Blind Spots & Social Media With Peter Shepherd

Peter: The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 540.

Josh: Wow, good solid number to have Pete Shepherd back in the building. 9th appearance, Mr. 97. How many minutes has—

Mason: I haven't done it yet.

Peter: You just answered him early.

Tommy: Cheers, cheers. I've got a Ben Fordham, uh, what is this called?

Unknown: Stubby holder.

Tommy: Stubby holder. Uh, thank you. Harry's still in the building, final day for you, Harry. How you feeling?

Peter: All right. Oh, that's good. How are you?

Unknown: I'm tired. I'm very tired.

Josh: We've been working hard.

Unknown: Yeah, they've been working me hard.

Josh: How's your week been, Pete?

Peter: Pretty good. Yeah, pretty solid. Just coming to grips with the fact that it's December.

Josh: Oh, fuck.

Peter: It's outrageous.

Josh: I mean, but you could be thrown with the weather like it's still winter.

Peter: Yeah, this is true.

Josh: How's the coaching business going?

Peter: Going well.

Josh: Yeah. What's something that's been coming up with clients this week?

Peter: This week?

Josh: I mean, that's a—

Tommy: Are you trying to coach him?

Peter: Is this what's going on?

Josh: No, I'm just curious to know what people's challenges that they're facing. Like, I wonder if there's a recurring theme. Do you see that?

Peter: Not necessarily. I haven't really thought about it, though, to be honest. I wonder if— I was talking with a colleague, actually, or a friend at the office that I work at who's also a coach. Friend or colleague? Friend or colleague?

Tommy: Well, more colleague or more friend?

Peter: Well, not really colleague because we don't work together. We just happen to be in the same office. So, friend. And she's a coach as well. And she was saying that she feels like a lot of people are losing their marbles because it's approaching the end of the year and new decade and all that stuff. I was like, oh, I haven't really noticed that as much, but I think— I don't know how you guys feeling about it.

Josh: Is that a thing? Is it just your coaching quality, mate? Your clients, everyone's under control. We can all say come December, if you usually shit your pants, Pete's coaching will keep you— keep the shit inside.

Tommy: I feel like the decade thing is, uh, I never even considered it until like a week, right?

Peter: So someone said this to me, a new decade, what are you going to do? I was like, what do you mean, 2020?

Tommy: Oh, do we do anything for 2010 though? When you were— when we're entering 2010, we weren't like, new decade.

Peter: I don't know.

Josh: I mean, 2 years later was a great year, 2012. But 2000, the year 2000, do you remember what you were doing?

Peter: I don't remember. I don't remember myself specifically what I was doing, but I remember the narrative around like Y2K.

Unknown: Yeah.

Peter: And the computers were gonna essentially take over.

Tommy: Planes were gonna fall out of the sky.

Peter: People weren't flying because they were worried they'd drop from the sky.

Tommy: Fair. I guess like, because it was all had to do with It seemed so practical in regards to— So, basically, computers help the planes fly.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: The clocks of the computers haven't, or the dates haven't allowed for this. And so, once it ticks over, all those computers are going to be fucked and all the planes are going to go down.

Peter: Well, and if you hear that narrative over and over and over again, you probably would be like, well, I mean, I could fly on New Year's Eve or I could just fly the day after when it might be safer.

Josh: Well, 2012 also was a year where the Mayan calendar had specifically dated that something was going to happen. Nothing happened. Turned out to be a fucking great year. Mine's got it absolutely wrong, and we all got the Y2K bug thing wrong.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: When was the last time you guys used a physical planner/diary?

Peter: Oh, I have— I use a notepad notebook every day. Is it got dates on it or no? No, I write the date at the top manually.

Josh: Too limiting. I remember I used it for clients when I was a PT, but it was specific to that one page, time slots.

Unknown: Yeah.

Peter: And then if you miss a week, you kind of get flat because you've got like a blank week. You just got to skip it.

Tommy: You describe— Yeah, it's a— But that's what it's about, isn't it? Because remember back in school days, we used to have—

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Did you all have planners?

Peter: Well, yeah, like a school diary. Yeah. And we used to cut the corner.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: So you could turn straight to it.

Josh: It's genius.

Peter: So you cut it every week. You cut that and then you could just like turn straight to that page. That's right. Yeah. You remember that?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Works well, but it makes sense for doctors and stuff who want to just be in a room in their practise where they can just—

Peter: Taking notes.

Josh: I mean, you can do it on the computer.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: Just the thing is that you've got to lean into the digital space. Is there anything that you're doing, Pete, within your business that people are still doing by hand?

Peter: I think, I mean, not by hand per se, but I think the fact that 95% of my work is remote is still very foreign to people, that everything is on Zoom and Slack and email. And a lot of people still find that concept hard to grasp of like, oh, but if I was working with someone or if I was a coach, I would sit down across the room from them. And I do that far more rarely than I do hop on Zoom and have a chat with someone. I think that concept is still foreign to people.

Tommy: You went to like a conference the other day where it was like all virtual.

Peter: Yeah, digital conference.

Josh: Can you still say you went to a conference?

Tommy: Do you read a book if it's audible?

Josh: Definitely not. Oh. Absolutely not. You haven't read the book.

Tommy: I listened to the book.

Peter: Can you count it as listening? You still listen.

Josh: It's listening, but it's not read. People say read.

Peter: It's interesting, isn't it?

Tommy: You've got to say listen, which is fine. Sex.

Josh: Definitely not.

Peter: We've got conferences to phone sex.

Josh: But you see, there's an orifice has been penetrated, but it's just not the orifice that you would think. Off-brand repeat right now. That's that last one.

Tommy: So bring it back to the conference.

Peter: Did you go to a conference?

Josh: Did you go to a conference?

Peter: Yeah, well, it was a virtual conference. Or maybe it was called a virtual festival or conference, but it was, it was essentially an experiment of can you replicate what you can get in a conference, which is a bunch of different stages, a bunch of different speakers, a bunch of different people attending, and different like rooms or stages were available, which were essentially different virtual Zoom rooms. And so I facilitated one of the sessions and it was awesome. It worked. It worked really well. We had 120 people show up, everyone from the comfort of their living room or their office. And then like in between, they would do little kind of networking things where you do essentially speed dating. You get thrown into a room with like one other person and you spend 5 minutes chatting to them, and you get thrown into another room and you spend 5 minutes chatting to them, and you have 5 minutes. And so it was really cool.

Josh: What's, what's the feeling, uh, what's the difference in the feeling? So you could go to a full day conference where you're sitting there, your bum's a bit sore, so you get all these other stimulus.

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: So what, what's the— do you come out just cognitively like, whoa, my head, I'm actually just pretty still. Yeah, I was comfy because I was at home.

