Thirst Traps & Impersonations With Gemma Watts

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 610.

Tommy: Queen Gronkh back in the studio.

Gemma: She's back.

Tommy: How you going?

Gemma: I'll clap for me.

Tommy: Yeah, I'll clap for you.

Gemma: I'm pretty upset that I forgot the crown, but that's okay.

Tommy: Well, sorry, I was just, you know, I was annoyed about my glasses.

Josh: They feel crooked. Do you wear contacts?

Gemma: Yeah, I wear— pardon?

Tommy: Can they lay in?

Gemma: Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm blind as a bat.

Tommy: I actually think I did see them when you look— I'm quite close to you right now.

Gemma: They're clear, but yeah.

Tommy: Your eyes really pop, don't they?

Gemma: Thank you. That's so nice. That's why I wear so much green.

Josh: Do you have—

Gemma: Lovely, thank you.

Josh: Do you wear colour contacts ever?

Gemma: No, that would scare me. I mean, the colour of my eyes is exceptional.

Tommy: I don't think I need it.

Josh: It's a good base for that.

Gemma: You've got to know your strengths, and I think that's probably it for me. That's all I have to offer.

Tommy: You're in the camp with my wife, but also your eyes, Josh, and Bree's eyes. I mean, we're all popping. I mean, Mason and I are the strugglers with the—

Josh: Yeah, what do you call them?

Tommy: No pop.

Gemma: That's what the optometrist calls them.

Tommy: What's my edge if I— my eyes are shit, like visually, because they're way better than you guys. Facial hair.

Gemma: My mum just thinks you're all so handsome. Yeah, he's got good hair.

Josh: He's got really good hair.

Tommy: There's, um, I mean, I'll accept that. I walked into the Bastion office. We had, um, founder Ferg and his brother's the CEO up in Sydney, and I'd walk in the office And he'd just, his brother would just clap, like, the best hair in the building.

Gemma: That's nice.

Tommy: I was just like, I just flick it a bit.

Gemma: I'm like, yeah.

Josh: Well, what about when we went to—

Tommy: Stop it.

Gemma: It's so nice to be complimented on your appearance, isn't it?

Josh: I don't know. Well, I was trying to justify why it might not be good because I never get it. Like, no one ever said, oh, like you, like—

Gemma: Yes, they do.

Josh: The most I get is, I like your socks.

Gemma: I have told you you're handsome very many times.

Josh: And it's in that inflection. That inflection is not one to take seriously.

Gemma: Never again.

Josh: But so when we were at Jason PJ, we were in the studio and then we walked out and then one of the producers came out and said, Tommy, you gotta come over here.

Tommy: And there was a bit weirded out.

Josh: There was a lot of ogling going on where all the girls were like, oh, we think you're hot.

Tommy: I was like, what are they, grade 4?

Gemma: Yeah, well, that's happened to a friend of all of ours recently, but we'll probably keep that one offline.

Josh: Sure. Are we talking about Pete? Pete's quite— he's a hot guy.

Tommy: I think there's not— like, if we were to each today, the four of us in this room, say something nice about someone, try and give at least two people a compliment, not necessarily about their looks, but something like— I think it's lovely.

Gemma: I've been— it's funny you've said this. Sorry, I've just completely interrupted you. I have— a very bad thing has happened in recent months in that when I am drunk, I've become super nice.

Josh: Is this a new thing?

Gemma: Yeah, I don't like this side of me because I'm not like affectionate, I'm not super in touch with my feelings. And then I will have, you know, some drinks and I'm like, you know what we should do? Should we go around and like tell everyone what we love about each other? It's a good night. No, good game when you're drunk though.

Tommy: We did that in LA with Tully. We were all holding hands and Mason had my hand. I'll do it to you.

Gemma: Yeah, but you guys are all—

Tommy: Mason started doing this.

Gemma: Oh, okay.

Tommy: He started actually using his thumb and sort of caressing my hand. I don't know, he was, we were all a bit emotional and he was drunk for the first time.

Gemma: But you guys are all pretty empathetic. I'm a bit like, oh yeah.

Tommy: And I'd let Mase kiss me.

Gemma: That's cool. Nothing. That's good.

Josh: I mean, I feel like, um, you get lip slippy on your face, doll. That's true. Uh, saying I love you. I've never been more, like I say to Bree, I say it a lot. Actually, I realised the other day that like we're sitting on the couch and within a 5-minute block I said like 3 times, do you love me?

Tommy: To Bree.

Josh: Yeah, I don't even say like, I love you. It's like, do you love me?

Tommy: Yeah, I say it to her.

Josh: And then Bree's like, oh, um, uh, yes. I'm like, why? Like doing, doing that.

Tommy: Jesus.

Josh: But I do say to Bree, I love you, I love you. I probably say it like 20 times in a day. It's almost like a bit of a I need to fill silence type of thing.

Gemma: No, that is the best reason to say it.

Josh: No, no, you know when you're growing up, but you're on the couch and it's just like, I love you. You could be happy.

Tommy: I get in needy modes and I'm like, you love me? Like, I know Amy loves me, you know Bree loves me.

Gemma: It's nice to hear it.

Tommy: But it's just so nice. And then like, I think about Bodhi. I say to him nonstop, like, mate, I love him, little beauty, you're the best, I love you so much.

Josh: But, and then he said, I really want him to love me.

Tommy: He would love you. I'd say, say I love it, I love you, Auntie Gemma. He'd say that. He loves people.

Josh: You just did a fist.

Gemma: Yes.

Josh: Was that because he He did punch you at the last event?

Gemma: No, he didn't. This is actually— this was brought up on the show. He didn't.

Josh: Really? Because I walked in and then someone had said, "Ah, Bodhi just—" I'm like, "Oh, what's happening?" "Ah, Bodhi just punched Gemma." No, because then he came up and he was like, "I'm sorry, Gemma." And I was like, "What are you apologising for, dude?" But he didn't. Because he punched you? You mustn't have even noticed.

Tommy: No, he just threw a hand out.

Gemma: Didn't realize.

Josh: And he had a fist.

Gemma: It's because it happens all the time.

Josh: I'm just walking along. This happens.

Gemma: 'Punch me, it's fine, it's okay.' So it turns out my next-door neighbour had a crush on you. I mean, well, that's certainly the version of events that I've been told.

