Banned From The Olympics With Ryan Jon

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 787.

Tommy: Ryan John, welcome to Weekend Banter.

Ryan: Good to be here, good to be here.

Tommy: Good to see you. You're wearing your merch.

Ryan: Yeah, I'm wearing my Daily Talk Show hoodie and I've got beef. First of all, Tommy, what are you wearing?

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show hoodie.

Ryan: Josh?

Josh: The hoodie. And yeah, you've got—

Ryan: I've got the hoodie.

Josh: You've got some mince, some beef.

Ryan: Uh, yeah, George, what are you wearing?

George: I've got the crew neck on.

Ryan: Yeah, '97.

Mason: I've got the Gronk Squad t-shirt on.

Ryan: You're better than that. Everyone's wearing the Daily Talk Show stuff except you.

Josh: That's it, it is.

Ryan: Yeah, but that's like a part of the outside circle. You're in the building, you are the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: I see, you mean he's just not wearing his uniform.

Ryan: Yeah, exactly. And that's my first piece of beef. My second piece of beef is with George.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, do you Do you know what it's about?

George: No. What is it?

Ryan: What did you— When did you call me?

George: Oh, yeah, I did. I called you last night.

Ryan: What'd you say?

George: Well, I mean, we were going to record a Hump Day Replay.

Mason: Yeah.

Ryan: But what happened?

George: I just— I needed to do a few more things.

Ryan: He bumped me. I drove down and for legal purposes, let's say pre-Wednesday. I drove down from the country to do Hump Day Replay. I was at a servo in Ballan, which is about halfway. Yeah, he calls and goes, oh, a bit busy actually.

Josh: I'm so sorry, on Tommy and Mark.

Ryan: No, no, no. I was like, what am I doing you a favor?

Tommy: He's talking shit because you were coming down to do some errands. Am I right?

Ryan: I was making the most of my trip while I was down here.

George: I do feel bad, but I appreciate you going out of your way to come down here. But we will have another time.

Ryan: Yeah, well, hopefully the content I prepared is still relevant.

Tommy: So, Amy are going to bring something to you guys. We've had a blow-up many a times.

Josh: But not this bad?

Tommy: No, not this consistent. This one has been a debate or an argument in the car, I reckon, once a week. So Hyundai, great car. Tucson, you know, small size SUV.

Ryan: Sorry, is this pay without— is this say without pay?

Josh: No, it's just a great car.

Tommy: When you've got a great product, you don't pay. Okay, that's not true. Anyway, so, you know, in the car it's like a 20 2016 model.

Josh: Ooh la la.

Tommy: Yeah, those cars, you can leave the lights on all the time. When you turn the car off, you just lock it and the lights go off.

Ryan: Oh, mine's the same. I've never turned my lights off ever.

Tommy: Yeah, so I don't do that. I don't turn my lights off ever.

Ryan: Yeah.

Tommy: But Amy's like, your lights are on when we're driving in the daytime. I'm like, doesn't matter. I don't think about it. But she's like, no, you have to. So last night we're driving along the highway, lights aren't on.. And I was like, this wouldn't have happened if you let me leave my lights on the whole time. So, you're a lights on all the time guy.

Ryan: Yeah. Not only does it save you from that problem, but if your lights are on during the day, apparently you're statistically less likely to be run into because you're more visible, even though it's daylight. Really? It makes others more aware of you when your lights are on.

Josh: Jay Jay, what do you think? I always have the lights on.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It doesn't matter what time of day.

Tommy: Hey, don't let your partner change you. I've got to go back to the light, light switch on guy.

Josh: And so, what did you do?

Tommy: Well, in the car, because I mean, she drives— it's a shared vehicle. She turns the lights all the way off.

Josh: Why is that?

Tommy: Don't know. She thinks it's something to do with power. I tell you what, she's like, it's worri— I'm worried about the power. I'm like, mate, it's got a fuel transfer.

Ryan: No, it's not a battery. It charges itself in the car.

Tommy: It's got a transformer from the fuel.

Mason: Is that how the— where—

George: how does the battery—

Ryan: from the wheels going around.

Tommy: So you got to drive anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you drive and it spins the wheels, which spins a transformer that then charges the battery. How the fuck do you think the battery charges?

George: That's interesting.

Mason: I didn't know that.

George: You wouldn't have known that, Josh.

Mason: That's how regenerative braking works.

George: Did you know that?

Tommy: His dad's a car guy. You guys don't have a bone in this fight because, um, you don't drive.

George: Yeah, I don't drive.

Tommy: But what year was the car?

George: Great design.

Tommy: I think 2016.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: All right, so I've— look, when I was in here, I took a look at the financials of a big media company, daily talk show. I'm predicting you guys will get a new car soon.

Tommy: Um, the business— the business will get a car, or personally?

Ryan: You tell the tax man whatever you need to tell him to write it off. But what I'm getting The newer models, they're automatic. So, Bridget and I have the same car. We both drive Volkswagen Golfs. Volkswagen Golfs. But hers is 2 years newer and the lights are automatic. So, they turn themselves on at night.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: So, she doesn't have to touch them either.

