Our First Weekend Banter With The Gronks

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 385 and it's weekend banter.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? I think we need to do— this is the very first one. Let's do a roll call starting with Mr. 97. Yeah, mate, you fuck this every time.

Josh: Oh, because you want— you want him to say present?

Tommy: Yeah, here isn't present, just, just so you know. Yeah, 3D deal.

Peter: Present.

Tommy: Uh, Josh Janson?

Josh: Present.

Tommy: Gemma Watts?

Gemma: Present.

Tommy: Pete Shepherd? Present. Thomas Jackett? Present. What's going on, guys?

Gemma: How are we? That's it. That's weekend banter.

Josh: Well, there's that 10 minutes that I was wondering about. That's fine. No, that's fine. I've got to prep for that. Yeah, it's Saturday for people who are listening. Yeah. Which is Saturday. Yes.

Tommy: Which is the 6th day of the week.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: I gotcha.

Gemma: I disagree.

Tommy: Is that something? Because we've spoken about this. So have we got 2 on 2 here? I believe that the first day of the week's Monday.

Gemma: No.

Tommy: Yes. Yes.

Gemma: Okay, great.

Tommy: So Pete's working off my thinking and Josh and Gemma, you think Sunday.

Peter: Sunday.

Gemma: What we're working off is what's correct.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: But do we work that out?

Peter: In what world?

Tommy: Do we work it out?

Peter: I think it's an American thing.

Gemma: Well, I mean, uh, there's no point arguing, is there?

Josh: Well, I think that it didn't really go anywhere on the show, but that's what Weekend Banter is about. It's about really drumming in the shit bits into a weekend. I'm glad you invited us. Yeah, well, this is— you guys, this is— you guys are the minimum viable bronx with the idea that we can— we're in a safe space where we can talk shit, we can really be vulnerable, and we're all going to— I'm just looking at Gemma. This is a bad idea. We can all be supportive of one another.

Tommy: Okay, so you guys know—

Gemma: sorry, did you mean to bring me into that?

Tommy: Gemma and Pete, you guys know each other from the internet.

Gemma: Yeah, through you.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, through this show.

Peter: Yeah, yeah. A couple of gronks I met on Instagram through YouTube.

Gemma: I had something. Dyl, do you want to rifle through my bag? Normally it's Tommy that goes through my hammock. You'll know what it is as soon as you see it. You'll know what you're looking for.

Tommy: Oh, okay, okay. Just—

Josh: oh my goodness, what do we got?

Tommy: Okay, here we go.

Josh: This is great.

Gemma: I was going to bring one for you, but I noticed that they referred to me as Queen Gronkh and then started to call you— it's not going to fit, but I'll just perch it there for a little bit. They started to call you King Gronkh and then just changed it to Tall Gronkh.

Peter: I noticed that too.

Josh: Wait, so were we going to call you King Gronkh? Is that what you just said?

Peter: No, it was on the episode, I think, where you said Gemma Watts, Queen Gronkh, and Pete Shepherd, uh, King— oh no, Tall Gronkh.

Josh: Well, I didn't want it to seem like some form of, um, You know, in arranged marriage. Yeah. You know, the US, you know, the US, they do that. What's the thing where they, the formal and they—

Tommy: The Deb?

Josh: No, it's not Deb though.

Peter: It's the prom. Prom.

Josh: And they have the prom king and queen. I didn't want to sort of set up—

Gemma: And then we have to do a dance.

Josh: Yeah, I didn't want to have to set up that dynamic early on.

Gemma: That's fair.

Peter: I appreciate it.

Josh: But we did mention on Friday's episode, which we're recording Friday, Weekend Banter is pre-recorded.

Tommy: Do you think we'll drop any of that talk moving forward? Because people know they're just listening when you're listening. That way there's no confusion. It's too confusing for people. If you're listening to this on Monday, the first day of the week, it doesn't matter what day it is, right?

Peter: Yeah, no, that's fair.

Josh: So maybe do we just drop the weekend banter bit?

Tommy: No, we just say it's weekend banter. We just say it's weekend banter. We don't need to say when we record it.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: It's just pre-recorded.

Peter: Are we gonna edit this bit out or is this part of the show?

Josh: This is the whole part. Cool. But when the early days, but the thing is TJ is funny about it because in the early days of the podcast I used to mention the weather at the top of the show and also the day. And so that was very breakfast radio.

Peter: Yeah.

Tommy: And also like the traffic.

Peter: It was like a time somewhere on the other side of the world too for a while. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, that's it.

Josh: Yeah. It's got— but the reason I was doing that was because in that Boren Letters, there's like copywriting.

Tommy: He talks about like painting the picture and referring to a book of a guy who was in prison that wrote it.

Josh: Yes. A copywriter. Yeah.

Tommy: Real manipulator.

Peter: And that book has got you in a bit of trouble.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In more ways than one. But we've got a spread. We've decided to have a spread.

Gemma: Yes. I had no idea there would be cuisine.

Tommy: So I went to a party last weekend. Not sure if you guys had heard that I put on a spit.

Gemma: I had no idea.

Peter: Please tell me more.

Gemma: Yeah.

Peter: Okay.

Tommy: How does that work? 20 kilos.

Peter: No.

Tommy: Someone brought like 20. It was like a slab of kombucha and I don't drink kombucha. And so I was, I just went straight for it. I smashed about 7 and I felt sick.

Josh: It's good for your gut though.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what people say.

Josh: Is 7 good for your gut? I don't know.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know if 7 is good for your gut.

Josh: It would actually be a funny thing to try, like one week good for your gut and I just eat the things, just yogurt, kombucha.

Tommy: Is yoghurt good for your gut? Yeah, yeah, there's, but it's got to be like proper yogurt. But there's chocolate chip.

