McVeggie & The Mean Man

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 580.

Tommy: Happy Fat Fridays.

Josh: Can I get a cheers?

Tommy: Cheers.

Josh: We've currently got Coca-Cola. This is Coke No Sugar.

Tommy: I had a coffee this morning with a friend I haven't seen in a long time, and I had a moment where I wanted to cheers my coffee. I was like, that could be a thing because it's been a while. No, not even the while thing. It's maybe just off the back of last night having a few beers, and there was a few cheers. Going on.

Josh: Oh, we did do that. How many beers did you have?

Tommy: Um, 2 and a quarter because I started drinking the third and my wife said, absolutely not, I'm— you're driving home.

Josh: Which is—

Tommy: we got that beer, I just left it to go warm. I didn't pay for it. Tommy D, thanks Tommy D. But I didn't show him. Like, it's a Gronk move to just get a beer bought and let it go cold. You can let it go warm. Yeah. Um, But anyway, it's Fat Fridays today and we're doing a McDonald's one. I was in a meeting just before with the team at PGA. A friend of mine told them Fat Fridays. They said, what do you have?

Josh: As in the golf?

Tommy: No, it's not PGA. Property Guide Australia, I think is what it's short for. They said, what are you having? And I said, the veggie burger from McDonald's.

Josh: Also known as the McVeg.

Tommy: McVeg. And they said, two of the people in the meeting heard good things about that.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: Can you bring it up, please? You know when I only realised that Macca's didn't do a veggie vegetarian option when you became veggo for a month. And I looked into it and they're like, yeah, what am I gonna eat? I actually have nothing there. You could— you'd end up just eating a piece of bread.

Josh: And, uh, we also have our, uh, mate George. George, how are you?

George: Hello, hello, good.

Josh: Uh, you're just sitting on the couch.

Tommy: Is that a Hamish and Andy Perfect Holiday jumper?

George: It is. It looks great.

Tommy: It is great.

George: I wore it last night to try and impress Ryan, but then I took it off. I chickened out.

Josh: Can I just say McVeggie smells like a Big Mac. Yeah, it smells great. But George is a great editor and he used to edit as well. Mainly editor, personality, TBC. But yeah. And so George is working out of the office today and we appreciate him being here.

Tommy: And yeah, he was great to be here. At our episode that we did last night for the fire relief at the Espy.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: What an effort the LadyBrains gals put in to put that together.

Josh: I don't know when you say gals.

George: Why not?

Josh: I guess you can.

Tommy: I can say gals. Coca-Cola have it, the gals.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: So if Coca-Cola can say the gals, I think it's you saying the gals.

Josh: I could say the gals.

Tommy: What am I saying?

Josh: No, I think I, I, I'm better suited But I reckon, do you think I get more of a laugh out of the gals? Yeah, because it doesn't fit you as well.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but that's why I lean into that because it seems dumb coming from me. Why is that though? Why?

Josh: I don't know. No, you just have masculine qualities. So when you say things like when you call—

Tommy: I'm glad because I am a bloke.

Josh: Yeah, but when you say certain things, they trigger moments. Like when you said something about Anna and Caitlin doing a great job, but the way you said it, it almost sounded like you were the groom at a wedding and you're saying, doesn't the bride look beautiful tonight.

Tommy: I didn't.

Josh: Don't confuse me. I wasn't. But what did, what did you, what did he say? Did you hear that? It was near the end. It was like, I said, what a great job, the lady brain. Did you, George, did you hear that?

George: Or no, it was just me.

Josh: You're sensitive. Because then I was like, yeah, I sort of said, oh yeah, you know Caitlin.

Tommy: No, because I said Anna and Kate, and then you jumped to Caitlin.

Josh: Oh, and so I said, yeah, I don't even think it was, was that in the episode?

Tommy: That was in the episode.

Mason: Or was it?

Tommy: No, it was just at the end. Anyway, I was doing some thank yous to the people that put it on. And I mean, we were just the last to speak, which was lovely. And it's great.

Josh: We had Ryan Shelton. That was one of my favourite episodes. I think like the vibe's good.

Tommy: I always like to get the— when I get in the car with Amy after we've done something live, the temperature in the room of the car. I'm sorry. She's like, what do you want from me? Because I kept on saying, tell me about it. I wasn't— I was on stage. I wasn't there. I was It's— I don't have perspective of what it was like. So George, full review next 5 minutes. Start talking. I'm joking. Now, did you enjoy the night?

George: Yeah, I loved it. It was awesome. Um, I thought the girls were great. You guys were funny.

Josh: The gals.

Tommy: The gals, right?

George: Um, I was surprised that most of the conversation was going to be about Ryan's last podcast episode on The Imperfects, but I think you listened to The Imperfects podcast twice, didn't you? Yeah, I loved it.

Tommy: It was a great one.

George: You reckon? Really good. Yeah, but I think it was important that you guys did that because I think, sure, a lot of people in the audience would have got a lot out of it. Yeah, and it was also funny and yeah, it's good.

Tommy: If you have no idea, listen to our episode from yesterday and then go back and listen to Imperfect.

George: Imperfect.

Josh: All right, can we try this burger?

Tommy: Yeah, let's try it. All right guys, simultaneous bite between the four of us in the room, as we do.

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Tommy: 1, 2, 3, bite.

Mason: Wow.

Josh: Can we just appreciate the amount of mayo on my face?

Tommy: That's actually really good. I was telling George before, I haven't eaten beef from Maccas in over a year now.

Mason: Really?

Tommy: I'm proud of that.

Mason: That would have been made last—

Josh: How long's it been for you, Seb?

Mason: Mm, less than 24 hours.

Tommy: The dude that gets fussy about so much stuff, like when it comes to like meat dishes, he'll crumble. Get off your—

Mason: There was a lot of pushing last night.

Josh: Um, yeah, who's leaning in?

Tommy: Was he? No, I appreciate that. He lent in last Friday night when we went to drinks, and he was out with me until the end of the year.

Josh: Can we fix my face? Do you have a serviette?

Tommy: Um, you can fix your face.

Josh: No, I want you to fix it.

Mason: Just wipe it with your hand.

Josh: I want you to fix it.

Tommy: Absolutely not.

Josh: I'm sorry, um, Caitlin, who listens to the show, she, um, gets funny about hearing the sound of food being eaten. Sorry.

Tommy: And George, before you take that bite, what do you think of the burger?

George: It's actually delicious. Yeah, yeah, it's yum. I would have thought it was just a McChicken or something if I didn't know.

Josh: It's not.

George: No, it's not.

Tommy: It's a McVeggie.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Sebbs, what's your opinion?

Mason: Yeah, it's pretty good. I like, I like the flavour on it.

Josh: Yeah, it's the mayo.

Mason: I do just want to say though, it's not strictly vegetarian.

Tommy: What?

Mason: Due to its cooking procedures, the way that they cook it. So it sounds like they're using the same hot plate as the meat.

