Comfortability

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 875.

Tommy: What is happening, Gronks? What's going on? Happy Hump Day to everyone around the world.

Josh: I was just listening to a Hump Day replay with Georgie Boy, special guest Radio Mike. It's a good episode.

Tommy: Well, I saw the— I sort of get pushed into my feed because that's what happens when you subscribe.

Josh: Your favourite podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, wherever you, wherever you like to take it, um, get it, get it good. Uh, I saw the, the title of it, Mental Health. Mental health, yeah, big focus at the moment around mental health. I mean, at the moment in Victoria we're still in lockdown and it's, uh, it's a bizarre thing. I was messaging Stacy June last night who is been on our show many times, my co-host from my Shep days. She's making the move down to Melbourne, which is exciting.

Josh: Hasn't she heard the memo?

Tommy: I know, but I was just— the point bringing that up is like, it made me sort of think about—

Josh: still a great place to be—

Tommy: coming down. Like, what have I— I feel like I said, I said, I feel like we've done quite well. Like Biz— I don't know, but our business has grown. I feel like I haven't left the fucking house though. Yeah, like legit, it's a weird thing how the, the feeling of success or feeling of growth usually comes with a byproduct of like being out there seeing more people. But for this, it's like challenge that internal feeling of what things can feel like when you are expanding, but you're not actually um, geographically moving at all.

Josh: Don't you feel though that like part of it is, I feel if I can deal with this, the outside stuff will feel so good, like when we can do all those things?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was thinking, um, speaking of Shep, you know, I like to talk about my time in Shepparton.

Josh: Yeah, um, you're in radio there?

Tommy: I said, yeah, yeah, it's on radio. 2 years, 5 shows, 5 shows a week, every single day, 6 till 9. No, but I was— I actually messaged my old boss and I said to him, um, I said to him, moved houses, living up higher. Makes it sound like I'm up in the fucking mountains, but I'm just in Bulleen at the sort of, you know, you can either live sort of on top of the hill or the bottom of the hill. Anyway, I can pick up the signal. I was telling you this, I can pick up the signal to Shepparton. But when I turned it on the other day, I heard his voice and I heard the memories flood back. I had the memories sort of flood back in after hearing the boss's voice. Like, I was like, ah, thinking back on such great times. It was just doing a 30-second read, live read for SCA. And, um, but I was thinking about that time being one of the, one of the times probably other than now where I've been really uncomfortable in my life. As an adult in a career. And so, you know, because you find this sort of rhythm. But I think the lockdown has probably got people very uncomfortable and challenged them more than any other time in their adult life. And so, you're right, coming out the other side, it's not to say that there won't be other challenges. I think there will be like an adaption back into something.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Something else. Some other existence.

Josh: So when have you been most comfortable in your life then?

Tommy: Um, oh yeah, I mean, I was pretty restless as a young kid. Like, there was a lot of frustration in me, um, especially coming out within the school years. You know, you don't want to be there. Not every kid wants to be there. I was one of those kids that definitely didn't want to be there. And so leaving school when I was 17, there was some weight lifted off my shoulders. That felt very good. But then I was into that discovery period, trying to make— trying to work out what I'm doing. I land on personal training, did that for quite some time, and I still felt frustrated, like I hadn't worked it out. So it's probably— I'm probably—

Josh: Have you ever been comfortable? I guess that's the question, is like, we can't trick ourselves into thinking that, yeah, there was some time that it was easier or you felt better.

Tommy: Well, what is comfort? Let's talk about what someone who would articulate, "I'm quite comfortable," usually it's relating to money, right?

