The Koonung Creek With Queen Gronk

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 555.

Tommy: And we— how's the serenity, by the way?

Josh: It's beautiful.

Tommy: We're at the Coonong Creek.

Gemma: Yes, we are. Queen of Coonong.

Tommy: We've got Queen of Coonong, Queen Gronkh. God, you're ruling all the land.

Gemma: I call myself Queen of Coonong when we see people I went to high school with and my friends are like, you need to stop doing that, you wanker.

Tommy: But I am.

Gemma: If you know one person from Coonong, it's Gemma Watts.

Tommy: Oh, Coonong, the school.

Gemma: Yes.

Tommy: Okay, no, I got that.

Josh: But not the creek.

Gemma: I'm probably queen of the creek. So is there a connection? No, my dad's the king of the creek.

Josh: Any connection between the school and the creek?

Gemma: Yeah, the school was named after the creek.

Tommy: And why the hell are we at the creek?

Gemma: Because I pushed for it, really pushed for it. I reckon you did a Q&A a few days ago, so where should we do the show from?

Josh: And Coonong Creek.

Gemma: I win.

Tommy: You're still pushing. So this to me is 50 metres from my auntie's old house, and before the M— what is it, the M1?

Josh: M3.

Tommy: The M3, the highway, the motorway. Before that was open, we went down there onto the highway and we're like carving our name on shit and throwing stuff around. So yeah, this is, um, it's— we've all got some history here.

Gemma: Now Josh has made his history recently.

Josh: You've been, um, I don't know if you've been snorting coke or got sunscreen on you.

Tommy: No, no, it's, uh, sunscreen.

Josh: It does happen, but no, we've all got SPF 50 on.

Gemma: Good.

Josh: So that's always important. Yeah, no, I do.

Gemma: I've been bullying both of you.

Josh: No, it's an important thing to do.

Tommy: I mean, is that what it takes these days? Bullying to get people to wear sunscreen?

Gemma: That's what it'll take. I appeal to my girlfriends just based on vanity because I'm like, I'm going to look this age forever and you're going to look like old witches. And that's enough for me. And that really gets them.

Tommy: Well, we were probably speaking out of school the other day just about sunscreen and masks. No, you were pretty good.

Gemma: Because Sev's listened to my podcast.

Tommy: Yeah. And my wife was telling me about your podcast and influencers and they're kind of like, like, I mean, you think about most influencers' shots and they're tanning their bums on the beach.

Josh: And so they're not cool anymore to do that.

Tommy: Well, no, it's—

Gemma: I used to do it in high school.

Tommy: But you do it promoting it. So it's like showing that you're doing that.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: To then, which people, I mean, is that what people do? They see and go, I want to tan my bum.

Josh: Yeah. What's the point of sunbaking and having sunscreen on?

Gemma: Well, there isn't one. They're two contradictory things because people go, oh, you can still get a tan through sunscreen, but if your skin's changing colour at all, it's your cells in trauma.

Josh: Really?

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: That's the title of today's episode, Cells in Trauma. I mean, the thing is, your body— alcohol is carcinogenic too.

Gemma: I haven't heard of that before. So it's your body like trying to fight off potential cancers when it changes color.

Tommy: Oh, and why do you think we like the look of it? Because it— there— I don't know, it is associated with health.

Gemma: Cover myself in that.

Tommy: I think, you know, you think about the, the older 50-year-old man who's a— who surfs every day and he's down the beach and he's always just happy. You think like, oh, he looks healthy.

Gemma: Yeah, it's just a bit sexy to have a tan.

Tommy: But what do you think it is like?

Gemma: I don't know, it's that— it's that like El MacPherson beach babe thing, but you just look more toned and beautiful.

Tommy: But is that culturally influenced?

Gemma: Oh, very much so.

Josh: What about even going further back? Maybe it's a sign that you're out and about and you're hunting, and so the person who's got a sicker tan is spending less time on their computer and more time trying to catch—

Gemma: Well, actually, no, there is an historical element to this because centuries ago If you had a tan, it meant you were poor because you were obviously outside doing the outside grunt work. Yeah.

Josh: And that's like a caste system, maybe, like the darker you are or whatever.

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: The more you're spending on farms, I think.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: That's a thing.

Gemma: And then that changed because it meant if you had a tan, you had the money to take a holiday. So that's, I think that's where that came from.