Josh: That's all right, surely. There's a lot of veggies that won't do it, that wouldn't—

Tommy: but yeah, are also okay with that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Like, remember you go to a barbecue, we can't be that fussy. Yeah, like, all right, just chuck it on with this.

Mason: I mean, same, like, it's not like you— it's not going to cross-contaminate it. Like it—

Tommy: but is that misleading? Like, when you are saying that—

Mason: well, I mean, the chief marketing officer came out and said it from Maccas, so they've really led with it.

Josh: They led with it.

Mason: Yeah.

George: The—

Josh: what's the name of the chief marketing officer?

Tommy: His name's Mick something.

Josh: Jenny.

Tommy: Mick Jenny.

Mason: Jenny Dill.

Josh: Jenny Dill. Okay, and so Jenny, what did she actually say?

Mason: Due to its cooking procedure, it's not strictly vegetarian.

Josh: Oh yeah, that's not them actively coming out. That's a report. That's a reporter asking for a quote. Isn't it?

Mason: I mean, it's all over Seven News.

Tommy: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, is it, is it a big deal? Like, have they made a big deal about it?

Mason: Well, Macca's or the New—

Josh: but what about Hungry Jack's? And what about Hungry Jack's?

Mason: Hungry Jack's does the same thing. They've got the, um, Rebel Whopper, which is— yeah, they cook the same, um, patties on the same plate.

Tommy: So, okay, well I guess if you're at— if that's where you're going for your food as a vegetarian, they're meat— predominantly meat places. So go elsewhere.

Mason: But it tastes good.

Tommy: Or don't be as fussy and have it if you need to. I get it. Uh, lasagne, chips. Yes.

Josh: With nuggets cooked in there.

Tommy: You think they're deep-fried nuggets?

Josh: Like, actually, I worked at Maccas.

Tommy: Did they?

Josh: I think so.

Tommy: They're pretty, like, they're pretty dry, like, they're pretty long.

Josh: They go into the heat thing, like the, um, yeah, which dries them a little bit.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: On the, the whole vegan vegetarian thing, it's obviously very hot right now, you know, which makes sense. We need to be eating, reducing our meat consumption.

Tommy: Well, I think it's hot right now based on climate change is one of the, one of the real heat, you know, one of the real reasons.

Josh: Game Changers as well, you got to say that was a big part, you don't think?

Tommy: Well, I think, yeah, it's gone because it goes through health implications of meat, but then if you just say, uh, then the other bit is beyond the— so there's cruelty, there's health implications for the individual consuming it, and then there's the climate impact. And so that's where it's like, I think these three things go off. Health, yeah, you're gonna die of cancer if you eat meat, but then climate change is, you know, all the shit happening. It's like then we're hard on that. So these things always just peak.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so what's peaking right now is climate change.

Josh: The other thing that's been peaking for a while, Byron Bay.

Tommy: I mean, George is a Byron Bay local.

Josh: Yeah, that's why I bring it up.

Tommy: Is it true your mum owns a bookstore in Byron Bay?

George: Yeah.

Tommy: Is it like in the main—

Mason: The Book Room.

George: The Book Room. There's one in Byron, there's one in Lennox.

Josh: Where's Lennox?

Tommy: Is it her franchise or she owns both?

George: Yeah. Mum and John, my stepdad.

Josh: That's sick.

Tommy: Amazing.

Josh: Because I tried to sell— I bought a bunch of books. Oh yeah, uh, many copies of this. I was trying to start my own sort of small micro bookshop that never ended up happening, and so I actually tried to sell you the stock.

George: That's right.

Josh: Did you ever show your mum the stock?

George: I don't know if I ever passed on the message.

Tommy: Poor effort, George.

Josh: I know, because they're still— I've still got the fucking books.

Tommy: Actually, you've still got the opportunity. What if we go take them up to your mum's bookstore.

George: Oh, she'll love it.

Josh: Um, yeah, but what sort of price? But yeah, what sort of price point?

George: Uh, geez, cost price, $3 a book. Yeah, how many books is it?

Tommy: Now take a hit on it, just under cost price. You have to go under cost price so she—

Josh: yeah, yeah, I think I've got— how many books do we think we've got left? I've got maybe 50.

Tommy: Yeah, I reckon 50 books. Um, so you grew up in Byron?

George: No. Grew up in Canberra.

Josh: That's right.

George: I moved to Byron after school. So like literally the day after I finished school when I was 18 with Mum and I was up there for, yeah, like 5 years before coming here.

Tommy: Okay. And what year was that? So how many?

George: End of 2011.

Tommy: So it was, I mean, it's super trendy in 2020.

George: Yeah, it's like it's changed a lot actually, even since I was there.

Tommy: Like, yeah. So did you come in and call myself like a local? But But did you go in at a time where it was, it was like more hippie? Yeah, it was more hippie. It wasn't as crazy on the summer period.

George: A little bit. It's not really like full-on hippies like back in the '60s or whatever.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

George: There's still a few up there living in the hills and stuff, but Byron town now is— yes, there's a lot of, I don't know, kids and mainstream sort of people.

Josh: Mainstream, yucky, yucky people.

Tommy: When did the Hemsworths arrive? Were they there when you were there?

George: Yeah, yeah, they come into the shop actually quite a lot. Oh, really? Yeah, like $1,000 worth of books for Christmas.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Oh, just recently?

George: Yeah, like a couple of weeks ago.

Josh: Just, just walked in with—

George: Imagine if they had all of them and just went boom.

Tommy: Wow. Nah, you know what he's done? He's gone, fuck, I've just been in Hollywood for the last whatever, 10 months.

Josh: I've lost some brain cells.

Tommy: No, no, no, I haven't got presents for people. I need some quick presents for Christmas. And so she's gone and done the book run.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: It's a good presence. What about Thor? Is he popping around?

George: Yeah, he's got his big mansion there.

Tommy: Have you met Thor?

George: No, no. I think I've seen him in the shop before, but I didn't say hi.

Josh: What do you do when you go to the shop?

George: Just walk around.

Josh: Like a customer? Like, you don't have like a seat that you sit behind there? Nah.

George: When I go up there to visit. Yeah. Nah, just. Well, I used to work in the coffee shop, which was like part of the bookshop.

Josh: Oh, that's tricky.

George: At the front of the bookshop, there's a coffee machine.

Josh: Does your mum run that, or is that another person?

George: What's that?

Josh: Does your mum run that?

George: Yeah, it's still the same, same company. Really?

Tommy: Just diverse, diverse.

Josh: So she, she hires the barista?

George: Yes. Yep.

Josh: Okay.

George: Yep.

Josh: So I guess you'd get good baristas in Byron.

George: Yeah, I was the best.

Josh: But yeah, so you were actually a barista there?

George: Yeah.

Josh: So would you, um, as a standard, make a strong two-shot coffee or was that extra?