Peter: Yeah, you come out— I find you come out really wired.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: Like, this was me half an hour ago when you sent me a message, and I was just like I'm so wired because I just come out of intense conversations with people, even on Zoom. I find it, for some reason, it like wires you even more.

Josh: And what's your comfy space? Like, what do you do?

Peter: I stand. I like to stand. Yeah, like, I, I find standing— I maintain energy as opposed to like slouching and getting tired. I find if I stand, it helps just like keep me alert.

Tommy: Do you think that we could do the podcast standing up?

Peter: I think we should.

Josh: Yeah. Oh, we can't now. Oh yeah, we did it heaps in LA.

Peter: You're like a standing—

Tommy: oh yeah, that's true.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: I've got— there's a— there's definitely a stamina. Like, it gets to a certain point and I start getting fidgety.

Peter: Yeah, me too.

Josh: So I start sort of just swaying both sides. I change my hand. Like, you can see it at like the 30-minute mark or something.

Tommy: I think it affects me less potentially. I just don't— I'm just not— yeah, I just fucking lock in. Yeah, I just don't move.

Josh: I'm a fidgeter.

Peter: No, I am too. I'm sort of known in among a few friends and groups that I work with online for being the guy that's always like shuffling, swaying, and swaying, motion sickness, moving from foot to foot to foot to foot. But everyone else is so motionless. I find that like disorientating. I need to be like moving around.

Tommy: So how do we do it if we wanted to implement like a digital conference? What did you learn from it? What tools are you using? How do you like— what's the actual bits that you would take from it if you were to do it yourself?

Peter: Obviously, well, Zoom was the teleconference, I guess, software that we used, which worked really well. The main thing is you need a way to communicate with everyone at like in real time. So you need to be able to say to people, this thing is happening now, click on this link over here, this thing's happening now, click this link over there. So there's like a central communication platform in Zoom or Slack. This was separate, so this is on the platform called Discord. You could use Slack if you had everyone in Slack, and so it would be like an announcement. And so there's URLs essentially, and you click the URL and that sends you to the right Zoom room, right?

Unknown: Yeah.

Peter: And so it's really cool.

Tommy: Was it sort of hacking it together, or did it feel like these systems were all designed?

Peter: No, it felt really well designed, which I think, I think the, the the idea was it probably will feel really hacky and weird, but it actually felt really good and natural. And it was kind of like, if you think about the tension of getting thousands of people around the world to come to one conference and the cost and the flights and everything, this was like people all around the world and sitting in the comfort of— or standing in the comfort of their own space. It's pretty cool.

Josh: I mean, what do you think about being in one-on-one, so, or being in the room, so if experiencing all of that sort of stimulus.

Peter: Yeah, it's unique. It's definitely unique because you kind of look around, you're like, oh no, I'm on my own. But then you got— we had 120 people. Jen and I did a workshop, we had 120 people staring at us.

Tommy: Like, so it's like individual boxes, like everybody.

Peter: It's like The Brady Bunch. Everyone has their own square. It's kind of cool. Everyone takes up the same amount of space, and so you can't tell how big or small or short or tall people are. Everyone's just the same, and they're just kind of these smiling faces that you can kind of scroll through. It's pretty cool.

Tommy: And do that— can you unmute them?

Peter: Yeah, so the general rule is everyone's on mute except for the person talking.

Tommy: Do they have to do that, or can you mute all?

Peter: There's a bit of both, so they can come off mute and unmute. But in this conference that we had, we had like admin settings to mute everybody, so there wasn't like awkward coughing in the background, or— because that happens a lot.

Josh: What throws you off when you're doing a talk?

Peter: Usually, like, if it's remote or Zoom, it's usually when someone's off mute and you can hear a conversation or a cough or a sneeze, or like someone typing an email. You're like, that's like just just mute that, please.

Tommy: My favourite was that we had a meeting with a client the other day, and every time they went to get an M&M, it would cut to them.

Peter: Instant cutting.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it must have been the visual or whatever. And so someone would be talking about something about this thing, blah blah blah, and then you just see it was great.

Peter: That is good.

Josh: So 2020, uh, what's on the cards?

Peter: I don't know, like I haven't sat down really and thought about new decade, new me or anything like that, but I'd like to keep doing a version of what I'm doing now is essentially how I've been thinking about it.

Tommy: The idea of the conference thing, I just had this moment when you were talking about all the rooms and all that sort of thing. I know we're still paying off LA and we can't— let's not talk about other shit. However, South— if there was a way that South by Southwest could happen, I feel like you'd be great to go with.

Peter: Yeah, it'd be good fun. I'm up for it. Is that what we're doing?

Josh: Oh, a physical trip?

Tommy: Yeah, a physical trip to like South by Southwest.

Peter: I'd love to.

Tommy: What do you think?

Mason: '97? Yeah, that sounds exciting.

Josh: What date is it?

Tommy: It's April.

Josh: So the exact dates—

Peter: I'm thinking I might be back in New York in April, so it could work out. He's popped in.

Josh: Jules Lund will be speaking.

Peter: Meet you guys.

Mason: March 13th to 22nd.

Peter: Yeah, that's pretty soon.

Tommy: That's probably irresponsible.

Peter: Is there a listener out there ready to sponsor us to get over there?

Tommy: I mean, yeah, but South by Southwest is this super interesting festival because it's like all the hotels, all the venues are taken over.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: And so have you been? Yeah. Yeah.. And so, it's not like— I just assumed maybe that it was all in this one sort of conference hall, like a Vegas-style thing where you sort of go and you get a map. But it's like really, I want to go see this thing, it's on the other part of the city. And so, you walk, you might walk 15 minutes to get to the next one. It's like the whole— It's almost like going to like Melbourne Comedy Festival or even like Music Week where it's not one specific venue. Every single venue is doing it.

Josh: That's the pub crawl.

Peter: And Austin's a cool city too.

Tommy: Oh, that's so cool.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: Have you been to many big conferences or expos?

Peter: I mean, TED is the main one. TEDx, TEDx Melbourne.

Josh: That's the one you spoke at, right?

Tommy: Melbourne Uni.

Peter: I spoke at Melbourne Uni. TEDx Melbourne's a bit bigger.

Josh: Is that online, the TED Talk that you did?

Peter: Not yet. No, they've got to submit it and then it gets approved and all that jazz. Yeah.

Josh: With your dancing. Fuck, that's making me feel like an idiot. That's not hitting the cut.

Peter: I thought that was in my head.

Josh: I didn't think I actually did it. I saw a big man sway back and forth. Jazz behind it. That's right.

Peter: Looked awesome.

Tommy: Yeah. The talking thing, going from the TED thing to looking at 2020, you're saying how you spoke to Seth about it. He said, just do more.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What is— if Seth is telling you do more, what does that look like for you?

