NSFW With Tully Smyth

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 759.

Tommy: It's like it never ends. Tully Smyth still with us and we're doing a bit of a Big Brother deep dive.

Tully: We have to, right? We have to. We can't ignore the elephant in the room, which is that it is back.

Josh: And apparently it is shit.

Tully: I didn't say that. You just put words in my mouth.

George: That's a big call.

Tommy: Well, according to Josh's partner Bree, who I mean, is she on the show?

Tully: Is she on? That does look a little bit like Bree.

Tommy: Oh my God.

Josh: Like there is a photo, like Google Images. How offensive is it?

Tommy: Let's say it's not.

Tully: Also, she's one of the hottest housemates, FYI.

Tommy: No, there's a girl named Casey. Casey. Casey somebody.

Mason: She does look so familiar. Someone mentioned it in the Discord and I'm trying to work out where. Was she on the Bachelor or something?

Tully: No, not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge.

Josh: And so this idea that it is shit, obviously, like where do you think that comes from?

Tully: Look, it's just a different show. I, you know, I'm a big fan of the show. That's why I do auditioned. I think, you know, it's always funny to me when these people audition for these shows, they're like, oh, I actually never watched the show before. Yes, you have.

Josh: You didn't audition for this round though, surely?

Tully: No, of course not. No, unless it's an All-Stars, Josh.

Tommy: If you're listening for the first time, Tully was on one of the original seasons of Big Brother. What year?

Tully: What year? 200— uh, 200— 2013. So, um, season 10.

Tommy: Season 10. That's a good number.

Josh: Yeah, there's only a few people I feel like people remember from Big Brother Sarah Marie with the hot dogs.

Tommy: Yeah, Galen.

Josh: Galen.

Mason: Galen.

Josh: Hot Dogs works, I believe, at Nova as a newsreader.

Tommy: Yeah.

Tully: No, Hot Dogs. No, that's Michael Brick, who was a turkey slapping boy.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Tully: He's at Nova.

Tommy: I think people go hot dog because they think turkey slapping. You use a hot dog to turkey slap.

Tully: Can you just for one second imagine turkey slapping today?

Tommy: Oh my God.

Tully: And the outcry.

Tommy: I was thinking this exact same thing the other day.

Mason: Like even the up late stuff. Imagine if that was on now.

Tully: Well, I, I purposely—

Mason: all over the internet in a second.

Tully: I purposely— I knew going in because— so basically what happened was, so Channel 10 had it for like 10 years, ran it to the ground. They had like uplate, they had the nude showers, they had the dinner dancing, all that stuff. Then Channel 9 bought it back after a short hiatus, and then I watched one season of Channel 9's version of it. There was no uplate, it was very much a family— they wanted to— they're really pushing the sort of family-friendly version of it, like it's a family show, family, family, family. Saw that they had no fun bits allowed. And so I was like, you know what? I wouldn't have done it if it was the old show, knowing that me showering nude. Yeah, nah, I only did it knowing that there was no uplay, no uncut, no nothing like that.

Tommy: Well, Tully, as your lawyer, like what?

Tully: You're not my lawyer, Tully.

Tommy: I like to look over your contracts. And I didn't get in 2013, we weren't mates. What did you get given as a, how old were you then?

Tully: 25.

Tommy: So 25-year-old, you were in PR then?

Tully: No, advertising.

Tommy: Advertising at Dior.

Tully: ADB Sydney.

Tommy: Yeah, but like well out of the influencer— there was no such thing as the influencer world then. And a talent sort of talent agency style. What did you get given before you went in?

Tully: Like what was it? You know what? It was a lot of stuff like it was mainly to do with the actual show and making the show be a success. So we couldn't tell anyone around us that we were going on the show. We couldn't— we could tell like a select handful of people. We couldn't tell. Basically they were just threatening, you know, if your name gets out, if it gets leaked that you're going on the show, we'll just drop you.

Josh: Tommy's talking about cash though. How much did you make?

Tommy: Oh no, I didn't. I wasn't even thinking that.

Mason: Oh really?

Tommy: I mean, good question though. I fucking love a guy that asks that kind of stuff.

Tully: Josh just has a glass of Prosecco just up here the entire time. Pretty soon he'll be pointing with it. It's very sweet.

George: It's very sweet.

Tully: No, it's not. You don't know anything about alcohol. Like, what are you even talking about?

George: It's so sweet.

Tully: It's not a Moscato, babe.

George: It's very fruity.

Josh: Like your bio, baby. And so what's like, what is the deal? Was everyone getting paid the same?

Tully: Yeah, we get two. $500 a week. It's nothing.

Tommy: It was covering costs.

Tully: It was covered. The idea is the way they pitch it, it's competition. I never saw it like that, but it is. You're in there vying for a quarter of a million dollars and they just want to make sure that when you leave, you come out even. They don't want you to come out, you know, in the red and they want you to come out with a surplus.

Josh: It's like JobSeeker.

Tully: JobKeeper. You know what, that was enough. That was just enough money for me. But we had people in there that had kids. They had 3 kids and a house and a mortgage. There was no way they would have been breaking even.

Mason: Yeah.

Tully: No way.

Tommy: What evidence did they, what did they ask for your tax returns? They asked for your bank statements?

Tully: No, it was a blanket amount for everybody.

Tommy: It's a handshake. It's like, mate, this will keep you going, right?

Tully: No, we had to sign a contract. And there was a copy of the contract. I never forget, there's a copy of the contract in the house in like a plastic folder. And if we were ever kind of veering towards breaking said rules, and it was mainly stuff like—

Tommy: It's like an Airbnb. They've got like the rules.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: It's all laminated.

Tully: There were other rules like we couldn't talk about the audition process once in the house. Yeah, we couldn't acknowledge the cameraman or cameras. We couldn't break the fourth wall. So if we heard— because you could hear them, like, they're just here. You can hear them murmuring. No, just murmuring. They'd be like, 'Hm, everybody wants lunch.' So I once got drunk and got topless. Again, I know it's very out of character for me, but, you know, Titsat Tully was around, and I could hear all the boys laughing behind the mirrors. But we're not allowed to acknowledge that and break the fourth wall. So we would call them the possums in the roof. Like, 'Does anyone else hear those Possums? And someone else is like, yeah, I hear the possum.

Tommy: That's great.

Tully: Possums, you know, Greg behind me just like snorting into his camera.

Josh: Yeah, definitely Greg.

George: Greg.

Josh: I feel like when I watched a tour of the new house, there are cameras in the toilet.

Tully: Always. The best stuff happens in the toilet. You are upset. The only place you have in that house for privacy with a lock is the toilet. That's the only place you can go to by yourself and lock a door. Everyone else in that house, it's free for all.

Josh: But you've got a hang up about like shitting. So was that a big issue?

Tully: Do you know what? Funnily enough, so the first couple of days in there, the first couple of nights.

Tommy: I shit better than Emma.

Josh: You don't.

Tommy: You don't.

Tully: You guys laugh it out and let me know when you're finished.