Tommy: Dude, so we have an auto setting. Yep. You can either just have always on that shuts off anyway when you lock the car. Auto setting, which does go through a tunnel, lights go on. It's just recognised.

Josh: I hate that feature because I get like, you think that you're getting flashed by someone.

Jess: True, dude.

Josh: But they're just going under a tunnel.

Ryan: Tunnel.

Tommy: Yeah, and I'm ready to blow up on the road. So if someone's trying to— I'm like, definitely, let's fucking go.

Ryan: Yeah. Does that, uh, to you guys, do you think out of the three of us that Tommy would be the angriest driver?

George: Yeah, I've seen it. Have you? Oh yeah, you blow up. When we were driving back from, um, from Venture IP, you guys were fighting the whole way in the car.

Ryan: Oh, but that's on Venture IP. That's fine.

Tommy: There was mum and dad fighting in the front.

George: Who was driving that time?

Mason: TJ was driving.

Tommy: I was driving. And then we did the whole piece on air. It was like, okay, Let's run this past Ryan.

Ryan: Okay.

Tommy: If you're coming onto, so, say you're in the suburbs and you want to jump onto the Monash Freeway.

Ryan: Yep.

Tommy: And so, you've veered onto the sort of inlet bit to the highway. Who gives way? The person who's just entered the highway or the person on the highway?

Ryan: I think it's the person on the highway's responsibility to get the fuck out of the way of the person coming in.

Josh: Thank you. That's what I said.

Ryan: Probably not legally, but ethically and morally they should.

Josh: Well, don't you think that, so, yeah, the thing was that TJ was just—

Ryan: This is not the answer Tommy wanted, I feel.

Tommy: I'm just trying to work out what—

Josh: What you think.

Tommy: So, because—

Josh: If you just move into the middle of your shot, you're really creeping lately.

Tommy: Me?

Josh: Yeah, you're just not in the middle.

Tommy: So, I think that—

Josh: Other way.

Tommy: I think that if you're trying to merge onto the freeway, you have to expect that the car going 100 k's an hour is the person to look out for. Like, so it's— Or you've got to look out for—

Ryan: A good person on the highway will know that there's an on-ramp and leave room either by speeding up or moving into lane.

Tommy: Oh, you move lane. That's not a doubt. But the question was, what's the rule? And so, because it's giving way to the freeway, the person entering the freeway has to give way to the 100-kilometre car.

Ryan: Technically, yes.

Jess: Technically.

Ryan: Morally, ethically, nah. And if you drove a real car instead of a Hyundai, you could have just flown past them anyway.

Josh: I was trying to work out why did we— What was the argument? Were you trying to— You weren't letting someone in?

George: I think what happened was, Tommy, you were driving and you just stayed in the left lane and you floored it. And I think the person was coming to merge on and Josh got angry because you should have moved over.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. And so, my point is that it's too dangerous to suddenly brake at 100 kilometres an hour, which would have been to slow down.

Josh: But you knew the exit was coming.

Tommy: Yeah, but so, but what are they meant to be thinking?

Josh: Well, so, no, the thing is—

Tommy: They know the exit is coming.

Josh: So, what are they— So, to your point, if it's dangerous to suddenly slow down, don't you think that you should also be considerate when you're on the freeway around, oh, there's someone going to be entering, am I giving them enough room? Are they going to have to do some sort of crazy manoeuvre?

Tommy: They don't have to do a crazy manoeuvre because they know that they're entering a freeway and you have to be very cautious and give way. The rule is give way to traffic behind you.

Josh: But you were driving along to the point where they get to the end of their lane and they're going to have to slow below 100.

Tommy: But if they're not looking, so it's—

George: They're not looking?

Josh: And everyone should be looking.

Tommy: That's right.

George: I was looking.

Tommy: I just knew—

Josh: So, you were looking.

Ryan: Hey, George and Mace, when you were saying mum and dad were fighting, is this what it was like?

Mason: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: It definitely wasn't that extreme. It wasn't that extreme.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: It wasn't something—

Ryan: I'm getting the feel for it.

Tommy: TV screen where they're about to hit a brick wall if I don't move or not.

Josh: But it was, yeah. But I don't know why, like, being aggressive—

Tommy: Grace, I heard her saying that you're a— front seat driver.

Mason: Oh yeah, no, I'm a real front seat driver.

Tommy: For a guy that doesn't have his license.

Mason: To be fair, just drive in the middle lane. Don't drive in the left lane. Don't drive on the on-ramp lane. I mean, that's for people coming onto the freeway. Stay in the middle one.

Ryan: I don't hate that. I like that.

Mason: That's a great, that's a great idea.

Tommy: Yeah, you don't have to worry about it. Well, because then the middle lane is always just jumping into the fast lane. If you need, jump back into the middle.

Josh: So what happened? So, but it was a two-lane freeway.

Tommy: No, it wasn't. It's a 3-lane freeway, the Monash Freeway.

George: I think the fight came from Josh. You were like, you could have moved over then, why didn't you? And Tommy said, I don't have to.

