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Tommy: Nearly forgot the name of it. The Daily Show. The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Are you kidding me?

Tommy: You know why? Because last night I was watching a comedy special by Trevor Noah, who hosts The Daily Show in America. And so I just did my head in there and tried to work out.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, Josh and Tommy, episode 16.

Josh: Yeah, it's, what is it, Tuesday the 6th? 6th of Feb. Of Feb.

Tommy: It's my son's birthday in one week. One year old.

Josh: He's, uh, and you've got his party.

Tommy: Party this— are you coming?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, good.

Josh: I'm coming.

Tommy: I said it like you hadn't replied to me, but I told you ages ago, so I did.

Josh: You've asked me to fucking film.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll just all film. I want to capture the moment.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Like I capture every other moment.

Josh: No, we're literally looking at going to, um, Tasmania on the weekend.

Tommy: And what?

Josh: And we said no, we can't because we've got Brodie's birthday.

Tommy: I appreciate that. Hopefully Bodhi appreciates that.

Josh: What goes into organising a 1-year-old's birthday?

Tommy: For me? Not much. My wife, she's getting juice. She's like, oh mate, it takes a lot of effort. And that's why I have been very apprehensive to put in any time.

Josh: Oh mate, the juice, it's all so hard. You've nailed it, mate.

Tommy: No, but like the invitation, sending it out, it's just, it's a bit much for me.

Josh: So you did the physical invites?

Tommy: We actually didn't. She created one and it was digital, so I had to text them out.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: You still got to do that. It was like, I have to have all these interactions. Anyway, it's happening. She's bought little things from online to hang on trees.

Josh: Okay. Is there going to be a fucking— what am I describing? What's that hand thing that I'm doing?

Tommy: You either got a knife in your hand.

Josh: Yeah, similar.

Tommy: Tommy Hawk.

Josh: Similar, but it's like one of those like—

Tommy: Oh, piñata.

Josh: Piñata. You can have a piñata.

Tommy: No, no piñata.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: The kid can't even walk yet. Okay.

Josh: Well, he doesn't even know it's a fucking party, so why don't we not have have it at all.

Tommy: That's why I want to capture it on video.

Josh: Do you think you have to have a 1-year-old party, don't you? Like you—

Tommy: Personally, I'm not a big fan of parties or birthdays, like, but I think it's nice. It's for the parents. We're getting together. There'll be a few drinks, family, my cousins, nibbles, a few nibbles, a few fruit platters. Yeah, we're going to have a barbecue. So, BYO some meat if you want.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Tommy: You'll be up for that.

Josh: I don't know if that was on the invite, but—

Tommy: I don't know. Nothing was on other than the location.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But then, yeah, anyway. So, we were just having a discussion because you were saying you didn't want me to download too much because you don't have much downloads left on your internet.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: I don't want to get into that. We spoke about it yesterday, but there was a reason why you don't have any downloads. It's because you uploaded like how many gig?

Josh: 30,000. Well, I downloaded— I uploaded 30,000 photos.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: 30,000.

Tommy: This was all just from your phone or?

Josh: Yeah, it was a mix. No, so I'd gone through hard drives and my phone and put every photo that I could ever find that I've taken onto Google Photos, which is like a cloud-based service.

Tommy: And you were pretty happy about this technology that they have. Fucking great. You're like, they've got facial recognition, I can find people that I want, you can just search it. So, I was kind of impressed by all of that. And then I got to this point the other day and I wanted to talk about yesterday, but we've gone into into some other topics. Oh my gosh. And it's some— It's super scary, dude. Have you heard of deepfake?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Deepfake.

Josh: Oh, is deepfakes— Is this the like where it looks like you, it talks like you can—

Tommy: It's 100% you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so, let me just explain deepfakes. From what I know, this guy on Reddit or 4chan, one of those things, His account, his username was Deepfakes or Deepfake, and he built this system. I don't even know what that looks like. It's all coding, I guess. If you can say for a celebrity, Jennifer Aniston.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Jennifer Aniston has probably been photographed or there's an image from every angle that shows her face in every different angle. And what they do is they take thousands of photos and render them. It's like a big sampling, a face.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So what's happening and where this is the danger is like there's already been like Gal Gadot, Wonder Woman, there's already been a porno of her released with this rendering using the deepfake programme and it looks identical. I've only seen a screenshot, but in this video, like just search deepfake on YouTube and there's people talking about it. Nicolas Cage, they've been taking him and putting him onto girls, you know, like scenes from movies where they're just like— I don't even know how it works. You might have an understanding.