Tommy: Now we're done.

Tully: No, actually it was an actual problem, Josh. So the first couple of days in the house, I actually weirdly had no issue with it. I'm a bit of an exhibitionist. I didn't get off on someone watching me, but I didn't care about it. But most people found it really disconcerting having a— 'cause it had a flashing red light, right? You're sitting there and it's this far, it's as far as that camera is from me, and it's just flashing like recording at you the entire time. And like girls had their periods in there, guys were trying to jerk off in the toilets. There was a lot happening in the toilets.

Tommy: Greg, hey, look at this, mate.

Josh: Fucking, look at this. And so were they allowed to use that footage?

Tully: No, so the idea was that obviously, as I said, like most of the fun stuff happens in the toilets. You're upset, you go to the toilets. You want to have a little bitch with someone, you go to the toilets. Um, you're drunk and you want— you need to spew, toilets. A lot of fun juicy stuff happens in the bathroom, so they can't not have that covered. But we were told that unless it was something like that, like we were having a secret chat or a whispering session, if it was just us using the toilet, it wouldn't go to air. But you still know that there is a guy whose job it is to watch that camera in the control room. Yeah, you know, that's just the fact. I wonder how many perverts I had a few reach out to me after the show that kind of freaked me out.

Tommy: Hey, it's Greg here. I worked on the show.

Josh: Seriously?

Tommy: You call me possum, but really endearing.

Tully: You're joking. But I had this guy message me and say, hey, Tali, you know me, we've never met, but I was actually a camera guy during your time on the show. And I just really feel like I followed your journey and I've seen you grow into a beautiful woman. And I'm like, what you followed is me taking a shit.

Tommy: Filthy prick, Greg. Jesus. And so give us an idea of the— because I haven't watched it yet— Big Brother 2020 versus 2013. What, what, what is this show and what was the last, like?

Tully: So I think, I mean, I'm a Big Brother loyalist and I've watched it since its inception. And at the crux of what the show's about, it's about, you know, the voyeuristic, you know, watching these people live their lives. The, the show is about watching us get up, wash, you know, brush our teeth, have a shower, slowly make breakfast, start chatting about our day. That's what the show was about. They they thought that, you know, audiences have changed, um, and they kind of took a leaf out of Big Brother Canada and Big Brother US's book, which is more like a Survivor-esque show. So it's a lot more, um, strategy-based. You know, we kind of— there was an unspoken kind of rule with my series where it's like, we're all in here for the experience, no one's really in here for the money. That's how I felt. I now have learned that I was a dumb dumb and actually people were playing with strategy, and it was just me.

Josh: Who won that series?

Tully: Tim Dormer. Okay, yeah, arguably one of the best players we've ever seen. He won our series, went on to be an intruder in the series after us, and then went on to be an intruder in Big Brother Canada. So he's, he's an amazing Big Brother player.

Josh: He's the curly head guy.

Tully: Curly head guy, yeah. He bought a crocodile with his earnings.

Josh: Did he?

Tully: Yeah, he did. He's a big fan of the Irwins and he bought it. He sponsored a crocodile with his earnings.

Mason: Wow.

Tully: Um, so my thing is I find it really hard as a, as an original fan of the show.

Josh: What did he do with the crocodile?

Tommy: Did he get to have it? He actually have— he just, he sponsors He's sponsoring a goat.

Tully: Like you buy a goat through UNICEF for Christmas.

Tommy: Yeah, I had a goat once.

Josh: I'm sure.

Tommy: Yeah, through UNICEF.

Josh: And so anyway, sorry.

Tully: So yeah, it's just a different show. First of all, we have these challenges, these physical challenges, which we've never had before. And we're getting a challenge a night. We're also getting an eviction a night, which to me makes no sense because if we're losing a housemate a night, we're not investing our time into anyone. Like if we're not getting enough, the first episode we had a challenge and then an eviction in the first ep. Like, I didn't even know half their names. Like, I didn't care about them enough because we hadn't been given enough time to get to know these people. So to me, that's really bizarre. It's really, it's really weird watching them strategize out loud and discuss nominations together because that was never— like, I got a warning. So basically you get 3 warnings and the third one you're kicked out of the house. We weren't allowed to discuss nominations. It was against the rules. And I was apparently once alluding to who I'd nominated for unknowingly, in my opinion. And I got a strike. So to watch them walk around and be like, you and me together. Yeah, let's go for Joel. It was, it's, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh my God. Like, this is so weird.

Josh: So this is in the new series?

Tully: This is the new series.

Mason: That's what I noticed too. It's like, it is a shit Survivor. Cause like Survivor is great. I love Survivor. They're always strategizing, doing all these things. And even the challenges in Big Brother are like pretty lame.

Tommy: It's Survivor set at IKEA. Yeah, exactly.

George: Not dangerous at all.

Tully: And you know what else? And this is something that they just can't afford. And I think that this is something that was so beautiful about our series of Big Brother, um, is that we were so young and naive and innocent. Like, Instagram wasn't a thing, influencers weren't a thing, you know, it was still such early days. And we all went in there just really being starry-eyed, being like, you know what, we're just so grateful to be here and we're just so grateful for the opportunity. Um, you know, most of us were either in there for the experience or in there to win the money. Whereas these days you just see, like, they think they have it all figured out, they're in there to become influencers, like I don't know, that innocence is no longer— it's impossible to cast a new reality TV show that have that sort of pure naivety that we had because it just doesn't happen because we know what happens. You go on a show, you get a following, you become an influencer at the end.

Tommy: It's a weird one because there's an understanding of the potential outside of winning any cash.

Tully: Oh, they're being so— like, I was so candid. You can tell they're all like, we're on TV. This might lead to a career. I'm going to watch what I say. I'm going to bite my tongue. Whereas I was just like, oh man, like It's just such a different world.

Tommy: I mean, who's the first that's going to have an OnlyFans account from this year's Big Brother?

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: Well, I mean, I don't want to point.

Josh: I was going to ask around like sex. What's the rule of sex in the house?

Tully: So there are condoms available in the diary room, but you have to go into the diary room and request one. You can't, they're not just sitting there in a bowl.

Tommy: Greg's got a fucking pad and pen. Tully took 3.

Tully: So, but no, but it also means that if you're going in there to ask for a condom, they then get the opportunity to say, yeah. So basically, when we were hungover, we'd go in there and ask for Panadol because they have all our medicine. They sort of mind our medicine for us, which was difficult for people that were on antidepressants. You had to go in there every day and ask your brother for your meds, but it was so that they could, like, you know, they have to keep an eye on that kind of stuff. But with a condom, right, so if we were hungover, we'd go in there, we'd be like, oh, hi, brother. And the lights, it'd be like this, you'd be like, hi, um, 'Could I just get like 2 Panadol, please?' And he'd be like, 'Sure.' And they'd be like, 'So how was your night?' And like, before they gave you the meds, they'd make you give them a review on the night before, and then they'd use that footage to storytell from the night before, right? So you can imagine going in there and being like, middle of the night, and be like, 'Hey, can I have a condom?' To be like, 'Tully, sit down. Like, who's the condom for?' They're just like— they'd milk the story. I mean, I never asked for a condom.

