Tommy's First Drink

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, it's The Daily Talk Show, episode 570.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: Uh, it was very funny the other day when Bri and Amy were in and they impersonated us. Yeah, yeah, it was great because Amy did the whole, what's happening, guys? What's going on?

Tommy: Did she nail it?

Josh: Yeah, very, very good. Um, hey, with the Adventure Club, what do you think about golf?

Tommy: Don't ever suggest an adventure to me that involves exerting, exerting 4 calories. There's a fair bit of calories in walking.

Josh: No, but I think that— you don't think that's fun? I mean, we could potentially get access to a good golf course.

Tommy: Oh, true.

Josh: You know what I mean? Like, I've always wanted to play at some of the nice golf clubs.

Tommy: I mean, I wanted to get the Adventure Club choochin' so that we can— I was thinking about like, how can we sort of use it as leverage, but getting the Gronk Squad able to do shit we're not normally allowed to do. So that, like, the playing at a golf club, like, at one of the best— there's some of the best in the world in Victoria. What's his name?

Josh: Um, Tiger Woods.

Tommy: Tiger Woods. They all— no, there was someone who was like talking about in Cheltenham near my mum and dad's place, one of the best golf courses in the world. I don't know about that.

Josh: What's it called?

Tommy: I don't know. Royal. Royal.

Josh: Oh yeah, that's Royal.

Tommy: Royal. It's the— so there's a Sand Belt, which is the Royal Melbourne Golf Club.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: But is that— is it that one though? Is that a part of the Sand Belt? So run— running from like Cheltenham or like all the way down the coast?

Josh: I'm not sure. I don't know locations. But when I was, uh, 13, I nearly flipped a golf cart at a, uh, prestige— it was at Eagle Ridge Golf Club. And I've got footage. I need to find it. It's on a VCD. You know what a VCD is? Nice.

Mason: I was about to ask, what's that?

Josh: So a VCD was, um, DVDs were a thing, but they were expensive to burn DVDs.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And you needed a special DVD burner. And so if you had a CD-ROM burner, you could burn VCDs, and then you could play your VCD movies and stuff on like your PlayStation 1. Yeah, the The DVD player would play it, but it like some of them would play it. But anyway, so I had all my old home movies were VCD. Look up how many megabytes a VCD would hold because I remember having to compress things so much to be able to like, what's a CD-ROM? How many megabytes?

Tommy: Does anyone even have a CD-ROM in their computer anymore? Like other than sort of work laptops, they still got it?

Josh: Nah, probably not, actually.

Tommy: There's no need for them.

Josh: I mean, was the last time, do you remember burning things?

Tommy: Oh yeah, I can't remember the last time I burnt something.

Josh: Like putting it in an MP— you had the option of either making an MP3 CD where you would need a special like, um, CD player to play it, but if you had like a sick car, you would be able to play CD— MP3 CDs.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So the last time I used a CD in a CD drive was when I was— Apple, I think maybe someone else's done it too. If you've got a device like these new MacBooks that have no CD drive and then you've got a computer that still has a CD drive, a laptop, you can install from one computer to the other a CD. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Josh: Did you know that?

Tommy: There's no need to know it, actually. Absolutely no need.

Josh: It's good to know.

Tommy: It's good to know that what it was like in the old days.

Josh: Uh, anyway, what I was saying is on the VCD that I have, it's got the footage of me nearly flipping the golf cart because we're filming, and you can just hear my friend's grandpa say, 'Ah no!' As I'm sliding into the screen because it was really wet, and I was like, just— it was awesome.

Tommy: Uh, so in answer to your golf thing, potentially I'll have to take it up with, um, the board and the members.

Josh: Chairman Rick. Does Chairman Rick— does he like golf?

Mason: Uh, nah.

Tommy: Rick's Mr. 97's dad.

Josh: Yeah, Chairman Rick.

Tommy: Uh, Mr. Conspiracy Jimmy, my best mate, loves golf. He's He's got right into it. Really loves it.

Josh: I worry about, um, just my back.

Tommy: Don't worry about it.

Josh: Just being like, just having the mobility. Like, I just feel like I'd potentially be a, um, a little bit stiff.

Mason: If you ever warm up, you'll be fine.

Tommy: Look, if the golf ends in the clubhouse drinking beers, I'm up for it.

Josh: So we haven't spoken about that yet.

Tommy: No, I haven't.

Josh: So, uh, 2019 you were alcohol-free?

Tommy: 365 days. Actually, I went this morning. I went, so I drank for the first time on the 3rd of January, which, yeah, 365 days.

Josh: Why did you wait a few days? You felt that it was a bit desperate if you didn't?

Tommy: I had no reason to.

Josh: Like, you never do though.

Tommy: I know, I had no reason to. This, the day after, there was no event. There was, there was beers in the house where I was.

Josh: I only just discovered this, this year, that there's a big movement around the day after New Year's?

Tommy: Oh yeah, bro.

Josh: What's that called?

Tommy: New Year's Day. It's like huge parties.

Josh: Yeah, because I assumed that, um, you know, it's New Year's resolutions, drinking less or whatever, like being a bit healthier. Bri and I were sort of like on our 10,000-step walk, and, uh, as we're walking, we just saw everyone at the bottle-o.