Tommy: Well, then you look at being fat in some Asian countries as a sign of wealth. China, isn't it?

Josh: China, yeah. I'm just got a lot of cash. Oh yeah. I got light-colored eyes, so they lose it.

Tommy: You have the money to buy the food.

Josh: Isn't it funny, like you're going to Thailand or whatever and you see the bleaching, skin bleaching products.

Gemma: Yeah, it makes me feel a bit—

Josh: What do they actually do? Have you— Is there— Has there ever been a stage that Australians have seeked that, or is there a market for it?

Gemma: No and no.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What is it, bleaching skin?

Gemma: Well, it's the opposite to false tanning.

Josh: Hmm.

Tommy: So, it's going white.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: I've heard of bleaching your asshole. Through Kanye West's song.

Josh: Oh yeah, what song?

Gemma: I've never understood that.

Josh: Really? No, I guess it comes off the back of '97's motto or whatever and just wanting to make sure it looks good.

Tommy: I mean, how often are people looking at their asshole? Put your hand up if you've done it the last 5 days.

Josh: Have you cleaned it?

Tommy: Looked at your asshole?

Josh: Okay, no, no, no, I regret doing that. But yeah, I don't know, maybe it's, um, Who's sitting in the mirror? Who's bending over in the mirror? I guess there's an element.

Gemma: Not me, I've been bending over in the bathroom.

Josh: But I guess that's putting tan on.

Gemma: No, post-Christmas.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. In the foetal position.

Josh: How many times are you having to actually do your tan during the Christmas season?

Gemma: Well, here's the thing. There's like a, not a meme isn't the word, but a thing going around the internet because it's like a very stressful time because you want to tan, but you also, if you want to reapply it, you want to exfoliate in the meantime. You are going to fall into the concrete.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, I'm living on the edge. I'm sitting on the sort of ledge behind us is the water. The way to go, stress. If you're not watching.

Gemma: Yeah, it's very stressful, but I'll probably like, I tanned a few days ago, but I was a bit drunk when I did it. And then I'll just top it up before New Year's, I guess.

Josh: What do you reckon the biggest misconception is about you?

Gemma: I think they're probably all pretty accurate. I'm a bit of a wang girl. Someone hates my accent, it's too pretentious.

Tommy: Oh, you read that in a— piece of feedback on a podcast?

Gemma: It's a review, I don't know. I reckon my voice is a bit bogan, but I suppose not.

Tommy: I mean, I think your quirk, if we've been talking about quirk slightly, your quirk is to blatantly big up yourself, which I think is one of the best quirks because not enough women, for one, but not enough people do.

Gemma: Yeah, no, that's accurate.

Tommy: And so where does that come from? Mama?

Gemma: No, no, not my parents at all.

Tommy: I think people see—

Gemma: I don't want to get deep. It's from getting bloody bullied in primary school. And then I was like, all right.

Tommy: Well, I was going to say, I think some people might not see the humour in you doing it.

Gemma: Oh, they don't.

Tommy: And then they think it's an insecurity thing is why you're doing it.

Gemma: I don't think anyone thinks I'm insecure. I think they just think I'm a bit of a wanker, which is fair.

Josh: Could be a bit of both.

Gemma: I'm actually not insecure at all.

Josh: Really?

Gemma: Nah.

Josh: What do you think, like, because you're talking about the bullied stuff?

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: So that when you were bullied, you then needed to correct that?

Gemma: I was a real easy— I was shy. I was a real easy target.

Josh: So what were you like? What did you— I'm curious because you do have like a vibe to you. Was your—

Tommy: what is it? Explain.

Gemma: Yeah, what is this?

Tommy: I don't know. Was it you that wrote that comment?

Josh: No, no, this is I was like, you know.

Gemma: Yeah, I just, I don't know.

Josh: It's just like, no, it's just like there's a Gemma. There's like a presence that like this contract, that contract. It's like, it's all really good.

Tommy: Yeah.

Gemma: Yeah. I just have a nice time all the time.

Josh: But so what, so if you're quieter, what did that look like?

Gemma: Well, so much so in prep, they thought there was like something wrong with me on my report. They were like, we think Gemma's a bit socially not okay.

Josh: Really?

Gemma: Stay in the classroom at lunchtime.

Tommy: You were planning your launch.

Gemma: Yeah, I was like, all right, really? So what was really honing this branding?

Josh: When did that change?

