On The Spot

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 862.

Tommy: What is happening, Gronks? What's going on? How are we? Happy Thursday. Happy Thursday.

Josh: Great to be here. What's been the highlight of your morning thus far?

Tommy: Yeah, thanks for asking. I know you always ask, so I usually have something prepared.

Josh: Um, can I guess?

Tommy: There Yeah. Yeah, go for it. Go for it.

Josh: Went with Bodhi up to the café and something transpired.

Tommy: Fuck, mate. You're smart. You're onto it. You've either tapped my phone and you're listening and watching or you just become— I took off my hat because we look too similar. We're literally just two drunks swearing back and forth.

Josh: No one cares. I'm just like, look too similar. What happened to Tommy Jacket? No, that's Josh.

Tommy: No, no, no, no. You know what I mean.

Josh: I mean, if one gets to wear the hat, I feel like I should get to wear the hat. The quality of your hair deserves to be out and about.

Tommy: Clearly, we look like our parents have got together after a divorce and we're stepbrothers, but the stepbrothers have become very similar.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: So, clearly, the DNA is different, but the optics are becoming quite similar.

Josh: Culture. Culture. We're into the same— We love skateboarding. We love wearing our hats backwards, that sort of thing.

Tommy: Yeah. And we love running a racket because that's what the jackets are doing at the moment. I feel like this is— we've got— I could see Bodhi being let out of this house in handcuffs.

Josh: What is he doing?

Tommy: Listen to this. We go to the café. George is the person who owns it. And he makes the coffees in the morning. You know, this is a business that had 50 to 80 seats inside. Has had to, you know, close because of COVID It's been like this for 4 or 5 months. It's my favourite place to go to.

Josh: Do you walk there or do you drive?

Tommy: No, you gotta drive. It's just too far with the kid. And when it's too early, CBF, I just drive nice and warm. Anyway, so they do coffee out the window. It's my favourite joint. And Bodhi's formed this nice little relationship with George, who's, you know, got some kids that have now grown up and just a lovely dude. Really nice to Bodhi, and they all just think Bodhi's such a character because he's all like, George, George, and he just asks him all these questions. Anyway, he brings in stuff to show George, and so he brought in some ooshies, and then he said, do you have any ooshies? And so we got some ooshies. I told you about how we got ooshies from here. The problem with giving a child anything is that they think that's exactly— they just get it when they want it, they get it from that person, and that's how it rolls.

Josh: Well, this is what I'm— Very quickly, this is what I'm worried about, because after the show the other day, Bodhi said, oh, I want a— What did he call it? Some truck thing. Oh, the monster truck, right? And I looked at it, I was like, oh, fuck, there's a— This remote control one. This is sick. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna fucking get this, right? And so, I said to Bri, I'm like, 'Oh, we're getting Bodhi this thing.' She's like, 'It's $100.' It's like, 'Is it his birthday?' I said, 'No, like, just fuck like doing it on his birthday. Let's get him something better now. You don't have to worry about the birthday.' Yeah, yeah. But then I did have the moment where I'm like, am I going to create the own— I don't— the only thing I'm worried about is that I don't want to then become the guy that Bodhi will only talk to if I have a gift. Is this the risk that I'm playing?

Tommy: Uh, well, I think, I think he's got so many people under his thumb that he would be happy to let you go because he's got 4 others that are doing the same, and he'd probably still talk to you.

Josh: He's— yeah, anyway, this is—

Tommy: so he's got George under his thumb, that's for sure. And, um, George got him some ooshies. And then I know George's work schedule now. He doesn't work Thursday till Sunday. He, you know, works Monday till Wednesday. I think that's his diary. Anyway, Bodhi's going this morning and he said to me, "Oh, I hope George has got more ooshies for me." And I just slowly start breaking it to him that George doesn't work on Thursdays.

Josh: Yeah. And he's, "Oh." And he's not your ooshie dealer.

Tommy: And then I said, "Oh, but his sister's there." And he's, "Great, great, great, great." So then he gets there. George has informed his sister that Bodhi needs the ooshies. He's left ushis on the coffee machine ready for Bodhi. And so he's just casting a web out. He's got people working on the ushi delivery. We've got people, hopefully got some network.