Tommy: It's a huge day. And I have New Year's Eve. Yeah, much bigger. I haven't— I don't know. I never—

Josh: I did it.

Tommy: I did— no, I haven't done it. I literally haven't done the going hard on the New Year's Day. It's too destructive. My friend, I saw him post on the 4th that he just recovered from New Year's Day and his escapades that went down.

Josh: What's it?

Mason: Which man?

Tommy: Can't tell you. You could probably guess, but I won't tell you anyway.

Josh: How's Fitzie going? He had his back surgery.

Tommy: Oh yeah, he's fired up on Facebook at the moment.

Josh: Is he, um, is he walking?

Tommy: A friend of mine had back surgery. Fitz, if you're watching, love you. Hope your back's doing well. He's walking. It was a non-invasive back surgery. It's good. I'm gonna catch up for a beer with him at some point. Um, anyway, so I, so I had a beer for the first time and I was a bit nervous.

Josh: What you were gonna do? Just get your dick out like at the pub?

Tommy: I was civilized. I was at a pub, Ju Gyeong, which I said that we Drive and stay out on the way back from Sydney.

Josh: This is the place that someone even Instagrammed us about it.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: By the way, no, Seth, can you— I can't keep a track of what's happening in the livestream. Is anyone writing to us?

Mason: No.

Tommy: Joogeeong is—

Mason: Troy joined though.

Tommy: 3.5 hours from Sydney. And so you can either do the sprint from Melbourne and get there, which is, you know, 6-something hours, which is, it's a fair crack when you've got a kid. We did it that way once and stayed. That's how we discovered it. But then we did it. So we left sort of 1 o'clock in the afternoon and drove and stayed there. So we drove 3.5 hours, stayed the night. There's a great park.

Josh: Had you booked somewhere already?

Tommy: Yeah, I booked it the night before. Get this, I called and they said, oh, would you mind emailing us? Like emailing through your booking?

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: I was like, okay.

Josh: With credit card details?

Tommy: And then they sent back and said, can you email me your credit card details?

Josh: No.

Tommy: I wrote absolutely not.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, I said, I was like, I just don't feel— I just said, I don't trust you. No, I said I don't feel comfortable sending over an email. They said fine, and I paid when I got there.

Josh: Surely they know that, like, they're just taking the piss. Because the thing is, imagine how many credit card— like, they're an establishment I want to hack their system.

Tommy: They are not. Yeah, so it's not that I'm worried about them sharing it. No, it's bad.

Josh: It's going to get hacked. You should definitely try and Um, no, don't hack them, but they were definitely— you'd want to target those people.

Tommy: It was a Gmail or something. It was like a—

Mason: oh really?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, like it's a, it's a small town and so they're doing their best and the rooms are $120 a night and they're everything you could need. There's a pool and Bodhi loved the pool and then we went down to the pub.

Josh: It was actually set up, the pool, like it was like all clean and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, it was really clean.

Josh: Indoor or outdoor?

Tommy: Outdoor pool. It was, it was lovely.

Josh: Is it like a motel where it sort of has It's like surrounded. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. So it's like, uh, one side of a square. Yeah, it's like a, yeah, one side of a square missing. And there's just like, yeah, it's like a U of motel rooms and there's a pub at the front. But we went to another pub and, um, got a bit nervous about first drink. I don't know why, but then I had it and sure enough, the beer made me feel pretty relaxed.

Josh: Do you worry about, um, when you drink about the whole driving thing?

Tommy: Drinking and driving.

Josh: Yeah, I didn't want to say those things together. It sounds irresponsible. But no, don't drink and drive. Because when 97 and I went to, uh, Gemma Watts, uh, her party for New Year's Eve, and Bree was texting him, what did I— what did she say?

Mason: She says that, I didn't think I'd have to let you know, but Josh told me that she's— that Bree's going to be the designated driver.

Josh: Because I felt that, like, we said to 97, hey, we'll drive you. Bray said, I've told 97 we'll drive. I said, have you explained that you're not drinking? Because I sort of had this convo around, I'm gonna get blotto and get ready for it, Seb's like, I'm gonna get so loose. And so I didn't want him— I had tequila.

Tommy: Doesn't mean you got loose.

Josh: Did I get loose?

Mason: Nah, no, you didn't get loose, but It was fun. You were funny.

Josh: But I'm always funny.

Tommy: That wasn't inferred when he said that, Mark.

Josh: Little prick.

Tommy: Um, so no, don't fucking drink and drive.

Josh: Yeah, no, but so, but how much can you, uh, drink?

Tommy: 2 beers.

Josh: 2?

Tommy: No, not even 2 beers now. It's like, because, uh, I went through a booze bus.

Mason: What?

Josh: All the way, I just threw them, just fucking drove straight through.

Tommy: So you can only have Like one standard drink and then probably a little bit more.

Josh: Well, you texted me, you're like, hey man, like, because I was like, hey, I need— I was trying to access something and two-factor authentication, it sends it to TJ. Hey mate, can I have this? And you like just went through a booze bus.