Josh: Well, so it's just like when you have a huge amount of samples of something, you're able to interpret that. So, if you have every single situation, if you have them, it's the same with— I mean, this is like a complex soundboard. Do you remember in like the early 2000s you would like go on a soundboard site and you could pretend like you were Austin Powers?

Tommy: I used to do prank calls.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Samples, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Josh: Exactly. And that was, um, give me your gloves. And that's really just sampling, right? It's just taking samples from all different places and then making it easy for you to click on. And so this is sample at scale. I guess the risk is that with everything that we share now, people can just scrape your Instagram.

Tommy: Oh, 100%. And so 100,000+ people have downloaded this programme and started doing it. There's like, um, Emma Watson's been in an adult film. She technically wasn't, but yeah, dude, it looks ridiculous. And so like, where it goes from like, you know, high-end, you know, pornographic-looking films to like fuzzy footage that's CCTV where you could be framed by having your face rendered onto a bank robber.

Josh: I think that was what Trump was trying to say With his whole, um, grab him by the pussy comment.

Tommy: There was no footage of that.

Josh: Yeah, no, but he was saying the audio. He's like, ah, insane.

Tommy: Yeah, he's lost his head. Yeah, it was his audio. Yeah, it was him. But no, but then also there's— have you heard about the audio one? So like, we've done 16 podcasts. Yeah, there's probably every inflection that we do. We've said majority of the words that String said.

Josh: Don't know anything could be more incriminating than the squeegee storey anyway.

Tommy: So episode 14, very, um, Quality, quality storey coming from Josh. But is there— my point is, you fear around— have you got any fear? Because I have been pretty disregarding of that fear over the times. No, my best mate, he's a, um, skeptic, uh, James. He loves the conspiracy theory.

Josh: Have I already told the, um, the storey of him thinking that it was the government?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you totally—

Josh: makes me laugh every time.

Tommy: He thinks the government's onto it. But my point being, he's very skeptical. I've always like been Dude, it doesn't really matter. I'm not doing anything wrong.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But that has made me so mixed with you uploading 30,000 images, which I'm probably in some of them, plus this new technology. It's like, what? Are you even scared?

Josh: Nah, nah. I think I like, I'm more scared of the whole Earth just imploding. You know what I mean?

Tommy: Like blowing up and you going.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like not you somehow starring in A porno. A porno.

Josh: No, but even, you know, extend it beyond to whatever. It's like there's going to be way more people who are going to be targeted before us.

Tommy: Of course.

Josh: But also, not only that, it's like, yeah, I wonder about things like when I— whenever I read about North Korea or anything like that, I'm like, man, we could all just be dead real soon. And then all of a sudden you stop thinking about anything. Deadlines don't matter anymore. It's like, fuck it. Like, who needs to organise what we, you know, the trip that we're going to do? So, people, do you plan out very far?

Tommy: Yeah. In respect to what?

Josh: Just life. Like, are you like, I've got, I know people who are like, oh yeah, we've decided we're going on a trip 2021.

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: It's like, are you fucking kidding me?

Tommy: Booked a trip to Bali a couple of days ago.

Josh: Oh, and when are you going?

Tommy: In May, got a wedding.

Josh: Oh, yeah, that's right.

Tommy: But it was like, that's as far as we're thinking ahead.

Josh: And Bodhi, is he going?

Tommy: And he's coming.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: Well, it's free flights. You get free flights for kids up until 2 years old. Pain in the arse though, they got to sit in your lap. And so, they're crying and it's—

Josh: Your lap?

Tommy: My lap or Amy's lap or the bloke sitting next to us. It's funny, when we went to New Zealand—

Josh: You flying Jetstar or?

Tommy: Yes. Yes, Jetstar, mate, $1,000 return, $250 each way.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's crazy. It's cheap. It is for a 6-hour flight. And then we're in Bali. But when we went to New Zealand, it's amazing people on the plane. I took Bodhi up and I was walking through the aisle and it was just a small plane, you know, 2 sides, window, 2 window, you know, either side.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No middle row. And there was a tour group. From China.