George: This has changed now. Like since being in Melbourne, I've realised that because I used to just do a single shot for if someone ordered a latte, I just do a single shot. But now—

Tommy: Can you just confirm, is that a button that you're pressing that is single shot or is it?

George: Yeah, it's a button, but it's also the, you know, the group head thing.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

George: So it is like one spout rather than two spouts.

Tommy: Yes.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: And so now the standard, which is what you're pointing at, in Melbourne and most places now, a coffee you get is 2 shots. But then that begs the question, is, is that the new one shot? So when you ask for, rather than saying a weak latte, you get it running 2 shots. So they've redefined the one shot.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: To be the latte.

Josh: It should have always been that.

Tommy: It should get—

George: it was like hot milk with a touch of coffee flavor.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, so would you be able— would you have to completely retrain If you wanted to do it again, or do you think you'd be able to handle the new rules?

George: When I first came to Melbourne, I was like, I'll just get a cafe job. And, and I did a trial in somewhere in Northcote.

Josh: Where was it? What was the place called?

George: I can't remember. I can't remember what it was called. And, and I was like, this isn't for me.

Josh: So you emailed me just when you arrived.

Tommy: And then is George your Mason?

Mason: Yeah.

George: Yeah.

Josh: When did you—

Tommy: We've all got one.

Josh: But George, a little bastard, wasn't offering free work.

George: It was—

Josh: No, he wanted cash straight out. Well, baby needs to survive. And so you were— You arrived in Melbourne. Yeah. Who did you have with you in Melbourne? Who'd you know?

George: My sister was here and me and my girlfriend came down together.

Josh: Yeah.

George: And I reckon I emailed you like Probably 6 months after I was—

Josh: You waited 6 months?

George: I waited 6 months.

Josh: What were you doing for 6 months?

George: Following—

Josh: I don't know, trying to work out how to fucking make a coffee in Melbourne. Yeah, I'm trying to remember the name of the Northcote place that you've worked at.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And so you, um—

Tommy: He really took it, didn't he, then?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's not funny when you submit— when you don't push back. I just seem mean. Don't you agree? It seemed harsh. I'm not mean.

George: No, that was harsh.

Josh: No, I'm not mean.

Tommy: Or that's his humour by making you out like a mean man.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: You're a mean man.

Josh: If we were to, if you started working out of the office more, if we were at some point to get like a full barista setup.

Tommy: Plumbed in.

Josh: Yeah, plumbed in. Would you, because Eddie Maguire, who got a lot of love yesterday on the show, the— he has a barista that sits or stands in his studio and makes coffees for them throughout the show. How do you feel about being our barista, George?

George: In what show does he do this? In his radio show?

Josh: Yeah, in his radio show.

Tommy: It's not in the studio.

Josh: Yeah, it's in the studio.

Tommy: It's not in the studio.

George: How many coffees are they drinking? He doesn't have someone.

Mason: Yeah, give him any coffees.

Josh: You can have too many coffees. Can you look this up? Because Tommy has just outright said I'm a liar and said it's not in studio.

Tommy: I know those studios. I'd be—

Mason: it is—

George: I've seen it.

Josh: So you're going based on I don't think it would be, and I'm saying I've watched a bunch of videos. Yeah, he's in the fucking studio.

Tommy: Definitely it's an integration.

Josh: Of course it's a gimmick.

Tommy: Is he actually—

Josh: yeah, yeah, I'm guessing they do it during the songs.

Tommy: What the fuck? That's so indulgent. So that's the reason I push back is like it's an airlock studio that's smaller than this, like half the size.

Josh: They probably spent a million dollars trying to get as little sound in as possible, and then they've put What's that sound? That's the water. Can we turn that off? No.

Tommy: Yeah, that's the steam.

Josh: Yeah. Are you okay? No. A bit of indigestion. Uh, so can you find it, Sebbs? I don't want to bully everyone today, but what's taking you so fucking long, guys? I went to sleep at 1:30.

Tommy: Yeah, so you're delirious.

Josh: That's—

Mason: yeah, I actually can't find it. So they call it an in-house barista, potentially.

Josh: Where have you found that information?

Mason: On Triple M's social media page.

Josh: And so if you—

Tommy: Barefoot Investor even mentioned it to us, remember how he's like, that's right, yeah, let's get a young kid.

Josh: So if you go into YouTube, mates, and just type in, um, Hot Breakfast, Triple M Hot Breakfast, you'll find it. You'll find it. But, um, uh, so yeah, I went to bed at 1:30.

Tommy: Um, after the live shows, I'm wired.

Josh: I couldn't— I turned off Night Shift off my phone because I was trying to look at, um, when I saw the photo that, that you took, it was all blue. Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, it must be the Night Shift that's fucking with it.

Tommy: Did you appreciate my pun?

Josh: Yeah, it was good.

Tommy: You liked it?

Josh: Blew it out.

Tommy: Well, there was blue lights from the stage and I took a selfie and it was all blue, and so I thought, yeah, the photo blew out.

Josh: And so, yeah, no, I was wired too. But the, um, across the road from our house is a retail shop And when we, uh, we're on the 5th level in our apartment block, but there had been some, uh, you know, like security, retail security, like they've got like the beep beep beep beep beep, like the, um, oh yeah, security, like if you're taking something out of the store, security tags, yeah, on clothing and shit. Yeah, that one of those was going off all night and we could hear it.

Tommy: That's so annoying.

Josh: So I had to, I played music the whole night. Really in bed to be able to like sleep.

Tommy: So you substitute a sound with another sound?

Josh: Well, yeah, that is like a better quality sound. Because I tried to listen to an audiobook, but the beeping would— yeah, you have to have it so loud to sort of hurt your ears. So I had to play my music.

George: Yeah.

Mason: Anyway, what music?

Josh: I actually used Google Home because it was like late. I was like, ah, I wonder what time it is in New York City? And so I streamed some New York radio. And which is fun because they then like do the traffic, so it's giving you the New York traffic.

Tommy: So did you have any sleep last night, dude?

Josh: Yeah, from like 1:30 I went to sleep and then woke up like so delirious at like 7 or 7:30.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Um, but no, it was great, everyone. It was— I appreciated Pete Shepherd, Tall Gronkh. Um, what I like is we're at the point with the relationship where he doesn't have to pretend that he's happy about something.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: Which is when he's here, like when he's at the event. Yeah, it's just like, you know, that he wants to go.

Tommy: Oh, he's not just pulling—

Josh: he's not like— he's not smiling. I'm just like, oh, you ready to go? Yeah, I've got to go. So, okay, well, thanks for coming. And then as I say thanks for coming and go look over it, he's gone.

Tommy: Yeah, he put in a good effort. There was so many—

Josh: he sure was. Can we just appreciate his custom tailored shirt?

Mason: It's great, wasn't it?

Tommy: I didn't take note of it.

Josh: It, um, what was it?

Mason: Campbell took a few photos of Pete last night.