Tommy: Yeah, so I couldn't write back, um, straight away. But the booze bus in Sydney, and I haven't seen this, I've been told that if you watch RBT you'd be aware of this, but tell me if you knew this. The awkward situation, the guy I pull in, I'm like, oh yeah, haven't drank in almost a year. I felt like I wanted to tell him Like, you won't get anything here, mate. No, I didn't though, but I almost did. And then he just pulls out his thing, he's like, all right, mate. And he holds it up to my face and I'm just like, um, what do you, what do you need me to do? He's like, just keep talking. I was like, oh, what do you, what do you mean?

Josh: He's like, all right, we're recording a podcast.

Tommy: The, the breathos aren't the stick anymore, you just literally just talk into it. He's like, count to 10 and you can talk into it. And so it's much easier.

Josh: You sure it was a booze bus and just a guy not taking the piss?

Tommy: He must have thought I was such a fucking idiot.

Josh: No, I think that's—

Tommy: it'd be pretty— I said to him, mate, I'm from Victoria. I've never seen this before. Geez.

Josh: Wow. You know, I'm getting— so is it in Victoria as well?

Tommy: My brother reckons it is.

Josh: Okay. Interesting. You know, I know a bunch about Iran now.

Tommy: I'm learning stuff. You're our Iranian correspondent.

Josh: Yeah. I'm trying to remember the guy who was killed's name.

Tommy: I was watching Ben Shapiro last night.

Josh: I really, yeah, quite hyperbolic.

Tommy: Oh yeah, terrorist.

Josh: He is a car something and then syrup. Anyway, I was watching a documentary. So illegal to drink booze in Iran.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: Because it's, you know, Islamic Revolution, they're Islamic state.

Tommy: It's not the same in Dubai. There's some places you can drink.

Josh: It sounds very expensive. Like we saw our mate Josh Klein. Did you see how—

Mason: did you see that?

Josh: You had 2 Coronas and there was 2 other drinks, but yeah, energy drinks. Was it 170 or something? 140 bucks?

Tommy: Yeah, $140.

Josh: Ridiculous.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: But anyway, if you're going to drink, you wouldn't sort of go to Dubai necessarily. But fun fact about Iran. So whilst people aren't allowed to drink, when they do booze, like a booze bus, it was something like 9 out of 10 people were drunk in Iran. Yeah. So, like, so there was a— Can you look that up and see if that's a fact, Seb? Because I was watching, I was watching this documentary and the guy was like driving and he's like, oh, my favourite thing to do because he's sort of like, oh, you know, I, I go against a lot of the rules, blah, blah, blah. But my favourite thing to do is like drink and drive.

Tommy: Drink and drive.

Josh: Drink and drive. So he had like a drink open and he was driving. But I think there was something like a million people drink in Iran.

Mason: Over a million people in Iran consume alcohol regularly.

Tommy: And it's illegal.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. And it's illegal.

Mason: Police arrested 2,900 drunk drivers last year.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: So, that's pretty crazy, isn't it?

Tommy: I mean, it's like getting—

Josh: So, it's illegal.

Tommy: It's like getting done here driving on cocaine.

Josh: Yeah. It's pretty full on. But yeah, go on, Seb.

Mason: $60 fine.

Josh: It's pretty low level. And so, the other interesting thing is they have a beer, like a, what's it called? A non-alcoholic beer. Oh, yeah. And they were showing some, like a lot of the young people. So, one of the interesting things about Iran is that I'm just going to talk about some Iran facts throughout the year. But—

Tommy: We'll just listen to anything I'm saying.

Josh: So, there's a huge contradiction in society where it's like in some ways they have these really conservative values. However, there are also heaps of young people and like just doing whatever they want and doing parties and stuff like that. They have like these forests where people like go to and they're drinking and they get like playing whatever music they want. And so, there's a little bit of like a blind eye turned to some things. Whilst being very conservative with other things. So people drink, like, when they're in their homes, they can get fucking pissed. And like, like, they, they were, um, these, uh, journalists pretending to be tourists, and they were filming, and they would go to a party. It was almost like they were going the extreme end where it's like, like, with booze, marijuana, like everything.

Tommy: I mean, when you totally legalize— no, um, when you totally ban something, do you think people really want to do it more?

Josh: Yeah, well, it felt like some people maybe just smoking or whatever because it was just—

Tommy: they weren't just— cause, yeah, just cause. So yeah, anyway, I was drinking just cause, uh, I managed to tell two people at the venue, oh, that it was your first drink. Yeah, it came out of me. I was like, fuck, you know what I'm like. I just had to tell, tell a guy and his wife. Yeah, I made a joke about that. I'm not an alcoholic, you're not seeing me relapse. Something like that. It might have been nerves or something.

Mason: What did they say back?

Tommy: Oh no, we didn't think so. What you would say back to a weird guy that's just said that.

Josh: So you're almost my first drink. You're like me in LA.

Tommy: It's over now. That was the first time. I fucking—

Josh: maybe I've hung around you too much.

Tommy: Not now. It's— trust me, it's only novel when you've only been drunk once.

Josh: Well, sorry, you weren't even drunk.