Josh: There's probiotic yogurt.

Tommy: Probiotics in yoghurt and in this stuff. But the point I don't think is that you combine them all and you've got a healthy gut. It's, it's some of them, like you choose what you're going to have. Like, I think you'll probably shit yourself if you have too much probiotics.

Josh: I think we're having too much Coke no sugar at the moment at the office.

Tommy: Well, it was, guys, it was—

Gemma: You paused between Coke no sugar and I'm like, what happened to you?

Peter: Yeah, it was an awkward pause.

Tommy: It's what suburb your office is in, whether it's Coke or Coke No Sugar. But it was a dream of Josh's for some reason. He dreams big in the office here. It was, I want, you know, a fridge full of Coke No Sugars. And so over the last weekend, I regret it already though.

Josh: It's just, it's pretty gross. I came home last night and because you're taking off the tiara.

Gemma: Yeah, I think it's implied.

Josh: You can leave it close by to the—

Gemma: Of course.

Josh: TJ might tell you off because it doesn't look good for the shot, but is it fine?

Tommy: It looks amazing. Great placement, Gemma.

Gemma: Thank you.

Josh: Um, but no, I did regret it. I just, I just felt gross. Like, then that night after having like 3 Coke No Sugars and coffee, oh, it's going to into like, uh, bad diet territory.

Tommy: You guys, what do you mean it's going to bad diet?

Josh: That is horrendous. No, but I don't know, I don't see them. I see Coke No Sugar a bit differently than, I don't know. I think we should get, to TJ's point, he was saying earlier we should get LaCroix, which is like a fizzy water.

Peter: Love LaCroix.

Tommy: It's expensive. It's American fizzy water with hints of lime or hints of lemon.

Gemma: Very fancy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Even Post Malone raps about it.

Peter: It's one of those things I like. I went to America a couple of times last year and everyone was raving about LaCroix.

Josh: Is that you with the grain waves? Can you hear that? It's too much. Okay, I'll stop that.

Peter: Sounds delicious.

Gemma: It's like an ASMR video.

Josh: This one, it's a very good one. I've only learnt about this. We need to talk about that in a sec. But anyway, you're in America.

Peter: I was in America. Everyone's drinking LaCroix and talking about LaCroix. And I was like, have you guys not heard of sparkling water before this? Is this like a new thing? And it's just that someone's rebranded it really, really well.

Gemma: Yeah.

Peter: And it's now like huge in America.

Josh: But it can't just be the rebrand because there's nowhere else that I feel like you can get, like in Australia, I tried, I think Schweppes have a version and it just makes my tongue feel funny.

Tommy: It's expensive too. Really expensive.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: It's shit.

Josh: But the LaCroix one is actually very good. Like you can have a lot. Like there's one that tastes like almost like it smells like sunscreen. It's like the coconutty one. I think you had some of those, weren't you?

Tommy: But then we found another supermarket, Whole Foods. They end up selling, they've got their own brand.

Josh: That's right. 365. Yeah.

Tommy: That was good. So the ASMR stuff, you've never heard of. I mean, you hadn't heard. What did you learn? What word did Jules Lund teach you? Shelving.

Josh: Yeah, that was years ago. Yeah. A lot of— when we're thinking about bringing back word of the day.

Tommy: Yes. Tomorrow's episode of Weekend Bounty, we've got my wife on and Josh's girlfriend, Bree. But there's a lot of words that I've taught Amy.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: Having been in Christian college and Having met me, there's a lot of words.

Josh: You asked me yesterday to record my night's sleep with the audio, you know, the function. You know about this one?

Tommy: No. Which we're going to get to in episode with Amy.

Josh: Well, I just wanted to let you know that mine fucked up.

Tommy: Okay. Well, you fucked it.

Josh: So basically this app—

Peter: Should we leave, Gemma?

Josh: Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is happening. No, this audio, it's an app that records you while you sleep and it plays back the times that it hears noises.

Peter: I've heard about this.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, but which we're not going into because that's tomorrow's content that he's bringing up on today's fucking show.

Gemma: So embarrassing.

Tommy: Seriously, it's very embarrassing.

Josh: I mean, I appreciate— that's one thing I appreciate with Weekend Banter is that TJ's creating segments and things like that.

Peter: I mean, I love that 15 minutes in we've already got things that we're appreciative for on Weekend Banter.

Tommy: No, I like it. How about this? It's the end of the week. We want to, we want to just sort of acknowledge It's a Gronk admission. Okay, we're not perfect humans, and that's what our tribe is about. The Dronks— Gronk—

Josh: the Dronk. Go on.

Tommy: It's because I'm trying to put, um, Grainwave to the side of my mouth while talking. Bad idea. The Gronk Squad. Yes, we're all admittedly Gronks. And so what I want you, Pete, to start, just because you're to the left of me—

Josh: no pressure—

Tommy: and you're big and, um, confronting You'd beat me up otherwise. No, you're a gentle giant. That's what you are.

Josh: Yeah, he was.

Tommy: I love your voice. I love your voice.

Josh: You're running away from all those scary people on the street. You and I had a fast pace to us.

Peter: We did.

Josh: And then Tommy engaged. But Tommy engaged, which was why we had issues. There was a guy who was like, he was just in a daze, clearly off his face. And so we just walked past him and Tommy decided to say, oh, how's your day going, mate?

Tommy: I said, you right, mate?

Josh: You right, mate?

Tommy: He looks like he's about to fall over.

Josh: And so, what, were you actually intending to do something?

Tommy: You're right, mate. Like, he was on the nod a bit, had heroin, and he was kind of—

Josh: So he's probably not all right. If you're on heroin, you're probably not all right.

Tommy: He's actually in the best possible shape. He thinks he needs to be in that moment.