Gemma: Uh, probably grade 3. It was, yeah, it gradually— after mum and dad got me to start dancing when I was 3 because they thought, oh, she'll just do it for like a term and then she'll get bored, but it'll hopefully get her out of her shell.

Tommy: So the stage unlocked you?

Gemma: Yeah, I reckon. And then I just— then I got—

Josh: Would you do like theatre games or something? Or like, what was the—

Gemma: I did, not at dancing. We did at school. I never loved theatre sports. I don't love improv.

Tommy: Really?

Gemma: Why? Pressure.

Tommy: For it to be perfect or pressure just to come up with something?

Gemma: Yeah, that. The latter.

Tommy: Coming up with stuff?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, you've heard Mr. 97.

Gemma: I have.

Josh: Should we do it? No, we're not doing it.

Gemma: I shouldn't have said anything.

Tommy: No. No, but I mean, throwing Being in a moment. What about like ad-libbing is life? You're in a business meeting.

Gemma: Ad-libbing is fine.

Josh: I don't know.

Gemma: There's just something about theatre sports. I think I've built up in my head that like in that environment I'm the funny one, which may not be the case, but I'm like, pressure.

Tommy: Yeah.

Gemma: And then if you're focusing on delivering a gag, it's going to fall flat 100%.

Josh: So when it comes— you're giving me advice.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: If you plan it too much, but you've got to be willing to try. But also the other thing too is Whilst that temperature in the room joke didn't go down well at the end.

Gemma: That was your delivery.

Josh: But think about how well it did at 500. And that's the thing. So it's sort of like—

Gemma: Because you were looser.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, yeah, I see what you— But I think it's more on brand for us to spread something across multiple episodes. Yeah. So you start it there.

Josh: It's a slower burn.

Tommy: Most things, like the journey's funny. Yeah, punchline's not necessary. Like, you've got to have all the context. Yeah, so you could say that you were leading up to the EP500.

Josh: Yeah, it was all a lead-up, I guess.

Tommy: But then that's, that's life. We're kind of like letting it unravel, but you've got to find the humour in, in life. I think you do that quite well.

Gemma: I think so.

Tommy: Thank you very much. You're quite self-deprecating, do you think?

Gemma: Yeah, that's, that's on brand for me.

Tommy: Self-deprecation.

Josh: Well, there are many people that kissed down here. It's got the vibe that you'd sort of go and walk down? Like, kid— like, was that a thing with kids? Like, no, it was.

Gemma: Yes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What else?

Gemma: I didn't do anything else down here, but it was—

Josh: it has that hot spot. What is with—

Gemma: but more Elgar Park, not here. You'd go and have a drink in Elgar Park. I didn't really drink in Elgar Park. I would drink in Springfield Park because it was closer to the friends' house. Everyone's got the friend where we could drink there.

Josh: Yeah. Was your family that, or no?

Gemma: No, my Aussie, I thought I was so clever. I'm like, oh, they have no idea. It's since emerged that, yeah, no, they were fully aware and all of the moms knew. They were like, oh, we'll just send her to Cassie's.

Josh: It'll be fine.

Tommy: Yeah, in a safe environment.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you want kids?

Gemma: Yeah, eventually. I'm not clucky at all. Never have been.

Tommy: But you still think you want kids even though the cluck factor's not there?

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: Cluck factor.

Tommy: Cluck factor.

Gemma: I'm just not really maternal. So I just don't think I'm weird.

Josh: So does that then ever— do you need to be maternal to have a kid?

Gemma: My parents weren't. Mum wasn't.

Josh: So they just— do you think that the best time in your life with your parents is now? Because now you're just mates.

Gemma: Yeah, I've been housemates with them for a lot. Yeah, I've always got along pretty well with them. Yeah, we have a good relationship. Amy said that I'm the argument for having Bodhi as an only child.

Tommy: Yeah. And Bodhi's heavily influenced that too. Probably a child like Bodhi.

Gemma: But it is. Yeah, see, I kept saying to my parents they had one perfect child, so they were like, we don't need any more. And they were like, no, you're a nightmare.

Tommy: Were you?

Gemma: Nah, I was pretty good. I'm just a show-off. It's like even when I was shy at school, at home I'd be like, let's do a music video.

Josh: Did you have many friends in school?

Gemma: Yeah, I've always been social.

Tommy: Are you close with friends from high school? Like primary school?