Ryan: I just appreciate George's t-shirt.

Josh: George has his, um, the pink, uh, duck that you got.

Ryan: Very aggressive the way he's holding it too.

Josh: So just quickly, um, it's a 3-lane freeway, the Monash Freeway. The whole way?

Tommy: All the way.

Ryan: So we're gonna take the cameras down and do a reenactment. No, it is, it is.

Josh: Eden Rise on the entry.

Mason: I'm not sure about Eden Rise.

Josh: No, no, no. So, it's not Eden Rise. Hang on. Can you look up the Nariwarren, like Belgrave, Hallam? I have a feeling that it's a— It's— You're either—

Tommy: So, I was in the middle lane.

Josh: Yeah, which is the left lane because it was only a 2-lane at that point.

Tommy: So, the on-ramp should have given way.

Ryan: If there's only 2 lanes, there's no middle lane.

Tommy: I'll put that out there.

Mason: Yeah, that's a great call.

Tommy: I wonder what a driving inspector would say. Obviously, it's like right or whatever, but it's like the person who's learning is explained, you need to give way. These people are going to be going fast, so you need to come onto the highway. Like, it's in films, like young drivers too scared to get on. And so, in America, in LA, it's like 5 lanes and it's like too scary because everyone's flying at 120. And so, it's a scary thing.

Ryan: I failed my driver's, my, for my P's. Foul.

Tommy: Once or more?

Ryan: Once and then got it successfully the next day.

Tommy: What'd you foul? How?

Ryan: How did you do it? So, you know, when you're coming up to a— I was going to say a red light, but like an orange light and you get to that situation and you're like, am I doing it?

Josh: Everyone did it. I did it.

Ryan: Yeah, I did it. And the thing is that we probably all do it every day, but in a test, probably you shouldn't.

George: I thought they would have respected that.

Ryan: Well, that's what I thought. I was like, do you want me to slow down because I'm in a test situation, or do you want me to give you a slice of what my everyday driving is going to be like?

Tommy: I feel like you should know the rule very specifically because you don't find red lights. And technically, you just said it was coming up to an amber light, orange.

Ryan: Well, it'd gone red before, before I— and I just slammed my finger down. So I said on my form, ran a red light, and I didn't know this, it was technically speeding because when it's red, the speed limit is zero. So, I was in theory 80 above the limit.

Mason: Oh, my God.

Josh: Is that what they say?

Mason: That's a lot of tomatoes.

Tommy: I don't know if that's correct because my brain was—

Josh: Well, you get a red light, fine. You don't get a speeding—

Tommy: Some are double. So, I just killed it. There's a fucking prick of a light that does double.

Josh: But it's not based on the speed limit being zero.

Tommy: Never. No, it's like above 60 or above 40.

Ryan: I would have thought that we would have like, you know, finished the test and then you get the thing and you pass off. As soon as I did that, he's like, 'And if you can just pull over here to the left.' And I was like, 'Oh, what do you mean just here? Like, there's no street.' 'Just pull over.' And then he's like, 'Get out.' And then the driving instructor drove us back.

Jess: Wow.

George: What a cock.

Tommy: Yeah, I think, um, so by the way, it's a, um, it's a 3-lane.

Mason: I'm just on really Street View.

Tommy: Including the exit, it's a 3-lane, of course.

Mason: No, yeah, it's 3 lanes and then plus the on-ramp.

Tommy: It's not a country road. Um, amber light means stop unless you check.

Josh: No, no, I'll go, I'll go, I'll just go along the, um, street.

Ryan: Uh, amber light means I thought amber light meant have a crack, son.

Tommy: No, it means stop unless unsafe to do so. I'm pretty sure that was it because, uh, we went through a— well, I told the police it was amber, pretty sure it was red when I was young. I was in a car accident, but, um, yeah, no good. Stop unless unsafe to do so. But then there's the admin. If you have that argument, it's like, I was fucking unsafe to do so. I had a bloody heavy load in the back, kids were fighting. Yeah, and I just had to—

Ryan: had to have mom and dad arguing about how many lanes on the Monash.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, actually. Is it Eden Rise or is it—

Josh: No, shout out to, uh, Charles.

Tommy: Venture IP.

Josh: Venture IP as well. Venture IP, if you need web hosting, if you use the promo code— what's the promo code?

Mason: TDDS.

Josh: If you TDDS, you'll get 50% off shared hosting for your first year. It's a great deal.

Ryan: If you use the code Ryan John, you actually get 56% off.

Josh: So, uh, you can—

Mason: did you see all their widescreen monitors that they got the other day?

Josh: No.

Mason: They probably got like 50 widescreen LG monitors.

Josh: Yeah, maybe we could do that, get one.

Tommy: We need that. Um, what were you saying?

Josh: Uh, Charles, uh, who— he helped produce a 24-hour show from Bathurst. Ah yeah, uh, he just got his, uh, P's, just got his license.

Ryan: Well done. I spent a lot of time with Charles in the green room while I was walking. Oh, have I been back since I did the marathon?

Josh: Yeah, you have. Have you?