Josh: So you were expecting him to say, going really well?

Tommy: No, sometimes it just like— some— if he fell back, he could have fallen into a car. So it's just like, you're right. And they kind of like, oh, I'll go sit down now.

Josh: No, but instead he chased us down the street.

Gemma: Oh my God.

Tommy: And so I said, if they get close, front kick, front kick, just keep them at distance.

Josh: Just work that foot out. And so why you were grumpy? This was just before. Yeah, this just happened.

Peter: Jeez.

Josh: The amount of shit that I want to—

Tommy: Anyway, we'll get to that. Anyway, it's okay. But Pete Shepherd, your gronk admission of the week.

Peter: From this week?

Tommy: Yeah, from this week.

Peter: Okay. I have one actually.

Tommy: Okay.

Peter: So it's cold at the moment, right? And in the bathroom in my house, we have a heated towel rack.

Tommy: Fancy.

Josh: That's really nice.

Gemma: It's amazing.

Peter: It's not my house, let's be clear about that.

Tommy: Built into the actual infrastructure, or is it you turn a switch on?

Peter: You've bought it.

Josh: Well, the butler turns the switch on.

Peter: Cadbury, my butler.

Josh: Cadbury? Cadbury! Please switch on the— That's a good name.

Peter: It's a great name for a butler. I've had that thought for a long time. If and when I get a butler, his name would be Cadbury.

Josh: Is that from British?

Gemma: You get to name the butler? The butler will have a name?

Peter: It'll be on the job ad.

Tommy: Name must be Cadbury.

Peter: I think it's Richie Rich.

Josh: You're getting confused with pets. Anyway, so, so you—

Tommy: Cabri's turned on the—

Peter: So, towel rack is on.

Tommy: Yeah.

Peter: Unbeknownst to me, the night before I'd forgotten to put my towel on the towel rack, but my girlfriend's towel, Chelsea's, was on the towel rack. So, the next morning, what do I do? I took, I took the dry towel off the towel rack, being Chelsea's towel.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: Meaning when she went and had a shower after me, she was going to get my wet towel from the night before. And that feels like a bit of a gronk move.

Tommy: I've done it. I'm a— yeah, I'm an absolute perpetrator of that crime.

Peter: And then like when she asked me about it, confronted me about it, I was like, oh, I've got confused. You know, I thought we swapped towels.

Josh: You're gonna have to speak to Cadbury about it. Take it up with Cadbury, Chelsea. There's one big thing that I think that makes it okay for— in my scenario anyway, Bree has two towels.

Tommy: One for her hair?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. And so my thing is it's like— But so, my thing is it's like I'm just going to use one of— Like she's already in a really lucky position with two tao.

Peter: She's monopolised the situation.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. And if I'm in a situation where my tao isn't doing too well.

Tommy: Yeah.

Gemma: This is such a boy thing.

Tommy: But I wouldn't even use—

Gemma: I'm like, how does that happen?

Josh: Well, it's just like, you know, you leave it too long or whatever. Which the funny thing is Bri pointed out, it was actually this week Bri pointed out the fact that the reason why 'Cause I'm like, man, it's crazy how my towel always ends up like smelling before your one. Right. Yours always smells fresh, but I feel like mine doesn't smell that good. And she goes, it's 'cause you leave it on the fucking floor.

Gemma: So, I just don't understand how this happens.

Josh: Which bit?

Gemma: Towels on the floor.

Josh: Oh, towels on the floor. Well, it's, you're in a rush or whatever. And, but I actually like lean it and then sometimes it ends up anyway.

Tommy: You've just moved in with your girlfriend.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: She just moved in.

Gemma: Yeah.

Tommy: How's that been? I mean, does it feel like the nest was yours because, you know, you'd been there for a few years and then she's come in, or has she come in and just gone, "Fuckin'—" Be very careful with your answer. I think it'd be more if it's a big step. And I think if someone was to move into your place, it is your place, but now it's our place. Yeah. But you still have found your groove in that joint.

Peter: Yeah, actually, we fell into a groove really well and I'm loving the idea, the reality of not having to pack a bag and go to her place like twice a week and her vice versa. Yeah, but Cadbury packed it, but it gives Cadbury more time to dry the things. Like turn the dryer on.

Josh: I mean, how does Cadbury feel about Chels moving in? Well, it's been all good for Cadbury.

Tommy: Yeah. Anything you can share, anything vulnerable? Like I think when Amy and I first So I, because we did long distance, we only spent time. We spent like, it's an interesting way to start a relationship long distance because I would go up on a Friday and I'd stay with her for every minute of that time until Sunday night, which is a long time. It's intense.

Josh: It'd sort of be weird if you went up there and then just hung out, just like, hey, I'm actually going to hang out with the mates at the pub. Yeah.

Tommy: Be a little bit bizarre. But so I found that. That we sort of got thrusted into it. So, living together wasn't that bad, but there's still— There was friction, not— But it's all like in a safe space. So, it doesn't feel like you're like, "Oh, this fucking idiot." Yeah.

Josh: Like, well, the towel thing would never happen because it's like a weekend thing. It's things like that.

Peter: It's things like that. And, you know, one morning I might want to sleep in, but old mate has her alarm on. And so, looks like I'm not sleeping in. So, it's just things like that. So, you don't—

Gemma: Trying dating a carpenter.

Tommy: I'm 5.

Peter: Yeah. 5. Yeah. Well, I'm— see, this morning I was like, 5:45, I'm going to treat myself. And she's like, 5 o'clock, we're getting up at 5 o'clock.

Josh: I was like, oh my God. But do you have to get up at the same time? I've got a great ability.

Peter: Once the alarm goes, I'm up.