Josh: They would have loved him.

Tommy: And Bodhi's a fat little white boy.

Josh: Yeah. And blue eyes.

Tommy: When we were on the plane, he was exceptionally fat at this time.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, he looks like this little white Buddha and he was in this cute little outfit that made him look like a real baby.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That blue little tiger outfit. You— That's a video of you looking after him and he was wearing that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, They, this one guy was like, "Oh, can I hold?" He didn't say that, he couldn't speak English. And so, he grabs and it just erupted. There was a, it was like 20 of them all just like, "Hey, Rupilda!" Taking photos.

Josh: Isn't it nice to have that connection though?

Tommy: I walked off, I gave him to him.

Josh: In that moment, you could be a cunt and just be like, "No, you can't hold him." But I love the idea that you're just like, "Yeah, sure." He's a rock star and he loves attention.

Tommy: And then we got off the plane, picking up our bags and there they were again. Same thing. They were all getting selfies with him.

Josh: What are you doing? What are you doing with those photos? Exactly. Yeah, I wonder what's that? What's the equivalent? I always feel weird when I'm in like Southeast Asia or something. I get real snap happy, just taking photos of people. Maybe that's the equivalent.

Tommy: And what have you done with them? You've incriminated them. They're now on the internet, on Google.

Josh: Oh, do you know what? This makes me slightly nervous. I took all of these photos I took on, like, took photos, put them on Flickr, put them as Creative Commons licensing, which means that people can use them and they just have to credit me.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: But there's so many photos I've taken. I don't know if I was clear enough with everyone that, like, it was Creative Commons. So, if you type in my name and go into Google Images, there's heaps of photos that aren't of me, but photos that I took.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: And it's articles like knowing to shut up and it's like it will have like a photo that I took of someone with like a bit of tape on their mouth and shit.

Tommy: How to suppress minorities. Josh with tape on his mouth.

Josh: Yeah, it has that vibe. So, it's a little bit, the Creative Commons thing's a bit interesting.

Tommy: Have you ever, is it gone any further than that?

Josh: Any— I've had people reach out to me and say, hey, I saw you in this article, Josh. Old photos. Yeah. But outside of that—

Tommy: So, there's this movement online, and I know you're aware of it, around the drone laws.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, I bought my drone, how long ago? I bought it pretty soon, like as soon as the Mavic—

Josh: Early drone dude.

Tommy: Early drone, I'd say. And I went pretty hard flying it from the start. And it was around the time where they were still establishing half of the laws for drones.

Josh: I think they weren't necessarily establishing the laws, they just hadn't been good at clearly communicating them, right?

Tommy: It was super unclear. The website of the governing body was horrible. Now there's an actual app that you can see where you're actually allowed to fly and all this stuff. But anyway, there's— so there's these groups. DJI is like the leader in the creators of drones, and there's a heap of DJI Mavic, which is the type of drone, forums on Facebook. But then what someone's then gone and done is creates They've called it DJI Mavic in brackets, no sheriffs. So, there's this movement of sheriffs. They're basically keyboard warriors.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That's if you are flying in a place where you're not meant to, you'll get hounded. If you've posted on the DJI Mavic page, you'll get hounded by these sheriffs who are just like, oh, I'm reporting you. I'm gonna—

Josh: What do you reckon their deal is? Do they come from like real care and safety? Are they pilots?

Tommy: I don't think so.

Josh: You might get some of them.

Tommy: Yes, they are certified, which means they're kind of like, you guys ruin it for the people who have spent 5 grand on getting a license.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, so there's the DJI Mavic, the DJI Mavic Sheriffs page.

Josh: And you had a guy reach out to you recently?

Tommy: Yeah, he reached out to me informing me that he'd been fined for flying a drone in this spot.

Josh: And then you found an older message from it, like this persistent guy.

Tommy: I think it's like people, it's becoming a massive time waster that people are like, "Oh, I'm gonna contact this guy about his drone footage and tell him that, you know, it's like—" Get a life. I know, it's like, get a life, seriously. But so, on the DJI Sheriff's page—

Josh: No sheriffs or the one that we're— Oh, sorry, no sheriffs allowed page.