Tommy: No, I wasn't even drunk. And I went to the pub again. To catch up with Conspiracy Jimmy. A couple of days later, it's the 7th of January. I've drank twice this year, and it's— and, um, and don't give me a hard time about it.

Josh: And so beer both times?

Tommy: I've actually got in my diary, um, that I want to reach out to someone to book in a beer with them. This is nothing like— I'm—

Josh: you feel bloated?

Tommy: Not at all, not at all. I've been eating really late.

Josh: What have you been training most days, just so you can keep those drinks coming? I mean, What are you drinking?

Tommy: I've just drank beer.

Josh: What? Which beer?

Tommy: It was a Bad Shepherd Victorian Pale Ale.

Josh: Is that the whole name or was it Bad?

Tommy: Yeah, Bad Shepherd is the brewery and the Victorian Pale Ale is the beer. And the first one I had, I was worried. The first beer I had, hadn't tasted it before and I was like, oh, I went for it. It was a Four Pines Pale Ale, a summer ale. Sorry. So it's like a bit fruity. It was Awesome. It was a good way to come back. But what I, I think there is definitely, because I had a bit of a, um, I had a blow-up with Amy.

Josh: When you were drinking? No, no, no.

Tommy: When we got back, I had a bit of a blow-up with Amy because we drove, we did the stint, which the next day after having a few beers, drove all the way back to Melbourne, 5 and a half, 6 hours or whatever, with stops, and Bodhi was screaming, and it was just and I was driving. I was tired by the end of it. And we got home and I— and Bodhi had his car, like this little car, and he was screaming like he's just insane.

Josh: How big's the car?

Tommy: It's just this little car, you know, size of a couple of iPhones. And I threw the car through the door and I was like, come on, let's go in. And I threw it and it hit the wall. And Amy's like, is this because you're drinking? Oh, I was so triggered.

Josh: What'd you do?

Tommy: What do you think I did?

Josh: Blew up? No, I, I punched the wall.

Tommy: I leant into it. I Mr. Nice Head.

Josh: Leant into the wall.

Tommy: The whole wall. I just, it didn't do anything, but I just threw it in. I was triggered that she had used the exact reason why.

Josh: No, so what's the, um, what, what is the car made out of? Is it heavy?

Tommy: Oh no, it's a little plastic Catboy car. It's, it's just—

Josh: can we— do you know the model number? I just want to see what it looks like. Like, is it a heavy— if you're not heavy, so you never throw the car.

Tommy: No, the thing is, Amy was just trying, thinking that it was like, oh, he's been drinking and now he's throwing the car. My point was, I'll fucking throw the car all the time because he's so annoying. Like, Bodhi can be so annoying after 5 hours in the car.

Josh: Funny thing to say for someone who's not— I didn't say that, but I said, you know what, I'd fucking throw this car any day.

Tommy: I wasn't drinking. I had— I was completely sober. The point was, I was just like, you've, you've obviously— you've used the fact that I had one, a couple of drinks last night, as you've connected me just being annoyed with Bodhi to that.

Josh: So the answer was, nah, I'm just, just being me.

Tommy: I was like, okay. So then I, I I think about that and I was—

Josh: I think about that.

Tommy: And he apologised and I—

Josh: she apologised because you were triggered by it.

Tommy: Well, I said you'd trigger— like, I said I found that offensive because you, you know that that would like obviously be something that you— like, you're trying to get at me.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. For someone who didn't drink for a year. Yeah.

Tommy: And it's— I'm not the guy that doesn't have self-control.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like, I had a year off.

Josh: I could imagine that bit, like, because all of a sudden you're just a target. You don't put your undies out to wash. It's like, are you drinking? But in fairness to her, I have never fucking put my undies out to wash. We know this is a thing.

Tommy: In fairness to her, I probably have in the past at times fucking been a bit over the top after drinking. Yeah. And so what do you do?

Josh: What is your personality when you drink?

Tommy: My personality when I drink is—

Josh: because we had that domain and it has lapsed, but we had whenidrink.com.

Tommy: When I drink, I think there is— I have done things drinking that I'm not proud of. So like, I've been more aggressive towards Amy. I've used language that I wouldn't use when I'm sober. Like, so I'm— so I don't— I, I understand how she can say everything when you're sober.

Josh: What, what words did you use?

Tommy: That's swear words.

Josh: You always swear.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but towards more aggressive swear words. Yeah, yeah. So it's like aggression in the tone.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: When I say fuck off That kind of show and say, it's completely aggressive and hurtful versus just swearing. Some people find helpful.

Josh: But do you remember the first time that you swore in front of your parents?

Tommy: Oh, I've been swearing since I was 2, dude. I like, it's something I'm— we're lucky that we've created this thing that we can just do what we want, but it's— yeah, it's no good. Like, it's no good.

Josh: Just, I remember saying the C word in front of mum or What'd she say? No, well, because she'd called me that before, you know, your little C or whatever, like when she's really, really angry. And I just remember we're on the way to Dandenong, um, basketball stadium, and we're just going on the, uh, like Heaverton Road going onto the Monash Freeway. I said something, I dropped it. I just remember, you know, like the parents can do, like, I can't remember what it was. I just remember— no, no, I just remember saying it and I just like I just feel like, um, yeah, like when parents, like, if you've done something really bad, they almost like can dislocate their arm so they can reach at the back and start fucking hitting you. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that happened.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, so I was triggered. That was all fine, talked about it. The point—

Josh: what was the learning?