Josh: Oh, I'm up. No, there's nothing I enjoy more than the alarm going off and knowing it's not for me. Oh, really? And I can just like go back to sleep. I literally woke up this morning to Bree coming home from the gym and she came in and she had a coffee for me and I sat in bed and I drunk the coffee. Baby had a coffee.

Tommy: Oh, this is one then. Uh, what side of the bed have you had to switch?

Peter: No, I'm still on the same side that I was always on.

Tommy: Same side in your house?

Peter: Yes. Although I, when Chels wasn't around, I would sleep in the middle, obviously, because I'm quite tall, or diagonally.

Tommy: Yeah, I think everyone has that side, right, where they would move off to.

Peter: Yeah, no, I'm still on the same side. Okay, so that's been good.

Tommy: It wasn't contentious that Point.

Peter: No, that was fine. Okay, great.

Josh: If Bree doesn't want to be the big spoon, sometimes that we have to switch sides because my back's sore. Of course. You know what I'm like. It's like if you go on the other side, if you're really keen to not be the big spoon tonight, you're going to have to sit on the other side, which annoys her because it's closer to my phone where I've got Audible playing like an audiobook.

Peter: I can't get my head around that. How do you do that with noise while you're trying to sleep?

Josh: I need it. And so that's, that's why that app— we'll keep it for tomorrow's show. Yeah, something happened and there's an app and he's got a great bit for tomorrow. Um, Gronkh move.

Tommy: Yeah, Queen Gronkh. What did you, what did you call it?

Josh: It's a not a Gronkh version of a Gronkh.

Tommy: No, it was a Gronkh admission. Yeah, which I stuffed it. I wanted to bring this segment forward, um, Confessions of a Gronkh. So that's the—

Josh: if you're gonna have to come through with the name, Confessions of a Gronkh. Because that's the first time it reminds me of that Lindsay Lohan film.

Gemma: Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, which I really connected with on this podcast.

Tommy: Channel 9.

Josh: Lindsay's back as well. Lindsay. She's doing really well.

Gemma: No, she's not. Lindsay Lohan Beach Club Mykonos is not doing well, and I think the show got cancelled before its second season. She lives in Dubai. No, she doesn't. She lives in Mykonos. Oh, really? The name of the club is Lindsay Lohan Beach Club Mykonos. They really pulled a muscle coming up with that.

Tommy: I did see that she was living for a while, and there was some wacky storey about how she swings. Oh, what the— That's my favourite story. I had dinner next to Lindsay Lohan, by the way. Where? I was at Chateau Marmont in LA, and you know, my friend and I and Fitzie, there was 3 of us there, went dinner. Was Capri there? Capri, he was waiting. Oh man, it's such a— it's an interesting place anyway. It's this big old mansion on Hollywood Boulevard or something like that, but there's the A-listers there and D-listers like Lindsay. And so we were sitting there, we're going to talk about you.

Peter: What about where the fuck do you fit?

Tommy: I'm at the bottom.

Josh: No, but there's seriously, there's something very bogan about like going to very fancy places in other countries.

Gemma: Well, it was in Entourage a lot. Yeah. That's, yeah.

Tommy: Dude, you can't go there unless you have a contact most of the time. You probably, maybe you can, but— So, I would be fine. My friend's auntie manages it. So, we fucking got a sick spot.

Josh: Like the barista in Shepparton.

Tommy: This one actually pays. We're staying at her place. So, She was away and she set up dinner and shit. Anyway, confessions of a gronk.

Gemma: What have I done specifically in the last week? Oh, I got a bit upset on Instagram this morning because I ruined a shoe last night. I've got— I was wearing— I feel like when I'm out, I'm quite poised and together, and I had— I looked really nice last night, and I got my fucking heel stuck in between the floorboard. The boys don't have to deal with this in We're on like a decking and my heel got stuck in the floorboard. So I was stuck. Were you aggressive about it? No, I was very like, this is so fine. And then I had to get out of the shoe and there was a group of us trying to pull my shoe out and then we've snapped the bottom of the heel off.

Tommy: Is there footage of this?

Gemma: Is there a photo of this? There's definitely a photo. Yeah. So my shoe's cooked.

Josh: So which is the gronk bit to you?

Gemma: Well, I just think the whole situation, I think you have to be in a certain State of mind.

Tommy: I guess if we just dissect it, it happens to a Gronkh. So where yours was a Gronkh move that affected someone else. So there's two very Gronkh situations happening here.

Peter: Good distinction. I like that.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. It's important. I don't have any actually for the—

Gemma: Oh, come on. Bullshit.

Tommy: You just called brainwaves a vegetable. Mr. 97 piped up very fast and he reckons he's got one.

Josh: Wait, for me? Yeah, for you.

Tommy: Do you know what's still in the corner of the kitchen where our dishcloths are? No, no, no.

Josh: What? The ones you clean the toilet with? I mean, that's not from this week. Still there. Okay, I thought you were talking about the tuna can. There's also a tuna can. What about the chilli in the sink? Chili in the sink? That will go down.

Gemma: Still there. How was it ever a thing?

Josh: See, that's the thing. That's what I find interesting. It's not even me being a gronk. That's collective at this point. No. Anyway, it's all like no one's using them anyway. Yeah. But anyway, that's probably—

Tommy: Oh, that's fine.

Josh: Yeah, it's not a deal.

Tommy: I went to the gym this week and I decided to be, and I never have been this guy, the guy that wears thongs in the shower. And a lot of people choose to wear thongs in the shower.

Gemma: I think it's important to do that.

Tommy: Yeah, would you?

Josh: Do you? For like tinea? Tinea unguium?