Tommy: It was established that you went to high school with my next-door neighbor.

Gemma: Queen of Cronulla.

Tommy: I mean, yeah, the Gronkh separation goes far. Like, you know, there's some connection through everybody.

Gemma: Yeah, it's a bloody small world, hey?

Josh: It's good. And so how did that come about? How did we work out that your name. So there's Michelle Timms on one side, and then lower there's— can we give it— what's his name? Liam. Liam. I love Liam. He's got a Hilux.

Tommy: He's got a big car, big truck. What is it? But he calls it a monster truck, so it's a monster truck.

Josh: And Chris is having issues with his ute at the moment, or what did that end up being?

Gemma: No, he just took it— I, I used an analogy and, um, apparently it was controversial, but I think it's appropriate. He's had his car serviced, and essentially what they've told him is that his car has terminal cancer, and if he's is going to die at some point, but there's just no like time on when.

Tommy: What's happening?

Gemma: How does a car get— Something about the engine. I don't know. I need to get you—

Josh: Bad fuel or something?

Gemma: Did you have a crack in the engine?

Tommy: No. What sort of car has Chris got?

Gemma: A ute. That is as much. Is it a Hilux? Couldn't tell you. Is it a big ute? Does it impress you?

Tommy: Does it bloody make you feel something?

Gemma: Not even a tiny bit.

Josh: Like an SSU?

Gemma: He did take apart a door handle the other day and I was like, I've never been more attracted to you. And he's like, you understand this is my job. Yeah. I was like, I would love to come to work with you.

Tommy: Was there something I was talking about? Stupid thought that I thought chicks who could drive a manual back in the day I was into. Was there something like dumb that you look back and think, oh, so dumb?

Gemma: No, it's dumb, but I stand by it. When a boy reverses the car but puts their hand over the back of your seat. Oh, mama. I bet now they've got just rearview camera.

Josh: So I fully kunk out and just—

Tommy: Well, you do know that you're not allowed to do that in the test. I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to turn your body, hold the seat and use one hand. Dangerous. You need two hands. Very sexy. So it's a rule breaker. It's a rule breaker that you're into.

Josh: Keep going. And so Liam's got a ute anyway. And so he, at some point when you were— you went to high school together, same year, do we know?

Gemma: No, he would be 3, 4 years younger than me. Yeah, much younger than me. I don't know how old you are. I am 27. Good age. Jordan Michaelides thought I was 23. That's something I learned the other day.

Josh: It's a few things like that. That even happened with—

Gemma: But you guys thought I was older.

Josh: No, I thought you were older.

Gemma: Because I'm a baby genius.

Tommy: Baby genius. You don't think baby geniuses are old because you still think they're a baby. They're just a genius. We just thought you're an old genius. Yeah, this is true.

Josh: How do you think you'd go with your VCE if you were to do it now?

Gemma: I mean, I did okay, but I stopped trying because my first preference was they didn't look at your ANTA score. It was based on portfolio and interview. So I was like, I'm fucking charming, this will be fine. And it was.

Josh: I'm, um, I've gone a bit off, like, you know, like TAFEs and unis and all that sort of thing. Hearing Harry describe all of the stuff that he has to go through in regards to like doing a course. I feel like it's a bit of a scam. Where is he? Well, now he's at MIT.

Gemma: I mean, I loved it.

Tommy: We're not looking at like a brand new 2-year-old. Like, that's enough.

Josh: But he was saying, he's saying stuff like he goes there and it's like, okay, this is how you open Premiere Pro. And he's been, yeah, he's been using it for 4 years.

Gemma: But there's also, when for me that was useful, like I did a bit of everything. And that shit was useful. But at the time I was like, I'm never ever going to need to know how to record sound.

Josh: So what was the one thing that you took from— that was the best thing that you ever did at RMIT?

Gemma: You know what? It was actually the first course that I did because I was the baby. Everyone else in the course was much older and was already working and had come back as like a skill refresher. And they said, oh, you want to write, you need to start doing it now, start submitting pieces. So I did. So that's why I started working when I was 18. So what was the class? What was the actual class? It was a— God, it was a diploma, which is now an associate degree, which is annoying. It was a diploma in professional writing and editing. So I went to RMIT TAFE first. So then when I moved over to journalism at RMIT University, I was exempt from half of the things because I already had 2 years of a course under my belt and I was writing for L'Oréal. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, even you had Zoe on your show. It was a great chat. I enjoyed it a lot.

Gemma: I enjoyed it too.

Josh: She was talking about how when she was getting started, like, you didn't do all that. You didn't have like the side hustle stuff.

Gemma: You didn't do all that type of thing.

Josh: It was just like you would finish high school and then be like, oh, what am I going to do now?

Gemma: Now I've got some paper and I'll go to a job interview.

Tommy: Well, my next door neighbor. Liam? No, Michelle. I should just build out the whole community. That's right. I'd love to. Is Liam— do they want that? Michelle's going to come on the podcast, and so just—

Josh: she's so funny. And so Liam lives with his brother, twin brother. And so Liam's brother is the one that had the McDonald's. Yeah, that's the story.

Tommy: Yeah. Anyway, um, 14— there's a 16-year-old girl lives next door, Michelle's daughter. Um, but imagine being sick. I know, like I captured glimpses of what I remember this sort of 16-year-old life was about, you know. I said to her, yeah, 2 days ago, to Michelle or the 16-year-old?

Josh: No, the 16-year-old.

Tommy: I said, have you ever listened to a podcast in your life? Okay. No. I said, TikTok, right? Yeah, it's like she loves TikTok. It's all, it's all TikTok, dude. I don't know if kids are listening to podcasts yet. I think it's one of the mediums that will—

Josh: people Like, it's like AM, it's like the new age AM radio, isn't it?

Tommy: Potentially it was a sort of perspective shift. And then I said, um, oh, look at my TikTok, and then she's blown away with the amount of views. And so I was pretty—

Josh: would you do a TikTok with her?

Tommy: Yeah, I wouldn't mind, that'd be funny.