Josh: It's all for content, really.

Tully: Yeah, they would completely use that for, for content. But yeah, you're allowed to have sex in the house. People had sex in my series. I'm not sure about this series. I do know that a couple— there's two people that get together romantically in the show.

Tommy: Hang on, so it's already filmed? It's already completed? So 2013, you were living—

Mason: well, that's what you want to say.

Tommy: You want to say—

Tully: so you'd see The Daily Show every night, would be the 24 hours before, which I think is— that's what the show's about.

Mason: That's what's great about Love Island as well. It's like the same thing. You're watching, you're like, I wonder what they're up to.

Josh: So why are you a loyalist?

Tully: Why do you give a shit whether you're I've just watched the show since, you know, since its inception. I think it's one of the original— it's really one of the sort of original reality TV concepts. Started off in, um, in Germany, I think, um, and it's, it's still a massive format across the globe in different ways and variations. And I just really feel like, especially, you know, the network said that they think that the viewers now need something different and new and exciting. I actually disagree. I think that especially after COVID, I think that we would have really loved a really, um, true honest Big Brother where we're just watching people hang out in a house, make breakfast, go for a swim, becoming friends, becoming lovers, whatever it is. I think we would have really loved that sort of pure format that the show used to be in.

Josh: So have they butchered it?

Tully: Absolutely.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tully: Even the fact that— okay, so I've heard that— so I was in there for 10 weeks and I was not by any means the last person evicted. I've heard the whole thing only went for 7 weeks. And so we're only going to get 3 weeks of the series because they're squeezing in 3 days per episode. We're going to be done in 3 weeks.

Josh: Well, I know Happy Harry, a guy who regularly comes onto the show, he talks about in the forum.

Tully: I can't forget Scooter because he's the world's biggest Big Brother fan.

Tommy: I wonder if he was up in 2013, if he was up in Queensland. He would have been. He went with his mates.

Tully: He's probably some secret Victorian Big Brother fan. I'm just on Big bigbrother.fandom.com/wiki/tullysmart.

Tommy: And in here it's got the showdown history. So it was week 1, week 2, week 3. Yeah. So you won the very first. Get a grip. What was that?

Tully: So I, so these, so this new series, they have a challenge every episode, which is like a Ninja Warrior meets Survivor challenge. Don't ask me why. We had one every Friday. So once a week rather than one every episode. Yeah. But they called it something different every year. And so it would be a mixture of sort of brain puzzles, physical activity. It would be mixed. So everyone had a chance, right? It wasn't just for the strong boys or just for the smart, you know, I don't wanna say smart girls, smart boys or girls. And yeah, I randomly won one, one week and I got $5,000 cash.

Josh: What did you do? As in like, how did you, like, what was the competition?

Tommy: So what did you do? Chase up the invoice? Did you have to call?

Tully: I got the cash. I got the cash, trust me, I know exactly where it went. Um, so there was a spelling challenge, so we had a bunch of, um, scrambled up words we had to put into right order to guess the order and spell it correctly. And the last one, which is what they called it probably, we had to hold on to a pole for the longest.

Josh: And did you win that?

Tommy: Hang in there, hang in there.

Josh: How long do you go?

Tully: There wasn't a timer, but I saw who I was up against, right? So I had a guy who was an ex-football player, very, very fit guy, a guy who was ex-Army, very, very fit guy. And then one of the strongest girls in the house, she was just very, very muscly strong. And I looked at them when we first lined up and I was like, there's no way, I don't have it in me, I don't— this is not— I'm going to compete against these guys. And then they're like, okay, you know, hold on to the pole, start. And apparently, according to other housemates, everyone else's hands were like this on the pole, but apparently my weird little sloth hands were like this, like I had a full-on grip. But also, end of the day, I've got less weight to hold. So the heavy boys, they were holding on, they were holding up more weight.

Josh: Sure.

Tully: So yeah, I randomly came through and I, and I won it and I won $5,000.

Tommy: It's good.

Tully: I also want a nomination power. That was the other reward. So you get cash prize plus you also get a nomination power. So you get to have power. It's always different every week. It can be, it changes every week. But basically with nominations, I get to have like, yeah, the sort of the foot up with that week's nominations. And I think from memory, I saved my boyfriend. I saved my ex-boyfriend Drew that week. I think he was going to be up, and my ability was to like take points away from someone and put them somewhere else. And I like, I saved him that week.

Tommy: How— what does trust look like in a house?

Tully: Like, with people you don't know, everyone— see, the thing about Survivor really stresses me out because I look at that and I'm like, I just— the thought of the fact that everyone was trying to fuck me over and I couldn't trust anyone, that would eat away at my— that would play on my anxiety. Like, if you're an anxious person, you already think the world's out to get you. You already are convinced that you're gonna die and that everyone hates you. As an anxious person, you already think that. So to have people, you know, be in this competition and be going up against you, I would just be like, you hate me, everyone hates me, I don't trust anyone. It would really fuck with my head. So I think that had I been more aware of the game people were playing in my series, it would have really done me a disservice. But I was naive, and I was just— I was like, we're all friends, like, we're best friends, you said you love me, I love you, we're sweet, no one's gonna vote me out. To hear. I haven't watched the show back because I just can't do it to myself. But what I've heard is the main reason people were using to vote for me was that I was embarking in a relationship when I was already in one. So I'm kind of glad that it wasn't like, Tully stinks, or like, Tully's the worst to live with. I'm glad it was like, Tully's making a terrible life decision. Like, at least I can, you know, I'm fair enough. I was making a bad life decision.

Josh: Have you ever nearly gone on another reality show?

Tully: I have.

George: Oh, what one?

Tully: Um, I've been asked if I would apply for— well, if I would be keen for I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. Um, and I absolutely would, still would, hands down would do that show. Um, I, I would be great TV because I'm terrified of everything. Like, they'd be like, line this coffin with— I hate snakes. It'd be like, here are some snakes. Like, this is going to be great television for you. Um, but I was keen for that because at the end of the day, it's raising money for a charity of your choice, and obviously I'm, I'm very you know, close with Dementia Australia, and it would be a great opportunity to raise awareness and funds for Dementia Australia. Plus, I think it would give people an insight into who I am, who I actually am, like the person that you guys know, rather than this person that everyone thinks I am based on a show I did 7 years ago where they saw 4 minutes of me every night.

Josh: So when you're like, I've had friends who have been interviewed by producers, have you gotten to sort of that stage with having conversations?

Tully: So I had a producer email and say, are you keen for this? Would you do this? And I said I would. Here's my manager. And then they went back and forth. Um, but end of the day they can only really ever have like one reality TV reject. So if I'm not the most relevant— or well, I think they do like a mass send out and then see who's said yes, and then from there they sort of cherry-pick who they want. And if there's someone that's on a show from last year versus a show from 7 years ago, they're gonna get picked. I would love to be The Bachelorette! Love, love, love, love, love it! To be The Bachelor? I would not— I'm going up against 23 other girls. But how, how honestly, how good would I be at the Bachelor?