Tommy: So here's a learning that I've connected to it. The drinking, I think the next day, what you can lose is a level of mindfulness, being connected to how you're feeling and not being controlled by how you feel. So there's— I think that you can be irritable, you can be less patient after you've had a session of drinking the day after. You're tired and you just can't put— like, there's a shit— there's like, you're putting up with shit metres here when it's usually up here, which is a level of mindfulness when you're up here because you're you're being conscious and you're not sort of entering into the shit.

Josh: Did you, um, uh, I just had a thought. Did you watch Oscar, um, Matt D'Avella's editor? He did the video of him interviewing his drunk self. Oh, so he did the sober and drunk and then—

Tommy: yeah, he actually got really pissed and then interviewed himself.

Josh: Great idea as a concept. But what about the idea here? If we struggle with mindfulness, how do you feel about us 3, getting drunk, and then we have to use the Waking Up meditation app. Well, you try and meditate.

Tommy: Yeah, for 10 minutes or for longer? It'd be fine. You could easily do it though. There's no— there's nothing.

Mason: No, you'd probably fall asleep.

Tommy: You probably would.

Josh: How much have you been thinking? Because that's— because I'm day 7 of the meditation. Good work, dude. Thank you.

Tommy: Fucking good.

Josh: Um, I feel like I'm hacking the system a little bit because I'm really focusing on my breath.

Tommy: That's exactly— that's mindfulness.

Josh: No, but he's like, you know, don't try and push it about.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah. So Mr. 97 pointed this out when he first started using the app last year, and you said exactly that. My problem is that when I— when he tells you to focus on your breath and then he says find the rhythm where you lose the thought about the focus on the breath, and your point was like, that's when you start thinking about it. That is the point of mindfulness meditation, that you are becoming mindful of what is going on and the process. So you're just finding the anchor point of your breath is the thing that draws your attention. So you can get like the tickle when you, when you can feel the sensation when you're drawing air in and out. And that is just to shut off the other thought processes. So it's like just trying to hone in. It's like a high level of attention to a certain area. But then you're saying when you're like, you, you then think about how much oxygen you're getting. But at that point you're just gonna—

Josh: why are you also obsessing over— I like try and predict when he's gonna say you've got a minute left.

Tommy: I do that, I get there.

Josh: But this is— I, I like breathe out, I'm like, okay, I reckon 3, yeah, 2. It's like, oh, okay.

Tommy: But what you should realize, yeah, it is what you've done though is you're now aware of when you were trying to game it or fight it, which then is that in itself, the recognition of that, what you're doing is mindfulness. And so the thing with the drinking bit is like the next day I understand that for me I will be probably more irritable. I can't, like, I don't drink like I used to. I can't, I know I can't go and get wasted like I used to and wake up and be with Bodhi and Amy. Like, it just doesn't work like that anymore. I don't have that freedom, not even freedom. I just don't have that. I don't even have the desire to do that shit anymore. But there is a level of being more mindful and being more conscious of what's going on after drinking or something like that.

Josh: On the drinking thing, you know, John Safran, when we had him on, yeah, he was talking about drinking. Do you remember that?

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And we're talking about that he's— he was— someone was saying he picked up—

Mason: oh, what about the bit where he picked up a bottle, or his dad gave him a bottle of wine They called him an alcoholic.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: So he's talking about that bit.

Josh: Well, no, he, yeah, he was talking about, um, there was a few things. He was talking about the booze thing. They were saying about the 3 bottles of wine a night to be considered an alcoholic, which was specific to one study.

Tommy: Yeah, because he wanted, he was saying, can I be a part of this study? They were looking for a person that drinks a lot, and he said a couple of glasses a night, and they said, oh no, too little. We need people that are drinking 3 bottles a night.

Josh: And so we're talking about, um, uh, weight, and then we're talking about alcohol, and he was saying how he's going on the trip.

Tommy: I wonder how it's gone.

Josh: He told me.

Tommy: You've been messaging him?

Josh: He literally messaged me. He just randomly messaged me on the 28th of December.

Tommy: That's great.

Josh: Lost a little over 2 kgs rafting, expected to lose more, to be honest. More cigarettes and gin for me. Appetite suppressants, or at least appetite, uh, distractions. What's— oh, sorry, distractions. Yeah, that's so funny. So there you go. I said, did you end up drinking your gin, and did anyone else bring booze? He said yes and yes. So there you go. But I love the fact that he took the effort to give me an update on his weight loss because I love that. Okay, so drinking, uh, it's interesting. Yeah, I'm I can't decide. I think this whole booze thing, like, I— there's a part of me that wants to have it as a quirk. Yeah, as in that I just drink wine. I love wine, red wine. Not that much of a fan of white wine.

Tommy: You're just going to be mindful if you are drinking too much and you can recognise it, you got to slow it down. Yeah, you can't— I was thinking about, like, I don't even know why I got to the point Like, it wasn't have some sort of serious thing that made me ghost. No.