Peter: So the backstory to that is I told Seth, you know, we were talking about when I was in New York speaking at TEDx.

Josh: Seth Godin.

Peter: Seth Godin. And he's— he was making us lunch. And without, like, without even—

Josh: can you just paint the picture? What's he making?

Peter: He was making like a sweet potato noodle kind of, because he's vegetarian, sort of vegetarian dish. It's delicious.

Josh: He's saying Game Changers.

Tommy: Yeah, before it was cool. Yeah, yeah.

Peter: Okay. Anyway, so without looking up, he's like, you should do 5 more. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, well, the thing about TEDx is no one speaks to other TEDx organizers. Everyone wants to have the TEDx event where their talk went viral. And the better— each time you do a TEDx talk, you'll be better. So you should do 5 because the 5th one will probably more likely to be the one that gets popular than the first one.

Josh: Love it.

Peter: And I was like, that's a fair point, that's a fair point. So I now need to find 4.

Tommy: So do you do all the same or are they all different?

Peter: Well, that's why I asked him and he was like, it doesn't matter, that's not the point. The point is to just do 5 talks.

Tommy: Oh great.

Josh: Yeah, but Seth, should I do a different talk?

Peter: Exactly. I know, be specific, Seth. He's like, I don't know, just do it.

Josh: But I guess that comedians tour a special for a year or like a stand-up thing for a year.

Peter: Yeah, it's one thing you find when you start to follow certain thought leaders or speakers or whatever is they say a lot of the same thing over and over and over again. Just in different parts of the world to different audiences.

Tommy: We'll start with Why, good example.

Peter: Right. It's over 10 years.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: It's a pretty simple concept, but it takes a while for people to get their heads around it.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: A friend told me that this company paid an exorbitant amount of money to get Brené Brown to come and do an hour. She doesn't do many talks. And he said that he saw her and they said it was her TED Talk.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: Which is like so valid. She's there and that's what they're getting her there for.

Peter: Well, the Netflix special is the same. It's like if you've read her books, you watch the Netflix special and it's just like her narrating her book. 'Oh yeah, I've heard all this,' with a few funny jokes. And she's very, very charismatic, but the content is still all the same as the stuff that's in her books.

Josh: Well, repetition is powerful. So it's— I can, I can get bogged down and go, 'Oh, people have seen that,' but most people haven't. Yeah, most people haven't seen you do it.

Peter: Exactly. Yeah. Or if they have, they probably benefit from hearing it again because I'll pick up something else.

Josh: Why do you think we all feel that? Like, what is, what is that? If we're worried, is it that we're getting called out as, 'Oh, you're a one-trick pony,' or—

Peter: I don't know, I've wondered that myself. It's something Jen and I speak about a lot, is we think we need to always come up with some brand new concept, but it's like maybe you just need to repeat the good concept over and over and over again until people really get it.

Tommy: It's because you're always in the room when you're doing the talk, right? So if you think about it, it's like they say, like, when a marketing manager gets sick of an advertisement, play it 50 more times. Because the thing is, it's like there is so much more opportunity or cut-through that happens. I guess that's similar with like social media. Uh, Mr. 97 and I, when we're talking about what we're going to post on Instagram, it's like if the algorithm is getting stronger and stronger in what it's weeding out, yeah, then if only 1 in 6 times someone's going to see our content, that means that we need to do 6 posts a day. Yeah, just to guarantee that someone is going to see our thing once.

Josh: Also, good quality content can sort of reach many times, so videos can go viral more than once. Yes, I've posted shit that was a good video. I'm like 'Let's see if this works again,' and it does.

Peter: Wow, that's crazy.

Tommy: What's like the TikTok example?

Josh: But even, uh, that's crazy. But even Facebook, the same video. Yeah, I should just post it again. Yeah, I heard— remember I did the 1,000 steps video? I was like, I counted the 1,000 steps, miscounted the first time, went back and realised I hadn't counted again. Anyway, so I came up with this, a number. I heard Fev reel out the number.

Tommy: Oh really?

Josh: He literally must have watched my video.

Tommy: It's amazing.

Josh: Mr. 97 was looking into it too, and he found like the, um, the council even were like, yeah, that's correct, that number.

Unknown: Really?

Peter: Wow.

Tommy: I feel like that Leon Chergren doing a one-pager affair, that could have something to do with it.

Josh: But the point being is if your talk's good, which it is, get it out.

Peter: Yeah, I'm speaking at Craig Harper's conference in February.

Josh: I'm pumped for that.

Peter: The You Project conference. And he was asking the other day what I want to speak about, and I was saying I'll just speak about a similar topic as I did with my TEDx topic, because there was 100 people in the room there, which is not the same 600 or 700 that are going to be in the room for yours. So I'll change it up a little bit, but it'll essentially be the same message.

Tommy: Yeah, I love that. It makes a lot of sense.

Josh: Can we get everyone to dance?

Peter: I might try. I might get Craig. I think I might try. Craig, I would love to.

Tommy: There's a video that would go viral. And do a bit of a singing bit as well.

Peter: Exactly.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: When we had, uh, Michael Bungay Stanier on, uh, he was talking about book publishing and writing a book. I've always been in your ear around, Peter, you're going to write a book, and you've always sort of pushed back on it. Hearing him talk and all that sort of thing, where do you sit on the whole book writing, coaches, thought leadership?

Peter: I think if anything, it validated my thought of not writing one at the moment because he was talking about how tedious and arduous and painful it is.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Peter: And he was like, you should just do some podcasts instead. And I was like, cool, that's what I'm doing. So thanks for validating that, Michael.

Josh: Yeah, I thought, what is it? It's the legacy media that we feel sometimes, but maybe because we've grown up with it, that it is super powerful. Books have changed people's lives, but so have other things. But podcasts, podcasts have changed people's lives. Blog posts have changed people's lives.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: And so we get sort of stuck to the medium.

Peter: Yeah. And I'm like, I guess it's maybe it's a— I don't know if it's a generational thing, but I just the thought of it taking so long to get out there, it's just like, I just want to be able to record something and push it, record something and push it, rather than like writing and writing and writing and writing and writing. What's your—

Tommy: what's your information diet been in 2019? What have you been consuming?

Peter: Lean information diet.

Josh: Fish, fish content.

Peter: Fish, lots of fish content. Yeah, now information diet has been— I've sort of dwindled down the podcast that I subscribe to, which has been good. So a lot of Debbie Millman a lot of Krista. Debbie, Debbie Millman, she does Design Matters. Oh yeah, yeah, she's phenomenal. I really, really like her. Her podcast is great. She's probably one of the best interviewers that I follow, I reckon. So she's great. Krista Tippett's great. The Daily Talk Show Boys is pretty good.

Josh: Thank you, man.