Gemma: Primary school, mother's group. Mother's group?

Tommy: Hang on, what's mother's group?

Gemma: When you have like a new baby and then—

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but I'm trying to work out how this relates to you.

Gemma: What?

Tommy: Do you go to mother's group?

Gemma: The baby's from the mother's group.

Josh: It's sort of like, you know, like the—

Gemma: I go to mother's group to hang out with other people.

Tommy: No, I know Amy, my wife who has a baby's been to mother's group. I'm trying to work out.

Gemma: No, no.

Josh: Back in the day, I feel like it was more of an old school thing, but the mother's group was such a big thing that you ended up becoming friends with all the kids in the mothers' group and all that sort of thing.

Gemma: So we still go on, like mum and dad are still best friends with some of the other parents.

Tommy: Okay, sorry. Now I'm seeing the connection.

Gemma: And two of my best friends are from mothers' group.

Tommy: Oh, so you met some of your besties at mothers' group?

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: That's quite— did you have that? Did you have friends that were out like family friends?

Tommy: Yeah, but never ended up being close with them.

Gemma: I'm going to MC my best mate from mothers' group's wedding next year.

Tommy: That's amazing. That's great.

Gemma: I said to him, I'm either your best man or I'm your MC. And he's like, well, MC. Yeah, I've already, my brother's my best man. So get fucked.

Josh: Have you thought about, we're gonna have you on for Christmas Day, which is a bunch of fun with Human Periscope and Scooter Derek.

Gemma: I've heard of them.

Josh: Which we're excited about. But 2020, we've spoken about it a lot. It seems like December for me, I get very, very sort of in my head about what I want to do. I know that you don't. This is— you are a massive contradiction. You're a contradiction.

Gemma: I know, I know.

Josh: The biggest contradiction, because you're someone like, ah, I don't think about anything, ah, everything's— but I'm very strategic.

Gemma: Okay, so here it is, she's planning the launch. Everything I do, like, I've always got like the longevity of the business in the back of my head, but I don't like concrete goals necessarily. Sure.

Tommy: So you don't want to tell people your goals, or are you—

Josh: No, no, no.

Gemma: It's what Zoe said when you had her on. She was like, as long as you're doing good work in the moment, then more like good things will come.

Josh: What does good work count as?

Gemma: Just work that you're proud of, I think.

Tommy: It's, uh, no, because I, I understand what you're saying. For someone like Zoe, she's well into it.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: So she's super successful, and you've— But you say to her, what do you think 'What do you think the brand will look like in 5 years?' And she's like, 'Hopefully good.' But yeah, I mean, for anyone, it's like, if you don't have a brand like Zoe's, it's a completely different conversation, meaning you've gotta have the vision of creating that thing.

Gemma: Well, I think the other thing is that so many of like the really great things that have happened in my business in the last year, the 3 years since I started, A lot of them weren't opportunities that existed when I started, if that makes sense. So I do want to set myself like this concrete goal because I know I'm the type of person that would then become like really singular in my focus.

Josh: You could be in VR next year. You could be doing all virtual reality stuff.

Gemma: Possibly.

Josh: You could be. Let's go back to when we met for the first time.

Gemma: Yeah. You couldn't get rid of me.

Tommy: One thing I remember is your Pauline Hanson impersonation.

Gemma: No, that was Sandra Sully.

Tommy: No, you did a pull-in heads in it. It stuck out to me.

Josh: Really? I don't remember it.

Tommy: I don't think I—

Gemma: Find it. Find that one.

Tommy: Not on the show. This was when we met in that hotel room.

Gemma: I met—

Tommy: That sounds dodgy.

Gemma: I met Josh and Bree before that.

Josh: Yeah, that's right. At the Ferrero event.

Gemma: Yeah, 'cause they were like, who can we get to plant with product? Who will go along with it? And they're like, Gemma will do it.

Josh: And so it was for Ferrero, which is like a brand that does like skincare stuff. They're very good into like the electronic silicon.

Gemma: I still use all of their stuff all the time.

Josh: And so we—

Gemma: Plug.

Josh: Yeah, so we had that event or whatever, but then we also did this, the hotel thing where we met at, which hotel was it called? Was it called Pullman? Yeah. Yeah. And so we went there, had a camera set up. The funny thing is, isn't it funny? First impressions of people because I, my first impression, no, my first impression on you was like, I think maybe through the confidence or whatever that you had, I just assumed you're way older.