Josh: Yeah, you'd be very good.

Tully: I would be amazing television.

Josh: You would destroy—

Tully: I would destroy everybody.

Josh: Yeah, you would just destroy a lot of lives.

Tully: There's even, there's even been gags about me doing like a tequila shot at love and having like 10 boys, 10 girls.

Josh: Oh yeah. Well, have you seen the, the show I saw on news.com.au? There was an article around, uh, impregnating a woman.

Tully: Like, I saw that and I thought, you know what, I'm 5 minutes away from that.

Josh: Your joke was funny, Josh. Well, because yeah, the The way that it was sort of pitched, it was like that there was going to be 15 men that were going to— Vi— ejaculate into a person and then they work out who—

Tully: Wait, what? That's the show?

Tommy: Well, that's right.

Josh: It's the way it was sold.

Tommy: It's like 15 guys, 15 guys, who's going to impregnate the woman.

Tully: It's just The Bachelor, but The Bachelorette, but like the winner is going to give her a baby rather than just a shitty ring that looks like a Cheezle.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tully: Isn't that it?

Josh: Well, yeah, but the way that it was pitched was that they were all having sex.

Tully: Let's all just like jerk off into her and see whose sperms are strongest. Yes. Yep, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I would. I was asked to do, um, Farmer Wants a Wife. I mean, come on guys, would I?

Tommy: What about MAFS? What's that?

Tully: I was asked to do MAFS. I've been asked to do Love Island.

Tommy: Well, that— I mean, MAFS seems to be the one that was huge in the last couple Yeah, but also like what's the success rate?

Tully: It's not very high.

Tommy: Well, what is success now on television? Like I was listening to something this morning, an ABC show probably 15 years ago got, it was like poor ratings at 1.4 million. Now you're lucky to get fucking 200,000. Our podcast almost gets more per month.

Tully: A million is the golden number. So I think that if you get a million, then that's considered a success. But I feel like I would, I don't, this is the thing. And this is what I've said before to producers. It's like, A lot of people do these shows because they want to come out with what I already have, right? So they, they want to go on these shows predominantly to come out with an Instagram following, invites to fun parties, movie premieres, events, free clothes, freebies. That's what they're going in there for. Interestingly, what I think makes me interesting in Canada is that I don't already have that, right? So if I'm applying for The Bachelorette, it's because I actually want to find love. Like, I'm truly there for what the show's about. I'm not there to get Instagram famous. I'm already Instagram famous. I think that's why Sophie Monk really— I thought she was an interesting pick for The Bachelorette because I was like, she's already famous. So she's honestly, she's obviously honestly on there to try and maybe meet someone.

Tommy: She's got— she's famous and she's got cash. And so that's not the point.

Tully: Like, you know, with, with all these shows, like, I don't want what most of these girls— like, if you go to the Love Island auditions, I'm telling you now that 99.9% of the girls that are in that room auditioning are there to become what I already am. They want to be famous on Instagram. They want freebies. They want to go to the parties. They don't think they're actually going to find anyone. They're like, you know what, what would be good though is like following a job doing that. Whereas it's like, I've already got all of that. So if I'm applying for a show, if I'm going to put my hand up for something like The Bachelorette, it's like, I legit just hope that I might meet someone nice because I don't need anything else that comes with this shit. I already have it. And I think that makes me a really interesting candidate.

Josh: Definitely. I mean, what's your perception of influencers and being perceived as an influencer?

Tully: You know, you know that, you know that already. You know, I hate it. I don't like the word influencer. I think it doesn't quite fairly describe everything that we do. I don't think, I think it's belittling. I think it comes with a negative connotation. I think that it's frowned upon by many people. I certainly, you know, even on dating apps, when people ask what I do, I start off with, I'm a journalist, because that's what I am technically. I say I'm a journalist. I'm a podcaster.

Mason: I'm a lawyer.

Tully: You're not a lawyer.

Tommy: Tom's my lawyer.

Tully: He's in trouble. He's in trouble. Thomas.

George: Tom Jackett.

Josh: Tom Jackett Lawyers. You definitely have a billboard in Los Angeles.

Tully: Why suddenly do you want to be a lawyer? My lawyer specifically so badly?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: It's the Prosecco talking.

Tully: Do you have any background in that whatsoever apart from watching like Law Order or like Criminal Minds?

Tommy: Absolutely not.

Tully: No, no, no. You do have the gift of the gab. Do I? I would You could sell ice to Eskimos.

Tommy: Could I?

George: I reckon you could definitely get out of a clause. I smile a lot. Yeah, you'd—

Tully: You're unassumingly charming. Like, you don't— No one's going to see you and think, he's going to fuck me over.

Josh: Am I unassumingly charming?

Tully: You're just unassuming in general. If Tommy's unassumingly charming, you're just unassuming.

Josh: I'll take that.

Tully: With a shit hat.

Josh: So I'm wearing a skunk hat.

Tully: You don't like this one? I just don't. I didn't realise that it was like a two-for-one deal here. Like, what's going on?

Mason: I think you got about 8 of them.

George: Do you have something else that you could put on? Could you take it off?

Josh: I could put a beanie on. I like this.

Tully: No, it's great. Let's rock it. I just don't— a skunk again has such negative connotations. And I don't know why you'd knowingly and like you chose to put a skunk on your head. In my head, it just means you've got a stinky butt.

Josh: No, I don't have— I think you brought up the butt chat. Do you remember the real men eat ass stuff?

Tully: I stand by real men eat ass. Real men wear pink and real men eat ass. And I've been coaching Mason on eating ass. I think he needs to just do it. We were both— George and I were both saying that he needs to just bite the bullet.

Josh: George has a stitcher.

Mason: I was in the room.

Tully: Hang on, this is a stitcher but a hard stitcher.

Tommy: We need to sort of settle some bad blood between George and Tully, because Tully was not vibing you, George. And I think it was the vibe you were giving off to her.

Josh: Mustache.

Tommy: What's happened?

Tully: I'm just used to being liked pretty instantaneously, and like George was giving me donuts, and I don't like not being liked.

Tommy: Should we break it to Tully that you're the guy that was filming? You're Greg. Yeah, you're Greg. You're the toxic Australian.

Josh: No, there's definitely pushback. What's the pushback, George?

Tully: I think it's playing hard to get, which is maybe why I'm in, like, I'm kind of like, oh, what do I have to do to like, do you want to see my tits? Like, I'm going to have to get them out.

Tommy: George?

Mason: There's no pushback.

Tully: There is definitely pushback.

George: Honestly. No, there is.

Mason: You said, who do you like more, me or Grace? And as if I'm not going to say Grace. I've had more.

Tommy: I said Tully.

Mason: Yeah, but you've met Tully for like much more than I have. I've known Tully for an hour. I've talked to Grace a lot.

Tully: That's a fair comment. Totally.

Tommy: So he's, um, he's an honourable friend.