Josh: Yeah, he looks good actually. Ramble.

Tommy: Ramble, thanks for coming. So lots of great heads there.

Josh: So there's, um, we sort of thought that what could we bring to the event? We thought, well, 97 can film every, everyone. Yes. Um, and Ramble came, which was great. Turns out though that as 97 was filming, Ramble was hanging with him a little bit and just, uh, when was it?

Mason: Well, so I was checking the audio and it was just before Gemma's, uh, panel.

Josh: What was the banter like with the audio people, by the way?

Mason: Yeah, they're lovely.

Josh: What did you talk about?

Mason: Uh, just like not, not really, not really knowing how to like set up like limiters and all that. I was just like asking him about it.

Josh: They clearly didn't do a limiter at the start. For your one, it was a bit distorted.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Oh yeah, but yeah, I mean, you blew that out.

Josh: Well, that was my fault. I wasn't on— yeah, that was a limit. That's the point of a limiter.

Mason: Yeah, yeah. Still, so there was— anyway, no, just audio banter.

Josh: So you were short— yeah, like lining— we're like, oh, XLR line in.

Mason: Yeah, but I don't know what I'm talking about.

Josh: So did you think that they knew that?

Mason: Maybe.

Tommy: They sound—

Mason: probably not. I, I sort of like— yeah, I just lent into it.

Josh: I feel like it up.

Tommy: Anyway, you're going somewhere with this, and then we still are.

Josh: This is the show. Welcome.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Gotta use time.

Josh: Any more audio?

Mason: Oh yeah, sure. No, anyway, yeah, so no, so while, while I was over at the audio thing just checking levels and making sure it was recording and all okay, I— Jem's thing started, and then I got back to the camera and realised that it was pointed slightly in the wrong direction.

Josh: Slightly in the wrong direction.

Tommy: I saw, so I, I can tell you where I come in in this story. My eyes were looking at Seb's when he jars this camera, like, like fucking jabs the camera and just moves so fast.

Josh: He doesn't even like— you didn't even unlock the bit.

Tommy: I was like, I thought, that's unusable. Like, if it's one locked off shot, you gotta pan at least, just give it a little bit of a pan so it's like usable. But it makes sense now that the shot was wasn't usable and he was punching it into a usable position.

Mason: Anyway, I was like, oh, this is weird, someone's knocked the camera. And I was just— I just mentioned it to Pete. I was like, oh, the camera's been knocked. And Pete didn't really bring it up. And so Ramble came over and I was like, oh man, oh, so annoying, someone went and knocked the camera. And Tommy, you came over and you're just like, oh yeah, some dickhead, just like I was telling you, oh, what a dickhead. That's what you were saying. I don't think Ramble was there.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: And then, and then Ramble came up and I was like, oh yeah, the camera's been knocked in. He's like, oh, that was me.

Tommy: Fuck. And then Ramble—

Mason: Pete was there just like pissing himself in the corner.

Tommy: Pete didn't rat. Pete knew, he didn't rat.

Josh: No, no, he did, he did, he didn't rat until after.

Mason: Yeah, I mean, not ratting, but yeah, he, he really jumped on board when, uh, Ramble came out and said that he knocked the camera.

Josh: I mean, so what's the learning? I mean, he bought a ticket, he was supporting them.

Tommy: I know, I know.

Josh: You can't get up there. He took photos.

Mason: He did take photos.

Josh: He did beautiful Insta stories.

Tommy: I don't really care.

Mason: Yeah, it's low level.

Josh: I don't give a fuck if it was an actor. Lucky it wasn't a paid gig. Paid gig? Well, we wouldn't have had 97 on the camera if it was a paid gig. No, but George found that very funny, you being on the camera on a paid gig.

Tommy: So is Gemma's foot usable at all?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Because I corrected it.

Tommy: Except for the moment where you Jared.

Josh: So there's like the first 3 minutes.

Mason: Yeah, a couple minutes. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Well, you know, it was a great night. The, the green room was nice.

Tommy: The green room was lovely. And so we got lovely access. I mean, it's so funny when you're doing an event that's for charity, but then you're getting access to all the good stuff, like a green room with a fridge full of beer and.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then food.

Josh: Oh, you paid for the food though, didn't you? The pizzas.

Tommy: So I went—

Josh: listen, are you kidding me?

Tommy: Listen, I went down.

Josh: We need to call them and pay.

Tommy: Listen to my story. I went down to get us pizzas, a pizza and some chips for the green room, and I spoke to the woman and said, hey, this is what I wanted to order, some food just for up there. I was like, no, I can't do that, can't do the— like, and because there's the thing about the SB venue is there's— I said to this beautiful venue, I said 'Uh, do you know where the green room is?' They're like, 'Yeah, just upstairs, go through there.' I walk up, I'm like, 'This isn't the green room.' Turns out there's a bar called The Green Room. It's green. Oh, that's called The Green Room.

Josh: At, uh, SCA, they had The Studio, which, which was a, which was a space but not a studio.

Tommy: It was called The Studio.

Josh: It was called The Studio, but it was where you'd have meetings.

Tommy: But they also have— yeah, they had studios.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, they got rid of that.

Tommy: And so I was in the green room that wasn't the green room that I was wanting, but I found the green room where you guys were. And so I said to this woman, we're up in the green room, but she's like, look, I'm gonna have to cheque if we can even do this. Went off, I went up the stairs, I waited for 5 minutes. I don't know, it's just different areas. Spoke to some manager and the manager came out, was like, yeah dude, all good, what are you after? I was like, oh, blah blah blah, pizza. 'Chips?' 'Yeah, no problem.' I'm like, 'Yeah, but I want to pay.' 'No, no, I want to pay. Like I said, we're doing this charity thing. Like, I want to pay.' Yeah. And he's like, 'Nah, all good, all good. Don't worry about it.' Well, you're like, 'Uh, sorry, I meant 2 pizzas.' No, but I was like, 'That's nice.' It was lovely.

Josh: I thought that we may have missed it, so that was—

Tommy: no way. The way that you told the story, the first person, 'Can I pay for it here?' Like, I made sure Massive gronk move doing a charity event where you're not willing to get your card out.

Josh: It's definitely— yeah, there's definitely a, um, there's a heightened tension around that, right?

Tommy: Well, you don't want to be called out. Well, yeah, but you don't want to be cancelled.

Josh: Yeah, that'd be so annoying.

Tommy: Had a margarita, you got cancelled over margarita chips. Well, we did chips.

Josh: We got called out for— yeah, we get this beautiful green room. Hannah and Caitlin have done a fantastic job. They show it to us, they're like, this is your green room. And that was it. And they went in there and we're hanging in the green room.

Tommy: They got their green room.

Josh: Yeah, they've got theirs. Ryan Shelton came into our green room and we were having a beer and as you do in the green room, having some nice chats and I sort of said, oh, like, I guess like Bree was texting me saying, oh, your dad's here. Yeah, she'd come down and say hello.