Peter: They're solid. And that's kind of it. I sort of pick and choose the Tim Ferriss podcast based on who the guest is, a bit like Joe Rogan, but I don't subscribe to them as much anymore. And then we're trying to replace a lot of that with audiobooks as well, reading audiobooks, TJ.

Tommy: Yeah, appreciate that.

Josh: You're not ready. Also, you're listening.

Tommy: Um, the phone thing, like, I've talked a lot over the year, even like 2 years. If you think about, if you go back, remember when you retired? Yeah, retired from social media. Retired from social media.

Peter: It was crazy.

Josh: Was that a longer stint than your vegetarianism?

Tommy: Yeah, well, that was retired for a year.

Peter: Yeah, really?

Tommy: Was it a year?

Peter: I want to say 6 months. It was solid.

Tommy: When did I start? I reckon it's very hard. Oh, you know what? No, no, no, it would have been— so because I unarchived a bunch of shit, but it was—

Josh: nah, dude, I reckon it would have been 2 months.

Peter: No, I thought it was like 6.

Josh: So when you got back from overseas was November or something, October, November, and we came into this office earlier this year, March.

Tommy: Geez, time.

Josh: And so then that's not like— it feels like it's been this— it feels like 10 years, this one year, to be honest.

Peter: I think it's been Outrageous.

Josh: It's a big one.

Tommy: But, um, yeah, the social media stuff, like, I've gone back the, the other way, which is seeing the value in posting stuff.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: And so trying to break up, like, with all the stuff that we do, it's like so easy to go guest photo, guest photo, especially on my personal one, right? Every time we have a guest on, putting up a photo and all looks the same.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: And so I'm trying to like say, okay, if I did a, a post a day that wasn't that, yeah, that could be interesting.

Peter: How do you find it?

Tommy: Posting.

Peter: Yeah, like, do you get the anxiety of social media?

Tommy: The things— nah, so the things that I posted that I was happy about, they end up doing well and maybe serving. So for instance, um, uh, on Friday I did the post of Harry. Yeah, uh, about, uh, work experience Harry, who—

Josh: I mean, but you were just leveraging his stardom. Exactly.

Tommy: I was like, Harry's a good quality guy, I want to be aligned. There's a reason why I'm in the photo with him. I want to create an alignment with Harry.

Peter: Absolutely, that's fair.

Tommy: Um, yeah, but those types. And I also got the new phone, I wanted to use the wide angle.

Josh: So the— run me through.

Peter: I struggle.

Josh: I struggle. You've just taken a photo.

Peter: I struggle so much with the— especially Instagram. I don't know what it is about the— just the overthinking, or like the fear of judgement when you like put a photo up. I still have it so much.

Josh: And so it's— it is the judgement of people looking at it.

Peter: I think it's the fear of other people's opinions.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I can give you an update, guys.

Peter: People's opinions.

Tommy: It was, um, June 19th, and so when I got back on, and so I— the last post I had done was November 1st, 2018, and so it's 6 months, 6 or 7 months.

Josh: Yeah, that's good. Geez, that's flown.

Tommy: Yeah, so it's been outrageous.

Josh: And then we were in here.

Tommy: But yeah, yeah, so the first post that I did was studio, in the studio.

Josh: Did you say you're back?

Peter: And then yeah, yeah, baby's back after 8 months of retirement. Do you find it, the anxiety of like posting and sharing? And do you get it?

Josh: I can't stand it. But my— the reason I was saying, is it about the people? It's not about the people for me. I don't know, there's a friction point at just like the caption and then just like thinking about what it all— what it means to the other stuff I've been posting. Yeah, maybe it's easier if you're a fishing guy and you're just posting photos of your catch. Fucking, here's my latest catch. Yeah, here's my latest.

Unknown: Boring than looking at photos of people holding fish.

Tommy: He's right.

Josh: There's a lot of Instagram accounts I with way more followers than all of us.

Peter: Yeah, that are fishing. I just—

Josh: and they're living their best life.

Peter: So I had a month where you actually challenged me, Josh, from one of our walks. You challenged me to lean into social media more and do storeys and post. And I started doing these little like clips every time we had a podcast episode or every time I wrote a blog. And I got some good feedback, some really nice feedback from them. But I just— the, the like anxiety and the tension I felt of doing it, I was like, I don't know if I can do this.

Josh: So the benefit wasn't in that way, the feeling?

Peter: Not really, not for me. And I don't know why. I don't know what the benefit was beyond like a few people would say, those are really cool.

Tommy: And what about all the people that weren't saying anything, but you were in their mind and thinking? But it can be a positive, it can be a negative or positive, right? There can be the storey of like, people aren't saying anything, thinking negative things, or the opposite, which is like there's heaps of people who are seeing it.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: Which then, yeah. What is the benefit of more people knowing what you're doing?

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: It's a great one. I think it's probably one of the flaws that I need to work through, which is the fear of people's opinions and the the people-pleasing syndrome, I guess, is what I would refer to it as.

Josh: But I mean, you've— you're balls deep, as Grant Smiley says, um, into that. Like, you're the guy doing the TEDx talk. Yeah, you're the guy standing in front of lots of people doing a 100-person—

Peter: yeah, which I don't mind doing that. It's the posting about it afterwards that gives me so much anxiety. And I—

Tommy: he's balls deep but he won't even kiss. There's a bit of that sort of— 97, the social media thing, your relationship with it. You've got @Mr97 on Instagram.

Josh: When was the last post? Can you pull up?

Mason: Uh, 500 before he went away.

Josh: Oh great.

Mason: Actually, it was on the plane. It's just before we were taking off, I posted it.

Josh: That was a good like carousel of images. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.

Mason: Oh, I like, I like doing—

Josh: He caught up on a year's worth of posts in one post.

Mason: Batching. It's great, you just, you just get a bunch of photos. So for the LA one, yeah, I'll just do one post and it'll have like 10 photos the entire trip.

Josh: Yeah, you will, or you did? No, I will. What year? 2020 or 2019?

Mason: No, it'll actually— it was in, it was in my, um, little book today. Yeah, today.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So how are you— so you've got a book? You're talking about your little book? Describe, what is it?

Mason: Well, it's literally just a checklist of, of stuff that I write down in the morning to to get whatever I'm thinking about out of my head. And then on the other side, on the left side of it, it's just like, um, like a gratitude journal. And then potentially the question of the day, which is either suggested by Josh or Tommy or just a question or something that I've been thinking about.

Josh: I haven't been told that.

Tommy: I was giving— it was just— he's trying to spread the—

Josh: but no, yeah, I give the question.

Mason: You can give—

Peter: yeah, you can just rely on someone texting it through to you. Is that what happens?