Josh: Well, yeah, I think there's an element of comfortability in knowing that, like, comfortable I don't think is being idle. I think comfortable is feeling like you are, you have a purpose. That you're moving forward, but it doesn't necessarily stress you, it doesn't keep you up at night. You can go to sleep knowing that you had a— did a great day's work, but it doesn't necessarily have that residual effect where you're stressing about the following day, maybe.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is a funny descriptive word, like comfortable sitting on a couch and you— So, it actually can be. Moments of comfort versus an existence of comfortability, however you say it. So it's like, definitely have moments where you're like— and you're right, it's like if you're working on yourself internally, you can have a heap of these moments where you're not feeling— and so speaking to me, that level of frustration I had growing up, I definitely don't have that as much anymore. When you sort of start having, like you said, discovering purpose and, and things seem to be working, but then the sort of traits that come up that drive you forward are negative ones but drive you forward. I just wrote down before listening to a podcast about narcissism, I was just thinking about the negative podcast, Joe Rogan. Um, I wanted to just see, you know, sound a bit more sort of that I listen outside of my bubble. I mean, that guy has some of the best and smartest people on his podcast. Interesting chat about narcissism. I mean, as a couple, are we narcissists based on what they're saying? Well, narcissists usually have a— like, there's 3 areas of narcissism. Like, there's a person, there's the narcissist that lives in his basement that actually has a high, um, a high worth on themselves. Like, they think they should be heard, but they're not. And so it can slip into quite some depression.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Or you have, you know, the, the narcissist that is actually front and center, thinking what they have to say is very important and people need to fucking listen to them.

Josh: And so what's the third version?

Tommy: I can't remember, but that's why this is a hook, you know.

Mason: We—

Josh: okay, Joe, are we really having to Do live reactions to Joe Rogan? Yeah, we're getting bogged down. Okay, go on.

Tommy: It's got to that fucking place at the moment for him. Poor guy, he fucked it with the studio. Um, I quite like it though. No, um, but I was thinking about, um, so the person who is disagreeable in a workplace or in a work environment usually is someone who gets ahead. And so men traditionally are disagreeable and disagreeable— the trait of someone who is disagreeable, they make more money. And so when you think about it like that, it's like the metric of success for a lot of people, speaking broadly, is financial. And so it's, you know, it plays that status role. It's like a, you know, it's proxy status at that point. So, and there's a level of comfort that comes from having money, you could say, But it's like these traits are quite negative for the human experience, but they drive you forward in success. They bring success if you haven't defined, you know, the antidote to it is define what the success is for you, and then maybe you can counter some of these traits that are just in you and you won't act on them. But there are some stuff that's negative that is natural. But, but they don't— they're like, they're not good for us to act on.

Josh: And so when you say, why do you think you're uncomfortable at the moment?

Tommy: I don't think I'm uncomfortable.

Josh: I actually literally said I'm the most uncomfortable I've— this is the second time in my life that I've really—

Tommy: oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Um, I don't want to— sorry, no, no, I'll define it because, yeah, I was trying— that's funny because I was thinking like, in this moment I don't feel that uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah. Um, in life, challenge— so challenge meaning having to sort of dig. Like, Shepparton for me was confronting because I hadn't done all these things. It's so much new stuff. And so you and I are navigating a whole bunch of new stuff, which is uncomfortable. Doesn't mean it's bad, but it is like, you know, a time where it's— you're doing it from your house.

Josh: Or what about becoming a new dad? Was that not more uncomfortable?

Tommy: Um, yeah, yeah, that was another time of feeling like I'm doing stuff I've never done before, out of depth vibes.

Josh: But I wonder where you have ever felt comfortable. Like, I would— because if you even think about when you were doing things that you would feel comfortable doing now, so for instance, like you talk about being on the red carpet for Triple M doing Voxies. And how uncomfortable you felt. That's like a pretty, like, a low-level job in a lot of— like, it's, it's, it's, it's uncomfortable, but it's not like you're saving lives or anything like that. And so what— so if you look at it, all of those things, you're stretching and feeling uncomfortable. Yeah. Is there a time where you have felt comfortable and felt fulfilled?

Tommy: No, because I don't think I— I think the fulfilment has left when I started to feel comfortable. Because you could be like in a role that's just cruisy, but then you're like— it is, it's, it's a trait of mine to then be like, well, what's next? Yeah, I need to fucking do something different or challenging. Or like, it's, it's a weird one because we're like, it's almost like you're suckers for pain because you want to feel like you're at capacity.