Tommy: Athlete's foot. Yeah. Is that a myth? So this is what I do. I've had athlete's foot. I've just had foot because I'm not an athlete, but I've like, I've done club sport, showering, you know, those venues, kickboxing, getting sweaty, showering there. Gyms, worked in gyms. Never, never, never wear worn thongs. I got athlete's foot maybe 2 years ago, 2, 3 years ago. And it was annoying. And it was just like the— they just look like blisters on the bottom of my foot, and it looked like a fucking bit of a rash. But I don't know where I got it from. I don't know if it was from a shower, but I thought if over the years, say if I've been going to the gym since I was 15, I'm 30, 15 years, having it once is a low probability of me getting athlete's foot. And so that's why I was always like, I don't give a shit about thongs. I won't wear them in the shower. I see all these other people walking around with thongs And I was like, all right, I'll just try thongs. And so the other night—

Josh: But why? What was the catalyst?

Tommy: I don't know. I was like, I'm getting old.

Gemma: Spice up your life. I'm going to do something different tonight.

Tommy: I will tell you. I will tell you. Yeah, there's something. I train at night and I usually go like this. So I have my bag. What did you just do? Just this, my clothes that I'm wearing right now, like hoodie and jeans and runners. But then I get into my exercise gear. Go train. I don't want to get back into this shit because I don't have to then put new socks on. Annoying. And so I put trackies on and I was like, maybe this will— this means I don't have to do my shoe. I don't have to put socks and then shoes back on, which is annoying after you've been wet and it's all, you know, cold and shit. And so I just was like, fuck it, I'll just wear thongs. And so I wore them into the shower. I felt weird about it because I was— it felt like I had shoes on.

Josh: Well, you sort of—

Tommy: you did. Yeah, I did. You know, footless shit.

Gemma: There's a reason that that's what it felt like.

Tommy: But it felt weird.

Josh: It felt weird. But I was like, ah, Should I continue this? And then you were going home afterwards? Yeah, I just went home. That's what I just don't understand with this, the gym thing with showers. I thought the point of a shower was to use it if you were going somewhere else. Yeah, if you're going home, why wouldn't you just use the shower at home, mate?

Tommy: You don't have a kid.

Gemma: There's a chance. I've also never been to a gym.

Josh: What about when you went to Thailand?

Peter: You went to the gym in Thailand, got in the puli puli.

Tommy: You guys really, really relating to you. Um, would you like another chip? You don't want to— I didn't want to have to go home and do it. Like, if I can do it all at the gym, I literally get home and I feel really good walking out of the gym. You go to the gym, Pete? Yeah. Do you shower at the gym?

Peter: I shower at home. However, when I used to train in the morning, I would shower at the gym versus going home and showering. Yeah, mainly from an efficiency point of view. I like the efficiency of like, I'm leaving the gym and I'm like ready to attack the day. I don't have to go at somewhere else and shower.

Tommy: Yeah, I just don't want to do it at home because it's noisy and wakes up Bodie. And it's much easier at the gym.

Peter: I think you've established already, like the towel rack for me is a big pull. So I will go home after the gym to use the towel rack.

Gemma: Because otherwise Cadbury would be like, where is he?

Josh: He'll be worried about me.

Tommy: I prep the towel. Mr. 97 is a 2 shower a day guy.

Josh: I have 2 showers a day.

Tommy: What do you do? Not always. Oh really? It's not a strict for me.

Gemma: Well, you have to obviously prep the skin for your fake tan and then rinse it off. It's 2 showers. Are you a 2-shower gal, Gemma? Oh, it depends.

Tommy: Yesterday, yes, because I put some tan on. But what's normal is—

Josh: Well, you were late, to be honest. You're not getting the reaction that you hoped for.

Tommy: No, I thought Mr. 97 was just a, you know, spoiled little brat using his mummy and daddy's hot water.

Gemma: I mean, that maybe is part of it.

Josh: Definitely. I know a thing about hot water. No, I don't. Within apartment Yeah, we don't have apartment blocks.

Tommy: You don't pay water. I think we do. I think so.

Josh: Surely we pay for water.

Tommy: No, not a chance. Unless it's—

Josh: Bring it up on tomorrow's show, people.

Tommy: Every one of them has to be metered. So, every one of the apartments needs to be metered. Most of them, I can safely say, most of the old apartment blocks, you don't pay water based on it being— They weren't able to split the water and work out what each place is getting.

Peter: Power's different though. I would have thought— I'm a 2 a day. You are? To answer your question, yeah. I wonder if it's like a— maybe it's a family thing with kids and it's too hard. I've forgotten.

Tommy: That's a gronk move.

Josh: But you've also— you forget to put deodorant on as well.

Tommy: I've forgotten. Wow. Forgotten. But think about a child. Think about what a fucking child does, dude. Think about you as a baby and then times 2 that. Yeah. So times you're thinking about yourself, times that for someone else. And then a partner.

Josh: I could understand more. I guess, no, that's me. I was thinking I could understand more forgetting to bathe him, but maybe that's just because I'm a selfish fucker.

Tommy: Yeah, that's exactly what went through my head as well. You know what I have forgotten?

Gemma: I'd forget I had a child.

Josh: Yeah. Where'd you come from?

Tommy: Brushing teeth, like, and I got really annoyed at myself because I was like—

Josh: You forgot to brush your teeth?

Tommy: No, Bodhi's. Okay. It's like, but I was like, you've got to start routines. Like they thrive off a routine.

Gemma: When do they get teeth?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Hey, have you seen Bodhi? Have you seen his teeth?

Josh: Yeah, he does have little chompers.

Tommy: He's got a full set, dude. It's pretty young, right?

Josh: I've been holding this chip because I know it's very crunchy. Is it coarse rice? Let's go.

Peter: Should we all go quiet?

Josh: Yeah. Oh, I love him so much.