Tommy: No, I just say one-on-one because I do the one-on-one runs with 90 SEVs. Yeah, I will say if there is something like, have you got a question of the day? If he doesn't, I'll say maybe it could be— oh yeah, so one of them could be, um, say for instance we're looking at business models and all that sort of thing, so it could be, uh, who within your network would be interested in what we do? And then he can riff on that and then, you know, find answers.

Peter: Nice.

Josh: Can you give him one, Pete? Because I can't think of one for you.

Peter: I'm just trying to think.

Josh: Other than what's for lunch.

Tommy: What's for lunch?

Peter: So tomorrow there's a great question by a guy called Jerry Colonna, which haunts me actually.

Tommy: Who's Jerry Colonna?

Peter: So he's a famous— oh no, he's an executive coach in New York. He coaches like—

Josh: colleague or friend or friend of Seth's?

Peter: So I'll call him a friend. Yeah, great. He's the CEO. He coaches a bunch of executive CEOs in, in New York, including like the CEO of Gimlet and the CEO of Shopify, I think. These kind of people. Anyway, he asked this question, which takes a while to get your head around, which is, how are you complicit in creating the conditions you say you don't want?

Josh: Say it again.

Peter: How are you complicit in creating the conditions you say you don't want?

Josh: So creating the stuff that I don't want, so I don't—

Peter: we complain about like, oh, I hate the fact that I'm not earning enough money. Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, but how are you complicit?

Josh: What's your hand in actually the creation of that?

Peter: Like, you're creating that.

Tommy: Well, it's radical, like, ownership, isn't it?

Peter: Yeah, that's the idea. So it's own your own, your shit, and figure out a way to get away, away from it. But that that question, I think, is— because it's really easy to point the finger elsewhere. It's basically like, what do you blame Mondays? Exactly.

Josh: It's just about—

Tommy: yeah, it's just Monday for December. We just did it all week. It's a bit of a celebration for the, for the sort of new year.

Peter: Yeah. So there's a question to noodle on.

Mason: That's a great question. I love it.

Peter: Thanks, mate.

Tommy: How are you finding the blogging every week?

Peter: I love it. Still love it. Yeah, the practise of sitting down on a Sunday afternoon with no idea what I'm going to say, and then you sit there for an hour or so, and then you come up with something and you go, oh well, I'll ship that, even if and 95% of the time I think that's crap, but that's all right.

Josh: Have you thought about doing it daily?

Peter: I have, yeah, it's definitely crossed my mind, but I just— I like— I'd write once a day in my journal, but it doesn't feel like the sort of writing that's worth putting out into the wild.

Tommy: Do you take stuff from the journal and put it into the blog?

Peter: Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes I'll look back at the week of journaling and go, oh, actually that's interesting, I might write about that. But other times it's just like you know, garbage or gibberish or like real deep dark thoughts.

Josh: The hard thing, like the social media bit, the blogging every day, they're doing the podcast every day. If you were to put it on a piece of paper, and if one of the— if you knew that one of these things would get you further towards where you want to go, whatever it is—

Tommy: 90 cents, I needed to burp and I just burst off camera. That's what I was doing. He was laughing at it. I wasn't. I actually was completely serious. I wasn't being funny then, but he was laughing.

Josh: Sorry. Do you think you'd still do it even if you knew? Like, you think about, okay, you daily blog for the next year and it will make you as big as Seth Godin or something.

Tommy: I don't know.

Peter: Yeah. You think you would do it?

Josh: No, I'm saying, would you do it even if you know? So the thing is, we don't know. That's the one thing we all fucking know.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: But even if you did know, do you think it would be enough to commit to it and actually do it successfully?

Tommy: I'm just trying to understand the outcome.

Josh: So I'm just trying to understand, because there is no assurity in any of the stuff we do. Yeah. And even if we did know, would you even stick at doing it?

Peter: Yeah, that's a really interesting question. I think that's why we should do things that you enjoy the process for, because we can't control the outcome. I would imagine if I— if there was an outcome that I really wanted, I think I'd be pretty good at sticking to something to get that outcome. But I'm trying to do the opposite, which is like unattached from the outcome and enjoy the process.

Josh: Well, I like to think that I would— if I knew that putting out a video a day wouldn't be the thing, I'd like to think I could do it. But I also think that maybe—

Tommy: but if it is, it like, it would be the thing, but you're kind of doing that.

Josh: So let's say something else, like writing a blog a day would make me the other thing. I still think it'd fuck with me too much.

Tommy: But that's a bit— that fucking with you is friction, which is progress.

Josh: Yeah, but so there's friction in shitloads of things that people need to do that probably would get them closer, but they don't do it because of the friction.

Tommy: The fear that it's the wrong friction. So for instance, yeah, it's like saying—

Josh: it's like him, Pete, saying find the thing that you love doing that you can be in the process. So you love the process even when there's friction, because there's always friction. So there is friction, there's things you love that have friction, which is like editing and stuff. For me, there— it's, it's not easy, there's a lot of friction there. Problem solving.

Tommy: But what about, I guess, yeah, the thing around working on things that you're not good at?

Josh: Yeah, so I was thinking this recently, doubling down. You know how they say, uh, double down on the things you're good at? Yeah, strengths. At what point do you not do that? Because I think I've doubled down on the thing that I'm— that is of less friction, which is not scripting things, being more in the moment, ad-lib. So it serves you to a point, right? You become the ad-lib guy.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Or you become the person that doesn't need to really have a script. You have a out points and fucking riff. But then when should you lean into the written out, very articulate, and you can ship it as written, or you could say it as a speech, or you could, you know, like, yeah, when, when do you sort of lean into that? When do you know?

Peter: Yeah, I don't know if you do. I think that's a practice, right? Because I'm, I'm like you, I like ad-lib. I like to show up and not necessarily have a set structure on what I'm going to talk about. I might have some ideas and I'll riff about them, but sometimes, I mean, the TED Talk was a great example. It requires you to essentially have a script and they, they like coach you and they make you send them the script of your talk, which is the opposite of how I've done most of my talks. So I actually, I actually talked it and then sent it through a transcript software. That was how I wrote the script, as opposed to typing it like an essay and then reading it, which I think is what most people do. But yeah, I don't know. I don't actually know the answer to that. When do you, when do you like lean into your blind spots or double down on your blind spots? As opposed to doubling down on your strengths. I don't know.

Tommy: Uh, TJ, you talk about writing. You want to do more writing, you want to become a better writer.

Josh: Well, I actually think it's because it's the— it all comes back to exactly what I was saying. I see it as a weakness, and so it's not a strength. It's a, it's a high friction thing for me cognitively. The other thing is not so much, but then I go I question the double down your strengths because it's like at some point there is something that needs to be a part. So you need an element of that. And so if you can get small amounts of that, doesn't mean I want to write a fucking book or blog every day, but it's like there's bits. And so I don't know. And then maybe it is just going to be a friction always that does create some visceral response to me when I sit down to write.