Gemma: Oh yeah, I get that all the time.

Josh: But the thing is like, you don't look old. You don't look old. Yeah, so I just thought, child bride.

Gemma: I do. And also because Bree had actually 110 and Bree had talked you up.

Josh: So much as well. So it's like for someone who's done all of this stuff, like I just assumed that you were like, had, you know, you've been around the traps forever.

Gemma: Well, everyone thinks that because I started working like in this when I was 18. So they just think I've existed for a very long time. But this is a shit thing about being 27 now. Before 27, I nearly fell forwards.

Tommy: Falling backwards. Look at my toes, they curled around. There's no going in.

Gemma: Is this worth it?

Josh: Yeah, look.

Gemma: Geez.

Tommy: Oh, that's not gonna work.

Josh: Yeah, do more, do more. Do one back crunch. Here we go. All the way down, all the way down. And then up. Yeah, that's quite good. And then get another one.

Tommy: It's not good. Like, look at my legs.

Josh: Oh my God.

Tommy: Wrapped around. Hang on, I'm just gonna cheque something. Go on.

Josh: What are you looking at?

Tommy: You're right. When I get off mic, you're meant to continue talking so it doesn't look weird.

Josh: Okay, yeah, sure.

Gemma: Oh, okay. Sorry. When, yeah, before 27, everyone was like, oh my God, you're so young, but you've done so much. And now I'm 27. And they're like, oh yeah, that makes sense.

Tommy: Are you funny about age?

Gemma: Nah, not in the slightest.

Tommy: If I felt you were funny, I wouldn't have said that.

Josh: I would have asked you like that.

Gemma: Nah, I reckon I've done a shit tonne for 27.

Tommy: Given it a fair crack.

Josh: So why not?

Gemma: Given it a fair crack, a red hot go.

Josh: I interrupted you when you were saying 2020. So what is, what does 2020 look like? If you were to put the strategic thing.

Gemma: A lot more.

Tommy: Give us what you want. Give us the 5-year roadmap.

Gemma: Well, I just wanna, I've been doing a lot of MCing in the last 12 months and that's my favourite thing. So the more of that I can do, the happier I will be. 'Cause that's like how I recharge, just talking to a large group of people. But I think I've carved a nice little niche for myself. I think in the last, 'cause when I started working for myself, I was like, I'll just, I'll do fashion, I'll do beauty, I'll do strategy, I'll do whatever anyone needs me to do.

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, whenever we want.

Gemma: Which I'm still, yeah, talking, hanging out with my mates. And then in the last probably 18 months, I've really honed in the clients I'm working with, what work I'm doing. I think I've really streamlined it. So I just, I feel like I'm on the right path now. People know what I'm doing. So it's, yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Josh: I mean, you actually didn't have your podcast Glow Journal until after we did our first episode, or maybe it was just after. I feel like there was a real—

Gemma: started in November last year, end of September, end of September.

Josh: And I think we had you on beginning of October. I think that that was— we had in mind we want to get Gem on. I had just come back to Australia, had I? Yeah. And then, um, and then we saw that you're doing the podcast, and so then we got you on. I mean, you can see how much things can change in regards to podcasting being the big thing.

Gemma: Well, that's been a nice thing, 'cause I just, my favourite thing about journalism, even when I was doing fashion, was the interviewing part of it. I loved interviewing designers and hearing about the business side of it. And then whenever I would go to an event or do anything for the website where I get to speak to a brand founder, I was like, this is the good stuff. This is where I feel like I'm actually doing good work that I can be proud of. And then I thought I need somewhere to host said conversations, and there was a gap for it in Australia. There were so many good podcasts of the same nature coming out of the US and the UK, but none in that space out of Australia.

Tommy: How in terms of your audience, does it— has it gone overseas?

Gemma: Or yeah, the UK in particular. I don't know if that's because I've got a lot of friends that have moved there and they're whoring me out, but a lot of my guests have been from the UK, so then they will share it on their platforms and then Yeah, got a big one to open season 2 with.

Tommy: That you've recorded?

Gemma: Yeah, I've got to combine it. So, you know, are you familiar with One Direction?

Josh: Yes.

Gemma: So the sister of Louis Tomlinson has a tanning brand and she, Lottie, owns it. And then Lou Teasdale, who's One Direction's like hair and makeup girl, she's the creative director. So they've got a combined, I think, 16 million followers. So I'm opening season 2 with that fun interview.