Tommy: So, it's like loose people flying fucking drones everywhere. It's awesome. They told, one guy posted about, This page, and let me— I'm just finding it. I know this is, uh, this is what you don't like.

Josh: No, this is what you don't like.

Tommy: No, no, but it's how it adds to it. So it turns out there's another forum called Australian UAV Certified Operators.

Josh: Sheriffs allowed.

Tommy: So it's basically only sheriffs.

Josh: Okay, so it's people only here, it's only sheriffs.

Tommy: It's people who says boring footage have got their fucking license, and they're coming after people. And the reason it was on this, um, No Sheriffs Allowed page is because they were outing them. It's like, we found another sheriff, here he is, here's the page that he follows. Anyway, so I clicked onto this Australian UAV Certified Operators, 456 members, and I pressed join. Yeah. And it prompted me with this asking you to— so you're gonna fill out 3, you fill out 3 questions. Yes. This is what I want to show you. So please answer the questions from the admins. It helps them review membership requests, and only they can see your answers. The first question: Do you hold a REPL or equivalent licence for an over 2 kilogramme drone? I said yes, I don't. Yeah, sure. The second: Are you located in Australia? Yes, that was true. This is the third one: Is it wrong To get a sausage from Bunnings with a drone. So, in Australia, there was a guy who got a heap of publicity for flying his drone from his hot tub to Bunnings where they have these sausage sizzles. Yeah. And you pay $2 for a sausage in some white bread, and he got it attached to his drone and flew it back to his hot tub and ate it. It was all a bit of a stitch-up, didn't it? Happened like that. Yeah. You know, cut together. But the guy got, you know, basically a case against him from—

Josh: Yeah, it wasn't, but it wasn't crazy. Like when you think about how much people kick up a fuss, it would have been like a small fine. Well, the headline read, man potentially—

Tommy: Fined. Potentially fined $9,000 for flying his drone illegally. He got fined $900. Yeah. I would pay $900 tomorrow to get that publicity for a great idea like he had.

Josh: Yeah. You do love publicity, though.

Tommy: Nothing wrong with that. So, I answered, is it wrong? Yes. And I got in.

Josh: I wonder what would happen if you said no.

Tommy: That's what I was thinking. I should—

Josh: I know, I don't want to do it because I don't want all of the sheriffs onto me. We've got another Noah. Got another Noah. Fuck.

Tommy: But seriously, what— I get it. Like this, there is going to be an incident where, like, there's already a drone was being flown in near Heathrow Airport and smashed into the nose of an aeroplane. Yeah, that's not good. I mean, there is a level of logic, right? Yeah. That's like— I understand.

Josh: No, I really, I understand the, like, you, we do need the laws and I like stick by them. Where I don't, I'm probably looser is as long as I'm following CASA, which is like the—

Tommy: Civil Aviation Services Australia.

Josh: Yeah. As long as I'm following their stuff. So, from a safety point of view. The national parks ones and shit, I'm less fucking worried about.

Tommy: So, CASA are the company that will fine you for smoking in an aeroplane toilet.

Josh: Oh, interesting.

Tommy: And they're the ones that will fine you if you're flying your drone over a festival.

Josh: Who the fuck can't go without a ciggy? Who need— Like, the fact that they have to say that's illegal.

Tommy: Sam Newman? No, someone. That's a classic.

Josh: Who was it? There was also the Sam Newman-esque celebrity that got caught trying to bring a knife onto the plane. Do you remember that? I feel like it was like Rex Hunt or something. He probably had a reason.

Tommy: It's a fishing knife, mate. I'm actually going fishing.

Josh: There was someone who was trying to prove a point, so they tried to smuggle a knife from the lounge. This was like Mid, like early 2000s, just after September 11th.

Tommy: Not the best idea, mate. Yeah.

Josh: Wasn't ideal. Have you ever done anything where you've potentially got in trouble at like an official thing like an airport? Ever said it? You would. I feel like you could be a bit loose and scammy.

Tommy: Nah. No, I'm reserved there. Like, you know the how extreme it is, like walking through customs. You can't film, and I don't film. Yeah, you— I have filmed just before getting into customs. It's probably the cheekiest thing I've done.