Josh: Like, it feels like you want to.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Like, I think about the times where I've, uh, lived and really, like, you know, been really proud of myself. It's in times where I have been uncomfortable. But I even look at those times with rose-colored glasses, and I think about the travel that I did with Envato, where it's 3 months Not seeing Bri, filming every single day, 34 flights. Like, I look at that with fond memories, but it was very uncomfortable as well. Like, it was uncomfortable at the time, but I also enjoyed it. I don't know. But I think that the uncomfortability potentially moves, like when we look back, we forget the uncomfortable bit or we reference where we are now. And apply our emotional abilities or whatever to that thing. Be like, oh, that would be— it's like VCE, like when you're in school in Year 12, um, or whatever, uh, Year 11. Did you do a Year 11 or just half of VCE? That's it, that's Year 11.

Tommy: So you're speaking my language here.

Josh: Year 11, Year 10, let's just say Year 10.

Tommy: Okay, just made it through, you know.

Josh: Yeah, we You know, when you're in year 10, it feels stressful. But then as a 30-year-old, I do have moments where I'm like, I'd be able to absolutely smash year 10 or year 12 now.

Tommy: But your grape is now watermelon. You know, your capacity has grown.

Josh: And the grape is the brain, is that what you're saying?

Tommy: Well, kind of. Kind of. It's just, it could be your capacity. You've gone from grape size to a watermelon. So, there is the emotional capacity, sort of that mental cognitive capacity.

Josh: Yeah, all, all of it.

Tommy: And so it's like starting to believe things that— how weird is like shifting what you believe? Like actually having— looking at who you were as a kid and you didn't even have the capacity for what you do now or what you even understand, and that only came with living all of those uncomfortable moments. And it's, um, it's a weird existence, my friend. Like, I look at Bodhi and I think about his little baby brain and just, you know, being a kid, like, you know, struggling to get to sleep. It's like he's struggling to turn his little brain off, like, to just to slow it down.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: What's he thinking about?

Tommy: I don't know. I sometimes ask him, what are you thinking about? Usually I asked him when he wakes up, "What did you dream about?" Always said aliens. No, he said aliens for years, for like literally years.

Josh: Because he said that he was making up dreams for a while, you thought?

Tommy: Yeah. But I like to think that, imagine if, I like to think that the kid, like from birth they have these memories of aliens, but as you get older, you forget it all.

Josh: It's pretty scary thinking about that.

Mason: I know.

Josh: Do you think that part of it is like, so, I think about me at 30 and so much of what I'm doing is what I projected myself to do when I was 14 or 15. Like, I really feel that I'm executing on a dream that I had many, many years ago. So, like for me, you know, 2005, listening to podcasts, seeing people doing, you know, multiple shows. Like, I'm— doing the thing that I dreamt of doing, do you think that there's a different experience because I'm in that, because I'm like, have this vision that I'm going towards? Is there an uncomfortable feeling for you not necessarily because it's so in me and as much as I can communicate and say that this is what I think we should do, it's because it came from a dream, like a thing that I really want and a dream that I've had since I was young. Thank you, Brisa, for the coffee. Do you think that there is—

Tommy: is that a part of your plan?

Josh: Yeah, that's the dream. I am living—

Tommy: delivered coffee.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I was actually going to make my own coffee today, but, uh, Bree wanted a milky coffee. So yeah, does that resonate?

Tommy: Like, yeah, no, because I think that that's unique to every person, right? So, uh, you've got to think about somebody who works for somebody else. You could say they're a part of— say you work for Facebook, that was a vision of Mark Zuckerberg's. Yeah, but The, the, the— you have to— I mean, what other ways is there looking at life other than where you are is where you're meant to be, or what you've been capable of doing in the time that you've got, and, and it's got you to where you are. And so if you like that, that is then being able to take ownership, because if it's not a place that you want to be, it's like, well, then there is a version of getting to where you want to be once you can define it.

Josh: And so it's not even like everything negative is It's not even a negative thing. Like I'm saying, it's like, but I wonder if, like I feel very grateful that if you think about video production, like finding it when I'm 12 years old and doing all this sort of stuff, like I've, I feel so lucky.

Tommy: This is all your story, right? Which is everyone's like, 'cause then my version is like.

Josh: So then you think of yours. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So your story, your storey didn't necessarily have that you were going to be doing podcasts and shit like that. And so, yeah.