Peter: Yeah, I guess there's got to be some intention behind it too, right? Like the the idea of what's it for. So it's like, I want to improve my writing so that— what? Like, if there's just so that I'm a better writer, maybe there's not enough actual, like, reason to do it. But if it's so that all of the work that we do moving forward is even better, or so that the business gets better because I'm writing better business proposals, I feel like the intention behind that would make you do it or encourage you to do it more than just because I feel like it's a weakness I want to get better at. I feel like there's got to be some intention as to why you're working on that.

Tommy: Is there some universality in the writing bit, which is actually writing is thinking as well.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: And so writing isn't necessarily like some of the other things, like hard skills. It's actually a way of processing and all that sort of thing, which is the bigger piece in the whole thing.

Peter: I think writing is thinking and processing for sure. In the same way that you've been talking a bit about, about going to see like a psychologist to talk out loud about things, I think writing for me has a similar impact.

Josh: Is that in your morning pages?

Peter: Yeah, yeah, in the one page that I write in the morning. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And then so what about the distinction between that just being sort of, you know, flow, stream of consciousness, stream of consciousness, yeah, versus making it sensical?

Tommy: So if you write, I guess part of it is if, if you write an email for a client, you've had to do the work and the thinking to synthesise and to communicate. And so then it takes the communicating, the thinking. That's where I think the power of writing is, like it is in the, the transfer of information rather than the specifics of where a comma goes.

Josh: Oh, that's not even what I've given up on all that shit. You know that.

Tommy: Grammar.

Josh: I don't give a fuck about that. It doesn't mean anything.

Tommy: And so what is it then in the writing? So it's, it's not the grammar or punctuation.

Josh: I think there's a real intention to an email. What's the information that I need to get across to this person? What have they said to me? So what's the stimulus? What's the questions they've asked me?

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: And then just formulating that.

Peter: Yeah. So for me, that's the, like, the stream of consciousness is different. You're right. So the blog on a Sunday. Yeah. So the intention behind that is not just stream of consciousness. It's like, can I put forward an idea worth noodling on, worth thinking about?

Josh: Exactly. Yeah. Because I can go hard on that stream.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: Right. Sometimes I'm rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit. Fuck, what's that outside?

Peter: Exactly.

Josh: You know, you can do it, but then when it's trying to formulate it to be sensical and flow. And so, yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a hard one.

Tommy: Yeah.

Peter: And I just think it's a practice. Like, I think that's why I do it every Sunday, because I think every time you do it, you get a little bit better at it.

Josh: Um, is there something that doesn't come natural to you that you've identified that you sort of push to the side?

Peter: Like, plenty, plenty. Yeah, plenty. I think planning is probably one of the main ones. I feel like we might have spoken about this on one of my Nine appearances, but yeah, the ability—

Josh: how many minutes?

Peter: The ability to plan ahead.

Mason: 9.6 hours.

Peter: 9.6 hours.

Tommy: That's just about the 10 Spotify score for there you go.

Peter: Yeah, 9.6. So I think, yeah, my ability to plan ahead has always been a bit of a weakness. I've, I've could frame it as a strength because I'm like, I'm always in the moment and I'm able to be ad-lib, but there are definitely moments in time where I've been like, I really should have planned ahead for this moment. I wish I had been able to do that. And the people around me, I think that's who it impacts the most.

Tommy: That's why you push back on planners so much.

Peter: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Um, we're thinking about turning Sundays from a normal weekend banter. And so the reason why we're thinking this, Harry was saying that he was doing his HSC, he was struggling to keep up, he was getting FOMO. And so you fall off the wagon in regards to listening to the show. A bunch of people who were listening or watching through Matt Diavella's feature that he did on us were saying it would be great to have specific bits, which is highlights that I can watch that's not going to require the 10 hours a week or whatever.

Peter: So like a Sunday recap.

Tommy: Exactly. And so we were thinking the Sunday catch-up where it's the best of goes around 40 minutes of that type of content with a 10-minute bit.

Josh: And when we say catch-up, it's from the week, 6 full shows, finding great bits.

Peter: So you distil each one to like 5 or 10 minutes.

Tommy: Well, no, so we're even trying to work that out. So do you need to represent every show, um, in the catch-up?

Josh: Not necessarily a highlight. If there's a highlight and it's a great bit that adds to the storey or the narrative for the week.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: Or it's a great guest, like this week's been huge. Yeah. Michael Bungo Stadia, he was great. Lady Brains. Who else have we had?

Tommy: Jem.

Josh: Jem, Harry. There's so much been going on.

Peter: Yeah.

Josh: And then Pete.

Tommy: And so, and so, yeah, I guess the question becomes So like user experience, I start thinking about that. And so if we put it within the feed, because one of, uh, one of the listeners said, will it be a separate feed? I hate the idea of having two.

Josh: I know, too much time.

Peter: I think so. In front of the number, you just write recap in brackets or something.

Tommy: So this is another thing I'm obsessed with, the numbers.

Peter: How annoying is the Apple Podcast thing?

Tommy: Yeah, very annoying. But the question around, do we think a recap, the catch-up episode.

Peter: Does it count as a number?

Tommy: Does it count as a number?

Peter: I think, I think so. Yeah, especially if you're doing, if you're doing a unique start.

Unknown: Yep.

Tommy: Because it will have a unique bit at the start.

Peter: Yeah.

Unknown: Yeah, I think it's because you have your, you like your signpost at the start, you can say your number there.

Tommy: And so we would say like, it's a daily talk show, uh, for catch-up for Sunday. TJ, what was your favourite bit of the week?

Josh: Yeah. And then you'll be like, it's Pete's legs under the table. You didn't see them? Yeah, they were there.

Tommy: And I really Um, what fucked you up? Because I didn't wear my shirt. I normally wear shorts. Yeah, I know, every single day.

Peter: It's so formal. Pants, what's going on?

Josh: It would have been skin on skin.

Tommy: No, it would be perfect. So what do we— any, any feedback or thoughts, or what are some questions, um, that we could ask to get some more clarity around this?

Peter: I like it. Firstly, I think the, the what's it for feels clear, which is to help people catch up on your show, and maybe you get all of a sudden new listeners that only listen on a Sunday, which is fine.

Tommy: The catch-up crew.

Unknown: Yeah, it's like church.

Mason: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah, so you might have the Gronk Squad and then you might have the Catch-Up Crew. Yeah, slightly different audience.

Tommy: And the other interesting thing about the Catch-Up Crew is that someone might listen to the Sunday catch-up and then go back, and then they'll be like, fuck, I loved the episode with Pete, I'm actually going to listen. So it actually becomes an onboarding from last week's bits of content.

Josh: Yeah, you want to deep dive with Pete, go back to episode.