George: I don't think I have.

Josh: Yeah, you have.

Ryan: I've seen you. I've been in the building.

Tommy: You haven't been on the show.

Ryan: All right, well, now that I'm on the show, has Josh mentioned how great he is at walking since? And has he been corrected by any of you guys?

Josh: Actually, he hasn't.

Ryan: He hasn't.

Tommy: He said he's been doing fuck all.

George: He did mention it the other day, actually.

Ryan: I bet it was, um, Josh would have loved to have mentioned he was exercising if he was.

Josh: What was the joke?

George: Jess said you're always two steps ahead of things, and you said, I do walk quickly. That is true.

Ryan: Did you then correct yourself and say, but obviously Ryan is the superior walker, as per the deal?

Josh: No, no, mate.

George: He's sliding it in there as a joke, so it's okay.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly.

Josh: Yeah, I believe that's not how it works.

Ryan: Why are you struggling, Josh?

Josh: Oh, you know, just wonder why am I struggling. I'm actually okay.

Tommy: I did, I mean, walking less. I mean, it's all been a bit fucked up. I haven't been gym in a while.

Josh: I haven't been thinking it like, um, I was meant to— where was I meant to go away? Molitos?

Tommy: No, that's right. No, Yarra Valley. You're meant to go to the Yarra Valley. I can't remember the name, but Yeah, was going to go to a going—

Josh: was meant to go away because I always— Yeah, well, normally I actually came up with a good idea instead of cancelled.

Mason: Prevented?

Ryan: Postponed?

Josh: No, no, no. Why don't we do accountability culture rather than cancel culture?

Tommy: Yeah, I'd be for that. But I don't think the people that—

Josh: Cancel culture.

Mason: It hasn't got a nice ring to it, does it?

Ryan: Cancel culture is so great because of the alliteration. There's two C's. You guys worked at commercial radio. You know how it works. You have to have words that start with the Start with the same letter, you know what I'm trying to say.

Josh: Yeah, I get it.

Ryan: So, what's it? What's accountability action? Accountability awareness?

Josh: Accountability just doesn't roll off the tongue.

Ryan: No, it really doesn't, does it?

Josh: It's a bit hard. And so, anyway, no, I just feel like—

Ryan: Check yourself Tuesday.

Josh: Yeah, that's a—

Tommy: Take Down Tuesday. You were doing that for a while.

Ryan: I was?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ryan: Who was I taking down?

Tommy: I don't know. You did a bunch of sort of takedowns on—

Ryan: Well, I took down the Australian Podcast Ranker, but that was Josh's takedown that I just piggybacked.

George: Yeah.

Ryan: I took down the Australian writer who was having a go at Mitch Oval and Angry Dad and those. Who else have I taken down? I haven't taken down that many people.

Tommy: We did a job on 7-Eleven.

Ryan: Oh, took down 7-Eleven.

Josh: How are you going? So, yeah, I'm personally—

Tommy: You're objecting, Ryan.

Ryan: What the fuck?

Josh: So, the thing is, no. So, I just feel like I just had a— Me having a burrito before, that was like me looking after myself because I'd been—

Ryan: It's a self-care burrito.

Mason: I actually think that was fine.

Josh: Yeah. And that's the whole thing. I couldn't believe when you were like, excuse me, fat shamed me for not, uh, for finishing the whole thing.

Ryan: I was just curious because of the size of the burrito if you did indeed finish it. And second of all, I don't think I'm in a position to be fat shaming anyone.

Josh: No, I think if we've learned anything on the show, um, that's where people, people don't belong in.

Ryan: There's one thing we've learned, it's that.

Josh: Absolutely not.

Ryan: And the last time I made content with some of you guys with Tommy was when we ate 15 kebabs in about an hour and we had to roll home.

Josh: That was silly, wasn't it? And so anyway, how are you feeling? Scale 1 to 10 emotional state.

Ryan: Which end of the scale is which?

Josh: 1 is turmoil, some help, and 10 being fucking loving life.

Ryan: Well, first of all, when you say 1 is need some help, I'll always take any help that's been offered. But I'd say 8. I'm feeling good.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Ryan: Feeling healthy. We're not as locked down in regional Victoria as you guys are in the city. So, where the gyms are open, stuff's still happening. I don't get that. Well, all the cases are in Melbourne. They're not out in the regions.

Tommy: It's not how it works.

Ryan: Well, like, that's how it's working right now. I don't know what to tell you. We're not locked down. It's just Melbourne that's locked down.

Josh: So, how are you here?

Ryan: Well, I'm driving back after this episode and I'm not coming back for 6 weeks.

Tommy: Sebs has COVID, you fuckhead.

Ryan: Why are we all taking it back? I'll be the guy.

Tommy: But this is like, we're in a lockdown. We haven't left this building in 14 days.

Ryan: You thought a 24-hour broadcast was big. This is going to be a 6-week straight live. Yeah, COVID in a box.

Josh: Definitely.

Ryan: No, I'm doing good, doing good.

Josh: That's great. 80 is very— it's huge.

Jess: Strong.