Tommy: Which, it's like, from a young— I never thought about that, and I never thought that I'd be on radio. And so then it's like, how do these things come into fruition? It's not— it's not like— I don't think it's just luck that all of a sudden I turned around, that was like, hey, do you want to come be on radio on Shepard?

Josh: It's like, definitely, the— you created these opportunities, and you— so you were drawn to it. But how much— like, how long is that thread Like, so if you look at, say, TV or presenting, the TV presenting stuff, what was it for you? Like, what was the, the reason that you wanted to do TV presenting?

Tommy: Yeah, I, it's— I can't, I can't really articulate it. It was just like an internal thought of— it's probably ego wanting to fucking be out there. But then I probably had a— like, I, I was so fucking convinced Like, I was so convinced that I could do that, and I was thinking about it only the other day about like how obsessed and focused I was on creating some kind of success in that, in that area, which is what then how it played out. It like clearly wasn't meant to be, the presenting stuff like that shit died in the ass. Like, you know, even Jules Lund, who was at the top of the presenting game was like, this isn't going to be around. You got to do like, you know, make content. You got to be the creator. You can't rely on these networks and shit. Like, and so then, so it's like you could say, you could say it all is like the pieces that are fitting the perfect puzzle for your life. And, and that by thinking that I wanted to do the presenting thing, that led me to then picking up the camera, that led me to being on radio where I was creating content. And like my old boss, he said to me, and let me just read you, this is so fucking sweet. Like, so this is my boss in Shepparton that I was texting with. And I told him that I could hear his voice. He said, gotta say, man, I've been thinking a lot lately. It was my time working with you that has set me on the new path. I'm so grateful of our time together, as challenging as it was, and plenty of things I'd do better. I learned so much from you.

Mason: And that was it.

Tommy: I was, I was like, we gotta create videos. Like, I was spending time outside of the show, like, creating the online content.

Mason: I—

Tommy: he was fascinated by getting into it. And so it's like, yeah, it's, it's like your puzzle, your, your path affects all— like, there's like ricocheted effect to other people's paths. And so when you're thinking about your vision, it's like, yeah, all these visions are sort of colliding, and the people around you are usually a result of what you've been focusing on, what they've been focusing on.

Josh: It's this co-creation thing. This is why I think that your video stuff is so powerful. Like, if you look at the Nando's video you did yesterday, or the Ooshies video, that like, they get so much more traction than anything else we do. Yeah, on social media. And you like doing it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so it is this, it is this sort of thing where it's like, how do you untap, um, yeah, it's like trying to find every— like, it, it doesn't— I think the thing that I'm very comfortable with and understand is it's like my obsession isn't everyone else's obsession, and it shouldn't be.

Tommy: And like, within a team, although food is pretty spot on for a lot of people, we all have— I fucking love food.

Josh: Oh, you— fuck, we had a Uber Eats leave it outside in the rain yesterday. Terrible. Anyway, uh, yeah, no, so like, is there— if you look at the obsession type of stuff, like, because there's a survival mode, like, I think that there is, because we're doing so much, there's overwhelm and all that sort of thing. Do you think that there's a, a simpler version? So if you look at the, the success of the, the video stuff you do on Instagram where it's just doubling down on that and, um, you know, getting into that sort of obsessive state.

Tommy: Well, the— here's the thing that I've learned about life is that when your sole focus is on— so I always talk and I fucking like convince myself of the another thought based on what I'm saying. And so what I was going to say was the, the pain that comes in having to do a bunch of other stuff for what we do as a business, and then the thing that I love, like creating those videos. It's like the pain on the side of needing to work out a bunch of other elements then drives this sort of—

Mason: it—

Tommy: I, I think it could be some juice from that that fuels the creativity for the, for the fun videos that I love making.

Josh: So when you take away from it, or that it actually adds—

Tommy: almost adds to it, but it's painful. And so, but I think that a lot of greatness comes out of pain. And so when you say of like doubling down, it's like, I forget about doing anything else that's like important, and I just did this thing that I love. Like, I think that, that could be an illusion where we're like, you know, how many creators have said, I just want to make the videos that I want to make, like not be dictated by the brand, all this shit, right?