Josh: And so then I'm like, you can throw a car at a wall or anything.

Tommy: Look, when you say it like that, it makes it sound like a real car. A little car.

Josh: Um, hyperbolic.

Tommy: But yeah, it's just, yeah, more mindfulness. There's nothing wrong with that.

Josh: And so is there certain restrictions you're going to put on it? And do you think it's off— obviously now it's off limits, like Amy can never use the alcohol thing as a way of connecting the dots.

Tommy: No, yes she can.

Josh: Yeah, she will.

Tommy: Yeah, no, she can. I think that she's got the right, but I think it actually keeps me in check. She's a partner that is account— I'm accountable to her and Bodhi, and so it is good that I've got these things. I just found a good reset.

Josh: Do you think part of it, maybe it's like, hey, maybe when you drink you've got to be on better behaviour the next day? Like, potentially you need to be like, hello everyone. Like, you need to put it up.

Tommy: Like, if you're gonna drink, you need to accept the fact that the next day, suck it up, that it's like, oh, I'm cheery as fuck. Yeah, exactly.

Josh: How did I go? Um, so I didn't realise yesterday when Bodhi came in, uh, gave him some shortbread.

Tommy: He's on a diet, dude.

Josh: Is he really?

Tommy: He could have been. I probably was.

Josh: There's no— don't put your two, two and a half year olds on diets. Unless they need it. But, um, no, the— so the shortbread— gave him shortbread, and then he was going absolutely crazy. And then your mum turns to me and says, oh, it's because of the 4 shortbread Josh gave. And I was like, for one, who was fucking counting, Joanne? I was— I surely wasn't. Um, but then I, I then reflected on how I approached the whole situation. And so my approach was— this was my thought process, you can tell me whether it's right or wrong. So the biscuits just gave it to him because he asked them, and I just— he was happy every time I gave them to him.

Tommy: Can I just rewind one year, less than one year? Josh wanted to be the guy that hands out biscuits to my son. So whenever he's literally— it's training a dog, and the dog is now barking and saying, biscuits, Josh, biscuits, Josh. So Bodhi comes in, wants biscuits, even if there's no biscuits.

Josh: And so I found Scooter Derek had given Gemma Watts some shortbreads on the show for the Christmas episode. Gemma forgot them. And so when Bodie was asking for biscuits, I'm like, shit, I'm gonna have to use the emergency biscuits.

Mason: You were excited.

Josh: Yeah, because I forgot about them. And so that was exciting. But then what I realised that I did when Bodie started to cry I then use the part of my brain that is connected to if you are being assaulted, which is— I heard people say, just act absolutely insane. If someone is trying to attack you, just go, ah, yeah, yeah. I thought with Bodhi crying and being upset, I'm like, I'm just going to like I'm going to cry and be more upset than him and see if he can see how ridiculous it is.

Tommy: And so, how'd that go for you?

Josh: Well, we both ended up just crying, and then he left. Then I looked like, no one picked me up off the couch. So, it didn't really go anywhere. So, I mean, yeah. I mean, so, why didn't that work?

Mason: Because—

Josh: Or did it sort of work? Do you think it helped or did it sort of escalate the situation?

Tommy: I get what you're meaning. There is a time that you can use that. And it's when he's doing a fake cry. Like, he might have been more emotional, he had a big day yesterday, but sometimes he does this fake cry.

Josh: Big day as in he shit all over the path, is that what you mean?

Tommy: Yeah, he shit outside, went for an adventure with grandparents.

Josh: The Adventure Club going strong.

Tommy: But there is— so he does this thing where he goes, and he's starting to pretend cry. He does his face, but it's complete fake cry. And so I start doing it, and then he stops and he says, no, I cry.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: Yeah. So it's a complete— and then I say, no, I cry.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: No, I cry. And so we lose the fake crying. But so that's when that works.

Josh: And then he throws his towel at the wall and it's like, good job, don't show your emotions.

Tommy: No, no. But, um, yeah, don't act like that around my son again, please.

Josh: And don't give him a bullshit. No, well, we don't have to worry.

Tommy: It's a gronk move. It's a gronk move, to be honest.

Josh: Be honest. Gotten rid of the biscuits.

Tommy: Do you ever buy some more biscuits?

Josh: Uh, we're gonna have to wait a year because they were Christmas biscuits, unless we can find someone special. Uh, before we go, let's see if there's any— anyone, uh, on Facebook.

Mason: Troy says, that's exactly what I will say when I start drinking again.

Josh: Troy, what, what was it? What were we talking about?

Mason: Uh, around Tommy going around to everyone saying that he's been drinking.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, uh, I got the message when a friend of Amy said, it's getting boring now that you're talking about you don't drink. So I was like, I actually feel this weight off my shoulders, guys.

Josh: Yeah, we like, so, um, I used to be in radio and they're like, we've heard that too. It's like, well, but there is—

Tommy: so another observation just quickly is on the intensity of thought you give it. As a thing when you don't drink. And I was going— and I'm— I mean, this is all a completely different— like, being an abuser of substance is a completely different area than what I think I was in. But I still think the level of thought I gave it was like outrageous.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And so I feel a bit lighter when I'm not giving it the thought. Not saying I just willy-nilly just drinking every day, like, it's not that. It hasn't gone into that.