Tommy: Plus her brother could just give it a quick, yeah, little tweet.

Gemma: Well, they don't get to talk about the business side of it often, so I think they appreciated that it wasn't a conversation of like, what are your travel makeup essentials?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Josh: Isn't it so weird that we've all met?

Gemma: Yeah, I often think that. I thought that around— I really thought about it 400 episodes in, and I think I did a nice post.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's funny, like, we've become good friends, we call each other, we hang out, all that sort of thing. Like, people like Pete and all that sort of— like, we've— it's, it's actually like through the podcast, yeah, we've been able to actually— like, because I guess you think about these things and you think, okay, like, we get people on and all that sort of thing, but it's actually become more than that, which is cool.

Gemma: This won't make sense to any of you, but it's nice having male friends, like a different, 'cause I'm such a girl's girl. It's like a nice—

Josh: The boys?

Gemma: The boys.

Tommy: You like having the boys?

Josh: I've never had the boys. And so this is my first time as well. So I sort of like it.

Tommy: The boys, yeah.

Gemma: I've probably got higher testosterone than all of you. I really believe. Maybe that's 2020. Gemma does it.

Tommy: I would love that. I'd love to use the resources of Medicare once again.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: 2020. Do you actually look forward in your business and think, I want to make X amount of dollars?

Josh: Like it?

Gemma: Yeah, because my accountant every year looks at my books and goes, I'm very proud of you. So I want him to keep saying that.

Josh: And so the buying a house thing—

Gemma: it sets me little challenges. Yeah, that would be very exciting.

Josh: So I don't know if we were talking about it before, buying a house and being a freelancer, have you— are you having to like talk to your bank and they're like, okay, put this money aside.

Gemma: Well, here's the fun part. I can't go into the specifics, but the situation I was in prior to starting my business, it was not ideal at the time, but on paper it looks like I've been self-employed for the entire time because they were contracting.

Josh: Oh, that's right. Yeah. You weren't getting super.

Gemma: Yeah. So on paper it looks like I've been running my business for like 7 years.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Great. Yeah. It's so weird, isn't it? Like, I think about like where the future is going in regards to how people work. And then you think about how people access money to be able to do things like buy houses and all that sort of thing. Do you think about, you know, Tommy and I catch ourselves doing, we will do this when this thing happens or that thing happens. Buying a house is such a big thing, you could say. I know like friends that have been going to buy a house and they're like collecting things for the interior of their house and they're keeping it in a room at their parents' house in preparation for when they move.

Gemma: I've got a glory box, but that's apparently the old word.

Josh: That's an old school. Yes, my parents said that to me and I was like, whoa, it's like when they get— yeah, when you get handsy, sorry.

Gemma: I thought it was some sort of weird sex thing. Yeah, um, no, but because I get like—

Josh: I've done your chastity belt in there as well.

Gemma: Long gone. I threw it in the creek actually.

Josh: It's actually in Coonam Creek with everyone else's.

Gemma: Yeah. All of the men. No, so I, we've got a glory box because I've done a lot of work for like crystal brands. So I've got all this like beautiful glassware and linens and—

Tommy: Ready for a house.

Josh: Yeah.

Gemma: But I like using nice things when I get them.

Tommy: Is that what you want? A house?

Gemma: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: And so have you thought about like, What's the dream around that then? Like, is it painful being— like, for most people, I guess the transition of being at your parents' place before moving and all that sort of thing has some level of friction to it. Even if you love living at home, I'm guessing there's the friction then, which is the opposite of like, actually don't know if I want to leave. I don't know what that's going to mean.

Gemma: Oh, I know.

Josh: What about even live— are you going to be— So you and Chris are buying together, are you? And so living together with your partner.

Gemma: Yep.

Josh: Have you thought about all of that fun stuff? Sharing things?

Gemma: We've been together for 8 and a half years.

Josh: But the difference between living, have you spent much time living together?

Gemma: Yeah, well, there was a period of time where he was living in Rosebud. So he lived with us. Yeah, yeah, we'll be fine.

Tommy: But what are you looking at?

Josh: What are you looking at? Looking at in regards to all of that though, in regards to that transition? What do you think will be the biggest shift in Gemma Watts as a person?