Josh: He's the top of the ushi pyramid, dude.

Tommy: He has ushis coming out his ears. But like, I reckon you could pull a snippet from this show of me just criticising ushis in the landfill, but You get to a point as a parent where you just, you're on edge, you know, you're fucking really on the edge and the Ooshies are bringing joy. And so, this is where they get you. This is where they get you.

Josh: I've got an idea so that he gets, so we can make sure that he doesn't become spoiled with the whole thing.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: How do you feel about us saying, hey, you might get Ooshies, Ooshies, whatever the fuck they're called, but we need to get you to draw a picture for the bloke at the cafe or his sister or whatever. So then there's something where tomorrow, it's like, you've got like, what is something that he can do during the day that then like, you know, keeps him busy, maybe some watercolor, I don't know, whatever it wants to be. And then tomorrow he can give that to them. So then it feels like it's more of a, a relationship going both ways rather than him just having a dealer.

Tommy: Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's the first time I feel like I'm actually, um, not paying for— like, I'm giving— I'm just pretending I'm paying for ushis these days rather than coffee, because now it's a coffee and an ushi that I get. But I like that, getting him to draw a little thank you card. That'd be nice. I mean, that is what you got to teach kids, the thank you. Oh, but this other guy this morning But like, we're always telling him, say thank you, say please, you know, just manners, manners, manners. Just drill it into them. And he— I didn't notice Bodhi being exceptionally kind with his manners. He must have been, but then that's what, you know, beating it into them— not physically, just metaphorically— does. Because this guy sort of made his way towards us sitting down and was smiling. I was like, this guy looks great. He's got—

Josh: where the fuck is his mask?

Tommy: He didn't have a mask on. This guy didn't.

Josh: That's right.

Tommy: He looks so happy.

Josh: He knew what he was doing. He was great.

Tommy: Sort of a silver fox, tan, looks like he's just come from Noosa, which he hasn't, but he looked like he was living that retired life. And he just smiled at me. He said, great manners, great manners. Yep, yep, great manners. When was this? Was this this morning?

Josh: This is as well.

Tommy: This morning.

Josh: Was he a runner? I know I'm getting bogged down.

Tommy: He got a coffee, he just got a coffee and then made a beeline over.

Josh: Did you say, where the fuck is your mask, mate? Where's your manners? Seriously, what's his deal? Did it happen? Did he have it around his neck?

Tommy: I don't know, he might have taken it off.

Josh: I don't know, he's a prick, don't you reckon?

Tommy: No, it was actually really nice. It made me feel really good because I just liked his smile and I. And then I watched him sort of like, I thought he might've just been walking past, but then he had to veer back around a few cars to get to his car. So, he purposefully made a beeline for us to tell us that.

Josh: Didn't Pete Evans suggest some sort of UV product to get rid of COVID Maybe the reason he's tanned is he's got the UV machine at home. Maybe that's what's going on.

Tommy: Well, I think that is actually a thing that UV light can kill off virus. But what you're saying is that he's using it suntan bed.

Josh: Um, do you know anyone that's got their own suntan? So I remember, um, yeah, Bree was very responsible when she was younger. I remember when we first started dating and she would go to the sunbed things, and her, like, her dad was furious when he found out that he said that $180 that you've spent, I'll give you the money back because, you know, you book in advance or whatever. He's like, I'll give you the money for you not to just, just like, you're not going anymore.

Tommy: So that is a classic parent move, like, I will pay you not to do that thing.

Josh: I'll pay for the stickies. How much were they? $25? Done.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Put them in your room. Yeah, I went, I went. No, not happy about it. There was a self-serve business and you just go and like, we worked out how to crack the machine. So we worked out how to con the machine. Like, it took these dollar, took these coins that you'd buy with cash, but then the coins were the size of a $1 coin. So, you just drop a $1 into the machine, you got a suntan. I mean, it's horrible. There was about, you know, 2 for 1.