Mason: How's that? You— that's fair. You gotta respect that.

Tully: Absolutely. He's dead to me.

Josh: And so the real men eat ass thing, how common do you think it actually is? And is it a— is it—

Tully: we were trying to explain to Seb how, like, it— because in Seb's mind it only happens if you're, like, giving a rim job, and we're like, no, you can be going down on someone and just slide into the asshole.

Josh: Sure. And so you think there's a distinction between a rim job and eating ass?

Tully: Yes. Wait, no, rim job is eating ass.

Josh: That's what I mean. But so, but you think it doesn't have to be anal?

Tully: It doesn't have to be just anal?

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: Why every episode?

Josh: Oh, I know.

Tommy: Every story. You say the F word.

George: This was JJ.

Tully: This was not me. Thank you, Mase. This was not me.

George: No, you brought the eating ass bit up.

Tully: Shut—

Josh: Yeah, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's defending you.

Tully: Yeah, good. As you should.

Josh: So, no, I think that because it was such a big trip of like, he was fucking running around Los Angeles saying real men do that.

Tully: I think, I think, as he should. You know what, if honestly, hand on heart, you can see that, hand on heart, if Mase takes nothing away from our time together. Wait, that sounds— Hang on a minute. That's not what I meant. That's not what I meant. If Mase— Wait, that sounds like— If Mase takes nothing away from our friendship my guidance as his elder. If it's only that he takes away and he walks away and he's repeating himself, real men eat ass, real men eat ass, then I've done my job.

Josh: Why do you think, like, is it a broader piece, do you think? So if you take out the eating of the ass, do you think it's a, it's a, it's a, there's a level of exploration that's going on?

Tully: Yeah, it's also about, um, you know, him, him being, him being more, um, generous, more generous. And giving to his partner. Yeah, I just think that, yeah, I just think that it just takes a, I don't know, something about just like guys that are just not fussed about that. I think it's so sexy. And so, but he is fussed about it. So we've got some work to do.

Josh: No, I get it. I mean, you're as a fruity guy.

Tully: If he was really fruity, he wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

Josh: And so any tips if people are listening and they're experiencing their first sexual experience or they're getting into a relationship, How do you enter into all of this in, in 2020? What's the, uh, do you have any tips for a young person as a lawyer? Um, we want the, we want the Tully answer. What do you think? What do you, what is sexual experiences for the first time?

Tully: I think that, you know, a lot of guys, especially a lot of guys, are all like, oh no, like, no one near my asshole. It's like, you don't really mean that. Like, most guys like a finger up there at the very least. Put your hand up.

Josh: No, I think JJ's got a little pushback. I'm happy to put a finger in, but, um, but getting a finger in the ass to me is sketchy.

Tully: Wait, what do you say? Sorry, what do you say, JJ?

Josh: Oh, I like— I'm all—

Tully: you're okay with a finger?

Josh: No, I'm all for putting a finger in. Yeah, yes, you're putting your finger in, not my ass.

Tully: Someone else's ass?

Josh: Yes.

Tully: So you don't like a finger up your ass?

Josh: No.

Tully: Have you tried it? No, well, then you don't know what you haven't tried, right?

Josh: Yeah, it's true.

Tully: I thought I didn't like mushrooms.

Josh: I see myself as like a liberal guy.

Tully: I do like mushrooms.

Josh: Just open to stuff.

Tully: Well, you're not obviously that open at all. That's like really basic stuff that you have not been open to. Poor Bree.

Josh: No, you got a good point.

Tully: Just give it a go. Get fucked up one night and be like, just stick one up there, see what happens.

Josh: And so what's that adding to Bree? So the finger in her asshole is very different to a finger in my asshole.

Tully: Hang on, but if you think that she enjoys that, that. So why wouldn't you enjoy it? In the same vein. Yeah, let's be—

Josh: George, what do you think?

Tully: You're the one who's talking about eating ass before. We were both schooling, we were both schooling Seb's.

Josh: And so what does George know about eating?

Tully: George knows more than you, clearly.

Josh: Now what does he know? Clearly there's a difference between fingers and—

Tully: uh, hey, go on, George.

Josh: Do you know, George?

Mason: My mum listens to this show.

Josh: No, that's fine. There's nothing your mum doesn't know. What do you— Well, she made your asshole, you idiot.

Tully: Oh, that's a weird comment.

Mason: Seb thinks it's a bit more full-on than it actually is.

Tully: Thank you. That's what we're saying.

George: Yeah.

Tully: I think in Seb's mind, he's like, oh, you know, anal's a lot. Therefore, it's like, it doesn't— It can easily go from there to there very quickly.

Josh: I think that eating ass is probably more common than anal.

Tully: Yeah. That's what we're saying there.

George: I think it was the other way around.

Tully: Yeah. See, that was our brain.

George: I thought it'd be switched around. I thought it'd be the other way.

Tommy: Well, anal is like, there's a little a lot of, uh, it says grew up on Pornhub.

Tully: Lots of anal there.

Tommy: That's the problem. That's why he thinks it.

Tully: Yeah, yeah, right. Okay, so we were trying to say that like you don't have like— it's not like ass play has to be like the one session and we just do everything in this one session. It's very easy, as I'm sure—

Tommy: I'm pretty premeditated. Ass play is not— I don't know, I haven't had premeditated ass play. It's just sort of been— yeah, it's just all of a sudden I've got a finger up But even that's like, you don't need it. I'm like, this is pretty good.

Josh: But isn't that the same with, say, like, go on, JJ.

Tommy: What is there, mate?

George: You idiot.

Tully: No, I go on.

Josh: Things like sitting on faces or stuff like that.

Tully: Sitting on faces. I've never wanted to not sit on a face more in my entire life than you saying sitting on faces like that.

Josh: I think that, that like 69 69 sitting on faces, those things generally don't happen as the first thing.

Tully: It's not every time. This is the thing, so when people find out that I used to date girls, their first thing is like, oh, like, did you guys scissor? And I'm like, okay, so yes, scissoring's a thing, lesbians scissor, but like, you scissor as often as you would 69. And like, how often do you guys 69? Like, literally never.

Tommy: Yeah.

Tully: Then when you first start dating or you first start sleeping together, you might do a couple. You guys 69 regularly?

Josh: Nah, I mean, I mean I know, but I think it's something that—

Tully: No, please tell us everything.

Josh: But do you think that's a no?

George: Spice it up.

Josh: I think that's an admirable— like, if there are people who are 69ing all the time, good on them.

Tully: It's not a regular— like, if you're in a long-term relationship, why do you think that is? You're not 69ing every Wednesday, are you? Like, you just know.

Tommy: I know what you mean.

Tully: You're just not. First of all, it's a lot of admin, you know, like it's a lot of propping yourself up at odd places.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: You're wondering what's happening back there. You're trying to focus on what's happening down here. It's a lot. To mentally do that.

Tommy: It makes more sense for a guy to be on the bottom in a 69. For a girl and a girl.

Josh: Hang on, how does the other way go? I've never done a 69 being on top.

