant SIM tray. So what the telcos need to do is just be so competitive that the eSIM becomes a really easy way to set up a phone. So you take an iPhone out of the box, you can do it now with an iPad. If you've got an iPad from the last few years, it's got an eSIM built into it and you can actually buy a data plan on the device. So you can buy a phone from a shop, open it up and go, I want to be with Vodafone, um, I want to spend $20 a month. And so the whole transaction occurs on the phone. So there's huge advantages for them there, but the disadvantage is it leaves this little SIM tray open and vacant for someone to go, actually, why don't I get some more data off that company over there? And they just prepay a bit of data. And I, look, I think the telcos just got to bite the bullet and let it happen, but I, I think they'll fight it for as long as they can.

Tommy: So I just think this is a win-win for Kogan because he's gonna— he'll use this.

Trevor: Yeah, bloody oath, mate. Like, the number one recommendation I make for mobile is Kogan Mobile. Vodafone network, it's fast, it's good, and the data is super cheap. And mate, you pay 12 months in advance with Kogan, you get massive discounts, and any change they make to the plans within that 12 months, they give to the people who've already paid for the 12 months in advance. So if they add data, they give to everyone. It's bloody— like, they do a good job.

Tommy: I think that was integration of a live read. Amazing, Trev.

Josh: Unbelievable. I'm gonna send this to Ruslan and he's gonna fucking pay up. I think, yeah, let's double your $2.50 from the day.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it'll get you to $500.

Josh: The Vodafone, I think, has come a long way. I remember, you know, they were called Vodafone for a while there.

Trevor: Yeah, 2010.

Josh: With the phone reception and stuff like that. Have they actually, have they done things to their network over the last few years that are actually making them better, or is it a PR thing?

Trevor: Yeah, I can remember, um, I don't know when it was, but I'm going to say 4 years ago. I'm on 2UE in Sydney taking calls. Someone rings up and they go, which telco do you recommend I go with? And I ask a couple questions. I say, listen, it's really simple. Telstra is the best, Optus is in between, and Vodafone don't have the best network. I left the studio and my phone rang and it was the head of PR at Vodafone, and she was totally lovely. She said, um, did you have reception?

Josh: I was like, mate, I can't hear you.

Trevor: Very funny. No, I was with Optus at the time, uh, and she rang me, she said, listen, let's, let's have a burger. Well, that's a straight way to my heart, no dramas.

Tommy: Did that, Johnny Rocket.

Trevor: She said, listen, I, I hear what you're saying, but can you just give us a try? And it's a fair point, right? I'm bagging them essentially, but I've not— never been with them. So I switched, and for the first 6 months it was, it was good, not amazing, but they would— they kind of kept me in the loop, and I'd I'd email them and say I had really bad service here, really bad service there, or whatever, and they would tell me about the roadmap. And over about a year and 18 months, they invested, I don't know, $3 billion. Bottom line, their network's excellent in metro. They've got more customers in Sydney than Telstra in metro Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, everywhere, and big areas like Shepparton and Wagga and all that. They're great. On the highway between Timbuktu and wherever the hell else, it's rubbish. But so is Optus. And who the hell needs a phone out there? So 90% of Australians, they say to me, oh, but Telstra is great in the regions. I'm like, when was the last time you drove past Gron Grong? And they go, where's that? And I go, well, there you go. You've got no idea. You've never been to the regions.

Tommy: So bottom line, Vodafone's network— They actually thought you had a fit at the moment that you said that. Gron Grong.

Trevor: Gron Grong.

Josh: Is that actually where is that place?

Trevor: Gron Grong, we're on Warum Wai Wai.

Tommy: Ah, yes.

Trevor: Grong Grong is about 20 km out of Narandra in Silverina, New South Wales.

Josh: Trev, the big question, are you going to get one of the latest phones? If so, which one?

Trevor: So what can I tell you? Oh, you mean just me if I was a buyer?

Josh: Yeah. If you're in my world. Yeah. Like, I think like, what is it going to be your daily driver going forward? Whether that's provided by Apple or you, you know, fork out the money yourself.