Gemma: Nothing, I reckon Gemma Watts as a person is pretty—

Josh: Will you have your own little cabinet?

Gemma: Oh yeah, I really want one of the bar carts, but I want one that is round this way. Do you know what I mean? I've got a Pinterest board.

Tommy: I see what you mean. Yeah, you're not going to Kmart. This is going to be a higher end one.

Gemma: I'll get a bit of Kmart, but also I reckon I can do a Beck Judd style series where I go room by room.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Will you do like a Wotchella?

Gemma: Yeah, but I'll give it a different name. What do you reckon?

Josh: Yeah, what about like the Big Wot Out? Like the big day out?

Gemma: Yeah, we'll maybe work on that.

Josh: What's another festival?

Gemma: Wotapalooza?

Josh: Wotapalooza, that's good. I like that one.

Gemma: We had my, one of my best friends turned 30 in January and she works in like music publicity and her parents own an olive farm. So we had Mamo, her surname's Mamo, we all call her Mamo. So she had Mamo Days. Remember Summer Days?

Tommy: Summer Days, no.

Gemma: You would have been there.

Tommy: No, I actually never went. I'm glad I didn't.

Gemma: That feels very on brand for you.

Tommy: I went to like early days of Future Music Festival when it was at the Stereo—

Josh: what?

Tommy: Stereo— sonic.

Josh: Yeah, you can work on it.

Gemma: And so when it was a 2-day festival and I filmed it, actually, you'd be thrilled with it. I'm not very good at video, but copyrighted music. Yes. And then we got— so we all know each other from dancing. So our other best friend put on like crazy costumes and we just got her to dance in the middle of this olive farm. And I did a video. It's really good. I'll send it to you.

Josh: What are you craving then? Like in regards to that house thing, like you're going to have a— so you're talking about buying a house in 2 months.

Gemma: It's space because I've got like, it sounds like such a wanky problem to have. Maybe this is why people think I'm such a wanker. Obviously my job is a lot of it is reviewing beauty products. I am pretty organised and I like to have a system with the way everything's set up. But at the moment there's like, it just, different things in different rooms.

Josh: What's in the bungalow?

Gemma: The bungalow at the moment, well, wine, and also products from the Christmas gift guide. So there's stuff that I'm like giving as, you know, little extra prezzies. And then also some stuff that I'm undecided if I'll keep or if I'll gift. Then in the spare room, there's the stuff that I definitely wanna keep, or I still have to work with, or I have to take photos or review it or whatever. And then also in the bungalow, there's a separate cupboard of stuff that's going to like the women's shelter, that's going to like the different charities I'll give stuff to. So there's a lot and it's just all spread out.

Tommy: What about having an office one day? Is that something you want?

Gemma: Eventually, because I'll hire. Like financially, I'm in a position where I could have hired this year, but I would rather.

Tommy: But Mr. 97 was taken.

Gemma: Yeah, that was it. That was it. But I just don't think I'd be a very good manager at this stage. Stage, I would want to learn how to be happy.

Josh: How do you do that without wasting heaps of cash? Oh, probably just wasting heaps of cash.

Gemma: I don't know, I'll figure it out. Yeah. 3 Day Deals, figuring it out.

Josh: Is there anything that like, you think, you think about like a community and friendship group, is there anything that we could all be doing more to supporting you? Or like, is there anything that like—

Gemma: No, I wouldn't have you around if I didn't I think you were of value to me.

Josh: Hashtag strategy.

Gemma: Wanker.

Josh: Yeah, no, but I think it's so weird, like, I think that we've seen like the power in having like the Gronk Squad and people like you that—

Tommy: Having people around you helps.

Gemma: And you see that when you do an event because we've both done one in the last few months. It's the bloody best feeling in the whole world.

Josh: We definitely want to do more.

Gemma: Yeah, same. I reckon I'm going to do seasonal now because the big— not issue from my point of view, but from people that tried to buy tickets, they sold out in 45 seconds. So people were like, you need to do a bigger event next time. I don't think I do. I think that size worked really well because I got to speak to every single person. So I think I keep it intimate. And the other thing, being a beauty event, you want the goodie bags to be top notch. Lux. Yeah. A lot easier to go to a brand and say, hey, it'd be 65 really engaged people.

Josh: Yeah. Actually, what we should do, uh, so it's episode— what number is it? 555.

Gemma: That's a nice number.