Gemma: Could you do that somewhere? What are you doing on there? So hungover. Actually, no, I'm on there twice. One of my, my cousin's 10-year-old at Christmas got me when I was so drunk, and she was like, no, TikTok's really cool. Like, you just do a dance, I'll teach you the dance, and then we'll film it. And I was like, nah, I'm a really good dancer, so I'm not— you're not even gonna teach me, I'm just gonna follow along. And then in the morning when I was hungover, I was like, I'll be better now. I was not.

Josh: Well, at your New Year's Eve party, I was just— I've got such long videos. Yeah, when you and Gabby just like And we will never speak of them again. I mean, it's quite impressive, but I feel like there's some— there's probably 6 TikToks in that one video. Jesus. Snapchat. Tommy got me to download Snapchat.

Gemma: That's mostly for dick pics. Is it? Is it really?

Tommy: No, no. Snapchat's now like a literally just a messaging service. Yeah, that's most people.

Gemma: My girlfriends and I have like a group message on there. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the concept of group messaging. I hate group messaging.

Josh: You know I hate group messaging.

Gemma: This is brand new information.

Josh: Do you try, do you use, is it a certain type of, is it raunchier/riskier messages?

Gemma: No, it's actually because a lot of them have like fitness goals, but the only way they will stick to them is if they are held accountable. So, they'll film themselves doing a workout being like, "See, I'm doing it." Interesting. And then I'll just send back like, "Yay," clapping emoji. I mean, you're on to it.

Tommy: I messaged you the other night late and you wrote straight back.

Gemma: Then I listened to the show and heard that you were having an impromptu piss-up and I'm like, man, did TJ drunk message me? I feel like that's a—

Josh: I enjoy that more. Like the other night on Saturday night last week, Jase Hawkins did the post of the Daily Talk Show. Why? And him and I just got on the back and forth on the text and I could tell he was a bit pissed.

Tommy: There's a rhythm you can get into.

Josh: And we were just like, And it was one of those things where I think you'd be able to tell if I was. Well, the conversation should have died, but it kept going.

Tommy: That's nice. That's a way to tell.

Josh: How— what is your tell? How would we know if you were— through messages, how would we know that you've had a lot to drink?

Tommy: 7 empty pints in front of me. Yeah, just like the eggplant emoji.

Gemma: Yeah, yeah, that's probably it.

Tommy: Pictures of online guys doing a reverse park with their arm over. What do you think of this guy?

Josh: It's probably an animated GIF. Reverse park. And so Snapchat, you think, is for group messaging?

Gemma: Yeah, I use it as a bit of like, like if I'm still at my desk and it's quite late, I'm like, oh, look how hard of a worker I am. It's just like a flex for people that I haven't spoken to in ages.

Josh: Is it riskier? Like, is it a certain— are we going to get a different version of you on Snapchat if we add you? No, no. And the other—

Gemma: actually, the other thing that I do on there, Fiona, who you have both met, when we want to vent about something that we know is real petty, we will use one of the Snapchat filters that like puts bunny ears on and changes your voice, and then we'll record ourselves venting and send it to each other. Because then when you hear yourself whinging back in a voice, it's like, meh meh meh meh meh meh meh. It kind of hits you like this. Yeah. So that's what we use it for. It's like, that's our counseling.

Tommy: We should just watch this podcast back in speed, just double speed.

Gemma: Yeah, but you've got to have some sort of funny ears on.

Josh: Well, the slowest, funniest shit that we've heard is when people put a slow motion on, slow-mo in the podcast app, like slow you down to 0.5 and everything sounds like a bit of a slur. Do it.

Gemma: That's a whole segment on Fox footy on the couch with Jonathan Brown. They will just slow down something Brownie's said. That's what I've just said, drunk, because he's been—

Tommy: he's come in drunk. Yeah, no, it sounds really funny now I'm just thinking about it. What's the funny sentence? That was funny. Yeah, that's funny.

Josh: The social media etiquette of trying to support people online, opposite sex, uh, you're in a long-term relationship Do you think that people, uh, in relationships should like and comment on whether it's a guy topless or bikini photos? Should Tommy be liking model shots or commenting? Or even me? Or 97?

Gemma: I just think he can be his. I think it's a di— just, it depends on who you are and who your partner is and what they're cool with.

Tommy: I'm just going to my explore feed and I'm just seeing if there's a—

Gemma: Most of what I do on Instagram is just like Sebastian Stan's photos. Who's Sebastian?

Tommy: There's some of the creepiest.

Gemma: There's some of the, um, The Winter Soldier, Avengers. Oh, like I'm just looking on Marvel. Oh my God, Sebastian Stan with his hand on the back of the passenger seat.

Josh: Maybe you could get that in a cameo.

Tommy: There's just like, I've seen—

Gemma: You'll never see me again. Some of them just— Gemma, I've tried to call you 3 times. Why aren't you answering?

Tommy: Some of the creepiest people writing on, like, unless you're mates with Steph Clare-Smith and you're looking at—

Gemma: Oh yeah, if you're sending—

Tommy: You're seeing her bum saying, great, Steph, you're working hard.

Gemma: They're like a drop of water emoji.

Tommy: Like, there is the sleaziest people. And then I click on—

Josh: What about being funny? Because the other day I, um, there was a Steph Clare-Smith photo. And someone had written, it was like spam. And they said, I'm doing follow, like, if you follow me now, I'll follow you back. He had like a tick. And I said, are we also doing PC for PC?

Gemma: That's why Kylie Jenner turned comments off because her whole— Yeah. Or I think now you don't have to turn them off, but you can just receive comments from people that you follow. Yeah.

Tommy: From friends. That's a good idea. Yeah.

Josh: I actually, when you're a celebrity, maybe that's a good way of getting— no, because then you need to, then you, there's a lot more pressure to start following people back.

Gemma: Yeah, don't do that. Or you can turn comments off for if they use specific words.

Tommy: Right, it's when you have 70 million followers.

Gemma: Yeah, this is not a problem any of us have.

Josh: So what, what's the, um, the general rule? Do not be, just don't be fucking thirsty. So But in a relationship, but don't you also think that thirsty can be— I feel like if I wasn't in a relationship, my version of thirsty would be like, haha, like I'm not being direct, but haha, I'm funny, aren't I? Yeah. So I'd be like writing witty things, just being like, like, so for instance, oh, you've written on Tully's. See, we have—

Tommy: Tully's our mate. Yeah.

Gemma: And this is the thing. That's the other thing. It depends on the relationship you've got with that person.