Ryan: What are you— I'm getting married soon. I'm excited about it.

Josh: When's that happening?

Ryan: October.

Josh: And can you even do weddings?

Ryan: Well, that's the thing. We— it's as if we saw it all happening. We planned to elope with just 5 people.

Tommy: That's right.

Ryan: And then the government brought in the thing that's like a max of 5 people per wedding, and we were like, huh. Way ahead of ya.

Tommy: Dude, it's fucking crazy. We get— So lockdown and then 2 weeks later is my birthday. 2 weeks later is your 30th, JJ. Yeah, that's literally like—

Ryan: You're younger than all of us.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: She's that strange.

Tommy: And you're older than all of us.

Ryan: Yeah, I'm 30. I just turned 33. And I think anyone listening would have assumed that Josh was like 10 years older than the rest of us. Is that fair to say?

Josh: Well, you thought that I was what, 40 what?

Ryan: I think you've just got an old man syndrome. Soul, which is a good thing.

Tommy: Yeah, you've been called dad before.

Josh: Tully calls you. Yeah, we've retired that though, haven't we?

Ryan: Dad or daddy, very different.

Tommy: Stop joking about me. We'll retire that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm retired. Um, so Sebs, when are you getting your license?

Mason: Uh, end of year.

Ryan: Well, you can't get it now because you can't—

Mason: yeah, I can't get it now, but I, I need to wait until after November 1st because then I don't have to go on my red piece. I can just go straight.

Josh: Oh, that's right. Any, any friction with, uh, Grace that she's brought up up with you in regards to bits and bobs, just life.

Mason: And maybe if you've got some questions, Ryan, because look, I mean, yes, yesterday we did, we went through whilst we were in the car things that annoy each other.

Ryan: Why would you do that in a car of all places? If this episode has taught you nothing, it's not getting a fight into a car.

Mason: It came up after the backseat driving.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Or front seat driving.

Tommy: Oh, so you've just done it.

Mason: I'm a big front seat driver.

Tommy: He doesn't do it to us.

Josh: When he can't drive.

Tommy: He doesn't do it to us.

Josh: Could you imagine?

Jess: Do you imagine? Oh, fuck this.

Josh: Actually a bit dark. Um, no, just, I reckon there's probably like, I'm sure there's, there was definitely from front seat drivers. No, no, no, there was just, I'm sure that I made my mum so angry when she was driving. She said, I'm gonna drive this fucking car into a tree, which is a bit full-on, isn't it?

Jess: Really?

Josh: Look, you didn't know. No, no, we're all good. Um, so anyway, I feel like I always lately I've had anecdotes That think are funny. And then, as I say, it was like what I said to Bri when we had Bri on and I said that my girlfriend Bri said, maybe you'll never be happy. And it wasn't until after I said it that I was like, well, what was I expecting in regards to a response? But yeah, go on. So, what's the—

Mason: Well, yeah. So, the front seat driving is one.

Ryan: What don't you like about her?

Josh: Nah.

Ryan: Like what annoys you that she does? Just keep in mind that I met her before all of you. I just wanted to point that out.

Josh: Oh really?

Tommy: What?

Ryan: We used to be— she worked at the gym that I used to go to. We were mates.

Mason: Hang on, what gym did you go to?

Ryan: XGEN, Perth.

Josh: We're talking about the same person?

Tommy: Grace is it? What? Is this true, Seb?

Josh: Yeah, we know each other from way back.

Tommy: Fuck off.

Josh: You went to the gym?

Ryan: I knew there was holes in that story.

Josh: No, that's good. Now what is she?

Mason: That is great because she did work there, but that's great.

Ryan: Yeah, and she used to listen to the Hardys, Davey, and Ryan.

Mason: I don't know about that.

Ryan: No, she claimed that she did. It was on a show once. We talked about it.

Jess: What?

Josh: Hang on, maybe.

Ryan: Yeah, and she worked at NextGen Perth, and I lived across the street and used to go there and swim in the pool.

Tommy: Can you call Grace right now? Because I don't— I can't tell if this guy's talking.

Ryan: She signed me up, and I think she was on our show once as a caller.

Tommy: It sounds like—

Ryan: I mean, nah, nah, nah.

Tommy: What do you mean, mate?

Ryan: I think she won Alphabucks. She guessed the secret sound. No, no, she beat the bomb. She did it all.

Josh: Have you Are you not doing it based on you thinking it's someone else, Seb? Is that the problem?

Mason: No, well, she wouldn't call a radio station.

Ryan: Oh, but she worked at NextGen.

Josh: But she'll—

Tommy: What's wrong with calling a radio station? It's just not her vibe.

Ryan: Someone from NextGen owned the radio station. But was that— Did she work there or just went there?

Tommy: Did she work there?

Mason: She worked there.

Josh: Seb's still on FaceTime.

Tommy: She'll think something's up.

Mason: What's happening?

Jess: Nothing much. What's happening with you?

Mason: Uh, we're just on the show.

Ryan: Oh, can I ask the questions?

Mason: Hang on, hang on. I'm going to pass you to Ryan John. Hang on. Here you go.