Josh: The, um, I feel like you're actually pretty, pretty good with all that stuff.

Tommy: I like to apply logic to this shit, and it's the same with the drone stuff. It's like, don't be an idiot. If the drone falls right now, is it going to kill somebody because it's 100 metres in the air and it's going to land on someone's head?

Josh: You never let me play with your drone.

Tommy: I remember that. Sorry, How about you tell people about the first time you didn't even own a drone, you borrowed. Hey, mate, can I borrow this guy's drone? What did you do with the drone that you borrowed?

Josh: Oh, well, just like day 2, I flew it up really quickly and didn't look above me and hit some power lines and it smashed down and I had to buy it. Yeah.

Tommy: How much was the drone?

Josh: Oh, it was like 3 grand.

Tommy: So, I had to get a replacement. I don't lend my drone out for the simple reason of I don't want to be in an awkward situation with a friend. No. Because I've nearly crashed it. I haven't crashed it yet, but I've nearly crashed it. And I know how easy it is to crash. Yeah. Like, even though they've got like avoidance technology on them, it's like—

Josh: Yeah, well, mine had all of it. Mine had every avoid— It just didn't have it above the one, like, that's where the propellers are.

Tommy: It goes up. Yeah. So, the CASA, what else is interesting about them is the opening an investigation. So, for them, say if I see you flying your drone.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then I see that footage and I'm like, that's illegal and I want to open an investigation against you. I've looked into this because I wanted to see if anyone could open investigations into anything I've ever done. Yeah. They cannot open an investigation unless they have sufficient evidence of you flying it. Yeah. Because footage is one thing, but then seeing you with the controller.

Josh: Yeah. You could just say I was doing it with a really long stick.

Tommy: They wouldn't know. Yeah. And so, you need a photo of you or a video of you actually taking it off in these areas that are illegal.

Josh: I wonder if that would be legal. Like, you know how we've got limits around flying and how high it can be? What about like a 200-meter stick?

Tommy: Nah. So, there's— I think there's blanket rules when it comes to this stuff. Remember that idea I had for a video where I was going to fill a bunch of condoms. It was an idea for a condom brand, fill a bunch of condoms with helium and put like a GoPro at the bottom of it and it be on a real string. So, it's like a drone.

Josh: Yeah. Condom drone. And why did you look into it? Could you not do it? No, no.

Tommy: Look, it's flying. I did look into that specific space and I think it is, yeah. Anything in the air, especially if you can't control it. Yeah. Like helium-filled condoms. There's not much control over that. It's true. So, there you go. Yeah, I think there's blanket rules that it's like you just can't. Yeah.

Josh: I was just going to change subjects into— You put out the Briggs video.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: I was just wanting to talk about YouTube in general. How, like, so, you're on a 100-day, 100 videos this year challenge. How many have you done?

Tommy: 10, made 11. I've got a couple more to make this year, this week.

Josh: How are you feeling about it all?

Tommy: It's, it's hard. Well, because I think the, like, how big a video is, is what sort of the barrier is where you start thinking they need to be of a certain size. Yeah. Or like a certain quality. Yeah. And quality meaning just not footage-wise, but like quality of the storey or something. Whereas like some of the videos I've made that have been small and quick and off the cuff have worked really well.

Josh: But that's almost like luck, right? Like there's an element of luck. If it's really easy, sometimes it's like, okay, well, that was just like a— We can get excited about it and realise actually that was just— While we didn't plan that one, we got lucky with that one. Where it's like it doesn't mean that— I find that sometimes that will happen where I'm like, fuck, that was easy. I didn't have to do much work. I just started talking and it was because everything worked out where it's like the topic was the right topic, all of those types of things.

Tommy: But the, I guess, the ethos of 100 is that the more you do, the luck you'll probably get.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think that that's luck in general, right? It's like preparation meeting opportunity. Are you finding that you're seeing video making, filmmaking, all of that stuff in a different light now that you're doing this?