Josh: I was talking to Jess yesterday and she was telling me about how, do you remember when you were a kid and whether it's your parents or one of your friends' parents, that a real thing about getting— being put on the spot about stuff. So you've got a mate that's over, and then you say to your mum or dad, hey, uh, can Johnny stay over? And piss them off, like shit them to tears, because it's like, Tommy, don't ask. Like, if you want to ask, don't ask me when fucking Johnny or whatever his name was.

Tommy: Yeah, I could imagine it happening. I can't remember for me, I was I mean, I've put my mum on the spot my whole life that you just end up having people sleep over.

Josh: It's like, oh, can we take so-and-so? Like, you know, oh, this is a big one actually. I remember it happening, um, year 11. I walked up to— this is before Bree and I were actually even dating, so the start of year 11, and we had a media project and we had to go to the Salvos. I just said it to the to two new friends, uh, Bree and Georgia. I said, oh, we can go to the Salvos after school if you want. I'm like, okay, yeah, great. Like, you sure your mum's gonna be okay about it? Yeah, it should be fine. And so went to the car, Mum, we've just gotta— we've gotta go to the Salvos, and, um, Georgia and Bree, can they come too? And so, um, that was, uh, it was always a bit— I remember Mum telling me off in the car, I've got shit to do.

Tommy: Driving. But that's the on-edge bit that I'm talking about. That's the honest— as a parent, as a parent, like, I'm doing a meditation yesterday during the day and I start, I'm a minute in and all I hear is, milk please, just from the lounge room. Milk please. Just wants a glass of milk.

Josh: But just, I need to give him all of his milk for the day in some sort of self-serve container.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: What would happen?

Tommy: No, he'd be okay. He wouldn't— He's not like— Like, you give him a piece of chocolate and sometimes he savours it. He's a funny little kid.

Josh: What about the social dilemma thing where they had the container that has the timer on it? What about if you put all of his different snacks for the day in different containers with timers in his room?

Tommy: Yeah. Well, they're locked.

Josh: And you just unlock them.

Tommy: Locked timers.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then that girl smashes it. I mean, that's what happens. Yeah, I mean, he's not at that point where he's like— at daycares they have like, um, a lot of daycare centres have like a, uh, the water cooler kind of thing with a, you know, it's like a, uh, what do you call it? Like a— this is hilarious. Um, what are they called? The, the, the water vending, you know, they're just like a big glug, glug, glug. Yeah, you put on and it sort of—

Josh: isn't it a water bottle?

Tommy: Yeah, it must be a water cooler, but maybe that's the brand, Water Cooler.

Josh: No, no, no, the, the brand— remember the one like they would do TV ads And it was like, it was a subscription before Netflix. Like, I could get around that.

Tommy: So it's a water dispenser, water cooler.

Josh: What is it called? What's the brand though?

Tommy: Water coolers, Aqua Cooler Direct. There's a bunch on here. Anyway, there was a door— remember door-to-door salespeople? Yeah, that's a thing of the past. Hardly see people coming to your door, especially this year. They're out of business. But we had a door-to-door person come and they offered up a water cooler for our house.

Josh: Never Fail was the one.

Tommy: Never Fail, yeah. And so anyway, I've answered the door and I didn't need to cheque with Mum because I was, you know, I was across the finances. I was across it.

Josh: You were the biggest expense.

Tommy: And I took this water cooler and I got the the free 3 months or something, and I had a water cooler in my room.

Josh: Did you really? Yeah, you had a water cooler in your room?

Tommy: Yes, but, but the thing is, I didn't have, um, I didn't keep you up at night. That's what I thought so, but maybe it did. I can't remember that bit, but I just remember having icy cold water when I wanted.

Josh: And then how big was your room?

Tommy: Like, the water coolers aren't big, they're just like Fits nicely in the corner. I remember at my— at the entrance, just to the left, there was enough space below the light to just put me water cooler.

Josh: I love that. That's great. I remember like the, um, computers and stuff in your room and all the lights. Like, did you had a computer in your room, didn't you?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. I didn't have the water-cooled computer though. Campton— Conspiracy Jimmy did. And, um, I used to love staying at his joint when we were young, and I— and you could see that, you could see the green water-cool fluid going through, and it was a light, felt really alive, you know.