Gemma: I know that he's got teeth, but when did he— when does one get teeth?

Tommy: It's a full nude spread with a little boat over his penis. It's so funny. It's his new favourite thing to do in the shower. Just lie back with his head in the water. But yeah, you get— you get— kids get teeth around 6 months, 8 months, a year. Some kids are speaking by a year, have a full set of teeth by a year.

Josh: Any of you guys sit in the shower?

Gemma: Mm, yeah, yeah, I don't.

Peter: It's happened to me another day. Do legs.

Gemma: Oh yeah, I guess so. Exfoliate ankles. But is that to only—

Tommy: it's only to do the thing, like waxing, shaving legs?

Gemma: Also if I'm hungover, obviously.

Josh: You really sit in there? And you'll do it too?

Peter: Very rarely. It means I'm either like brutally hungover or feel sick, and it happened to me last week. I felt sick to the point where I had to sit in the shower.

Tommy: Yeah, Cabri the doll put a seat in the shower for him.

Josh: No, the seat's too much. He's not talking like a plastic seat.

Peter: No, no, I just sit on the floor.

Tommy: Yeah, I feel like we think about— I mean, it's our shower. I would never put my bum close to the floor of the Fitness First shower. Oh no, absolutely not. What I'm saying is we see our own floor in a shower clean as a whistle.

Josh: Yeah, we don't sort of issue it like this. I reckon it probably would be cleaner, potentially.

Tommy: No, 100% cleaner. But I'm just saying that it's— if you had a bad foot and you're in your own shower, yeah, it's probably just as dirty as the other showers, you know.

Josh: That makes sense. I was, I was asking the boys, 3D Dylan, Mr. 97, for potential icebreakers, questions that they could ask that could spark some social conversation. Cool. Um, Mr. 97, we'll start, we'll start with you because you were the lesser, uh, keen of the two of you in regards to effectiveness.

Gemma: Date chat.

Josh: Yeah, a little bit. Uh, what's, what's a, what question have, do you have for us as a bit of an icebreaker?

Tommy: Well, we had it, we had a semi-good one before the show, which was yours. Semi before the show?

Josh: I'm so sorry. I'm gonna go. Joke on Weekend Banter.

Gemma: I feel like every time I'm on here it's just dick chat.

Josh: A lot of dick chat.

Tommy: No, you, uh, you had Guy Sebastian playing on your Spotify, so I'm wondering what the most recent song, uh, you guys have been playing on Spotify. Oh, that's it. Just imagine Mr. 97 on a date asking that question.

Josh: Show us your Spotify. It's not bad though, is it? It's bad, dude. You know what's Don't fucking listen to Josh. Do you know what's a really good one? Like saying if it's later on in the, like if it's the second or third date, I think a really good one is it's a bit of like a truth or dare type of deal, but being like, oh my God, swap phones and you get to look in the deleted photo, like whatever the deleted photo section is. Never. That is hectic.

Tommy: Yeah. Not a chance.

Gemma: Sooner remove a limb.

Tommy: I would let you now do that, but not when I was a single bloke. I don't think, even if there was nothing incriminating, it's like not even dick shots, it's like could be just, I don't know, there just could be something in there someone sent you and you're like, I don't want that.

Josh: I don't know. It's been very rare that I delete a photo. You've had one girlfriend.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh, Shrewdy. Sorry, Shrewdy.

Josh: I was wondering if she was going to come up.

Tommy: Can we get a Trudy shrine?

Josh: Trudy would— it would be great to have her on at some point. It would be amazing. It would be good to do some form of reunion.

Gemma: If you do that, I'm sending an email saying, can I come in and watch the show?

Josh: Actually, as long as we can have—

Tommy: nah, not with Jessie. Nah, she lives in Singapore. Not a chance. And how convenient. Sorry, not just for— I don't even know where she lives in Singapore, but just not a chance. I don't think it— If we did a live show from Singapore, it'd be like, it would be like me having my primary school girlfriend on the show. I'd have to go with that. I'm sure I could—

Josh: Oh, as in, okay, that's the equivalent.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Shroody. So you're just, you're downplaying what Shroody and I had.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I had a serious relationship. Yeah, sure.

Peter: Should we answer 97's question? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: So TJ will have some boss-like answer. Vossy bop.

Tommy: What's last played in my Spotify? It's one of Bodie's favourite songs. More vossy bop, more vossy bop. Stormzy, a UK rapper.

Josh: And that's what you're playing before for Pete. Yeah. And what's the— it's the new dab. It's called a vossy.

Tommy: One of the lines in it is, um, my boys don't dab, they just vossy bop. But it sounds like he's saying my boys don't die, we just vossy bop, because he's such a good singer. But what is the vossy bop? I don't know. It's like this thing where you lean over. Yeah, do it. And it's hard.

Josh: Can we get that as an animated GIF?

Tommy: It's not like a dab. Like, dab is easy. This one you have to like fall forward.

Gemma: The dab's not fun either.

Tommy: It's like fucking—

Josh: Dabs are so fun.

Tommy: Look, yeah, it looks like you're doing the Macarena if you do it up straight. Anyway, anyway, so that was the last one.

Josh: What about you, Pete?

Peter: I think probably Avicii's new album. I watched the documentary on Avicii on Netflix, and then I heard there was a new album, so I've been checking that out.

Tommy: It's pretty good. 3D Dudes.

Peter: Really good.

Josh: He's been pumping it. And so it's good. Yeah. Did they do it after the fact because he's passed away? Someone would have had access to his— So I think you've been working on. Yeah. Do you wonder? I wonder, like, if I was to die, I wonder how many files and shit. Yeah, no, but how many files and shit people will actually, like, how much time would everyone spend, like, going through my hard drives? You've got to be pretty important.