Josh: Like, we need, we need restrictions and we need, like, we need to know where we're playing. Like, having, having a rule that, like, there's a reason why we have rule books, because it makes, like, it actually enables creativity. If it's just you can do anything, it's very, very difficult. But then, so doubling down maybe isn't the right word because it's not about at all at the cost of everything else, but it's about, it's like focusing, right? Like for us, a version of doubling down is showing up every day. Like I think that we've completely reframed what doubling down means. Doubling down doesn't mean some crazy launch or, you know, something like it's even in the, The Last Dance, they talk about it in the— Sorry for everyone who's already watched Michael Jordan's documentary. Jack Post messaged and said, Tommy's right, you are the last person to watch this.

Mason: The last guy.

Josh: The last. Do you know what I was— I messaged Jack about it. I said, mate, Jordan needs lock laces because Jack's got lock laces, I've got lock laces, which are sort of replacements for shoelaces. And I couldn't do like the hardest thing that Michael Jordan does. Put aside the playing on the court, all that sort of thing. It's the fucking shoelaces before the game. That would do my— I would be— Yeah, yeah. I'd lose my mind.

Tommy: He laces a shoe. He laces a shoe, a new shoe every game.

Josh: I would be like, can someone else fucking do this?

Tommy: Yeah, but I think it's part of the process. And so that's the part like I'm sure he fucking doesn't love the lace bit, but he's probably thinking he's there just like plotting, just thinking he's going to just savage everyone on that course.

Josh: Well, so what I was going to say is it's from a basketball perspective, they talk about you're only like, once you've done something good, you sort of need to do it again and again. And this sort of like, I think that from a— yeah, when you think about what we do, it isn't like— there's been many times in my life where it's like, oh yeah, I've done this doco and it's You know, I've spent a bunch of time, you know, Goodbye Philippines, went to the Philippines filming fireworks, doing all this sort of stuff, spent heaps of time editing it, launched it, and then what? And so part of it is like when I say double down, it's like the thing that where you can have a cadence to it, you can be doing it every day or every week.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. And then it's like, It's like, how can you— I mean, I've said this— how can you limit the, the lag between the idea and the execution, the lag time between the idea and the execution? And because, yeah, you can get caught up in just thinking about how it all makes sense. And but you're right, it's like the, the one thing is chipping away. It's the step challenge we're doing. Yeah, chipping away. It's like, I will win. If I just fucking do—

Josh: Yeah, if you just do the steps. Yeah, exactly. And this is the thing, I think that part of it is it's destructive because all of us as creators, we say, oh, you know, yeah, you know, you just need to double down or focus. And it like, we build it up to this impossible, uh, thing. Like, it's, it's extremely hard at that point.

Tommy: Well, yeah, because you're looking to the life you don't have. And, and for a lot of creators, it's no other responsibility other than just doing the thing that they need to do, and so, or that they love doing. And so that's where everyone's looking for— I mean, it's the same in business, like the f— how can I get funding to just forget about all the hard stuff? But then the harder stuff, the lace, it's like it gets you, gets you there.

Josh: There's a bunch of, uh, businesses that had, uh, angel investors, VCs that got seed funding and they're, you know, 5 years in and they still haven't worked out how to, to, uh, to sell or have revenue. And to— and so the thing is, when you don't have that, you're actually making sure that you can ride without training wheels day one, which is, which is helpful. Um, uh, we're going from a balance bike to a normal bike.

Tommy: Yes, we're not doing the training wheel thing. We're trying to do the modern day.

Josh: Exactly, modern day training wheels. Uh, we, uh, I think we'd spoke— we've spoken about on the show before the SodaStream. There was a guy who, um, put wine in a SodaStream and blew up his SodaStream.

Tommy: It was actually a young kid. It was like he was doing it for his parents or something, making them sparkling.

Josh: So anyway, I've been doing, like, obviously I had my LaCroix and Mount Franklin and all those different types of drinks and would run out. And so, I was using some fruit in the SodaStream.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Did you know that you can't have a piece of fruit in the bottle when you pump it?

Tommy: No, I did not.

Josh: And what is—

Tommy: what's the result? You had a blow up?