Tommy: So we're away from the action and there's a bit of action happening.

Josh: Yeah. And I just thought, oh, look, I think there's something about like the, like just the energy of just arriving and being there rather than sort of the floating around. I just remember school production days. You didn't want people to see you in makeup. And so we were staying and that was fine. And then Ryan said, oh, should we, we probably should go down. Do you think we should go down and watch everyone else?

George: Yeah.

Josh: I was like, oh yeah, yeah, no, that's what I was thinking too. And, and so we sort of casually walked down And then as we casually walked down, Anna and Caitlin were on the microphone saying, oh, now we're just waiting for the Daily Talk Show boys before we can get started. And then they were like, oh, just gotta come down and sit down. And, you know, in that moment when they said come and sit down, there were some chairs on the stage. I was about this close from sitting on the stage when what they were saying was get in the front row because you're going to be called up.

Tommy: Yeah, very funny.

Josh: And so, but it was good so that we were called out and there was a little bit of embarrassment because it was very much about like hope you're enjoying the green room. I wanted like, there's a defensiveness in you that's like, I didn't even want the green room. I didn't ask for the green room. Like I was being polite having the green room. We wanted to pay for the pizza.

Tommy: But imagine if we had come down when we were just meant to go on stage.

Josh: Oh no, it wouldn't have been able to happen. There would have been a— well, because I think even 97 said, oh, did you just have to slap smash the pizza? Like, did you have to just quickly eat it? I was like, no, we were taking our time. We didn't know that like And I understand, like, definitely we wanted to see everyone. Yeah, it's important to support and all that sort of thing. Uh, yeah.

Tommy: How much of it is, how much of it is your anxiety around going down there? Because I went in sort of quickly between getting that pizza and then coming back up. Yes, I went in and snuck a few hors d'oeuvres, a few little canapés, and said hi to a few people, and everyone was like, where's Josh? Even Britt, where's Josh?

Josh: Well, so yeah, and so you throw me under the bus by doing that.

Tommy: I'd prefer if you stay in, but I, I just wanted to go go and say, I think, like, I'm cool with that.

Josh: Yeah, I think 97's good at mingling because then they can say, where is Tommy and Josh?

Tommy: Yeah, but then so you say I need a— because I want to be down.

Josh: Oh yeah, well, I guess so.

Tommy: I want to get amongst it, but I think there's probably—

Josh: maybe we need to define show roles where it's like, you're the, you're the warm-up guy for me, you know, you're just sort of warming up the crowd.

Tommy: Even your dad was like, where's Josh?

Josh: Of course he was. You had to cut him off because he said, oh, you know why? Climate change. I was like, Dad, what are you doing? You've had— you know, we're at a— we're at a fire relief fundraiser. We're raising money here.

Tommy: Can you—

Josh: and he's like, now— he's like, now don't get me up on stage. Dad, rest assured we're not getting you on stage. If anything, you're, you're half a beer away from getting kicked out. But it was great. I really enjoyed that. They came. My brother Jake was there. It was a good, a good crew.

Tommy: Yeah, it's great.

Josh: I got to do my bit.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, he definitely got to do Nando's bit, which is the thing you do at every live show. How did you feel about it? Because if you watched yesterday's video, you see him. I was taken aback when you stood up. Oh yeah, firstly I'm thinking Mason's fucking shot. Focus, focus.

Josh: Did you have to change focus? No, no, no, I think it worked well.

Mason: Yeah, it was wide enough.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, but I was worried, I was worried. I was like, he's really going hard on this. How'd you feel about it?

Josh: I feel great. So I think, um, you're right there with the ice, you've got none left. Um, no, I felt really good. I think that probably what I was hoping for— so I did my bit, and so it was an in-joke what you could have maybe done is said, that joke was because we MC'd a Nando's thing and this, this, this, and then— but you didn't.

Tommy: It's funnier.

Josh: So I'm not going to— I didn't— I wasn't going to say, oh, the reason I did this bit was because of this. And so you just let it hang there.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And so then, um, I mean, George, did you get it?

George: Yeah, I loved it. Did you know it was coming or I did. Did Ryan?

Tommy: I didn't know I was coming with that much gusto.

Josh: And so I said—

George: Ryan's reaction was so good. He's like, wow.

Josh: So that's, that's his shtick. Well, because the thing is, when we were in the green room, I said, now, Ryan, I do this thing before. And Tommy's like, no, don't tell him.

Tommy: No, it's much better if people don't know. You need to not know because everyone who loves our show and is there to support us gets it. And the people, other people are just left confused, but they're just Yeah, and they're all participating, putting their hands up. It's amazing.

Josh: Rob Ward was saying that he said he had to explain to 2 people next to him what was happening. Yeah, yeah, but I think, um, for something that only connects, I think so.

Tommy: The fact that people have to— it's like people say don't do in-jokes. It's like, nah, but if you get people in on it, it's big.

Josh: But you didn't.

George: I had to explain to my girlfriend. I was Pretty hard to whisper in her ear, like, what the joke was.

Josh: How do you whisper? So how do you— if you were to whisper, do— what did you say? What'd you say?

George: Oh, because they, um, they emceed a gig for Nando's, and then that's how we would have done it too, to be honest.

Tommy: But, um, I think it's funny because then they're just left a bit confused, and then we did some fun stuff.

Josh: Do you think it just takes away Is there— because I guess Bree, Bree always, she, she says things without saying them. She's like, I'm like, how did you think it goes? Like, oh, you mentioned Nando's a few times. Like, that's the feedback. I'm like, so is that, is that good or bad? So I think just some people were confused. I was like, were you confused? She was like, oh no. I'm like, okay. I was like, did every— like, were people re— because it's hard to see what people are reacting, but My thought behind it is it's the psychology of public speaking, right? So you need to engage quickly, you need to get people interacting. And what I did was I wanted to create a high status for us. And so what I did is I stood up, and so I made myself bigger on stage, and I came to—

Tommy: Was that you thinking, or you just—

Josh: No, literally, that's what I did. So I'm like, I read, I read it, I think it's in Impro, the book.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And so by moving, and also I think Michael Bungay Stanier talks about it too, about standing and sitting and the power of that. And so by us starting sitting and saying, it's the Daily Talk Show, and then all of a sudden standing, the crowd's like, what's going on here? But then the bit that I haven't dialled in is if I think I need a better bit when I stand up. The Nando's bit is where everyone got lost. If I'd done something where it's like, ah, I don't know, maybe we could have done a live auction rather than a silent auction. Maybe like, because then I'm standing and pointing.

Tommy: No, we don't need you to fill time with that auction.

Josh: Well, Bree said that one of her favourite bits of Ep 500 was the raffle.

Tommy: Yeah, but that was, that was a fun thing that we did at the end of the show. It wasn't leading into a 20-minute episode.

Josh: We could have done a raffle for 20 minutes.