Josh: And so from the Daily Talk, like, I think sometimes we write from the Daily Talk show. Um, which is mainly '97. But, um, which one was it?

Gemma: Which one of you was telling me my new profile picture was really nice? That was me. I knew it was you.

Josh: It's not, but yeah, I wanted to tell you, he's a different—

Tommy: so they're funny.

Josh: You made a funny joke, TJ, because, uh, Tully talks about how guys get obsessed with her, um, phone case. And, uh, Tully had put— it's basically like a liquid that moves around. Yeah.

Gemma: And Tully had taken a bikini photo.

Josh: Yeah. And Tommy had written nice phone case. Yeah, because I was pointing out, like, it is funny, but it's also funny.

Tommy: Yeah, but I'm making a lot— I'm making a lot of how she's an influencer, and then she appreciates some of it, how it's just a bit— it's a bit, you know, influencer life is like, you are just taking a fucking bikini shot and you got your phone case. I thought it was a funny, like— but I would never do that. No, a rando that I had no idea.

Josh: I've only done it—

Gemma: I think you get a vibe from if someone's hitting on you. I can I can absolutely tell when someone is hitting on me.

Josh: There's definitely been like on the very odd occasion where I'm just like, oh, this person, like, oh, they're really nice. And they posted a photo and, oh, it's a bikini photo.

Tommy: Who? Give us a real world example. Who are you following, bro?

Josh: No, it's literally like just a guest that we've had on the show and they post a photo. But the funny thing is when I do it, I'm like, I'm being supportive because it's like the only reason you put that photo online is because you want likes, right? Oh, getting likes.

Tommy: That's why I gave a like.

Gemma: But as long as you're not just sending like the drool emoji. Well, that's the thing.

Josh: And so I liked it. But the hilarious thing was it's like the one time I'm like, oh, I'm going to test this out, like just do it. And I liked it. And like 3 seconds later, Bree's like, oh, you like the photo? Like, whose photo is it? Let's be honest. Oh, it was Michelle Andrews from Shameless.

Gemma: I don't think Michelle thinks you're hitting on her.

Josh: But this is the thing. What was it, a bikini shot? It was just a bikini shot. No, so the question is, I probably just give her—

Tommy: I'd like to share the likes around. And that's the thing, I like—

Gemma: other thing is there are like different genres of bikini photos. Michelle's bikini photos, she's not like pouting and got like a finger in her mouth and any of that. Like, hers aren't—

Josh: they're just like— yeah. And so what's a—

Gemma: I taught Pete what a thirst trap is.

Josh: He's very confused. So what would a thirst trap— what's a thirst trap photo versus a— like, don't we Isn't every bikini photo a thirst trap?

Tommy: No. You at the beach smiling with your mate, the thumbs up versus the girl taking a selfie, pushing her, arching her back and her bum's poking up and there's a G-string that she's wearing.

Gemma: Correct.

Tommy: And it's like, cheque out the mountains in the back, but there is actually mountains behind the sea. You know, like that's a thirst trap over, yeah, I am rocking down the beach with me mates. And I totally support that thirst trap.

Gemma: I think it's a genius. Maneuver. So the closest thing I get to a thirst trap posting is like, um, you've never posted a thirst trap.

Tommy: I can say that.

Josh: And I've done 3 this week. So that is a lie. So what about me at the fest? All the festival content, all thirst traps. No, there's another.

Tommy: That's the hahaha funny, but Jesus, there's a thirst trap. Isn't cute?

Tommy: You've been hit by the Gemma Watts confidence stick today, I think.

Tommy: I don't think cute is thirst trap.

Gemma: But there's another thing that is harder to spot that they call, um, Gatsbying, which is— so you know how the whole point of The Great Gatsby— oh, you haven't read it, do you mean? That's what comes first. Okay.

Josh: And I haven't been on the train. Cool. So is that a train?

Gemma: I don't know what you're talking about. Um, what is the Gatsby? So the whole point of Great Gatsby, if we're talking about the film, Leonardo DiCaprio has fallen in love many, many years prior with Carey Mulligan. So he moves into this like crazy mansion across the water from her and throws these ridiculous parties every night. And then you find out that he's just been throwing these parties to get her attention, hoping that one day she would rock up to one of the parties. So Gats being on social media is— if there's like one specific person whose attention you want, so like let's say hypothetically if you were single there was a girl who loved music festivals and like you happened to know maybe was in the St Kilda area, you'd be like, hey, I'm just in St Kilda today, like, and hoping that they would see it.

Tommy: So that's exactly what we put out, the content. But there was— so I was sort of getting harder to recognize. I think I was gatsping to no one, um, to MTV's audience.

Josh: Yeah, but so like, to give you an idea, it's on Urban Dictionary. I've not— if it's not a thirst trap, if it's not a thirst trap, why Why would you get messages like this? So this is, here's a photo that I posted last night. I got some interesting DMs. So cute. That's not thirst traps. There was one. So cute.

Tommy: No one's thirsty over a 9-year-old boy. But then have a look. They're not, they're not. Here's some others.

Gemma: Not this audience. Here are the comments.

Josh: Okay. Little JJ is the cutest. Um, haha, yes. You big cutie. That's from Bree. I just thought that that was quite like everyone from your missus.

Gemma: Is this your mate?

Tommy: I once posted a photo and I was just being silly doing this or something like that.

Josh: Flexing. You're flexing. Flexing.

Tommy: This was when I was 19 though, but then I put it up, I took it down because my pants were so tight you could just see my peen.

Josh: Really? That's not ideal.

Tommy: But I was, it was stupid because I, I, yeah, I hate fucking any of that shit.

Josh: Biggest aesthetic at the moment is, um Nipples?

Tommy: Like having— yeah, we're actually talking about this with Liam, my next door neighbor.

Gemma: It's very cool now. I'm not into that.

Josh: What do you— what does it take? Like, if you are— because I think it's like fashion-wise, women are doing it more. Like, I don't think guys are necessarily—

Gemma: the resurgence of the '90s. So Carrie Bradshaw, Sex and the City, she pioneered, um, just not wearing a bra.

Josh: And is there a technique to make sure that you've always you're at the point where you want to be in regards to—

Gemma: Not that I'm aware of, but that would be a concern. I, if I've not got a bra on, which is often, I have to tape mine down because I don't want headlights to come on.