Ryan: Hey, hey, good to see you again. I'll speak to you again.

Jess: Hi, nice to speak to you. How you going?

Ryan: Good. Now, is it true that you and I had heard of each other and lived in the same town and went to the same gym than the rest of these guys here? We had the first connection, right?

Jess: Oh my God, we did.

Tommy: Have you met?

Jess: Yeah, we actually were. Yes.

Tommy: So ask, have you— say, have we met?

Ryan: Have we? I actually can't hear you.

Josh: Yeah, you say.

Ryan: So when did we meet in person?

Jess: Oh, when were you a member at the gym?

Josh: Next Gen, right?

Jess: Yeah, yeah, I do remember you actually coming in.

Ryan: Oh my God, there you go. And I'm happy to have introduced you to 97. Okay, cool, thanks for your time.

Josh: See you later.

Ryan: Actually, while I've got you on, we were actually talking about things that our partners do that annoy us.

Mason: Oh yeah, doing it.

Ryan: Yeah, what's the most annoying thing about, about Mason?

Jess: Um, So the way he eats?

Mason: Oh yeah!

Ryan: I agree! Tommy Jacket agrees. What else?

Jess: It's so like— oh, I said this to him yesterday when he's sitting at dinner table, he puts his back to me sometimes which is rude.

Mason: That happened once.

Ryan: That is rude. And what did he say about you? What do you do that's annoying that he doesn't like?

Jess: He said hair in face and then I breathe really loudly.

Mason: Snores.

Josh: Snors, apparently.

Jess: Okay, thanks, Mason.

Tommy: Okay, okay, deny it because you've never seen it.

Ryan: All right, there we go. All right, well, hey, thanks for having a chat. Well, I'll see you soon.

Jess: Yeah, I'll see you soon.

Ryan: Bye-bye.

Josh: There we go.

Tommy: It's true.

Ryan: Can you guys please never doubt me ever again?

Tommy: So do you remember meeting her? Yeah. I can't believe we've just found this out.

Ryan: You knew this? We talked about this. I didn't know this.

Josh: All right, but why did you go so hard in— because you were adamant that they had met.

Ryan: Well, because 97 wants it all for himself, like a greedy man.

Mason: No, I thought Grace would have brought it up already, boy.

Ryan: Well, I thought I would have heard of it already.

Josh: Maybe you're not asking enough questions.

Ryan: Yeah, maybe, maybe because you've got your back to her, you know, you start paying more attention to it.

Mason: It happened, it happened once last night because I was— I was—

Josh: I've been— once last night?

Mason: It's— yeah, well, I had, I had one leg under the table and the other off the table, and so I was sort of sitting sideways, and it was a relaxed vibe, like we were having homemade hamburgers.

Jess: It sounds like it.

Josh: Oh geez, and they were real relatable homemade hamburgers.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, spend a bit of time with the family, man. I was, I was on my phone, just family man, he's on his phone at the, at the dinner table on my phone just posting a snippet to Instagram.

Josh: Oh great, no, no, no, I respect that.

Ryan: Respect the hustle.

Josh: Yeah, so what do you think from a social media perspective, what should we do? Like, we've had a few blow-ups over the years in regards to social media and The Daily Talk Show. Ryan, how much do you think we should be posting? Do you have any tips on how we can do better?

Ryan: Um, I mean, do we need to go back upstairs and get the whiteboard out?

Josh: Oh, and yeah, what have you got?

Ryan: I'm gonna get back before the lockdown starts.

Mason: Pre—

Ryan: yes, this was pre-recorded Tuesday.

Josh: Was that— what cough was that?

Ryan: It's a pre-check my throat. Pre-COVID. Uh, I think a lot of the socials should focus on Mason's inability to be a great boyfriend. Yeah, I think that should be a heavy focus.

Josh: I just worry that, um, Uh, we should be careful how much 97 content— like, it is the Daily Talk Show.

Ryan: You know what, that's such a Josh thing to say because we need more. Because you want to be 50% of Tommy and Josh, but really we're all just here to support me. We're all here to prop him up and make him the hero, and you need to come to terms with that.

Josh: No, absolutely not. So what do you think we should see more of? You want to see more Sebs?

Ryan: I like—

Josh: he can't even post on his own personal Insta. Why not?

Tommy: I just don't want to. It's easier for him to post on ours, but you're saying not his content?

Josh: No, no, no, I get it.

Ryan: I wouldn't—

Mason: no, it'd be shit anyway.

Ryan: Josh, do you feel like if there was— what do they call it in radio when they do research? And not the ratings, but there's that other one.

Josh: Oh yeah, the qualitative research.

Ryan: Oh no, but it's got a name when they go—

Josh: they find out what benchmarks people like.

Ryan: Yeah, but if we did a survey of all the people who listened to this show and it was like rate everyone's personality and rate who's your favorite, do you reckon 97 would be higher than you?

Josh: Yeah, no. So we did a, we did, and it's by design. We did a—

Mason: I made you.