Tommy: But I'm just saying, I didn't know there was a rule, bro.

Josh: I thought that was just face fucking at that point.

Tommy: Well, I'm just— some people might like that. All I'm saying is for somebody who is being in a girl-on-girl relationship, lesbian relationship, What is the, who's going where? Who decides?

Tully: It doesn't really matter. You know what I had though? A little bit of a hack for everybody. If you're 69 on the side, so usually everyone's about this, right? If you do on the side, it's just like real, it's like spoonie sex, but like not much more chilled.

Tommy: Oh my God.

Tully: That's fucking genius.

Tommy: I hadn't even thought about that.

Tully: Then you're both lying down. No one's having to prop themselves up and you're both comfy while still doing what you're doing the other way around.

Josh: What do you reckon if you were to do a survey, what's the most common common, uh, sexual activity for a first date?

Tully: Fingering. I hate that word so much.

Mason: Finger banging?

Tully: Finger blasting?

George: I had hump day replay this week.

Tully: Finger blast? What do you guys call it? What do you guys call it?

Tommy: Fingering.

Josh: Yeah, and so fingering—

Tully: finger blasting is like you've got superpowers coming out of your fingers, and trust me, most of you guys are really bad at it.

Josh: But also, don't you think that fingering— when I was—

Tully: I love a bit of fingering.

Josh: But I also think like being younger, fingering fingering was very much about putting the fingers fully in the whole hand. I feel like being younger, fisting porn was a thing.

Tully: Wow.

Josh: Where did fisting go?

Tully: Well, as an ex-lesbian, or as someone who's dated girls, it's— fisting was a big— is a big thing.

George: That's definitely not a TDT quote.

Josh: Where did fisting go?

Tully: My friends went to a— my lesbian friends went to a fisting, um, like workshop Really? Apparently you have to. I don't know much about fisting, but apparently you have to go in like this before you can get—

Josh: like slicing an onion.

Tully: I've got a big hand.

Josh: Gordon Ramsay, like, you put your 3 fingers, protect them.

Tully: Yeah, once you're in, you go like—

Josh: and so the—

Tully: that sound effect was far too accurate.

Josh: So is fisting big in the language?

Tully: I've never fisted someone. So sorry, Dad. Nor have I been. You know what, no one has to hear that.

Josh: I—

Tully: look, apparently, yeah, I'm not aware. I wasn't a fan of it. It, but people are. I guess when you're a lesbian, you're trying to think of any way you can fuck differently.

Tommy: Just get more value.

Tully: Just get bang for your buck.

Josh: Yeah. And so, because I feel like when I was younger, it was very much about sort of the—

Tully: Have you ever fisted someone, JJ?

Josh: Never. But I feel like— where did it go? Yeah, where did fisting go? No, but that was a thing. It was the amount of fisting porn.

Tully: You're not doing a lot of shit that's fun, trust me.

Tommy: It's still out there on the internet, mate. Just type it. Anything you think about, anything you think about—

Tully: just because you're not doing it, JJ, doesn't mean it's not That's not happening in Suburbs.

Tommy: But it's happening in—

Josh: Telly Smythe isn't fisting like that.

Tommy: She's not a porn star, dude. It's happening over in the Valley in California.

Josh: You reckon it's a Californian thing?

Tommy: No, I'm just saying it's porn. There's a lot of porn made. There's a lot of porn made in the Valley in California.

Josh: But so do you think that fisting— there's a big fisting thing outside of porn?

Tommy: Absolutely, dude.

Tully: For sure. There'd be people that are primarily only into fisting.

Josh: And so do you think—

Tommy: I think the bigger question here is how do you land? So before you've even had sex, you don't know if you have a quirk, a kink, sorry. How do you land on a kink? Because getting fisted is a kink.

Tully: Is the bottle left here on purpose? You can have it.

Tommy: It's fine.

Mason: You can have it.

Tully: Did you guys leave this here on purpose?

Tommy: I mean, how do you end up, how do you land on a kink? Like, I mean, you gotta try, right?

Tully: I'm not going to talk about, I mean, I probably should talk about it.

Josh: What is the kink?

Tully: No, you're right. How do you figure out you've got a kink? I guess you do something once.

Tommy: Can I just tell you?

Tully: Please tell me.

Tommy: I know somebody who who loves to sniff Amal as they're coming.

Tully: Are they gay?

Josh: No.

Tully: Because Amal's very— I love Amal.

Tommy: They're not.

Josh: So what's Amal again?

George: This is the thing that you— Is this the thing that you talked about a while ago?

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: Amal's great. Do you guys know what Amal is?

George: It's meant to make it more—

Josh: Is it too much to have Amal on your first sexual experience?

Tully: Don't you dare.

Tommy: But then how do you— So my point with the Amal thing is the person that I know that does this I'm just like, how do you land on it? Yeah, how do you land on it?

Tully: You obviously, you've done it once and you go, this is fucking amazing, I'm not doing it without it ever again.

Tommy: Yeah, I can imagine the person that you wouldn't know what anal is here.

Josh: No, and I don't, I don't think I want to be someone who's like, don't be judgy, JJ, or just decide like having in the bedside table.

Tully: No, for sure, it's definitely used in the gay community because it relaxes your muscles completely, so it also relaxes So you get a boner?

Mason: Is that what you use it for? Um, people use it as a drug as well.

George: So you, Josh, you had magnesium and you had it?

Tommy: No, it's not.

Josh: No, so it's because the thing is that was nitrate.

George: Yeah, that's interesting. You get an erection if you get— you have an erection if you take it.

Tully: Um, you take a sniff of it and you go, you go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and for like 5 seconds you can't see anything. Your whole world is like running around.

Mason: Let me tell you about what it may have something like It's like pipe cleaner.

Tommy: What is it? Ammonium nitrate. Ammonium nitrate is depressant, which means it slows down the messages travelling between the brain and the body. Classified as an inhalant, it belongs to a class of drugs known as something, blah blah blah, which also includes something.

George: It's a vasodilator, so it dilates your blood vessels so you can have more blood flow.

Tommy: It feels like when you've just stood up and you sort of see stars, but it's like a head spin, head rush.

Mason: Yeah, it's, it's It's big in the festival community as a, like, a social drug.

Tully: Yeah, so it kicks in other drugs. Yeah, you've taken it, yeah, you know, ecstasy or MDMA, and then you have a sniff of that, it hypes it all into— I've heard.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like if you're— I could imagine if you saw your kid— this would be a weird use case— if you saw your kid and it makes you really happy and then you sniffed it, it'll probably make you, oh, like, you want more euphoric.

Tully: The closest person to you, you want I want to just make out with them.

Josh: And this is—

Tommy: and so people use it while, like, they're having sex.

Tully: So back to your question is, how do you land on a kink?

George: Yes.

Tully: Yeah, that's a fair point. Like, if anyone has a foot fetish, how did you get to the point where you realised you've got a foot fetish?