Josh: Safe in your own skin, maybe.

Tommy: I feel confident that I can just fucking stop for a year because I did it. Does it? Like, I can't— it's not an issue.

Josh: And so you don't have to talk about it, that's your point?

Tommy: The point is that it doesn't feel like it's really the identity, which is good, which is kind of—

Josh: well, that's the whole thing. That's what like any radical change feels like, it becomes an identity thing.

Tommy: And that's like, you need to make it your idea.

Josh: Like, I think naturally, if you don't drink, if you don't drink, like, I guess there's options. If you're a vegan, there's vegans who just like do it Or there's vegans who it's like, I just need to double-check on that bread. Like, is that bread?

Tommy: I mean, these are the memes, but are you really vegan if you don't mention it?

Josh: Yeah, that's like— but I think, yeah, so I think there's something, um, in that around the identity thing, which is like, okay, now you can maybe, you can move on from that and find what works for me because maybe I needed to give it up again at some point. So if I—

Tommy: because I'm not a beer drinker Yeah, I mean, but you just haven't drank enough beer, my friend. I was not once a beer drinker, but I wasn't a beer drinker.

Josh: Yeah, no, but I just think that it's—

Tommy: no, I, I— when you probably had a VB last time you had it.

Josh: So the thing is, so this is my thoughts around pushing beer. So beer is, uh, like it bloats you. Yeah, like it just feels heavy. Is that the equivalent of being like, mate, Just drink it! Just have thick shakes?

Tommy: No, no, not at all. You've just had—

Josh: you've just not had a good thing? Not at all, mate. You should just have a Friday night get thick shake.

Tommy: Not at all, dude.

Josh: Just us and the boys will go to the pub and have a thick shake.

Tommy: Nah, not at all. It's— you drink, it's a lot of liquid but it's not—

Josh: it's just like water, okay?

Tommy: Not like you drank a lot of Thick Shakes. Okay, that's the difference. And so when you say like yeah, do you understand where I'm coming from? I understand what you're coming from, but the liquid is not thick-like.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Thick shake, so it is water. So it's just—

Josh: why is all the bloke—

Tommy: when you smash a soda water, you drink so much soda water, it's like, oh yeah, that's what— that's all it does. But then you're actually feeling drunk as well.

Josh: So if we were to go out on a Friday night, do Friday night drinks, like, I can't—

Tommy: Jordan Michaelides would be there.

Josh: Oh yeah, if I can get around it, we can actually find this.

Tommy: Should we do it? Should we do a drinks— should we do a drinks catch-up, celebrate the new year? We'll just get together, we'll go to a bar. It's not, it's not some big event.

Josh: It's this Friday, Friday the 10th.

Tommy: Is that the Friday the 10th?

Josh: Uh, Friday the 10th, and, uh, we will make it. What's the pub next to the corner? Just—

Tommy: oh, Stomping Ground.

Josh: No, no, no, the one on the right. Oh no, that's not the closest one. We've got to go to it.

Tommy: That's the one that's not an establishment where you want to go. Because there will be people that haven't left that establishment in 14 years.

Josh: But that's a good vibe, no?

Tommy: Nah, Stomping Ground's better.

Josh: I know, but Stomping Ground's so rah-rah.

Tommy: But we're rah-rah.

Josh: We're rah-rah now.

Tommy: Okay, okay.

Josh: I just like the idea of like going dive.

Tommy: What about— yeah, we could get into Moondog, our homies from Moondog.

Josh: It's very rah-rah though as well.

Tommy: Like, yeah, but good. It's good.

Josh: But I know what you're saying, you're saying like the trendy good bars that are like, yeah, let's go real shit. One.

Tommy: You want to go to an RSL?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay, yeah, yeah, I get you.

Josh: I actually just went through a moment the other day. It's cheaper pots, cheaper drinks. Actually, do you know the— oh, so on Christmas Eve, Bree and I went to, um, uh, is it Robert Burns? Oh yeah, the Robert Burns Hotel, the one that's on the corner of Easy Street. Yeah, went there for, uh, Christmas Eve. Very understaffed. However, The guy who served us was lovely. He said, he said, um, he was like taking our orders or whatever, and he'd been drinking a little bit. He's the waiter, he's been drinking.

Tommy: It's Christmas Eve, baby.

Josh: And so he takes our order, and I was just thinking to myself, I'm like, I think he's a bit tipsy. Anyway, he, uh, he goes off with our order, comes, comes back 15 minutes later, he's like, oh, I'm so sorry, I've forgotten your order. And so we give it to him again, right? And so he's like, ah, thank you. And then he, uh, as he's giving us our drinks, he says to me, 'You're hot.' To you? To me. It was Bray and I. He's like, 'You're hot.' I was like, 'Oh, thank you.' Um, and then he walked off and I said, 'Did you hear that, Bray?' He's like, 'No, what?' I said, 'He said you're hot.' She goes, 'Do you think he's like— because you look like, like, um, because it's hot in here?' Like, 'No, he was saying like I was hot.' Like, he was— like, he was definitely into me potentially, which was great. But anyway, the night went on and he, he then just kept— What are you laughing at?