Peter: Yeah, and so you could lead with that if new people, if people that are new you could say, hey, just cheque out one of the recap episodes, and then if you like it, pick and choose. It's like a menu, you can pick and choose from there.

Josh: It's a really great way to finish off the week.

Unknown: So the profits that come from the catch-up show, do I get 10 or 20%?

Tommy: Yeah, you can get 100% for the next week.

Peter: Have you been listening to the show, Harry? There's a lot of talk about monetisation.

Tommy: He's too busy using the company card. Yeah. How much did you spend on Fat Fridays?

Unknown: Uh, $25 or something.

Tommy: You said it was $10. Yeah, and you didn't get us a receipt.

Unknown: And I didn't get a receipt.

Tommy: Come on, it's disappointing to say the least. Um, podcasting in 2020 for you, what's been the learnings from 2019? Is that a full— have you done more than a year now?

Peter: Yeah, 62, I think. So just over a year.

Tommy: So 62 episodes, one a week, every week, 62 weeks.

Peter: 62 weeks. So learnings have been this year in particular, we fell out of the habit of having a can, so like 10 in the backlog, so that we could just pick and choose. And we got into the, I think, the unhelpful habit, which is like, we better record an episode for this week and doing that, which meant we weren't able to focus on other stuff that we want to do and build together. So we're recalibrating on that. The other thing we love doing was episodes in person. Shocker. Which is when you're in the same room. When I'm in New York, we can actually try and record like 10 to 15, a bit like what you guys do when you're in LA. So we're going to try and do that next year when I'm in. What about guests? I'm in New York. We have been talking about that. We've got a few pretty cool potential guests lined up and we might do like, we're thinking maybe once a quarter or once every couple of months, just throwing in a guest episode.

Josh: Fuck, this is contentious. Will Seth Godin do it under 100? Because that's his rule.

Tommy: No, definitely.

Josh: I mean, he seems like a guy that sticks to his rules, sticks to his rules. So you know him better than I do.

Peter: I could send him a message and we'll find out.

Unknown: Thanks.

Tommy: Yeah, just mention that you've been on the Daily Talk Show.

Peter: There's two weirdos over here.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. Harry, this is officially your final episode.

Peter: Yes, it's a goodbye.

Tommy: It's been a work experience. Thank you for everything.

Unknown: Oh, thank you for having me.

Tommy: We've had so much fun. Any highlights? And I've asked you throughout the week and you've sort of failed fast. Have you got anything? Dig deep.

Josh: Dig deep.

Peter: You got this, Harry.

Unknown: I think Michael's episode was a big eye-opener.

Peter: You did great, by the way. That was really good.

Unknown: Yeah, well, now I've got to bloody post once a week, so now I've got that stress on my—

Tommy: And you're gaining followers, uh, slowly.

Peter: Have we come up with a nickname?

Unknown: A nickname?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Well, you know, he messaged me last night. I love the message because he's like, uh, yeah, like this is boss. Hi boss.

Peter: Hi boss.

Tommy: He knows, he knows how to— I said to Nani, will you start calling me boss?

Peter: Yeah, you would really—

Tommy: Absolutely not. I said maybe I get Tommy to They started calling me boss, but he said, hi boss, and he signed off, teenage Gronkh.

Peter: Teenage Gronkh, not bad.

Unknown: Well, I thought there's Queen Gronkh, Tall Gronkh, King Gronkh.

Josh: So, teenage Gronkh.

Peter: Teen Gronkh, yeah. Which will be awkward when you turn 20, but that's okay.

Josh: Yeah, you're done.

Peter: For the next little bit, it'll be good. Yeah.

Tommy: I like work experience Harry.

Peter: Yeah, it's pretty long though. What about intern Harry?

Tommy: Now interns too. Oh, Dill was intern.

Peter: Yeah, he was.

Tommy: Oh, because he was, you know, from North America. 3D deal.

Josh: Yeah, he got there.

Peter: Work experience Harry's not bad.

Tommy: Anything else that we could call you?

Josh: Florey.

Unknown: Yeah, that was a recommendation, but I didn't like that.

Josh: Yeah, well, look, to be honest, I don't get it at all. Florey, floor manager. Harry Florey.

Tommy: Who said that?

Josh: Who was someone in the—

Peter: oh, it was in our DMs. Floor manager Harry's not bad.

Josh: I really liked it.

Tommy: You said work experience Harry's too long. Floor manager Harry. I mean, same.

Peter: Floor manager working experience Harry. Yeah, what about Haz?

Unknown: I just like Harry.

Peter: You just like Harry?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, but that's not— we've been through this, it's not what it's about.

Josh: We need a character.

Tommy: Yeah, we need to really sort of— Happy Harry off camera. I like Happy Harry.

Peter: Happy Harry.

Josh: Are you happy?

Unknown: Like, yeah, I'm happy.

Peter: You're a pretty happy guy.

Josh: Out of a week, 7 days, how many are you happy? 6.

Tommy: Oh, that's about as much as—

Peter: and which day is the bad day? Sunday.

Unknown: Sundays. I hate Sundays.

Peter: Really? It's a strong word, hate, Harry.

Tommy: What do you hate about—

Unknown: and that's why I used it.

Peter: Okay, cut through.

Tommy: Why do you hate it?

Peter: What about Hating Harry?

Tommy: Hateful Harry, just for Sundays. Now, what do you hate about Sundays?

Unknown: Um, I think it's just being the end of the week.

Tommy: I think like, how many times is he pushing the end of the week bullshit?

Unknown: Like, like, it's just been such a good week and then I've got to start again, go back to, go back to The start, start all over again.

Tommy: What if you didn't look at it like that?

Peter: Could you reframe that, Harry?

Tommy: Could you reframe it?

Unknown: What do you mean? Oh, so come across and say Saturday is the last day of the week?

Peter: No, no, like reframe the fact that instead of it, the end of the week being a bad thing, what if it was a great thing? What if it was like tying the bow on a great week and then you get to move on and do something fresh?

Mason: What if you get to build on each week? So last week was a great week, and so this week's going to be even better. So you just keep building each week, just level up every week.

Peter: How do you feel about that, Harry?

Unknown: Yeah, but then when I'm like 80 years old, I can't improve my week by week very well.

Peter: Absolutely you can. You can always improve. Just read an extra book or listen. Gain a bit of knowledge or listen.

Josh: I like Happy Harry. Happy Harry makes us happy.

Unknown: Yeah, I'll be happy to swap.

Tommy: I'll save the dot-com available.

Peter: Can we get that?

Tommy: Happy Harry?

Peter: I'm sure it's taken.

Unknown: I can't afford another domain.

Peter: Either—

Tommy: can we— maybe our friends at Venture IP can help us out.

Peter: Happy Harry.

Tommy: Where do I go?