Josh: Yeah, yeah. So I'd like— oh no, I, I didn't fill it up. Like, I was like, oh, you know what, I'm gonna give it a little bit. I'm not gonna fill it up as high as I normally would to allow just in case. But when I took— like, I did it and it was like it was overflowing, whatever. I was like, okay, this isn't good, but it's fine. And then when I pulled it out, it went, pooh, and like just like sprayed everywhere. Yeah. I cleaned it up before Bree got home.

Tommy: But do you think, so what is it, the acidity or some kind of reaction? That's the bubbles in the—

Josh: Didn't look it up, but I just thought you should know that. Also, other little updates. Got a text message last night. Didn't see it till this morning. From my bank, $1,100 used on my credit card at the Apple Store. Haven't—

Tommy: Which credit card?

Josh: This is my like personal card.

Tommy: Is that like a— Sorry, because Amy calls her like our debit cards credit card sometimes. Like because you use it.

Josh: So, it is an actual credit. It is an actual credit card.

Tommy: An actual credit card.

Josh: Yeah. Fuck, man.

Tommy: That's so annoying for you.

Josh: But it's okay because it was like seamless. The bank texted, like it said, press 2, press 1 if this was you, 2 if it wasn't. I didn't see it until the morning, press 2. They said, someone will call you in the next 60 minutes. They call me, they said, hey, did you do a purchase? Said, nah. They said, are these last ones, Amazon, blah, blah, blah, these yours? I'm like, yep, they're mine. And a lot of soda water being purchased. Is that you? Lock places.

Tommy: Surely that's not an adult.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a scam. But interestingly, yeah, so it was someone in India on the Apple India website.

Tommy: What did they buy?

Josh: What can you get for $1,200? $1,100, yeah, you could get a specced-out Apple Watch or something. So, that was annoying. So, but it was very good, they've— Because Bri and I have two cards. The great thing is that it just shuts my one off. They send out a new one.

Tommy: But there was that little update that, uh, I mean, last time that happened for a smaller amount, it's like $80 or something. I asked them, how is this possible? Like, I've got my card here, how's it possible?

Josh: Do we end up getting you? So it's a different subscriptions? Yeah, because it's different. So it happened with our business account with your card, and debit's more dangerous because that's why I still like to, even when we're doing like ING um, you know, buckets and stuff like that if we're doing stuff overseas. Or I'm like, let's not use our money because if you lose it, it's a real pain in the ass. And so that happened to us with our business account. What was the deal?

Tommy: I haven't got the money back. It's 30.

Josh: Really? They're still trying to get it?

Tommy: No.

Josh: So that was like 2 months ago, wasn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, but if you remember, it was in the between the lockdowns, and it was like I went in And they're like, well, it has to clear before we can work out anything. Like it has to actually go through. And so, still—

Josh: Because you put in like a claim or something, like you have to fill out a form.

Tommy: Yeah, but they just— Nah, nah, nah. It's literally we need it to clear and then come back in. And then we got locked down. And so, when we go back in, I mean, it's almost— This is the point. People don't chase up $30. I'm almost like, I don't want to add it on top.

Josh: Yeah, you cancelled your card.

Tommy: Yeah, I cancelled the card, new card. That's all good. So, but then I'm like, fucking, I don't know, maybe it's some one of us somehow through Amazon somewhere.

Mason: This—

Tommy: imagine the bigger— imagine the companies with thousands of staff with cards and so much money is going floating around. It's, it's—

Josh: there is something fun. I remember, um, when I was a kid watching how to— like, I, I read 4-Hour Workweek and wanted a virtual assistant. And there's some fun things that you can do where, um, I got a, uh, a Visa debit card, like a virtual one. And my idea was that I would give the assistant or anyone who was working for me a card, and they would have a certain budget every single week that they could spend on things that I needed. It was just a clusterfuck, and it was just costing me money. I could just do all my own things. But there is something fun about that. I love the idea. There's a few business banks that I've geeked out on. I'm trying to think of one of the main ones, but they make it really easy to create multiple accounts and have cards. So, Seb's could have a card and you just like fill it up as needed. So, you're sort of keeping a track. But I don't know. I love this sort of shit.