Josh: Yeah, I also, uh, remember the, uh, when I first got my big client project that paid cash. I had like a stack of 50s. It would have been— must have been like year 10 or something. And, um, for whatever reason, the client paid cash And so I had all of this cash and an international student knocked on our door selling paintings. So I was like, okay, what do you fucking got? Like, you know, I'm 15 and 16, just pull out my cash and they're showing it to me. Oh yeah, that one's quite nice. And so I actually bought a painting off an international student with my— like, that's where door-to-door salespeople shine. I just remember, yeah, Mum coming home from work. What's— yeah, what's this painting? So I bought it.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: Yeah, fucking bought my first piece of art. And it took many, many years for me to then afford the, um, the, the process of getting it wrapped. So I remember, I think it was for my 18th birthday, my nana actually took the painting and got it wrapped. But it was just Where is it? I think that Bree chucked it. I think it was like, yeah, it would have been great, but it was just, it was one of those things. It was like the elephant I bought in Thailand, like it's the wooden elephant. There's been a few things.

Tommy: Thanks for clarifying, because you could probably buy a real one.

Josh: No, I do own an elephant, but in the apartment too. It's very— Don't talk about yourself like that. The wooden elephant, the painting, there's all these things that have sort of come with me over the years as we've gone to every house. And so, you lose them after a while because they're like, yeah, this is— what is this doing?

Tommy: Imagine if that was somebody that went on to become—

Josh: I mean, I know. I know. Well, that's— I think that's what you'll bank it like. I think that I was like, I saw myself as sort of an art buyer at that point.. And so, it's like, okay, this would be— But it was rolled up for such a long time. And I'm sure that there was some 40-degree days where there was some direct heat going on. I don't know if it was in the best condition. It was an abstract.

Tommy: Have you seen Banksy documentary? There's an—

Josh: Exit Through the Gift Shop, that one?

Tommy: I think it's that. It's this one where he— I mean, there's heaps of sort of docos or pieces about Banksy, but There's one bit where he, um, has a stall on the side.

Josh: Oh yeah, I don't know if that is Central Park.

Tommy: And he's— and he— and he, he isn't there because no one knows who Banksy is. But he gets these people, probably just locals, to sell his artwork, which look like knockoffs because you can buy knockoffs off the street in New York. And these things like are going for like $200, $300, but they're worth— like, I loved at the end they sort of showed the amount one was worth, like $80K, and it just— and someone bought like 3 of them, like, I like that. And then I don't know, I wonder if they were told, but I was just, you know, you, you envisage coming across something and then it just be, you know, it's like winning the lotto, isn't it? Yeah, it's a very romantic storey that you feel better from just telling yourself the storey It could happen. Yeah, imagining it happening than it actually happening.

Josh: Do you know Neil Buchanan?

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: So, Neil Buchanan is— People are saying online that he is in fact Banksy. Look up Neil Buchanan.

Tommy: Oh, really? I mean, this is— His cover's blown.

Josh: B-U-C-H-A-N—

Tommy: TV presenter?

Josh: The Art Attack guy.

Tommy: Oh, no way!

Josh: This is an art attack. This is an art attack. This is Art Attack.

Tommy: You know, yeah, I love him. Yeah, yeah, he's awesome.

Josh: Yeah, he's had to come out and say, I'm not Banksy, because that was a big rumour that was going around. I would love for it to be Neil from Art Attack.

Tommy: Would be so— see, I grew up watching that show. Loving it. I was, um, I just got him confused with the guy I think who died of a drug overdose. Maybe that's the Blue's Clues guy. Blue's Clues.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: Yeah, very similar. Like, oh no, yeah, yeah, similar vibes.