Josh: How— what date is it in 45 days from today?

Gemma: It's Thursday, the 6th of February, 2020.

Josh: So the 6th of Feb, it's episode 600. I feel like we could maybe work towards doing another event.

Tommy: 600, every 100.

Gemma: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: What's that, every 3 months. Yeah, 2, 4, 6. Yeah, more for every 4 months.

Gemma: Maybe seasonal.

Tommy: Okay, Thursday night. You did yours on a Thursday night?

Gemma: Yeah, it worked out nicely. Thursday is my favourite night. Thursday's a new Friday.

Josh: Should we do it again, or should we do something else?

Gemma: That worked out beautifully. Yeah.

Josh: All right.

Gemma: Yeah, and I think it made sense because you guys have obviously got a nice relationship with them.

Josh: Maybe like we were thinking potentially like charging just to make sure that it gets— I would Phil?

Tommy: How much?

Josh: Yeah, what do we, should we charge? I don't know.

Gemma: This is why I'm no good, 'cause I definitely, I didn't charge for my event. That's why it sucked.

Tommy: Well, from your learnings, 'cause we have to think about it outside of this conversation. This is actually the organisational meeting. Welcome guys, thanks for coming. EP600 launch. How much?

Gemma: Well, you've got to do your spreadsheet. So I didn't make any money off my event. In retrospect, I could have. So just work out your costs first.

Josh: I guess if we had like 80 people, yeah, paying at $20, that's $1,600. And then there's probably—

Gemma: but you have to pay out of pocket.

Josh: Yeah, so we only had to pay out of pocket our lighting and, uh, speakers, so it was $400. But the venue would have cost heaps if we'd actually, yeah, paid for that.

Gemma: Or photographer, videographer, flowers, a lot of it was mates, right? Yeah.

Josh: And so I guess if we— yeah, it's interesting, but I guess it just creates a bit of tension to be able to make sure that everyone who secures a ticket shows up, and it means that we can potentially—

Tommy: what about—

Gemma: how many no-shows did you have?

Josh: Uh, well, we had like a couple of people who— because they were free, we just had a few of those ones where it's like someone had booked 6 tickets and they don't show. Gronkh moves.

Gemma: Yes, we know.

Josh: The thing is, if it was just had a little little bit of cash it would make, like, because we still had like 70 people. We could have had, we could have had 100.

Gemma: Yeah.

Josh: And so what I'd love to do, I wonder how you do it so that you could almost overfill. Like, I'd love to have like, have 105 potentials with having some flow.

Tommy: Paying customers usually come.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. And that's the whole difference.

Tommy: Overflow if it's free, because then you've got the gronks that don't come.

Gemma: But I only had one person the day before, who was one of my girlfriends, she was sick and she's like, I'm not going to be able to make it. So I just— there was a waitlist, $1,000, right? Um, and I was like, oh, I'll just go down the waitlist because it was the day of. I thought no one's going to be free and no one's going to cheque their emails. Snapped up within another 2 minutes. Yeah, so it worked out nicely. But as long as you've got a waitlist, if people ask for a refund, you just reissue it.

Tommy: I just walked past with the fishing rod.

Josh: Where's he off to catching that? He just needs a net just to catch that one.

Gemma: There's another, like, if you go along that track where I reckon the snakes are, that could be fun. There's— it's also turtle, um, season. Yeah, there was a sign that we would have walked past.

Josh: Blow journal. Yeah, are they turtles?

Tommy: No, they're rocks.

Gemma: Because I said that to Pete and he got really— he loves turtles. Really?

Josh: Yeah, it seems like a turtle kind of guy.

Tommy: Mr. 97's burning up.

Josh: Yep. Have you not put sunscreen on?

Tommy: No, no, no, but he still looks Doesn't that sound creepy?

Gemma: Yeah, watching this.

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, everyone. HiTheDailyTalkShow.com is the email address. Make sure you cheque out Gem's podcast Glow Journal with the episode season 2 starting when?

Gemma: Uh, January 15th. Is that a Wednesday?

Tommy: Uh, sounds probably Monday. So yeah, that's the following. I don't know, that sounds about right. Great. Yeah, sounds about right.

Josh: Anyway, uh, see you tomorrow. And then on Christmas Day we'll have Gem Scooter Dillard and Tall Gronkh. No, I think you'll probably wear the same. All right, see you tomorrow, guys. See you guys.