Trevor: Well, it'll definitely be provided by Apple because I haven't bought a phone in like 7 years. Um, but, um, so what— let me tell you what will happen here. So the event was today and it's about to be midnight. Um, I don't mind saying to you that tomorrow at some point I'll be whisked away in a bus to a room somewhere and they'll give me— I'll have to sit down for about 45 minutes and listen to them tell me everything I just heard today in the keynote, but just kind of for me., and then they'll, they'll probably give me a device. They might, I don't know, don't know that for sure. They might. And then I'm not allowed to— I'm not— I won't be allowed to, you know, use that device or show anyone that device until a certain point in time. Um, so next week or the week after, there'll be an embargo that'll lift and my review will come out, so will everyone else's. At that point, I'll probably go, listen, I wouldn't mind the blue one instead of the red one, or whatever. So if they, if they were to give me a yellow phone Yeah, I'd use it for the review and then I'd ring up and say, any chance I could get the blue one? Or, you know, that kind of thing. I reckon the iPhone XR— so hard with the names, the X's and all that kind of stuff— I reckon the iPhone XR is a cracking good phone. It's cheaper than the X, it's colorful, there's 6 colors, the screen is LCD but it still looks great, camera is still good, it's not amazing, but is it the iPhone SE? That's the phone of choice. No, definitely not. It's, it's the iPhone X without an OLED screen and without a dual lens camera.

Josh: Okay, is it replacing the SE in the sense, like, the way that you're seeing it, in the sense of it's a stripped back?

Trevor: So the SE was way— SE was stripped back like a lot further than that, a long way back. Oh, really? The iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8. It's, it's the first point of entry into the iPhone market. But the iPhone 7 and 8 will remain on sale because they've got to have phones that are slightly cheaper in price. So yeah, I think the— I think the colourful iPhone XR will sell very well because a lot of people will want a red or a yellow or a blue phone. I'll probably just go black. Yeah, but I reckon a black iPhone XS or XR Perfect phone.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: One last question.

Josh: Yeah, go for it, TJ.

Tommy: When you get whisked off tomorrow, can you just ask them if there's any way of backing my phone up to a hard drive? It's off my external, please. There might be someone there that knows.

Trevor: Is there a— Asked and answered.

Josh: Is there a sense, sort of, to wrap things up, what I'm really curious about is this relationship with Apple and sort of not knowing what's going to happen and sort of just, I guess, you sort of fingers crossed that each time you get invited back. I remember, and Trev, you probably have, you know, consumed similar content back in the day, but I remember Leo Laporte, who is on the network. One day he was invited to, he was invited to all the Apple events. He said something. I can't remember what it was. He pissed them off and he was never sort of invited again. You know, what's, what's your take on, on that sort of stuff, and how much is that in the back of your mind?

Trevor: I play it two ways. I, I respect the fact that they've invited me here and they've brought me here, but it doesn't change what I say to anyone about their products.

Josh: Yeah.

Trevor: Um, the good thing is I'm a pretty big fan of their products, and let's not kid ourselves, they're not stupid. They essentially vet people over many years to work out who they're going to bring. The Australian team only get to bring X number of people, and we never know how much— who's going to be here. I get my itinerary and I go, oh, my, the car that's picking me up at the airport is also going to be Val. He's from Sunrise, so Val's going to be there. You never know until dinner who's going to be here. One of my best mates, um, didn't get invited this time around, and that's really heartbreaking, but I can't control that. It's not my— nothing I can do. All I can do is keep getting on The Today Show.

Tommy: Yeah, I thought you were going to say update him through the WhatsApp group about what's going on. Yeah, send him photos.

Trevor: I haven't mentioned anything, mate.

Josh: The strawberry water is delicious, you're missing out.

Trevor: It's a daily talk show. I've only ever had a really bad phone call from Apple once. It was when the iPhone 6 Plus came out. Yeah, like all day on the radio I called it stupidly big, stupidly big phone. And they just come over and they said, listen, can you stop calling it stupid? I said, I guess so, but it's just my view.

Josh: Trev, Thanks so much for staying up and chatting to us, because I know that it is fucking late and we are very low down on the media spectrum or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

Trevor: But my day has peaked with this.

Josh: Exactly. This is going out strong, mate. You're going to have the problem with doing it so late is you'll be dreaming about us all night. It's just going to constantly, you know, have dreams of strawberry fields and fucking weird shit like that.

Trevor: But I'll stop dreaming about it.

Josh: When are you back in Australia? You're back on a flight tomorrow?

Trevor: I leave tomorrow night. I arrive Saturday morning so I can go and see my son play baseball.

Josh: Amazing. Very quickly, baseball. Like, I've seen a few mentions of baseball. Is there a big sort of culture starting up with baseball playing in Sydney? Is it a big— is it becoming—

Trevor: I think it's just a bit niche in our kind of northern Sydney area. There's a bit of it goes on. It's just a good alternative summer sport. That means you don't have to sit around and watch kids play cricket all fucking day.

Josh: Yeah, I like it. I used to play T-ball and I know it was sort of the amateur baseball.

Trevor: It's a great sport. I think it's a great team sport for kids because everyone plays a role.

Josh: Yeah, no, I love it. Awesome, Trev. Have a good one. It's the Daily Talk Show. We'll see you tomorrow.

Trevor: Cheers, guys.