Josh: Kids, this is a British guy, like the, the, um, and they remember he would zoom out and do these crazy, like, he would go when he was putting, you know, socks, and then he zooms out and he's like, you know, created a massive horse out of socks.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, that's where I got these drones to do my, um, you know, I, I got those trash O-bikes and I, and I actually got like 10 of them and I made, got a drone to shoot down and it said a number, it was like $1,500 or something. And so I used bikes from an aerial shot to tell how much money I'd raised for charity.

Josh: You did that for Scott Pape too. Pape is now the, the new Art Attack guy. How many books he's signed?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, when Scott Pape's Barefoot Investor book sold, it was crazy. I went to his farm and he— and we were celebrating selling $500,000, and the next time I speak to him a couple of months later, he sold fucking $2 million of the things.

Josh: Yeah, that's crazy.

Tommy: But I, I— so I drew— we had so many of his books and we got the aerial shot up at the, the farm in Romsey and shot down, and I wrote out— or he wrote out with the books while I was flying the drone— 500 with a K at the end, 500K, which I thought was fun. He loved it.

Josh: I like that idea.

Tommy: He got around it. I think he went and bought a drone after I actually went to the farm. Yeah, because I was chasing the sheep with the drone, and then he bought one because he wanted to do it too.

Josh: On the putting people on the spot, I was also— What are you talking about?

Tommy: What's wrong?

Josh: Nothing's wrong. The— I remember we were— we had some people over for dinner and Bree had these 3 candles, so like rose gold.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And they were in the middle of the table and we had a friend who we hadn't seen in ages and she— her and her partner were there and she's like, those candles are beautiful. I love those candles. And I just picked one up. I said, here, have it. And, and Bree was shocked because they were her candles. And she's like, um, no, no. And it was this really awkward thing. I'm like, we don't need 3. She's like, limited edition. And so, and, and then the friend's like, oh no, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. I mean, who's in the wrong? Am I in the wrong for trying to give them away, or is Bree in the wrong for just not going with it and, and being greedy with 3 candles?

Tommy: Well, I mean, you could say that there's value sets clashing. So one of your values is generosity, I think, and you are very generous, but that's not necessarily— it's not that Bree isn't generous. It's that her generosity would come out somewhere else. And so what you've done is Bree's value of, I love my house smelling and great, and I love these things like, you know, candles, like, and they were special. So when you come into the house, and so you've got those two things clashing and that they're just at different areas. So you're—

Josh: and you couldn't buy them anymore. She said, like, you can't buy them. They were from her old work, More Cosmetics or whatever. And it was a— so anyway, but I just thought like Hang on, wait, did the candle go?

Tommy: Did it go?

Josh: No, no, no, no. The person's like, don't worry about it. It's like, are you sure? And Bree's like, don't fucking ever do that again.

Tommy: So I get— here's the— your— another example of you putting on the spot, putting the Gronk Squad on the spot, i.e., the people in this business, is 2 weeks ago when it's Screenplay Sunday on the Daily Talk Show and we're just talking about— we just did a Screenplay Sunday and then 2 seconds later we had a podcast which impacts everybody in the business.

Josh: So great idea.

Tommy: Yeah, that is on this— that's on the spot. That's like a creative on the spot where it's, fuck, I thought we're going to Portsea, now we're going to Frankston.

Josh: But it's like fun though, right?

Tommy: You know, it is fun, it is fun. But that is a, uh, another version of on the spot. Yeah, yeah, we're doing this now.

Josh: I like, uh, what's it called? Like impromptu stuff. Like, I just like the random, "Oh, let's do this thing today." Like, if we could and it was like, "Oh, let's drive to this place. Let's go on a road trip." I'd fucking do it. I love like when, you know, like someone has to go to the airport. Yeah, well, like, that's good fun, right?

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, not all, like the caveat around it is though, because there's sometimes that it won't be. So it's not everything, it's just like, it's the, it's the essence of we're doing something right now, or let's do something radical. It is radical. You like radical behaviour sometimes. It's something, it's, it's a bit sort of like, um, uh, adrenaline, you know, just fucking tingling your dingle.