Tommy: You've just been seeing kids' feet. I mean, kids— no, as you're growing up, you're, you're in school, you're looking over, you're like, there's Bianca's feet. I don't know why I feel the way I do about her feet, but I like them. And you're keeping it down, and then and you get to become an adult and you're like, I'm at the gym.

Tully: This is the thing. Does anyone in this room have a weird kink?

Josh: I don't think so.

Tully: I mean, Mase can't really tell right yet.

Josh: I feel like if anyone, George, what's your—

George: You would definitely be the guy to have a kink.

Mason: No, no.

Tommy: I mean, the guy that brings up fisting a bit.

Josh: He does, yeah. Do you think that's me?

Tommy: Yeah. I don't know.

George: No, I don't think you'd be a fisting guy.

Tommy: What about all the people who have kinks but are in relationships that don't Allow for the kink. Which is fine.

Tully: It's just, I think that—

Josh: It's a long-term relationship. I wonder how kinks fit into it. Like, do you think, what do you think the standard, do you think it's sort of like a long-term relationship?

Tully: Yeah, it would be like, okay, I agree on that on the first of every month, we'll adhere to your kink just to give you that.

Tommy: No, I think people can have their kinks suppressed, not in a negative.

Tully: But is that not a bit sad? Don't you want to—

Tommy: No, not necessarily. Really? Life isn't always about succumbing to your— Yeah, you sort of need that.

Josh: So what's the appeal of 69?

Tommy: So that could be someone's kink though. I'm not a fan. I've done it. I don't appreciate it.

Tully: Some would say that oral sex—

Josh: I don't bloody appreciate it.

Tully: Some would say that oral sex is better than penetrative sex.

Josh: I like the pressure of not coming straight away. Like you can long last—

Tully: Hang on. You can last longer.

Josh: Feels like you can have two goes, whereas if you just go straight to fucking, I feel like I've, you know, I've got fucked up.

Tully: Don't you just feel like 69ing, like there's just too much going on? Like, I've just got— there's so much in my brain. I'm like focusing on so much. I'm like sucking your stomach, suck something else. Like, it's just a lot. There's a lot happening.

Tommy: As you said, admin. It's a lot of admin.

Josh: How much of it is perception of your body and you at that time versus getting too close to his asshole?

Tully: I don't care about assholes, you know that.

Josh: And so, so then it's very much about like, how do I look from behind?

Tully: Well, depends which way we're going from. But yeah, I just feel like, I think that a lot of the time oral sex is considered like the holy grail. Like, guys, a lot of guys I know would prefer to get a head job over actually having sex. A lot of guys I know. And they also like to think that they're the best in the world at going down and like, oh, I'm so great, I actually love eating pussy. It's like, you're actually shit house at it. Like, you really are. Most guys are really bad at it. You're probably both really bad at it.

Josh: I I agree.

Tully: Probably are. And I can say that because I've been with both men and women. So I'm like, I'm this queen status.

Tommy: Women better?

Tully: Yeah, because they actually give a fuck more than guys do.

Josh: And so where does oral sex fit with you in regards to?

Tully: No, but my point is, so in a lot of people's opinion, I think that a 69er in some people's view is like the ultimate, because it's like they get to be king, like eating you out, which is, you know, I'm so lucky. At the same time, they get to get a head job. Like, this is the best of all the worlds.

Josh: So, you think that giving, like a guy going down on a chick—

Tully: Is usually terrible.

Josh: And boring. But you think that's high status for the guy.

Tully: They think that they are giving you a real gift. They're like, oh no, you know what? I actually love doing this. I love doing it. Just lie back. And you're there going, I'd rather you not. Like, you're just wasting my time. In my head, I'm like shopping for a house.

Tommy: So, then the pressure for the money. Male, like, I'm not a fan of it.

Josh: I don't, I don't appreciate it.

Tully: I actually like it.

Tommy: Like, it's not my, I don't pride myself.

Tully: So are you going to let down someone else?

Tommy: Me going down? And so it's like, have you ever?

Tully: Oh my God, of course.

Tommy: Yes, yes, yes, yes. But I'm, what I'm saying is I think the people who put it forward is like, so you were faving.

Tully: That's what they're like. They're like, oh, you just wait, baby girl. Like, you just lie back.

Josh: I think that's a guy who, that's a guy, the way The way that you're positioning it there was like, yeah, I was a pussy-eating guy, but not anymore.

Tommy: But what I'm saying is, I don't appreciate it. How many guys are okay with saying it's not my thing?

Tully: No guy ever says that.

Tommy: That's what I mean. That's what I mean.

Tully: I'd love a guy to be like, hey, you know what, can you talk me through what you— I'd be like, absolutely, buckle up, soldier. That's what I mean. Like, oh baby girl, like, you just fucking— you lie back, you just relax. You know, they're going, this is gonna be—

Tommy: because they're thinking that this is what the girl wants. And so they're like, so where does that come from? Like, it's just a delusion of the guy. And so, no, the guy was like, it's also on us.

Tully: And we talk about this a lot with my girlfriends. It's like, if you sleep with a guy, which I've done many times in the past, and acted like you were enjoying it when you're not, that's us doing them a disservice.

Josh: And so do you think, because I guess you watch all these films like American Pie. I remember as a kid, I was like, yeah, red tube, you jizz.

Tully: Yeah. Oh wait, no, like American Pie. You laughed a little bit too loud at that one.

Josh: One, it's like American Pie. Like, there was so much talk about, uh, eating, going down on someone, and they had the book. Was that that film, or was that not another teen movie? But they had the, the book underneath the, um, the shelf in the library.

Tommy: American Pie.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, American Pie. But I feel like there was—

Tully: I remember as a younger person, I was like, did you guys Google how to do it and were told to do the alphabet with your tongue on the clit?

Josh: I think that like The right-hand side of the clitoris I believe is the more sensitive area.

Tully: Oh my God!

Tommy: Hey Karen? Uh, Georgie's mum, how are you?

Josh: Karen knows—

Tully: wait hang on, what medical like where what we just do some fact-checking what where did you learn that the right side is important whose right side camera right or stage right like where did you read this this.

Josh: No, I just think like these, um, you know what, I just—

Tully: that's—

Josh: I mean, so the thing is, is that because I guess the other thing too is all of this is so unique to the individual. So there's some people who love, uh, having— like, you hear storeys of it's like, I only— again, I'm only gonna have sex with a guy. Sex? Ah, it's a comedy. Uh, anyway, thanks for coming on to talk about Big Brother. Just quickly, no, but the, um, people talk about— I think it's wine.

Tully: I know we've already had 3 bottles.

Josh: So the, um, no, do you think like, so for some people Do your girlfriends say, I'll own— like, I will only have sex with this person if they'll go down on me first?

Tully: No, not at all. No one's— and some girls don't even— some girls find that really, um, it's a really vulnerable position for them to be in. Like, a lot of females I know think that that's really intimate. So it's— that's more intimate, as we were saying the other day, it's more intimate. Some people think than sleeping together.

Josh: And so no post-oral kissing? Like, how do you feel about that?