Mason: Nah, Happy Harry's Renovate. Appreciate some laminate.

Tommy: On Instagram? Laminate?

Peter: Or the website? What about Instagram? Oh, Happy Haz?

Mason: Happy Harry is Happy Gordon on Instagram.

Peter: We'll send him a message. Yeah, Happy Hazza? Happy Haz?

Unknown: No, I don't—

Josh: I mean, he doesn't have to have it.

Peter: Doesn't have to take the happyharry.com or thehappyharry.com.

Tommy: Gladharry.com.

Josh: The happyharry.

Unknown: I'll just put it in my bio. Happyharry.

Tommy: Funnyharry.com.

Josh: No, can you do, um, happyharry-the daily talk show?

Tommy: Happyharry.

Josh: That's good. Okay, we're getting in his link in his bio.

Peter: What about like happy.harry on Instagram?

Tommy: Surely that would be golden. Harryhappyharry.farm.

Peter: This is solid content, I'm sure.

Tommy: What about that?

Mason: Happyharry.com.

Unknown: I don't want to brand myself. Why not?

Josh: Because he's trying to—

Unknown: I'm trying to get away.

Josh: He needs happyharry.melbourne.

Peter: What about happyharry.me? It's pretty solid.

Tommy: Happyharry.today is available.

Unknown: Is there a .lodge?

Peter: No.

Tommy: Happyharry.solutions. Happyharry.zone. There's heaps.

Unknown: Christina and I always talk about all the domain extensions that you can get. I wonder if there's a .lodge.

Tommy: Happyharry.menu.

Peter: Yeah, happyharry.singles was available.

Tommy: Yeah, so I mean, the issue is So are we— do we need all the domain names if we're going to go with the nickname?

Peter: Instagram first. You want the Instagram?

Unknown: Okay, I'll do that.

Peter: Let's do it.

Mason: So what's the name? The Happy Harry.

Tommy: What about Helpful Harry?

Josh: Helpful Harry?

Unknown: Oh no, that's too airy-fairy.

Peter: He wants to be happy.

Unknown: I want to be happy.

Peter: Happy Harry except on Sundays.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah, I love that. It's a quirk. You're a quirk, dude.

Peter: That's your description.

Tommy: Can we get Angry Harry as a character on the Sundays. Who phones in?

Peter: Unhappy Harry.

Unknown: Catch up, on the catch-up.

Tommy: Yeah, can we do like a little bit now?

Josh: Get out, get out, it's Harry's bloody Sunday. It's bloody annoying.

Tommy: Talk to Angry Harry for a moment.

Unknown: Can we interview him? Satellite?

Peter: This is Sunday.

Tommy: It's Sunday. So come in, uh, it's the Daily Talk Show and it's, uh, the catch-up.

Unknown: You know what gives me the shits?

Tommy: What? Oh, it's Angry Harry.

Unknown: What's up? Is when you go to the supermarket and you're queuing And then they open up the next register and the person behind you goes to the next register. Shouldn't the person closest who's been waiting the longest go to the next register?

Tommy: Yeah, Harry.

Unknown: And then you feel like you've got to say something, but then you can't.

Peter: Why?

Unknown: Well, because then they'll throw a punch or something like that.

Tommy: Not everyone's angry though, Harry.

Unknown: Well, you never know. Like on a Sunday, everyone's angry.

Tommy: Very good. It's got a bit of Hughsy Loses. It sort of does. Yeah, like Angry Harry.

Peter: A little bit of What Grinds My Gears.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, very good.

Peter: Okay, great.

Josh: Well, um, or we could just stay with Happy Harry. So it's just like, isn't he meant to be happy?

Peter: Yeah, that's ironic. Some of us have an ironic nickname.

Tommy: Could we do a little— could you be in our catch-up things? Maybe that's where we— maybe, hang on, this is a great little bit. Catch up every single Sunday, we catch up with one other person. So fuck, this is great. 3D Dill, Happy Harry, we— on the Sunday, we— they join us for the intro and we can—

Josh: we may as well just do another show.

Tommy: No, no, no, so it's 10 minutes, just as much work. It's 10 minutes. It's not about doing less work. It's about actually doing it for the audience. I think there's something in, say if we had 3D Dill, we could be like, hey mate, did you catch up with anything from the week? He could say, I love these bits. So, we could actually say to the person.

Unknown: So, you get a viewer's perspective on the week.

Tommy: Exactly. And so, we could actually get a person to take some of the pressure off. You notice it. Was that you burping, Harry?

Unknown: Sorry.

Tommy: Happy Harry. Happy Harry's just burped. 97. We could even— it's almost like, what was the music show? But Rage.

Josh: Yeah. So here's another idea. You could get a, like a voicemail. People could leave giving like a, hey, hey guys, I love this bit. It helped me a lot.

Peter: Like a Kimbo. You record a little question or—

Josh: I don't want to be seen to be copying a Kimbo, but yeah, a few podcasts do it. Yeah. So it's like a voicemail. Yeah. But then the character, we can have the characters on. Yeah.

Unknown: Okay.

Tommy: So yeah, we could do, yeah. Happy Harry joins us for catch up., and then we tell you a week in advance, Harry. And so you find a few of your favourite bits.

Josh: So what time is it, Harry?

Tommy: Yeah, we've got to go.

Unknown: 1:15 to 2. You've got a meeting.

Peter: Harry, it's great.

Tommy: That's good.

Josh: That's good. Happy Harry. Thank you for being here for the week, man.

Tommy: Pete Shepherd, thank you. We love you and your white t-shirt.

Peter: Thanks for having me. Very excited.

Tommy: It looks great. Just wanted to throw— the shorts are great too.

Josh: Yeah, thanks. I was going to give him a compliment. You smell good. What's that? What's that cologne you're wearing?

Peter: Actually, I don't know how to pronounce it. It's the one that's B-L-V-G—

Mason: Bulgari.

Peter: Yeah, that one. Thank you. Do you—

Tommy: what do you know about Bulgari?

Mason: No, because nice brand.

Peter: You know where I got that?

Mason: Where did you get it?

Peter: When I was flying in business class on an Emirates flight, they give you like a— really? And I was like, this stuff is amazing. So I bought some.

Tommy: I gave them— I got a candle when I was on Singapore first. I gave it to my Airbnb.

Josh: Yeah, right there on the plane.

Tommy: Surely you can't do that. No flames.

Josh: No, no, no, no way.

Peter: No open flames on a plane.

Josh: No drones, no flames.

Mason: You're allowed, you're allowed a baby horse though. Miniature horse. Up to 45 kg as a support animal.

Josh: That's a solid little fucking horse.

Peter: That's like that Shetland pony we saw the other day.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: All right.

Tommy: It's a daily talk show. See you tomorrow, guys.

Josh: See you guys.

Peter: See you guys.