Josh: But that is a, that is a thing, Cherie.

Gemma: But that is not— Yeah, it is. I don't know, I don't understand it though. It's not—

Tommy: At Security Festival, I saw so many nipple rings, nipple piercing. Nipple piercing. Well, you can see it, it's just like this bar that runs down.

Josh: I guess that's the point. Why are you doing it?

Gemma: Imagine getting caught.

Tommy: Well, yeah, it's a private, like a private area that you then show off.

Gemma: You could never wear like crochet or a knit ever again.

Tommy: But they want to.

Gemma: But it would get caught and then the garment would unwrap. And so I'm just thinking about that.

Josh: So what is clothing? What are girls like?

Tommy: I was going to say, what are girls like? Like, do you like the look? Do you like the look? I'm more like surprised of it, that it's a thing. Same. Because I don't understand. But I'm talking about men. So say you and your girls, like guys with their tops off on Instagram, like I follow a bunch, but they're more like in the bodybuilding fitness area.

Gemma: Not for me. Absolutely not for me. But I mean, personal preference. Unless they're reversing a car. I've got a very specific type and it's not.

Tommy: Well, what's a thirst trap in a man? What's he posting? How does the thirst trap play out? Like abs shot, obviously. Yeah, I guess top off at the beach.

Gemma: Oh, look at me quads.

Tommy: Yeah, but really, well, see, but this is the thing, a lot of the people that show that, like, they're bodybuilders or they're like fitness models. Yeah, like, so they work on their body, but then they become obsessed with the muscle shape. And I don't know if girls are like necessarily thirsty over that.

Gemma: Some are.

Tommy: Yeah, but not all of them. I think it's a— no, no, some women don't like muscly men.

Gemma: Yeah, but then not all guys like, you know, the G-banger and the titties. Personal pref. Yeah, to each their own.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, we're three, uh, I've done it again, I'm talking relationship people that—

Gemma: titties in every episode.

Josh: At least you reframed it because you used to say it like, you always, Josh, you always talk about scrotums and dick. What is it about you when I'm here? And then you you put me in this position.

Gemma: That's your Gemma voice, is it? Yes. I would love to hear a Gemma impersonation. Kat Moore reckons she can do one, but she's never— she's too scared to send it to me.

Josh: I reckon I could do a bit of it.

Gemma: I don't get it.

Josh: Like, it's just like, I think there's something about like, you've got to speak.

Gemma: I'm talking out of one side of my mouth.

Josh: I think because it's like you're speaking at the very top of your mouth. Okay. Okay.

Tommy: Did you get hit with the confidence stick today, JJ? Did you? No. I regret bringing this up. Can we please get Mr. 97 to try one?

Josh: Just do it. If you're not using 50 SPF, you're cancelled.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I never said cancelled. But, um, uh, do you know who's cancelled? Uber driver rocked up, he started putting sunscreen on. 30+. You're done. Oh, 30+? It's not helping shit. No, it is. No, it's not.

Gemma: The best sunscreen is the one you want to wear. You're right.

Tommy: He had a great tan though.

Gemma: Anyway, no such thing. He was Spanish. You can have a great tan.

Josh: Nothing healthy about it. Yeah.

Tommy: So give Gemma Watts impersonation a crack, Mr. 97. No pressure. Let's start with silence. And then the first thing you do is you're just going to go, okay, he's laughing. He's gone red. This is great. 3, 2, 1. Oh my God.

Gemma: No pressure. I think that was too high. Yeah. But I appreciate it. I think everyone's trying. Ride.

Josh: And can you impersonate us? No, I'm—

Gemma: no, because I'm smart enough to know that this is a terrible idea.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Gemma: Um, it's like the guess how old I am game. You can't win.

Josh: It's like the honesty thing TJ was talking the other day about, like, he's being extremely honest in 2020. Radical honesty. Radical honesty, which means there's gonna be tears, but on the other side of tears is, um, is a more robust life because you don't have to lie.

Gemma: Robust, what a good word.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. And so, um, There is something about that, like just feeling— what's— I think it's like how you define a lie or not speaking the truth or keeping something.

Gemma: A lot of grey area.

Tommy: Like, yo, it is. But I think— no, I think what happens is when the rule is whatever it is, I need to share it, you then start being able to define where you've blurred the line and it's become a grey area, like leaving out something doesn't mean I'm lying. It's like you convince yourself that's not lying. Something Amy had asked me and I just was like, it was a flat out lie in the end, but I justified it because I thought that by saying not the truth was a way, you know, to smooth the situation. It didn't really matter and blah, blah, blah. But you see the sort of reward on the other side. So it's an interesting one. Like even Derek with his kids and wife and talking about his Apple Watch that Pete gave him. I couldn't do that.

Gemma: Did give him that watch.

Tommy: That's— yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't take a watch from a guy. No, but I mean, you just look at— and that you're just going to apply it to yourself. And I've done that shit.

Josh: Yeah. And then you— I guess you have to work out, okay, what— like, if you're lying, does it then harbour guilt that then is actually— you end up expressing in other ways? Yeah, the guilt's hard.

Tommy: Anyway, are you lying to me, Gemma?

Gemma: Uh, I haven't in a while, I don't think. I said, how you going today?

Tommy: Did you lie?

Gemma: Did you ask how I'm going?

Tommy: No, I didn't. No, I just did that.

Josh: That was just then.

Gemma: Yeah, no, I'm real good.

Tommy: Real good. Yeah. Um, how am I feeling? Pretty tired today. Bodhi, you kept me up last night. Yeah, mentioning kicking me in the face.

Gemma: Good stuff.

Josh: How many hours sleep did you get, TJ?

Tommy: Oh, it's just broken from 10 PM till 5:45, but it's just there's bits that you loved it. Well, it's one of the things I get reminded, it's that fucked up thing where that parent who lost their kid was like, I sit by the back door hearing the door bang and I, and I love hearing it because it reminds me of the kid. But when the kid did it, I hated it and I yelled at him. And so that, I don't know, I try and go, it's the best thing ever because he's my son and he's healthy. And it's like So you're just trying to reframe it because it is the most annoying thing, but I don't want to be caught up in thinking this is so fucking annoying, he's a little shit, you know. It's beautiful, like, I love— he's so beautiful.