Tommy: We could easily fill a segment with a raffle for 20 minutes. But I think the, the fact that people are confused, I think it adds to it. People are trying, they're thinking, you're forcing someone to start thinking about what is he talking about, why is he talking about Nando's, I like Nando's, but what is that? Oh yeah, I, I'm a mild guy. Yeah, you have, it's this weird thing where you're just forced to participate.

Josh: George, did your girlfriend put up her hand?

George: Yep, she was hot. Yeah, and he still is.

Mason: You agree?

Josh: Yeah, you were mild. Yeah, mild and wild, as we call him. Wild George. Or we just call him Mild. Mild's back in the building. What do you think about Mild as a name, as a nickname?

George: Yeah, it's not, not great.

Josh: Have you had any nicknames in your life?

George: Uh, just like G-O-G, Curious Georgie.

Josh: Curious. Who said curious?

George: Me. Yeah, that's good.

Josh: George.

Tommy: Curious George.

Josh: Who's George?

Tommy: Who's that?

George: A character?

Josh: Yeah. Off what?

George: It's a TV or something, right?

Mason: It's TV. It's like an animation thing.

Tommy: Like a children's show?

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: You still watching it?

George: No.

Josh: We could call— Do you think you're quite curious, George?

George: Uh, yeah, reasonably. I mean, probably no more than anyone else.

Tommy: Nah, he doesn't hold it as a quality for himself.

Josh: Nah. So you're not curious?

Tommy: What is it if you were to have a nickname? Like Something around the editing stuff, your skill set. Bookshop George.

George: Oh yeah, that's good.

Tommy: Bookshop George.

Josh: What, that's good? You don't like any of the others but Bookshop George? You don't even own the bookshop.

George: Yeah, and I don't really read books either.

Josh: That's why it's funny. Yeah, yeah, Bookworm.

George: Bookworm, that's good. I like that.

Josh: Bookworm.

Tommy: He likes a bit, he likes it. He's a fair bit. He likes it except for the barista.

Josh: If we were able to get Coffee machine. A coffee machine. Even it could just start with the Moka Master.

Tommy: Just my, my parents have a coffee machine that's not plumbed into the wall that you still need to do the—

Mason: You just have a tank. You just have a tank in there.

Tommy: Yeah, there's, there's a silver one, like a, like a stainless steel looking one. Breville? No, it's like an Italian style brand.

Mason: I think it's a Rocket.

Tommy: Oh, you've got one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my uncle's got one, I thought, and I was thinking that, and then you've got the same one. Yeah, that's a legit machine.

Mason: Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty full-on.

Tommy: Yeah. And so if we got George on that, then we start charging guests for their coffees.

Josh: Could be a gold coin, gold coin donation, and we put the money somewhere.

Mason: Caitlin says, here at Venture IP, we have a barista who brings us coffee when we order. I just had one brought to me, not gonna lie.

Josh: Oh, this is outrageous. The show brought to you by Venture IP. What does it take? What does it take for us to, uh, get one brought to us? Yeah, maybe we could. Maybe in the Tesla.

Tommy: Yeah, we don't have that pool yet.

Josh: Um, But we could definitely, if we do a show from there. So I, uh, you were talking to Caitlin from Venture IP. What are you looking at, Seb?

Mason: No, sorry, Scooter Derek, maybe Mr. 97 could confiscate the cup from the table. What cup?

Josh: This cup?

Mason: Those two cups? Is that what you're talking about, Scooter?

Josh: What's his problem?

Mason: I don't know. Also, Bianca says, I feel like there'd be a great alignment for Nan— Fernando sponsorship on this show.

Josh: Oh, definitely.

Mason: Especially after last night's performance. Bianca.

Josh: Thank you. Absolutely.

Tommy: I think you draw up a sponsorship doc and yeah, definitely should be able to do that.

Josh: Um, what did you just chuck? Was that your cup? That's a bit dangerous. Um, yeah, no, so I think that we could definitely do, you know, so we have Ventura IP. The other day we mentioned, um, I wanted to do one from their server room. What's that called?

Mason: The data center. Server room is a bit hard, considering they've got rows and rows and Yeah, it's not quite a server room.

Josh: Uh, yeah, it's called a— what did you say it was called? What did we call it?

Mason: Data center.

Josh: And so I said it'd be great to do a show from the data center, right? Sevs?

Mason: Oh, Scooter Derek means hide it from Nando's.

Josh: Okay, yeah, sure. Derek's thinking about the brand.

Mason: Yeah, good.

Tommy: Maccas aren't in competition with Nando's. Different kettle of fish.

Josh: George, what do you think about that?

George: Um, yeah, no, I reckon different.

Tommy: Different.

George: Nando's and more Hungry Jack's.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: A Porto's, if anything, are trying to go against there.

George: Against Nando's.

Tommy: Yeah, it's not, it's not the same.

Josh: What's the, what's the one that— oh, do you know what we could do? Nando's v. Chargrilled Charlie.

Tommy: Different kettle of fish. One's a small business of two restaurants, the other's a juggernaut franchise. Chuck E. Cheese is like going to a local establishment.

Josh: I wasn't talking about your business models, I was talking more just the quality of the food.

Tommy: Completely different.

Mason: What about Grillz?

Tommy: I've spent time— I went to Chuck E. Cheese a bunch when I lived in Sydney. Great establishment, but nothing like a—

Josh: I've never been there.

Tommy: Nothing like a Nando's.

Josh: What's the difference?

Tommy: Well, it's— Nando's is closer to being one of the— not fast food, but it's a chain of restaurants that has a specific style and consistency across the board, which you go to one of the Chargrilled Charlie's. I think there's only, only two.

Josh: There's, I think, one in Sydney, one in Melbourne.

Tommy: But it's like a, it's like a charcoal chicken.

Josh: It's like, it's like, oh no, it's a top-end charcoal chicken. So it's like a Fox's Den.

Tommy: Exactly the same. Exactly. But scale, it's huge. It's like Oprah's been there.

Josh: Which one? Chargrilled?

Tommy: Chargrilled.

Josh: But they've only got two. Yeah, but Surry Hills, the scale of that. Okay, so they're like a Messina.

Tommy: No, because Messina's got shitloads of them. It's a small business.

Josh: How many Messina's are there?

Tommy: There's, um, Melbourne. There's a few in Melbourne.

Josh: There's two in Melbourne.

Tommy: There's a bunch in Sydney. So it's a different business. Do they—

Josh: I feel like Byron Bay has a trampoline ice cream place. Is that true?

Mason: So the Chai Girl Charlie's, they've got heaps in Sydney.

Tommy: How many?

Mason: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 11. What? Sorry, 13. 11.

Tommy: Hang on, where?

Mason: It's, uh, in Sydney, uh, Surry Hills.

Tommy: Is there one? I'm just trying to make sure it's the same.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Surry Hills.

Tommy: They've scaled since I lived there.