Tommy: I reckon they'd just put them to the side and just, I mean, don't you think that you would do a little highlights package for the show?

Josh: Yeah, I'd do a final send-off.

Tommy: Yeah. And when I say I, Mr. Ninety Six. Do you know the gossip about Taylor Swift and Scooter Braun? Have you seen this?

Gemma: I've seen it. Chris is a bit of a Taylor Swift— Oh, you know what? This is going to annoy him but I'll tell you anyway. Before we started going out he went to a Taylor Swift concert with one of his like mates who's male friends.

Josh: That's great! I love Taylor. Wow! Really?

Gemma: Yeah, I even— Oh, I can't stand her.

Tommy: Really? You should see me.

Gemma: I just don't understand the appeal.

Tommy: Mr 97 singing his heart out the other day, just headphones on and all you hear it's like this... We are never ever ever together. There's no bass to this song.

Peter: It's just...

Josh: It's almost ASMR, whatever it's called, isn't it? It's real lippy, real lippy. He really likes it.

Tommy: Can we confirm that that's like you're into Taylor Swift? Quite big, quite full-on? I wouldn't say big, but I'd listen to her stuff. Yeah, yeah, you love it? Yeah, sure.

Josh: Her newer stuff or older stuff?

Tommy: What do you like? Nah, it's probably older stuff.

Gemma: Yeah, yeah, that's Chris Diamond. Yeah, she's not country anymore, is she? The reason I don't care—

Tommy: the reason I bring up Taylor Swift So all her music has been purchased by Scooter Braun. Scooter Braun is the person who discovered or started managing Justin Bieber, Demi Lovato, shitloads of artists. And so Ariana Grande. No, no, no. So the record label that had signed Taylor had all the rights to her music. Scooter bought the record label. He now becomes the owner of every one of Taylor Swift's songs. The rights. Yeah.

Gemma: But they had a falling out. She says that he's been bullying her for like a good decade. So it's your bully.

Josh: It's like your bully bought the company that you work for.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. And she's saying, give me all my music back, whatever it is. But then you go, these things are so hard because you read what his wife has said. You read what Bieber say that are close to him. Yeah. It all sounds like he's not the problem. He just bought and Her dad knew about what's happening.

Gemma: Her dad's a shareholder in the company, so he would have had to vote. So he knew. Yeah, yeah. Because part of her storey was she only found out like when the press found out.

Josh: Where do you guys find out about this?

Tommy: Taylor Swift's Insta. So the big thing happened, she put out an Insta story. She had a swipe up link. I don't even think I found it through that. I think I—

Josh: oh yes, I did. It's amazing how much your mind is warped though. By what you follow on social media. Because I assumed, because we follow Sam, I think Sam Mack was one of the only people that we follow on Instagram that was nominated for like for a Gold Logie. And so based on what he was putting out online, I was like, oh well, he's got to win. But it's crazy to think that like there's other people doing other shit. I guess that's the point to the shameless stuff. It can be a bit, uh, I don't really follow celebrities other than like What the girls talk about.

Tommy: So you're in the Shameless bubble too. I mean, I see you in that group like nonstop. I'm just like, I'm not in there nonstop.

Gemma: It's just that you would get a notification if I am posting. Would you post every day? Oh God, no, no, no. I just took control of the Logies red carpet thread because of course I did.

Tommy: I think we've got a— Gem, you're very savvy when it comes to social media. You far outweigh us in terms of follower base and your tribe you've built. Your Gronk Squad is thick. Well, do you have a name for your—

Gemma: for your— no, I don't, but perhaps—

Peter: should we brainstorm?

Gemma: Yeah, perhaps that's the next step. What words do you like? Oh, I don't know. I mean, you're the copywriter.

Tommy: It's not why I was going— where I was going with it anyway. The Glowers. The Glowers. So upsetting. Glow Squad.

Josh: Glow before bro.

Gemma: That's nice.

Josh: Let's give it 2 more minutes of thinking.

Tommy: No, we've just made this homework, a homework task. But so you're someone who I think is spending quite a bit of time on social media.

Gemma: Would that be fair to say? Yes.

Tommy: Like I noticed when I cheque the stories, you've usually viewed them. So we're hot on your—

Gemma: You guys come up first. Fuck yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, that's good. Well done, guys. Queen Gronkh over there.

Josh: What sets that up, do you think?

Gemma: It's based on how often I stalk all of you. Oh, that's great. Yeah.

Josh: So if you happen to—

Gemma: I've actually got a crush on all of you, as it turns out. If Mr97thereis—

Tommy: why does this girl in a bikini keep showing up in my top? Yeah, because you keep looking at it. That's what happens, dude.

Josh: But actually, we should look at everyone's Explore Instagram because I feel like that will—

Peter: is this instead of the deleted photo situation?

Tommy: Yeah, but we're not trying to out each other. No, it's not about—

Gemma: you're very—

Tommy: no, but this is so that the, the, the whole reason is to find something that isn't great, right? Because then there's— why are you so defensive? I'm fine. I'm I'm squeaky clean over here, guys.

Josh: I'm curious as to what your explore function actually looks like.

Tommy: I'm squeaky clean.

Josh: So, um, guys doing fires, building fires, and yeah, yeah, just gorillas going up fucking manly trees.

Gemma: Just, just testosterone things. Yeah.

Tommy: So, Gem, you're, uh, you're, you're on there, um, it's a part of your business. Pete, I was listening to your podcast last night. The long and the short of it, fucking bit pissed Josh Jansen got a message— mention. I did. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Gemma: But how I feel every time I listen to this show when I'm not mentioned, which is not often. You know what?

Tommy: Great podcast to listen to in time and a half speed, double speed. Which one? Because you guys speak very slowly and articulately. And Pete's podcast. Yeah. And Pete and Jenna.