Josh: I asked Pete to come on the show, but he had a meeting.

Gemma: Pete does this thing where like I'll say a really nice thing to him and then he'll just send back like this emoji.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you expect from a guy like me? I'm fucking good.

Gemma: I sent him a screenshot of He sent me a screenshot how you were like, oh, do you want to come on the show tomorrow? And he was like, I've got a meeting. And then I replied with the screenshot of me being like, I miss Pete. Can you get him to come on? I had already told him when I spoke to you on Monday, like, I think I'm going on the show this week. Can you please come? So I sent him that screenshot where I've said like, I miss Pete. And he sends back this emoji with soz.

Tommy: Soz.

Josh: Yeah, it's just happened. Like, I mean, there's a resilience to Because I was the opposite. Like, growing up with friends, with dating, I always wanted to be that guy. What guy? The guy that can just— that doesn't enter into whatever anyone else throws at them. So if someone throws— it's like when you, um, uh, when I called you, Gem, and you were like, oh, you didn't write— you didn't write back to the group message.

Gemma: Even though we're doing this, I wasn't going to do this, but I have right of reply because I have been I have been grossly misrepresented and the situation has been grossly misrepresented. I didn't think we were going to do this, but we're fucking doing it.

Josh: I'm sorry I said anything, to be honest.

Gemma: As you should be. I answered the phone not saying, nice of you to call, because that's what you said that I said. Basically, what did you say? Oh, I had assumed you'd lost your phone.

Tommy: One's more funny, one's more bitchy.

Gemma: The other thing was the talk surrounding group messages. Yes, it is absolutely normal and not, I don't believe it's impolite for a group message to fade out. What you neglected to mention was that a conversation had happened and a date had been set. It wasn't just like a—

Josh: I didn't set the date.

Gemma: No, but a date had been set.

Josh: Did I agree to it? Yeah, you're just like, yeah, that's great. I'm leaving.

Gemma: The other thing you said was that I'm on the phone. I made it sound like it was just your responsibility to reply. No, I was pissed off at all of you. It just happened to be that he rung.

Tommy: And you know what?

Josh: I'm the guy that just doesn't really buy into it. Why are you attacking him? Huh? Why aren't you attacking him?

Gemma: I haven't attacked anyone. I just sit on the phone.

Josh: Why did no one reply?

Gemma: My point is I'm attacking you for saying the wrong thing.

Josh: How the fuck have I been attacked when I was the one that hadn't organised anything? This is what I was saying.

Gemma: You came on the show and said all this shit that didn't happen.

Tommy: It fucking happened.

Josh: You just basically said it happened, just slightly different words.

Tommy: No, no, no. I will second not to jump on Gemma's bandwagon. Fuck off. The hyperbolic nature of what he interprets what you said and then repeats it is outrageous. A bit less than that. I've been misrepresented many times.

Josh: I'm sorry that I can't get the exact fucking words you would have said. The words is fine.

Gemma: If anything, what I said was as abrasive. What's the missing bit?

Josh: So I don't remember the exact stuff.

Gemma: There was talk surrounding group messages. You were like, you know what, sometimes group messages just fizzle out and that's fine. Yes, but a date had been set, and then the following day after I sent my follow-up to no reply, he is talking about how he and Breezer had tentatively in their calendar that they would be going out for dinner. And JJ's words was to the tune of, isn't it annoying when you've got something in your diary and then it just doesn't happen because no one's replied to you, and then you just end up sitting at home? Did you ever put it in your thing in the calendar? I've got my diary in my handbag and it says SEVS in big letters.

Josh: I'm actually impressed. So what I was going to say, I've been attacked on my own show.

Gemma: I'm not attacking you. You apologised over the phone and I said apologies accepted.

Josh: And now you're taking away from me. And then you came on the show and kept going. So what I was going to say is what I like about Pete is that you can say all that sort of shit and Pete would just be like, mm, sos. Yeah. Whereas all of a sudden I get upset about it. I get this emotive reaction where I'm like, oh, look, I am so— I started defending myself. I was like, oh look, I was never gonna— I didn't want to go to the club anyway, to be honest. Like, I started getting all defensive. I was like, hang on, okay, step back. You're right, I should have— I should have actually just told you. But then I seem like a big fucking baby because I'm sort of like trembling a little bit.

Gemma: No, you seemed like a baby when you then came on the show and you're like, you know what I hate? A group message.

Josh: I'm sorry, I have a daily podcast and I want to talk about my feelings. I even And one thing I didn't realise after, but I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to say. And Jem says, what do you think? And I panicked. I didn't know what to say. And so I was getting near a truck and it was a little bit noisy. I'm like, hey, I'm just about to get hit by a car. Just give me a sec. That bought me enough time to compose myself, take a breath and be like, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's fine. Anyway, I want to— I just, I would like to care less when I'm being attacked.

Gemma: I mean, I just feel like we're throwing the word attack around. But you know the energy, do you know the energy you bring in that situation?

Josh: Or yeah, in general, do you see? Yeah, because I was calling, I was called, and I was calling to say g'day. Yeah. And so it was a bit much, like when I'm calling to say g'day, I then had to like, I sort of, it wasn't until like the, it was starting to ring where I'm like, oh yeah, we're meant to do that. And so getting that, like getting If I was really guilty as charged and if I really was that way, I would have never— I would have just weaselled and done what this guy did and just sort of like somehow now he's the hero.

Gemma: No, I'm not saying anyone's the hero and it's all good. I just would have loved— As long as he's not the hero. I just— no, no, I just would have loved a like, oh, like, shit, double booked, or honestly not really. What do you think, TJ?

Josh: Can you sort of wrap it up from anyone?

Tommy: You could have just said, oh, fuck, sorry, dear. Wait, hang on. So could you have called me? So could you have called me? No, but I didn't call Gemma and have a conversation.

Josh: That's the whole thing, isn't it?

Tommy: Aren't I better because I did that? No, but you weren't called— you just said you were calling to say hi, not to talk about that.

Josh: Exactly. But I had the conversation.

Tommy: Yeah, but if I had spoken to you, I would have said, ah, fair. I just wanted to set it off.

Josh: So how did it all fizzle out? So you expressed yourself to me. I got everything. I got the full bloody tag.