Mason: Middle Cove, Lane Cove.

Tommy: I still don't put them on the— they're not Nandos. They're not— they're, they're the superior charcoal chicken. If you wanted to get—

Josh: what about, um, you get your salads like you can pick?

Tommy: I want that beetroot one. I want that.

Josh: Well, is Nando's similar? I don't know why we're playing this game, but I'm enjoying it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Is Nando's like a schnitzel? Better, but similar.

Tommy: Similar. Yeah, same playing field.

Josh: Or just because they don't fry it.

Tommy: Up there with the Guzmán y Gómez. Like, that's their— this— that's the player.

Josh: They're really— Guzmán is higher than Nando's.

Tommy: I'm talking for Mexican. Like, if you— Guzmán y Gómez are the best Mexican, I think. And so what I'm saying is, yeah, they're up there. And so chicken Nando's are up here.

Josh: Yeah, sure, they're the real— So I think Schnitz and Porto are neck and neck.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I'm judging you if you're at a Porto. I don't know many people that rock a Porto other than through a service station driving down the Hume.

Josh: I thought that a Porto was sort of— my experience was they were the fancy KFC.

George: Nah, Portuguese. It's expensive though. What is a Porto?

Josh: I mean, for what it should be.

George: No, no, for what it should be.

Tommy: It's like, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Oh, new vegan burger.

Josh: From where?

Tommy: Porto? No, don't give them that. Don't give them that. Anyway, so we're talking about doing it from the data centre and—

Josh: Oh yeah.

Mason: So yeah, sorry.

Josh: No, we were, um, uh, yeah, data center. That'd be great. All these racks, server racks that look great. You were saying Caitlin has said absolutely not.

Mason: No. So she So the problem is the security is too tight on the data centres so that they won't let people into them.

Tommy: So it should be, right? Like, that's— it's like, yeah.

Mason: And so they're not going to let a couple gronks come in and record.

Josh: What if we don't bring USB sticks? We're not downloading any data.

Tommy: Can't we just use a green screen with some server racks behind us?

Josh: Oh yeah, that's a funny idea.

Mason: Yeah, well, no, so I think, I think Venture IP I'm sure they'll have a couple of server things at their HQ.

Tommy: I reckon I could find some better looking stuff than a few server racks running their internal comms system. I'm just making shit up, I have no idea what a server rack even does, but I know that they do.

Josh: And so you— can you tell the plush— what was the plush?

Mason: Uh, oh, so Caitlin tried to bring in one of the plush toys and they, they were just the dinosaur. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're, um, Ventrosauruses. I think they call them.

Josh: But you're a full brand evangelist, aren't you? Soon you'll be wearing a cape.

Mason: You know, they have— no, you should see their massive one that they have at their door. It's huge. It'd be cool.

Josh: Like made out of—

Mason: anyway, so it's like a plush toy, but massive.

Tommy: Okay, absolutely not. We're doing a show from there.

Josh: And so, but the plush toy, what happened with the plush toy?

Mason: Well, so she, she tried to get it in, but they weren't super keen on letting her.

Josh: Security wouldn't let a plush toy into the—

Mason: I think she got in with data center. She did. Just real weird looks like, um, not sure.

Tommy: Well, because it could be USB and it's bumhole.

Mason: I mean, yeah, that would be—

Josh: you think you would get that from Alibaba?

Mason: Did you see the Edward Snowden movie? He was like a Rubik's Cube or whatever, and he like threw it to the bloke as he went through the security scan. That's it. And he had the, um, little micro SD card under the, um, one of the labels on the Rubik's Cubes.

Josh: I mean, guys, our website's public anyway. Download it if you want.

Tommy: I, uh, was in an Uber once speaking to a guy who worked in cybersecurity, um, for the big bank, and he was telling me about their server location. It's out in Nunawading or somewhere down there.

Josh: And I was saying, was there a moment where, like, because I've had a few of those, you have an Uber driver that has crazy amounts of intel. Yeah. Is there a little bit of your judging being like, mate, I don't know, like, you're currently—

Tommy: this— no, he, he'd spent time, like, he—

Josh: there's nothing wrong with being it, but it's more the fact that, like, I'm gonna tell you, like, uh, you are giving out crazy amounts of information with a lot of authority.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it's what— when you feel empowered after working for a company for so long, you can just talk and you got, you got no alliance with them anymore because you got your, your severance, you got your payout after being cut off after 20 years, and he doesn't give a shit. And he was telling me that— I said, do people— because that's where they hold all your information, and, you know, NAB Bank or whatever. Put in your details, it's got all your security, like whatever, your name, your account details, it's all stored out there. And he said to me, because I said, do you— do people hack the banks? Like, is that ever happening? He's like, never. No one's hacking the banks. It's always inside jobs when anything happens. The system, the firewalls and whatever, they're too— they probably get hacked, but they don't get hacked the way I was asking him. And he's like, it's always like someone's fucking let someone in or someone's brought a bloody USB in a dinosaur's ass into the service centre and plugged it in.

Josh: You know what's interesting? I was looking at our like firewall that we have set up for, like I think it's called Wordfence.

Mason: Yep.

Josh: On our website and it shows you how many attacks have happened across their whole network. And I've created a great story. So I saw the graph and it's sort of like standard, standard, and then there's a big peak. That's like the start of January. It goes up heaps, like heaps of extra attacks. Anyone want to have a guess what I think it was?

Tommy: And so this is taking— this is from everyone who uses their service?

Josh: Yeah, so any website, like WordPress websites, essentially using this, they had an increased amount of attacks early Jan, what do you think it was?

Tommy: Uh, New Year's resolutions, people signing up for shit, paying for stuff online, getting people at that point.

Josh: I'm guessing, but I reckon Iran.

Tommy: Was that when it happened?

Josh: So the— that's a big call. Yeah, I mean, I'm not in that sort of diplomacy game, but you're in the bro science game. Exactly, gronk science. But the, um, no, the reason I say it was because if you look it up, '97, there were like, what is it called? Like councils, like the equivalent of like low-level government websites that had been defaced.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: With Iranian stuff after Qasem Soleimani was killed. Yes. You happy that I remember? That's good. And so I, my guess would be that a bunch of independent people, maybe also connected to the regime, was actively attacking American websites, whether that be businesses or, uh, so Iranians, Iranians would have been doing the attacks on American sites. Yeah, or it could have, yeah, it could have been like proxies, like proxy, um, like cyber teams. What do you think of that?

Tommy: I mean, I don't mind it.

George: Yeah, it's good.

Tommy: It's good. Stands up for George.

George: I'm a bit lost, but yeah.

Josh: What do you mean you're lost? Yeah, I mean, this is interesting. You listen to the show all the time. Did that not make sense to you?

George: Yeah, no, not really.

Tommy: So I've landed on a website that started playing like German, old German music, and it would be— and someone had hacked it and defaced it and put some banner and there was some writing I couldn't read.