Tommy: I mean, it is. I mean, back then it's very cart before horse. Got to have the cash flow to be able to give this.

Josh: Yeah, I'm trying to think of the dumbest, like, sort of remote thing that I did, like a virtual assistant or, um, yeah, definitely complete any task, like, yeah, one. Yeah, I'm trying to think of what, what there was. Yeah, I was like, transcription's a big one, like an easy— like I had someone in the Philippines doing some transcription stuff. But there is something fun. There's something fun about having like, especially if you're like a young kid and you're a freelancer, I think it's a good— Do you know what? If I had a kid, which I don't, but if I did and they were, he or she were sort of 16 years old, I would say, okay, you are going to get a job, obviously. Actually, cancel that. You're going to start a job, you're going to create a job for yourself. Let's register your business, do all that sort of stuff. But now what I want you to do is take— so yeah, you're going to say you're going to save some money or whatever, but I think the more important thing is take 20-30% of what you make and you have to hire and delegate someone remotely to do some of the things that you're doing. Because as a freelancer you can fall into this trap of just doing everything yourself. Like, there is a huge— there is a massive, massive, massive difference between being a creative freelancer who's just working for themselves, working on their own time, and collaboration and, you know, giving tasks to other people. Like, it's, it's a massive, like, delegation.

Tommy: They're both pain points. So is it avoiding the pain? Like, do you think you need to actually understand how to do it all before you get someone else to to do things for you. It's like, well, I guess so.

Josh: That's where I, um, that's where I was just questioning myself on getting a job first. So there is something in getting a job to sort of get the joke that is business, and then, or, you know, because, well, you know what I mean? Like, there is— when you work with a bunch of business, like, in different businesses, you understand that, um, what's the cheese that has holes in it?

Tommy: Swiss cheese? No, it's Jarlsberg. Jarlsberg.

Josh: It's definitely— The people don't say Jarlsberg when they're talking about this thing. But it's like I heard this quote. They definitely didn't say Jarlsberg, but they said businesses are like Jarlsberg. They— It's the cheese that's got holes in it, but you can't see it. So, it looks all good from the outside, but every business, doesn't matter what size, is a Jarlsberg. It's got all the holes. I've only ever bought Jarlsberg from the deli, which is pre-sliced. So, I'm not sure.

Tommy: Yeah, true. That's where I see the holes. So, there definitely has to be holes in Jarlsberg.

Josh: And so, anyway.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: There is something in— There's also the other version, which is young people who have never worked at another place trying to create their own business. But there is something nice about having a shit boss. And a great boss and, you know, everything in between. Shit colleagues, great colleagues. So then you can be like, oh, this is what I want to create.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. And I guess the part where your path leads you, like, if somehow you're— you end up creating a business as a young person before you've had a job, like, that's so— that's okay too. Like, that is— that's not for everyone. That's not the sort of path that majority of people will take.

Josh: I wonder if Sev's ever— because Sev's had a PayPal account, I wonder if he ever— So, he had a server as a kid. I'm just going to call him. Let's see if he ever had to transfer money to anyone else through that process.

Tommy: I like it. Like he's a business person.

Mason: Yo.

Josh: Oh, g'day, Sev. You're on the Daily Talk Show.

Mason: What's happening?

Josh: Oh, look, not much. We're just talking about like virtual assistants and and, uh, if I had a kid, what I would get them to do in regards to, uh, setting up a business and doing all that sort of thing. When you were, uh, a kid and you were managing your servers, did you pay anyone? Did you have any, any contractors, or did you have to share any of the cash?

Mason: No sharing of the cash. We had moderators on the Minecraft server who worked for free, and they were probably I would have said they were probably like a solid 12 years older than me. And, um, yeah, they would just be on all day moderating the chat and moderating the server. And then we'd just hop on Skype occasionally, maybe like once every few days, and then catch up on what's been going on and what I'm doing.

Josh: And so what— so you made— so you made— yeah, there was a WIP. You don't even do WIPs now. Yeah, there was a WIP. And so the— how much money did you generate through that business as a kid?

Mason: I was probably about $10,000.

Josh: $10,000. And so you didn't have to—

Tommy: amazing.