Tommy: You're the guy that's saying, I don't want to care. See, this is the thing. I don't want to care so much. You would, if you didn't care so much, you wouldn't have felt attacked.

Josh: I was saying I wish I didn't feel attacked, but I did.

Gemma: Okay, you need someone. I wish you had told me that you felt attacked and I would have said I'm sorry.

Josh: If I had said I'm being attacked, there is no way you would have said sorry.

Tommy: Look, I'm being attacked right now, so I've got to go. Okay, is that me? That's actually what you would do. That's the first version of becoming the guy who doesn't care.

Josh: No. Well, you would say, if it was TJ, I'd be like, this is just unproductive. And if any time he doesn't want to hear something, it's just unproductive.

Gemma: I just wanted to know if we were going out. You're the more unproductive.

Josh: Well, it's maybe because Tommy's being unproductive.

Tommy: There's also, I take everything Gemma says with a grain of salt because she's always got a sarcastic tone. You've always got a sarcastic tone.

Josh: So this is the thing. I took your, what you said with no grain of salt. I took it with all seriousness and I took it on and I felt the feeling that you felt.

Gemma: But did you take the planning with a grain of salt, or did you take me saying I am upset that no one is replying to me?

Josh: I didn't take any salt. None of it was a grain of salt. What I'm saying is that through the group message, I was just involved, but I definitely wasn't a leader. I didn't know any of the nightclubs that you were mentioning.

Gemma: I didn't have a go at you though. I was like, why did no one reply?

Josh: And so I think that what we've learned is maybe Josh is a sensitive guy.

Gemma: I will never try to organise anything again. No, no, no, no.

Tommy: You definitely need someone spearheading from both camps. So it's like if you like the Friday night drinks that we did, I was really pushing. Like I didn't have the energy that I put into those drinks for that night. But I was saying— Is this an apology?

Josh: Absolutely not.

Gemma: I don't require an apology.

Josh: Why the fuck did I? I said sorry though. So is that— I just think not to go on about it, but Seb, do you sort of understand where I'm coming from?

Gemma: I understand where you're coming from.

Josh: But I just think if we looked, if we zoomed out a little bit, what we'd see is I understand that you're saying that I didn't need to say sorry, but I did say sorry and I appreciate that. And none of these guys have said sorry, but somehow I'm the one that's creating all the problems. Because you've talked about it.

Gemma: Because you were the one that then came on the show and was like, you're not going to believe what she said to me.

Josh: Was I that bad?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, it was weird. What did I say?

Josh: Where were you when you were listening to that?

Gemma: Coming home from that event where I'd— The night out without us. Yeah, I was actually at Miyagi at the table, like, so weird. I thought we were all having dinner. No, I actually had had a really awful, awful, awful evening and had not been spoken to very nicely. And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to hop in the car and listen to my best friend. You're an angel, so I appreciate that. I'm going to listen to my favourite people and that's really going to lift me up. And I'm like 20 minutes into it and I'm like, yeah, this is good stuff. I feel amazing.

Josh: And then I hear old mate, well, and that's, and to be honest, it's happened with, it's the, it's a thing about having anyone close to you listen, even Bree listening to stuff now. It's like, I know that like she'll say you misrepresented the Michelle. I didn't care about, we were laughing about it and you're saying now you make me sound like I'm a psycho.

Gemma: Well, then I don't know if I'll get in trouble. Can I tell them how I text you after I got home?

Josh: No, I don't remember. What'd you do?

Gemma: Okay, I sent a text when I got home and I was like, mate, like, you took what I said out of context. I was upset because I thought we had all locked in plans and then no one replied. You've taken it out of context. And you were like, man, you sound like Bree.

Josh: I mean, this is what I feel like I'm dealing with though. Like, You guys are— you've— if you— you're both huge rah-rah content. The thing is, these are the two biggest rah-rahs in the business. Gemma and Bree, both in the rah-rah game.

Gemma: We are in the rah-rah game.

Josh: Surely a little bit of podcast rah-rah doesn't hurt anyone. Like, I'm a storyteller. I'm sorry, I can't tell— like, it is fucking boring to be like, oh, even though Bree told me off about the Instagram, it was only a joke. And I don't even know if it was Michelle, but it's funnier saying that. Like, see, that's not funny now. And so now you've made— so, Bri, now you've heard the whole thing. Now I feel good about that.

Gemma: I think the biggest, the biggest learning for me is that next time I would like to organise something with my friends, I will send a calendar invite. Yeah.

Tommy: And there'll be an option. Can I just tell you, for me personally, if you actually bring my wife into the equation—

Josh: oh, so he wants his EA calendar.

Tommy: He says, no, no, no, it's because I can't not have organised a date with my wife and then prioritise getting smashed with Tully.

Gemma: Well, Tully actually did ask, are the girlfriends invited? And then no one replied to her.

Tommy: So yeah, I mean, there's the empathetic view of we don't know everyone's situation right now. Like, it has to really work. Well, it was like, I can't be spending money on a night out getting pissed with you gronks as opposed to the money I could spend with Amy having a nice dinner or going away. Like, that's my situation.

Gemma: Then I would just jump in and be like, sorry guys, no can do.

Tommy: But trust me, if you get onto Amy, she'll be like, I'm in, I love you. So it will happen very soon, and then she'll be driving it like, great, well, Tommy, we're going. But yeah, all right, loving this.

Josh: Okay, so we have partners next. Why don't you just give Amy access to your Instagram account? Sure, but that's an easier way of doing it.

Tommy: She won't even want that.

Gemma: No, because they'd have a problem that you guys have with just hello at the daily talk show and that one person reads.

Tommy: Hi, I've got a question for you, question for you just before we go. Would you have a problem with Chris looking through your phone? Like, nah, no, nah, bit of content.

Josh: You want to do that? Uh, would you give us 2 minutes with your phone now? Yeah, yeah. You would? Oh, great. See, but I would now too, though.

Tommy: But back in the day, yes, but I wouldn't have.

Gemma: Like, please don't go through deleted photos.

Tommy: No, not even.

Josh: It's just more just what sort of deleted photos?

Tommy: When you're young and single, you're just following shit that you probably wouldn't if you were in, you know, a kind relationship. Not even. Like, I think you just build a muscle when you're single of like, it's mine, it's my phone.