Josh: We made all of them. No, but in seriousness, we did a survey and Georgie Boy and 97 were mentioned way more than us. Yeah, but that's, I mean, what we—

Ryan: I'm not surprised.

Josh: Yeah, but that's like, that is by design because what we—

Ryan: That's what— a person like you would say.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, we designed it.

Ryan: No, but seriously, um, I've worked for a lot of businesses who design their strategy after the results to justify them, not the other way. For me, and this is advice for everyone because I'm an MBA student now, I'll tell you what's up. Okay, strategy, it's about your plan for the future. Your strategy is your plan for the future. It's not to justify the shit that just happened.

Josh: Oh, that's good. I like that. So you're doing, um, you have to explain that to some former employers.

Ryan: Yeah, master Master of Business Administration. Master of Business Administration. Melbourne University, Melbourne Business School.

Josh: Not the National Basketball Association.

Ryan: No, that's the NBA. Imagine that, I'm going back to school, what are you doing?

Josh: MBA. Well, you were a volleyball champion.

Ryan: Thank you for using the word champion.

Josh: You were, weren't you?

Ryan: I was champion of what? Yeah, sure.

Tommy: You're a volleyballer.

Josh: Did you play Comm Games, was it?

Ryan: No, not Comm Games. I played US college, I played in Serbia.

Mason: You really sold it.

Josh: You actually sold it into the other day. I told Grace that you played in the Olympics.

Tommy: Talk about the test.

Ryan: Which test?

Tommy: Remember the test? And they—

Ryan: yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, I've played in Serbia in the World University Games, played Malaysia, US college, French Polynesia, a bunch of places, but I'm not that tall and I've got a bit fat. So, but anyway, so I got tested before the Australian—

Tommy: don't work that into your strategy.

Ryan: Strategy is about future. So my strategy was to be short and fat, and it's paid off because I didn't want to go to the Olympics. Because that was my strategy all along. Um, I think it was the finals of the Australian Volleyball League and random drug tests after. And who would have guessed, the guy from Eltham High got randomly selected for a drug test. Now the finals— yeah, the finals are in December, which was about a week after schoolies. Bad combination. So I piss in the jar, and it's actually really awkward because they give you all this water because they know you get a bit nervous, like 'Cause if you don't really need to go, pissing with someone watching you is really hard. So, they give you all this water. And then, they actually say you get to choose your jar, you get to choose the lid. So, it's all like, you know, random and stuff. But because I drank so much water, I needed to piss so badly that I actually like ended up spraying the cup in my own hand and the guy's gloves and stuff. It was horrific. And so, I'm pretty sure I didn't pass, right? Didn't pass the test after schoolies. Smoked a couple of spliffs when I was down there. Didn't work out well. No consequences in Australia.

Mason: However, I was told I wasn't allowed allowed to play in the Olympics.

Ryan: Now this is like, I don't know what to compare this to, but I was nowhere near Olympic level, nor was Australia anywhere near qualifying for the Olympic level. So it's, it'd be like someone saying to Josh, you can't be in the 100-meter sprint final in Tokyo next year. And then you'd be like, okay, but do whatever else, but no Olympics for you. And you're like, sure. So I went to US college and got a degree instead.

Josh: So, you did, but you did test positive. Did you get in trouble?

Ryan: No, no one knows except the Australian Olympic Committee who were like, who? What?

Tommy: That's so funny.

Ryan: And that was 2004.

Tommy: Did you get sent some piece of paper or?

Ryan: Yeah, I think it's still in the drawer somewhere.

Josh: And what did it say?

Ryan: Just, we've done your test and it was a negative result and it was, or positive, whatever the thing is. And it's been passed on to the Olympic Committee. And I was like, Okay, like, yeah, sure.

Josh: Oh, that's interesting.

Ryan: It's like literally zero consequences.

Tommy: It is just getting the confusion on the positive negative. It's like the— we've seen that scale.

Ryan: Yeah, Trump saying I came up positive for a negative.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it was positive. It was a positive result and it was negative. Yeah, which is positive. Something like that.

Jess: Maybe I did.

Ryan: I mean, I can't ever kind of remember, but like I said, it was such not a big deal. It was fine.

George: Yeah.

Ryan: So yeah, but it crushed you, crushed your hopes of the Olympics.

Tommy: It's a great story.

Ryan: Maybe I can make a comeback. I often think I can make a comeback, and then I look in the mirror and go, oh, probably not.

Tommy: Don't fat shame yourself, mate.

Ryan: 25 kilos ago, maybe 30 kilos ago now. I weighed 75 when I played in Malaysia.

Tommy: How old were you?

Ryan: 21.

Tommy: That's youth. We're all different at 21.

Ryan: So we've all put on 28 kilos since then.

Tommy: Let's just look at Seb's and say he's the best he's ever—

Mason: we'll have a look.

Josh: Yeah, it's all downhill from here.

Ryan: Bad luck, mate.

Mason: Slightly annoying.

Ryan: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, well, mate, I know you gotta run. You've got an MBA class.