Josh: You didn't have to pay any of them. You were— it was just—

Mason: I didn't pay a cent.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

Mason: The only thing was like at the very end when I was getting rid of it, I gave it to them. I gave the server to them.

Josh: That's nice.

Tommy: And is it still going or—

Mason: why? You know, it was quite selfish because PayPal had chargebacks and so there was a 60-day period where, where you could charge back. And so if it went past that, I'd be safe. So I was like, guys, just hold on to it for 60 days. Sure, I don't lose any of them.

Josh: So people had given money or whatever, being like, I love this server, and you were saying, okay, uh, I need to keep this thing running for at least 60 days. I don't care about making any more cash, but I just need to see this through.

Mason: Yeah, I want to keep the cat. Yeah.

Josh: All right, did you ever look at virtual assistants?

Mason: Nah, not really. I mean, because there is like, like Fiverr and stuff, you can get those sort of vibes. But yeah, I don't know, never really. I mean, I just had, you know, people in their 20s doing it for me.

Josh: Sure. I would like the idea of maybe, um, either GB or Seb's getting a virtual assistant. Like, Seb's, if we, if we gave you like a $50 a week budget or something, could you put a business case on using an assistant that could do some of your work that you could be slacking with?

Mason: Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll look into it.

Josh: Okay, it's all got to be ethical and stuff, but I think like 50— but like in Indonesia, the, the, um, you know, you're making $200 a month in a full-time job, which you are then if you're in Jakarta, you're fucking driving or like, you know, on a motorbike 3, 4 hours of traffic.

Mason: And so this side—

Josh: Yeah, they can work from home. Um, yeah. All right, so maybe let's have a think about what that, that could be. That would sort of be your first, um, direct report, and you can sort of manage all of that.

Mason: Okay, great.

Josh: Well, yeah, let us, let us know what you need help with and what they could manage. Maybe they could look after social media posting.

Mason: Oh yeah, that could be fun.

Tommy: They, I mean, they have to have accounts, they have to have logins.

Josh: Yeah, no, no, no, no, I think it'll be fine. We can— I mean, that's the point, TJ, like you need to be able to— like virtual assistant, that they're going to eventually need Mason's credit card to be booking holidays and stuff for it.

Tommy: I have one, I have a tab.

Mason: We're going to have to go, go through the recruitment process. Are we going to sit like resumes, and then we're going to have like, you know, an actual meeting.

Josh: Yeah, I think that you should get specific and do a— it could actually include them being involved in hump day replay planning or doing some sort of minutes stuff. But I think that there's a huge, huge up. You can't just get Grace to do it either. You can't hire Grace on this one. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's— I like the idea of you having whips and just the idea that potentially if you're, you know, weekends and all that sort of thing, maybe we don't write to you with any work stuff. That could be your assistant.

Mason: Oh, yeah, that could be fun.

Josh: But I don't know how much we're going to get for $50, to be honest. Like $50 a week. What, like, probably like the— an ethical amount would be like $8 an hour in like Philippines or something. And so what, so we're talking like, uh, 6 hours, 5, 6. Yeah, yeah. So it's not a lot, but it adds up. But we'll see. Yeah, let us know, Mace. Okay, any other news? Hump Day Replay was great.

Mason: Hump Day Replay, yeah, go listen to that. Um, radio mics on, um, and it was a lot of fun.

Josh: Yep, great. Okay, I'll chat to you later.

Tommy: Okay, see you, mate. Bye. See you, mate.

Josh: Uh, yeah, I think that'd be fun. Could you, could you see that being enjoyable? Yeah, I guess.

Tommy: I mean, enjoyable, enjoyable for them, maybe. I hope— I'd like to make it a fun environment, or at least get Sevs to, you know, have it be a fun environment.

Josh: Yeah, creating it— he can create his own, you know, culture and stuff, work culture. They could have work parties. It'd be fun.

Mason: Great.

Josh: All right, uh, it's a daily talk show. If you enjoyed the show, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. We stream all the shows as well on YouTube. Thank you everyone who's watching there. And also cheque out, um, Hump Day Replay on your favourite podcast app, the new episode with Radio Mike. It's a great one. Otherwise, see you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.