Gemma: I don't know, it's like a light pink cover. Maybe it's on the couch.

Tommy: Oh, you got two phones? No, no, no, no, no.

Gemma: He's just picked up my wallet. Oh, there we go.

Josh: Don't walk so heavy, uh, Mason.

Gemma: Let the boy— sorry, Mason. What are you— what are you going to look through?

Josh: I reckon my strategy will be— I'll tell you, do you want to do it? Do you want to thumb it? Deleted photos? No, no, I think— no, so what I, I think for the— I—

Gemma: yeah, I reckon he's looked at my, um, recent calls. That's why I suggest him. Text messages, I reckon.

Tommy: Yeah, how you speak to your partner. Is he searching for— he's searching in text messages. Oh my God, is it Josh?

Gemma: He's searched the word babe, which is only to my girlfriends.

Tommy: Josh, what are you— come on, your message.

Josh: For not replying, says this chickened out.

Gemma: Yeah, because I said to Chris I am not, uh, going out this Friday anymore. Bizarro Josh.

Josh: When did you say bizarro?

Gemma: I found that guy who I thought looked like you.

Josh: Oh, that's right. Okay, this is all pretty cool. Josh is looking— that could have been really hurtful. I don't know. That's what you're looking for. You're looking for like nasty, nasty shit again.

Tommy: Against you. You know, that's not where I'm going. Okay, I'd go to like Tommy.

Josh: I thought he'd be going through Instagram DMs. You've got a lot of gear. Oh, Warwick Capper.

Gemma: Oh yeah, okay, so this is— there's a storey about that. That's a screenshot that Chris sent me. Warwick Capper.

Josh: How much you get into the— who's—

Tommy: go to her, um, search history. I bet you it won't be like, um, he's looking at business browsing. Emily's my manager. Remember all the porn Tully had on her browser? I got none of that.

Josh: Oh, you're pretty good, aren't you?

Tommy: What about if you—

Gemma: Oh, I've just Googled, um, bitch diesel because on Chrissy Salmon Brownie they were talking about that's what, um, the slang for Prosecco is. And rosé is our Portsea water.

Josh: You're pretty clear, aren't you?

Tommy: Um, like, but UDL, Bogan's Mouthwash.

Gemma: He's going through Snapchat now. And so Bogan's Mouthwash. See, that's the group chat.

Tommy: She's not listening to Courtney G. She's feeling stressed about Josh having her phone.

Gemma: No, I'm actually pretty relaxed. There's nothing interesting on here. So this part of Snapchat is all just like ads.

Tommy: What are you looking for?

Josh: You're going to have a little— no, it's just, it's, it's interesting.

Gemma: I just searched for his name in my messages hoping to find something incriminating, and I was just like, there's nothing.

Tommy: If, if you— no one's talking about you. See, the thing is, I was trying to turn your—

Josh: I was trying to—

Gemma: I thought you were just going to go straight to Instagram DMs.

Tommy: A life of nothing to hide is very soothing. Like, if you actually have nothing, she's got to have the phone for that.

Josh: Yeah, nah, that's good fun.

Gemma: Are you surprised that I'm relaxed about it? Were you though?

Tommy: Yeah. See, it wouldn't surprise me if Tully was worried. I wouldn't have said yes if I was worried.

Josh: Tully was showing us everything. What's Tully got to hide?

Tommy: I reckon if you went a bit deeper, there'd be other stuff.

Gemma: Let's have a look at the, um, like, what's your—

Tommy: what's your photo? You didn't even look at her photos. Like, I just think I didn't want—

Josh: out of respect, I didn't want to try and find any.

Gemma: Nudes? No, I don't have any on there. Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing.

Tommy: If people are taking nudes on their phones—

Josh: 10 requests, that's quite good.

Gemma: A lot of them I don't open, um, a lot of business ones because, like, yeah, I think it's really unprofessional when brands approach you via DM, so I don't. Amy follows us. She's really nice. Yeah, anyway, that's good fun.

Josh: Wait, this is all 6 hours ago? Hmm, what are you saying?

Tommy: A radio— she's an influencer.

Gemma: Oh, did you see that story? That was so funny.

Josh: He doesn't have a top on and you did a emoji.

Gemma: It's hysterical if you put the volume up. It's like one of those filters and he's like, oh, I didn't know they liked me.

Josh: It's really funny. It is funny.

Tommy: Anyway, Gemma Watts, thanks for coming on the show.

Josh: It's, it's funny how little iPhone, like being an older iPhone. Oh yeah, this is, it's, yeah, it made everything like, uh, completely different. So it's like swiping up doesn't do what you think.

Tommy: It's exactly what I had the bone to pick for so long with your old phone.

Josh: But now I have it, so I— Yeah, I should probably update mine. Glow Journal, cheque out the Zoe Foster-Blake app. It was great.

Gemma: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, really good. Who's on next week? No one, because I go fortnightly. Next fortnight is Priscilla from Bang and Body.

Josh: Great. What is Bang and Body?

Gemma: She— It started with a like body moisturiser that just went ballistic because Daily Mail picked it up. And now she's got a body scrub and a lip balm.

Josh: And there's more products in the pipeline. Do you put it everywhere?

Gemma: Yeah, you can do your face as well. I don't use it on my face, but it's—

Josh: yeah, in the evening after exfoliating.

Gemma: Correct. Very good. Thank you. It's Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. If you enjoy the show, please subscribe to us.

Gemma: Is there another Friday Drinks happening anytime soon?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, we've got the event coming to the Adventure Club on the 29th.

Tommy: Nope, because I couldn't come to that.

Gemma: Oh yeah, because I was like, I'm in Sydney, and then Tommy was like I don't think Gemma would like it anyway.

Josh: Do you like bike riding?

Gemma: I love bike riding.

Tommy: There's beer too, so you would have— no, but I remember you saying, because we were thinking about drinks that day. What are you doing in Sydney?

Gemma: I've got a wedding. We've actually got two weddings that day, but in two different states. We picked the Sydney one. Okay. No, I'm not crazy.

Tommy: Yes, we will organise some sort of drinks.

Josh: Anything else, Savs, before you go? No. Okay.

Tommy: He's just shaking from all the insults. Anyway, I love you, 7-Eleven.

Gemma: Love you all. Love you all. Bye. Bye.