Mason: Keep going. I want to keep— I want to hear the rest of the story.

Josh: No. So he basically, he was looking after the whole thing because everyone had taken sick leave or the day off and he was normally behind the bar and he was doing all of the serving. And so then I had one red wine and then Bree's like, how do you want to do it? Like, I'll have another one. So I ordered another one and that like—

Tommy: Did you do 4 bottles, 4 glasses between you guys?

Josh: Yeah. Should have brought the bottle. Yeah, I should have. And then, but Bree does, she doesn't like red when it's hot.

Tommy: Okay. Yeah.

Josh: Which I'm the opposite. I'm a fucking madman. I go a Shiraz.

Tommy: Mate, you think she's like a—

Josh: huh?

Tommy: It was a hot day. Summer?

Josh: Yeah, no, no, it was very hot.

Tommy: 24th of December.

Josh: No. But anyway, the, there's no real end to the story, but we, he felt so bad that he, because he forgot my second wine, but we just didn't talk about it. And he didn't put on the bill, which is fine. But then he's like, he's like, no, he said, um, oh, dessert's on me.

Tommy: And then I was like, it's at my house.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. But I was like, oh no, that's fine. And then I looked at Bray, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? Yes, yeah, what? Bray's like, well, can we have the tiramisu, please? Oh yeah, yeah, it was delicious. So we had the tiramisu and that was really good. And then, um, so we said, well, like, if he hasn't included the wine, that second wine Um, that means that like, which is fine, and like we'll give him a great tip because if he— but if he leaves the wine on there and I haven't had it, we won't give him that good a tip. Okay, yeah, but it's Christmas, we'll give him a tip. But then he obviously was so bad, felt so bad about the service that he like did the whole real quick tap to the next thing so you couldn't give a tip.

Tommy: Oh, and did you?

Josh: Yeah, but no, but I was sort of like, oh my God, that was nice.

Tommy: A lot of places in Australia now do that, they just tip go on, like they hand it over at the point where you just pay.

Josh: Yeah. And so anyway, but that was Robert Burns. It was great.

Tommy: He's been back every—

Josh: Yeah, no, so it is a good— it was a really good vibe.

Tommy: Drinking beer and earbuds there. No, I like it. I've got to— I'll have to cheque with the wife if we can make the drinks happen on Friday night.

Josh: She can go and hide all toy cars from the front of the off main.

Tommy: Or I'll throw a toy car in.

Josh: Put a whole of the the heavy ones away in the toy box.

Tommy: Just cheque yourself if you've been drinking. Yeah, I think it's a good one. Just don't let any excuses of lazy— like the late— like you enter into it when you've done that.

Josh: Yeah. Uh, if you, uh, enjoy the show, you can join our Facebook group. You just go to facebook.com/groups/thedailytalkshow. If you're on the Facebook mobile app, you just type in The Daily Talk Show. You'll see there's the page— that's not the one. You can like that. We post there. But the group, you have to enter in privately and you answer 2 questions. One is, who is Queen Gronkh? And the answer is Gemma Watts. And the second one is, when did you start listening to the show? You fill that out and then we accept you. And then you get to see live streams of the show.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: 97, what are people saying in the live stream right now?

Mason: Hayden Dibb said, how good's the beer?

Josh: Love a good beer.

Tommy: When I first met Hayden Dibb, I said, mate, do you drink much? He said, not much. And then I proceeded to say about the next 7 days, him just posting photos of him drinking beers. I was like, he does drink. Yeah, he drinks. And I haven't had a beer with him because it hasn't been—

Josh: we couldn't do that. Any other subs?

Mason: Uh, Leah says, thanks for clarifying whether it's a bad drink or the name was bad.

Josh: Oh yeah, there was a shepherd.

Tommy: Bad Shepherd, great brewery.

Josh: Okay, and so you can do that if you enjoy the show, leave us an Apple Podcast review. Thank you to Bianca for leaving a review, the first one of 2020. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's, uh, 5 stars, mate. She said she loved the show. That's nice. Bianca, I think that's what— no, Seb, do you want to read it out?

Mason: Give me a second.

Josh: What are you— what are you having to do?

Mason: Here we go.

Tommy: Cat and dog.

Mason: Solid content, great banter, and very interesting convos. One of my favourite podcasts to tune into daily. Thank you.

Tommy: Oh, thank you.

Josh: Anyway, it's a daily talk show. Uh, hi@thedailytalkshow.com is, uh, the email address. And thanks to Venture IP, a free little plug there, service. I know you said you don't have to do it every day, but, uh, 24-hour, 7-day-a-week support.

Tommy: And fucking, I'm calling them.

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Tommy: Soleimani. Soleimani is the guy who was—

Josh: oh geez, don't mix up Iran and Venture IP.

Tommy: No, I just got— I just actually got local, local, local. I just got pushed a, um, I pushed a video on YouTube about that whole thing.

Josh: All right, thanks everyone. See you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.