Josh: And it was like, happened with me with like Turkey, a Turkish website.

Tommy: That shit happens all the time. And so what Josh is saying is after the US attack Iran, there's people in Iran that do these attacks on American websites.

George: Yeah, I get you.

Tommy: To just— it's like, I don't know what they get out of it.

Josh: What was the difference?

Tommy: What people even get out of it? People are going, why would they do that?

Josh: Why do people protest?

Tommy: Why? Yeah, but why do people do it on these sites? Like, what are they personally getting?

Josh: Well, because I'm guessing they just run like automated things which basically says, okay, uh, go and look up every website forward slash wp-admin, uh, if that—

Tommy: and you're losing people at this point.

Josh: Okay, all right, so imagine forward slash wp-admin.

Tommy: I get it if you've ever used WordPress, right? But if you go—

Josh: if you go forward, let's just simplify. If you go forward slash login, and we're going to run a database of 10 million websites. Now if it's forward slash login, then try these different brute force Brute force methods. So you could say that the website—

Tommy: Sleep, it's crazy, man.

Josh: Yeah, big night.

Tommy: I get it.

Josh: Do you get it?

Tommy: We need a cyber—

Josh: No, you said you understand cybersecurity expert. I'm literally giving you what they're going to say.

Tommy: So I want someone who can hack. I want someone who actually can hack.

Josh: I could hack.

Tommy: You couldn't hack.

Mason: You couldn't hack.

Tommy: Oh, when Sev says it, what could you— It's got more weight than me because I've got no idea.

Josh: So I was I could social engineer your credit card details. Or sorry, your mum's credit card details.

Mason: My mum's credit card details?

Tommy: Just ask Mason, he knows.

Mason: Yeah, it's on my phone.

Josh: Oh, just Apple Pay. Mate, show us your face for a sec.

Tommy: Can I eat your chips?

Josh: Yeah, I'll have 2 more.

Tommy: Okay.

Mason: No, I was just looking at some of the analytics that they provide, and I do want to say there have been no attacks from Iran on our website, so—

Josh: Not on ours.

Mason: I know, but no, no, okay, across their network. Yeah, okay, but you would expect to see at least one in ours if they've got a massive We haven't done anything to them.

Josh: Why would Iran be attacking us personally?

Tommy: Because you just said that the Iranians are going after it.

Josh: That hasn't— that's not a negative narrative that I'm— I'm just saying that, yes.

Tommy: Who's deciding on that?

Josh: I just think this isn't against us versus Iran, and I'm very clear on that, Seb. So I don't like where you're taking it, but if you look If you look at the whole network outside of us, don't make it about us. Let's see, we're gonna have to have this conversation.

Tommy: No, it's actually pretty boring. But anyway, last night was fun. Yeah. And Seb, uh, we got an email of someone who couldn't make it to our event last night. Thank you to, um, Michelle Torreville, who also couldn't make it, and Dylan Torreville, who—

Josh: yeah, they can't make it because they're 13,000 kilometres away.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Do you know how I know they're 13,000?

Tommy: My friends. Yeah, I said, I do know you don't.

Josh: I've got Dill.

Tommy: Dill, 3D Dill couldn't make it, and his mama and him, they bought 2 tickets and Gemma Watts gave them away.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And then we also got an email from Emma. Emma, who couldn't make it, lives up in Queensland, I think, but wanted to get behind the Gronks and support the fire relief.

Josh: So what you were suggesting, because we were thinking, uh, we could put a donate thing on our Facebook group admin, all that sort of stuff. We thought, how could we get the same effect? Craig Harper, our mate.

Tommy: Craig Harper, our mate.

Mason: If you go onto his Facebook page, mates, yes, he's got Craig Harper's Bushfire Fundraiser.

Tommy: It's awesome. And so he's already raised a bunch of, bunch of thousands.

Josh: And so we'll put it in the face— our Facebook group.

Mason: $4,700.

Tommy: So good. And so Uh, we've had a bunch of our friends do this as well. Quad Lock raised a shitload of cash. But we— so what we'll do, um, if you wanted to come last night but you couldn't make it, but you would also like to still donate, it would mean a lot if you got behind, uh, Craig's event, which will be on our Facebook group and our Facebook page.

Josh: Is it a national event?

Tommy: So sorry, sorry, the—

Mason: no, no fundraiser. Okay, no, it actually is. I'm just reading the description. So it's gonna be a bit hard for Emma, but it's a 2-hour workshop.

Tommy: Okay, so we've just done the exact same thing. Yeah, we're looking for— well, so how about this? We're gonna have a— on our Facebook page, a link to donate. Won't be necessarily ours.

Mason: We're gonna piggyback on someone else's donation.

Tommy: You can piggyback and help theirs.

Josh: Get out the Quad Lock one.

Tommy: I think it's stopped. Let's see.

Josh: Anyway, we'll work it out. We'll work it out.

Tommy: But if you still want to donate and you— and you got some cash, because as we learned last night from someone who was on the ground, Lana Wilkins, A reporter for Channel 9.

Josh: Cash is king. Cash is king, not cash is trash like Grant Cardone would want you to believe.

Tommy: In a meeting today and someone said cash is trash.

George: Really?

Tommy: And I said Grant Cardone. They went, yeah, who said that? Friend of mine, but it wasn't anything to do with the way Grant says it.

George: What was it about?

Tommy: I can't remember, but it wasn't— he just, he just knew that Grant says that bullshit.

Josh: He's being funny. I like it. Yeah, it's a Daily Talk Show. If you've enjoyed the show, leave us a podcast review. 5 stars is appreciated. What are you smiling at, Surf? Words of wisdom.

Mason: Bianca's just said Iran is cancelling the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: They could easily cancel us.

Josh: Yeah, it'd be so annoying. God, but I'm doing so much research. Um, yeah, they can do that. Uh, George, how would you like to finish the show? What do we normally say? You can end it for us.

George: Oh, you want me to end it?

Josh: Yeah.

George: Have you done your live read yet?

Josh: Yeah.

George: Oh, you did?

Josh: That was me when I was like, uh, when I was eating and I said about Venture IP and the, um, uh, the fact that you can get shared hosting, uh, 50% off for the first year, just use the promo code TDS. So for people who don't know Venture IP, it's, uh, web hosting. So it's like if you're wanting to get a website set up They've got a bunch of other stuff too.

Mason: Yeah, domains, VPSs, they do G Suite hosting, email hosting.

Josh: Yeah, all that stuff. And so you can, you can get all that there and they're based in Melbourne. Great 24-hour support. Anything else, George?

George: No, I think that's pretty much it.

Tommy: All right, George, so thanks for being here. We'll still—

Josh: I think we're working on your name, working on it so he can finish it.

Tommy: All right, George, finish off the show.

George: Thanks for listening, guys. Uh, we'll see you tomorrow.

Tommy: It's good.

Josh: Bye, guys. See ya.