Tommy: It's more around the personal brand stuff. Yeah. So attaching somebody to a video, it makes it easier, but it's more— people connect more with it. It's more— it's interesting to see. Like, I went to this party on the weekend, an engagement. There was heaps of people there. A few people mentioned the videos, but I was like, all the views are probably just this— the people within my circle People I grew up with that are still watching, like so many people know my wife, Amy. Because of the videos. Never met her. They're just like, "Oh, I feel like I know you." Yeah. And so, there is that.

Josh: That happens with Bree, because she goes into my old work because she's working with the founder. And yeah, they're like, "Oh, Bree, I feel like I know you, blah, blah, blah.

Tommy: I see you on Instagram." The internet's just breaking down. And so Amy was confused on the weekend, was like, I don't know if I've actually met her. And I'm like, nah, I'm pretty sure you have. Then I asked the girl, have you met Amy? She said, yeah, but then I can't remember where. And it might have just been online. Yeah, I met— this is— I was about to name drop Kogan. Yeah, we bumped into Kogan, the guy who owns kogan.com. We— I grew up with him, um, and Amy never met him. Yeah. And I hadn't seen I hadn't seen Ruslan in years and he's like to Amy, I was like, oh, Ruslan, this is my wife, Amy. And he's like, oh, I— He was really awkward. He's like, I feel like I know you. I've seen all— I've seen lots of your videos. So funny. It was like, dude, haven't seen for a long time my wife.

Josh: Perspective, like the— It's funny how, like, I think about it, like, I feel like I know a bunch of people in Melbourne. Do you feel the same way? Yeah. Yeah. But then, and I think that we can trick ourselves into thinking that we know heaps of people, but then if you go out onto the street, like, what, 100 out, like most people we walk past, we might know. 100%, yeah. And that's like, we live in this world where we trick ourselves, our minds into thinking like, oh, man, it's a small world. We know all these people and like we know fuck all and like no one's watching our shit.

Tommy: Melbourne versus Sydney. There's like a, I think there's a lot more. I think it's easier to know more people in Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah. Well, because it's not as scattered, like Sydney has its pockets and you can be known. Yeah.

Tommy: You're probably not going to know a great deal of people over on the east, Bondi. Yeah. And so, Amy, like, is fascinated by me and the people that I know and all the schools that I'm in touch with and like the groups we hung out with. She's like, It's kind of cool. I wish I had that. But then we didn't have— We don't have Bondi Beach.

Josh: But then it's the other thing too, is if I go into— Go to Berwick or Endeavour Hills, there's a good likelihood that I'll bump into someone that I went to school with or that I know. And I guess that's part of the effect that you're saying is because you're inner city, like because you were a bit more inner city, you're sort of still playing in your— It's like you're living where you grew up. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. So, if you grew up in the outer suburbs and you move in, you're not going to know many people. No, exactly. I'm not moving to the outer suburbs. Yeah. Where I wouldn't know anyone.

Josh: Because I know that if I— Yeah. If I go to fucking Fountaingate—

Tommy: See a few homies. Yeah.

Josh: See a few people. Mate, the snap— The amount of people wearing snapbacks at Fountaingate. I took mine off because I was a bit embarrassed.

Tommy: What is this a thing? I didn't even know this.

Josh: Well, just because everyone was wearing it, like everyone looked the same and all of a sudden I felt like I was fitting in and I didn't feel comfortable about that. What if you get a complex about coming from the burbs? No, I don't know, but I just felt like I was like, oh, if I'm looking at all these people with snapbacks and I don't know, I was just, I got a bit self-conscious.

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: This was like a year ago. I don't know. I think it was, how do you describe? I think it happens whenever you, normally it's when you travel, you know, when you travel and you start, like I was thinking about our Europe trip, like brain might, not our, you and me going to Europe. I wish I was in Europe. But I was thinking, I don't think I'll wear a hat.

Tommy: You'll stick out like dog's balls.

Josh: What if you wear a hat? Yeah, exactly. Because I sort of— It's a little bit sort of America culture, American culture.

Tommy: You so could be German tourist, though. Guten Tag, wie geht's dir? Guten Tag. Tall glasses, blue-eyed German. Yeah.

Josh: Got that vibe, don't I? You totally do. So, but I was thinking of just Simplifying my wardrobe, but going a bit more Euro. I don't know what that— What does it mean to be more Euro, do you think? Fila? Shirts.