Tully: I'm okay with that if You're a big baby if you don't. What the hell? Are you serious? You just, if you're, yeah, I think it's really immature if you're like, oh wait, you just were, you know, down there, don't kiss me. Like if I ever gave a guy a blowjob and then he didn't kiss me, I'd be like, see you later. Like what the hell?

Tommy: That's fair.

Tully: Your junk's okay for my mouth, but your tongue isn't?

George: Fuck off.

Tommy: Yeah, it's fair. Anyway, thanks for coming on to talk about Big Brother 2020. That was more entertaining than Big Brother.

Mason: Oh, do they, um, in Big Brother?

Josh: Oh yeah, so women do they, uh, I didn't know where it was going.

Mason: The voice, is that— are you actually talking to that voice that we hear on Big Brother, or is it a producer?

Tully: Yeah, no, it is. Um, so I— one thing that I remember being really perplexed by as a fan of the show was I just figured that Big Brother was going to be there for us whenever we wanted him. I was I was like, he's literally— that's his job, to be there whenever I want him. So I would, you know, be upset or want to discuss something or want to just like even just have some time alone in the diary room. And I'd go and press— you have to press like a doorbell and then they let you in. So obviously it's intercom. Well, obviously if the voice of Big Brother doesn't happen to be in the control room at that very moment, they have to get him to come into the control room. He's there every day, but if he's having a lunch break, having a ciggy, whatever— Leon, I love you. If he's not there, they have to get him in. So sometimes you'd go there, you'd press the button and wait for the door, and mostly their doors would open immediately. But sometimes you'd walk, you'd be like, I'm just— I'll come back later. Like, they wouldn't let you in, which I thought was so funny because in my head I'm like, you're at my beck and call, are you not? Like, is that not your job to be at my beck and call?

Josh: I remember there being a couple of different voices.

Tully: There are. So yeah, so there was like a game time Big Brother. So there was a Big Brother that was like for all the main events, so for like evictions nominations for any of the challengers, and that was Leon Murray. He's an amazing, amazing voiceover artist.

Tommy: I know that guy, Leon and Dan.

Tully: He's great. Leon's great. And it's such a shame. I really— it works well for me because I think if I had heard his voice be Big Brother this year, that would have made me feel a little bit weird. So I'm really glad. I'm sad because this new voice is terrible, but also I'm like, you know what, he's great. Um, but yes, him. And then there was a Weekend Big Brother for like weekend Big Brother, it was kind of a bit more cash and she was a chick.

Josh: She was getting double time and a half weekend.

Tommy: Weekend rates.

Tully: Yeah. I hope so.

Mason: Yeah.

Tully: She used to play with the boys. So they'd wake us up every morning and we'd call her Lady Big Brother. And she would wake us up, the lights would come on and she'd be like, good morning, boys. She'd be like, the sun is shining, the birds are chirping. And the boys would be like, oh yeah, like talk to us, talk to us. Cause they hadn't seen or heard anyone like remotely sexy. Obviously we weren't sexy.

Josh: You were in there.

Tully: Yeah. Thanks, Josh.

Josh: But as in, that was the question. It wasn't just the guys weren't all separate, were they?

Tully: Well, a lot of them had girlfriends in the outside world and she was putting on like a sexy, sultry voice.

Josh: Did she make a Siri?

Tommy: Siri turns me on. I've got a wife and Siri does it for me.

Tully: Yeah, exactly. And then there was a, we call him baby. We call him baby.

George: You've got a bloke.

Josh: Yeah, I do have a guy Siri.

Tully: You use the guy Siri?

Mason: Yeah.

George: What is he?

Josh: He's English. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like a British Indian.

Tommy: Reminds me of him of James Bond.

Mason: It's Siri.

Josh: Oh shit. Anyway, as—

George: Yeah, no, it is.

Tully: And then there was a baby Big Brother that was like a younger, snappier version of Big Brother that would flirt with me. I thought he sounded really cute and I would often flirt with him and he'd say things like, "Tully, you're looking really cute today." And I'd be like, "Oh my God, stop." And then I met him at the wrap party and he's gay.

Josh: So classic. Yeah.

Tully: But yeah, this new voice is just a bit creepy.

Josh: So you're going to keep watching?

Tully: I will, of course. Yeah. As I said, I'm a loyalist to the show. I love the format and in any way, shape perform, they're bringing it back. Yeah, I'll definitely be watching.

Josh: I don't know if I believe you in regards to like—

Tommy: well, I believe she'll be watching, but like, in regards to—

Josh: you don't like the format though?

Tully: I don't like this new format. Yeah, no, I don't.

Tommy: Is it Big Brother as a whole?

Tully: Yeah, I love the show, I love the concept, um, and despite this new sort of version of the concept—

Josh: that was slightly aggressive.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, she loves the band, doesn't love the new album.

Tully: Well, yeah, that's exactly—

Josh: it's important to say that, right? Because if you're like, if you had a, uh, if you love Blink-182 and then they bring them back and they're completely different, it's like, I feel like as a loyalist, you, you can, you should be able to—

Tully: At the day though, there's still a bunch of strangers living in a house, filmed 24/7, living together. And that's the thing that I love. I don't love the new challenges every night. I don't love the fact that there's an eviction every night. I don't love the fact that it's not filmed live and we have zero say in— because this is the thing, right? If if, if it was down to us to evict rather than the public, I would have been gone week 2. And like, the show would have been absolutely awful without me, obviously. So they're gonna, they're gonna get rid of the annoying loud people, but those people that make the show entertaining.

Josh: So do you reckon they'll do it again but actually fix the, the format?

Tully: Nah, I have a feeling— I hope the show does well, I really do. Um, I have a feeling it won't, and I don't think it would be back, and that sucks.

Josh: Yeah, it's interesting.

Tully: They do an All Stars, I'm absolutely down for it.

Josh: Well, that's what I get, like, so I guess part of it is like, I should— you're wanting to like crocodile, not burn bridges, because it's like you want to see what opportunity.

Tully: But I also just love the show. I really do love the show. I was excited to hear it's coming back. Um, I was apprehensive of the new format after seeing 2 episodes, even more so. Um, they're just rushing it, you know. They're not, they're not letting us learn who these people are. They needed to give us— you don't get evicted usually the new series for a week in. You get a week to establish yourself, meet people, relax, unwind. And so the fact that we had an eviction, you know, day one, it was just like, what? It's a lot.

Tommy: He's getting bogged down in you mentioning the format, old format, Big Brother.

Josh: Yeah, no, I just feel like it. No, I just wanted to understand.

Tommy: No, I know it's a good question.

Josh: Good question. All right.

Tully: You guys all right? You want to hug it out?

Josh: Yeah, no, it's all Fine. I need a bit of a sleep. I'm just gonna have a bit of a nap. Yeah, thank you.

Tommy: Thanks for coming on.

Josh: Thanks, thanks, Tally. It's a Daily Talk Show. Uh, you can send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow for another Weekend Banter.

Tommy: Have a good one. See you guys.

Josh: Bye.