Ryan: Oh, shit, it's almost— Yeah, well, actually, I have one quick question because I have— I do have an MBA class, and one of the first ones was leadership and leadership styles. Actually, this may be for you guys. Okay. How would you sum up individually Tommy's leadership style and Josh's leadership style? And are they separate or are they the same?

Tommy: Is there— Is there words? Can you give them a few cheat sheet words if you're understanding sort of?

Ryan: Okay, some would be like authoritarian, which is very much I'm the boss, I'll tell you what to do.

Mason: Yeah.

Ryan: Whereas others are kind of, they'll let you learn your own mistakes and kind of guide you. And then the opposite is they just don't give a shit, you know. So there's a bit of a sliding scale.

Tommy: Laissez-faire, whatever.

Ryan: Laissez-faire. Yeah, someone's done year 10 business management. Yeah.

Tommy: Is that really what you say?

Ryan: Like, yeah, I thought it was laissez-faire.

Mason: I don't know.

Ryan: This is why I asked.

Josh: You did business management, not French. Yeah, so what would you describe these guys as?

George: I reckon, okay, so Tommy is more, uh, he's, he's a bit more relaxed, I'd say, and he lets you, uh, go with whatever you, you want and, and, um, whichever way you want to do it. He'll have some advice, but I think he's a bit more like that.

Tommy: Laissez-faire, please.

Mason: TJ is laissez-faire.

Tommy: I like that.

Josh: Laissez-faire and a croissant.

Tommy: And Josh has got, uh, very clear vision about pretty much everything.

Ryan: And he sounds like he's a know-it-all from your description.

George: But he leads in a way that is letting you be very autonomous.

Ryan: Okay.

George: As long as you do what he says.

Mason: Like, yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not authoritative to the full extent, but it's like, here's an overarching direction.

George: Yep.

Mason: And then you figure your way out on how to do that, and then we can come back to it and we can give feedback and we can see how you went.

Jess: All right.

Mason: And then do it my way.

George: Yeah.

Ryan: Next question. And this isn't necessarily a one or the other, it's sort of how they balance in between, right? So, some workplaces are all about the norms, as in like how we interact with each other. That's what's important. And if we get that right, the outcomes will take care of themselves, where other places might be more or all we care about is the outcome, however you get there doesn't matter as long as we end up there. So you can see how there are different ways of—

Josh: yeah, yeah.

Ryan: And no workplace says we're this or that, but it's just the way it works. So what would you say? What's your feel here?

Mason: I think we're pretty outcome-driven. Like, it's not— there's no specificity in how you get there. It's just like, this is, this is what needs to happen, and then figure out the way to do it.

Ryan: Yeah. Does that sound— how do you guys feel here in this?

George: Yeah, I think that's true. It's also about figuring out the right process from the outcome. So you go, we have to get to this outcome, we do it, and then it's then going back and thinking about what the process was, how we can improve it for next time.

Mason: Yeah.

Ryan: What do you guys think?

Mason: How's the next person going to do it?

Ryan: Yeah, to assess yourselves in terms of the, the norms versus the outcome.

Josh: Yeah, definitely outcomes. But that was based on, um, uh, Envato where I used to work, where it was very much because it was flexible working arrangements, you're not getting to see when people are in the office, you don't get any of that. So the main sort of performance measure was outcomes. But the things that we're doing now is we're trying to move to like a lag versus lead scenario where it's— there's a thing called the Four Disciplines of Execution, 4DX, and the things are you have a wildly important goal.

Ryan: Yep.

Josh: You have lead metrics. A lead metric is, say, for weight loss, uh, you want to lose, uh, 10 kilos. That's a lag. That's something that happens after you do something. The lead metric is go for a walk every single day. And so we're trying to break up WIG, uh, leads and lags. That's what our next sort of thing is. So more than outcome, I guess, but, and not at any cost.

Tommy: Which was kind of what you're saying.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, because some places like, fuck, we don't give a shit how you get it, just to get it done, which is the kind of that really old school Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, get the sale kind of vibe.

Josh: But there is something in the lead where you say, okay, um, you need to send 4 emails a day or whatever.

Ryan: So, or say a lot of salespeople have those sort of, if you send out, if you 10 cold call 10 people a day, averages are you will get 2 sales, that kind of vibe.

Josh: And I think that's good. I think that there's certain things that you can you know that if you pull this lever, you get this specific outcome. And I feel like, um, why try and reinvent the wheel and try and guess every single day when if you know you do that, you're going to get the result?

Tommy: Do a podcast every single day and it'll be a success of some sorts, but you'll be tired as fuck.

Ryan: Um, my final question is, who do you reckon's the best Ryan on the podcast this weekend?

Josh: Oh, I mean, you're the first Ryan.

Mason: Yeah, who's the second?

Josh: Tomorrow is Ryan Shelton.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: And on that, we won't answer.

Tommy: Uh, it's Monday.

Ryan: Until Monday. Go, what a shit weekend all round.

Josh: It's a daily talk show. Thank you, Ryan, for coming in. Uh, all right, uh, have a good rest of your weekend. We'll see you tomorrow, guys, with Ryan Shelton.

George: See ya.

Mason: Love ya.