Tommy: No. Is that— Mate, it depends on where you're going. Like, you won't see people— Italy. The people of Italy, like, so they dress so well.

Josh: And what, like, so it's just like pants with shirts?

Tommy: Swag, like loafers and like chinos. Loafers, cool. Loafers are cool.

Josh: Loafers, are they boat shoes?

Tommy: Yeah, boat shoes. Are you fucking kidding me?

Josh: Boat shoes aren't cool. Both shoes are cool. Are you fucking kidding me?

Tommy: Well, it depends on where you are. If you're in the— at Fountain Gate, loafers probably aren't cool. Snapbacks are obviously cool. But if you're in Paris, your bloody Gucci slip-on furry fucking rabbit fur around the foot, yeah, that's real cool. Paris, man, the— I, I wanted to just sit at a cafe with a long lens just filming everyone walking, everyone walking past the The suavest motherfuckers, white pants, shirts, just linen fucking shirts. Girls just dress so well. It's crazy. And everyone's wearing like Gucci shoes.

Josh: So, how do you do it? I've had a few rebrands in my life. Have you ever? Actually, that's a fun topic. Rebrands. Have you ever had a rebrand?

Tommy: As in, you know, Amy, she rebrands me. So, I'll say I need a whole bunch of new clothes and she buys me a whole bunch. Like, I feel. Like I've got less daggy as the years have gone on. Maybe it's because of Amy. Yeah. But I think I've like been willing to try fucking three-quarter pants.

Josh: You should try. You would look nice in shirts.

Tommy: Yeah, I can't be fucked wearing shirts. They annoy me. I just like wearing—

Josh: I think that could be made— like you could probably charge like double. I'm serious. Yeah, it's funny how that shit works.

Tommy: Or I could be a creative that just fucking still charges a lot. Yeah, that's true. Dresses like a creative. I like shirts over t-shirts. That's my thang.

Josh: But it's too hot at the moment. Yeah, sure. Shirts over t-shirts is very Nickelodeon. Yeah. Which is fine. But no, the rebrand stuff's interesting because, you know, travelling, want to travel light. I was saying to Bree, tell me if you think this is outrageous. She thought it was. I said to her, we should get our backpacks early because we're going to get backpacks for our trip. Yeah. I was saying like for the last month before we leave, she should use that as her main backpack to get to work. And she's like, I'm not fucking wearing my huge backpack to work every day.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a horrible idea for her to wear a big backpack to work. But you get the idea.

Josh: You've got a point. Have you done the backpacking thing? Nah.

Tommy: Nah. I stayed in a hostel in Florence and Rome.

Josh: The thing is we're not doing fucking hostel. We're going to do like hotels and shit. Yeah. But I just don't want to be having a fucking roller going through cobblestones in Italy.

Tommy: That's every, every person. Yeah, so many people using that. Where it—

Josh: they're using what?

Tommy: Oh, having roller bags. Like, it's fucked. It's achievable now.

Josh: Like, it's fine if you're going for fucking 4 months, you don't want to be doing that shit, right? But the thing that I'm not sure on is my equipment. So I'm going to bring my 1DX. Yeah, I'm— don't know what I'm going to do with my FS7. Don't know if you want to buy it off me. But yeah, I'm trying to work out the best approach. Like, do I put a fucking $8,000 camera just in my fucking backpack? I guess I have to, because you're not going to put it— I guess I'll have like an internal bag that goes in the backpack. You'd think. I'll have to look into it.

Tommy: Mate, that's what annoys me about travelling. It's having to take shit.

Josh: Well, I think it's the— The thing is I want to travel as light as possible because the biggest trips I've ever done have been for work where I've been taking camera gear and I've had 25 kilogrammes just of carry-on. And you're hiding your fucking tripod in the checked bag. Up your ass. Yeah, exactly. Squeegee. Are we going to mention the squeegee every single ep now?

Tommy: Ep 14. Ep 14.

Josh: It's been The Daily Talk Show, everyone. I'm Josh. That's Tommy. And You can find us on the YouTubes and stuff like that. And make sure to subscribe to us as well, whether that's on iTunes or Pocket Casts or CastBox, wherever you're listening.

Tommy: We'll see you tomorrow.

Josh: Bye, guys.