Josh: No, I get it, I get it. The, um, before we go, can you read it? So, um, Radio Today, which is like a radio industry website. They, they published something about like, um, us talking about the Spotify thing the other day. Yeah, I was just on their website. Can you just— I just had a good laugh at the big headline that's— that the CEO of Commercial Radio Australia is saying at the moment. And can we just take a moment to pray for traditional media? What, what's the— what's that? What's the headline? All right, do you know the one? There's a big one, it's the big banner.

Tommy: Yeah, put your money where your mouth is. Commercial Radio Australia urges marketers to give more of their budgets to radio.

Josh: I mean, it's not great, is it, when you have it like, give us your money? Like, it's nothing about like, we can add value, we can do all this sort of thing. It's like, come on, put your money where your mouth is. Come on, if you're so rich. Give us some.

Tommy: Like, it's, um, tell us how many people it actually goes to. But don't do that, but give us your fucking cash.

Josh: But then the other thing too is it's like they go on to say in the article, the CEO, she says, um, uh, not worried about the industry, just worried about the economy, not worried about, not, not worried about the industry at all. And I think that this is the classic case of your business was fucked before COVID Is it that you've broken your leg and you're trying to limp it, you're trying to just walk it off? No, no, no.

Tommy: Someone's like, mate, your leg is fucking broken, please stop walking. No, mate, it's all fucking good, it's all good.

Josh: No, this is like your tyre was flat, all your tyres were flat, you're driving along and then you've seen COVID coming, which is a truck you've just fucking steered into it and just like, fuck, we're written off and it was the fucking truck. It's like, guys, you were barely— you were— and so anyway, like, I don't— like, it seems like I'm, uh, like, we're, you know, celebrating that. I mean, it is sad, but I think that the, the— and, you know, people lose their jobs and all that sort of thing. But I think that the, um, just the— what's that? What's the word? The entitlement. The entitlement of an entire industry to think that just because your radio and you like that you somehow like give us your money, show us like no, no, this is a thing like you need to adapt, you need to be serving audiences, you need to be serving listeners, you need to be doing that for— show us how you've done anything to evolve how you serve listeners and you've waited until the last second to do it. You've, you've, and you've half-assed it, and this is, this is what you're experiencing. These are the same people that created the podcast ranker, by the way. So, you know, like, it's, it's, uh, it's sad.

Tommy: Yeah, ideas. Yeah, all right, it is. But look, if you do have whooshies, send them to PO Box 400, Abbotsford, 3067.

Josh: That's correct, 3067. It's funny, I say that's how I remember it. Great. And if you've got some money, you know, if you've got some money to donate, Commercial Radio Australia would really appreciate some. Maybe we could, yeah, maybe we can do some sort of fundraiser. I mean, this crazy amount of entitlement, like, I won't go into— I've only read the headline, but the, uh, $18 or something million going to, um, Foxtel from, from the government, like, just fucking writing cheques and stuff. Yeah, I mean, uh, it's a little bit hyperbolic from my end because I haven't read the article.

Tommy: Which is just, um, door-to-door salesperson got a $30 3-month Foxtel trial, free installation. That was pretty fucking good back in the day.

Josh: Yeah, well, back in the day, I actually, I screen grabbed and sent it to Bree. I got a Foxtel, like, a thing saying, hey, uh, like something similar, like a Foxtel thing. I was like, I could get around, you know, like cable, uh, news during sort of the, the US election and stuff. But it's like, true. Oh yeah, that would be a good month to have it Yeah, but the distraction, like, the thing is, like, how many hours are you then just fucking consuming this trash? Um, yeah, anyway, enjoy the rest of your day, everyone. Uh, if you, uh, enjoy the show, please, uh, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Uh, we're on Instagram as well, all of those places. If you want to have a deeper conversation, you can email us hi@thedailytalkshow.com. One Trick Tony, the show that we produce with Tony Lodge, new episode out today. Make sure you cheque it out. Hump Day Replay was yesterday where we did the ring around, a lot of fun. GB and the team did a great job on that. Anything else I'm missing?

Tommy: There's also Tuesday's Too Much Tally.

Josh: Yeah, Too Much Tally, it was on Tuesday and smashing goals. Great, that's it. Enjoy the rest of your day, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.