Josh: Gem? Gem. Jen.

Tommy: Jen, not Jenna. No.

Peter: Pete and Jen. I don't know why I said Jenna.

Tommy: Anyway. Yeah, but I was listening to it double speed. But is this a review?

Josh: You've been doing it. Can we get this as a cut for a testimonial? Yeah.

Tommy: You've been doing it.

Peter: Just give it a review, guys.

Tommy: You've been doing a— you could have mentioned that I mentioned something about your voice. That would have been nice. Sorry. Yeah, that's fair. Next time.

Peter: We've got more episodes coming. Okay, great. Plenty of opportunities.

Tommy: Sneak it in there, please. You did an experiment over the last month or so. Yeah. Talk about it.

Peter: So we did an experiment on Instagram to essentially test a hypothesis, which was, can you create more two-way interactions with your listeners on Instagram? Because the thing with the podcast, and you guys would know this, is very often it's like you hear or you see the number of listeners, but you don't know who they are. You don't see them, you can't interact with them really other than one way. And so we tested an experiment on Instagram to see what it would be like to create more two-way conversation, essentially. And the short of it is I hated the experiment. It took up so much of my time, and I started getting anxious about what to post, when to post, the fact that people have replied and I haven't replied back to them, and all of these things. And it gave me such a mad respect for people like you, Gemma, and Noni Serves, and you guys that do the Daily Talk Show Instagram. In realising it's just, it's not for me and it's not a good use of my time. So we actually— it was Cabri.

Tommy: Let's get a sign business.

Peter: Yeah, found a new job for Cabri.

Gemma: Clearly who it was.

Josh: No, the, um, yeah, the amount of time that you spend— because we were talking about the fact that you could just delete the app, spend Friday, post it, you know, post once a week or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Peter: So not to give away the episode, but you're right.

Josh: Good tease. Thanks.

Peter: I could if I was more disciplined, post and then turn the app off or delete the app. But I think it was recognising in myself I have that personality of like, oh, I wonder if someone's given us a comment, and then I can comment back and have a conversation with them because, because that was the point of it.

Josh: So, well, the unread thing, like seeing someone has written to us, the biggest frustration is now it seems like Instagram's hiding. You used to be able to go into your DMs and you'd be able to see the last message they sent and it was bold. But now if they've sent multiple messages, it will say 3 unread messages. And so you don't get the gist because I sort of want to be understanding where it's going before I click it.

Tommy: You think it's manipulative? You think that's on purpose?

Josh: Yeah, I reckon that's Instagram.

Peter: Yeah, so this is the other thing is what we're talking about is like these apps are designed that way. It's like I fell into the trap of what it's designed for, which is to get you constantly hooked and constantly looking for more dopamine hits. And as a result, I became anxious about it. And so So the recognition was I need to step away, which is what I'm going to do.

Tommy: So there's a few ways of looking at it. And that's what you explore a bunch of the sort of thinkings around the results. For you, Gemma, it worked, right? And it does work. Yeah.

Gemma: And so I don't have, I'm not like that. I'm very like not having my phone on me is bliss.

Tommy: Like I'm very happy.

Josh: Yours is on the couch right now, isn't it?

Gemma: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care enough. I think that's what it is. But Michelle and Zara were asking about this because I don't really post anything that's like not work related on there because, yeah, it's just, it's all work because I just, I don't want to be on it all the time.

Tommy: But I think you're still, aren't you still like, you're very responsive. Like I'd say you're up there with the best of them. The best of them, up there with the best of them.

Gemma: Yeah, but it's, it's just on my own terms. Like I'm never, if I'm out, I'm not on my phone. But there's also—

Peter: Do you carve out time to like specifically look at, or is it just whenever?

Gemma: It's just whenever, but it's normally like while I'm working because a lot of it is just writing captions and stuff. So I've got to be on it. But yeah, but people will ask questions about makeup and skincare all the time, and if I don't have the time to actually respond to them, I'll just write back saying like, I've seen this, I'm not just leaving you on read, I will write back to you during the week.

Tommy: So, Anna, what if it worked? Hey, like, what if it grew your listenership? It grew it. Like, that's what I always think. What if it worked? Do you think you're thinking around it, or you saw that Instagram, the feelings at a smallish level, is— was anxiety producing?

Peter: I think it was that. And also the realisation for us is the people that tend to listen to our podcast, a lot of them don't necessarily go on or interact with Instagram that much. We have an 80% of them that do, which were the ones that followed us. Which was the other thing, was the people that are following us are people that we already have existing relationships with where we can communicate with them in other ways. It doesn't have to be through this medium.

Josh: So, but it does work though. The thing is that like I was thinking about your podcast more. Interesting. And so that's— No, I was like—

Peter: You're saying I have to resurrect the experiment.

Tommy: I was liking the colour palette. I was thinking, I love how you swipe across and you see different sort of messages. I get that there's a lot of work in that.

Josh: I mean, you're deconstructing it from a very sort of meta platform. Like I'm getting off on aspect ratios and colour palettes.

Peter: I enjoyed that part of it actually. Like the creative part of like coming up with a theme and the look and making sure it's consistent. Like I quite like that.

Gemma: That's probably my favourite part also.

Tommy: But I always think if these things work for us, right? So if you put in that effort and it was 10x result. Yeah. Would your mindset be different? Do you think we would approach it differently? Do you think the people who get to 15 episodes would actually keep going doing a podcast or they'd continue? I think all these things online, it's like—

Josh: Well, if it was meant to be, if it was, if your audience was there, then it naturally, if all of the things that have been positive experiences and then it would have resulted in something that was better.

Peter: And it is one of those things that it's like, like a month is probably not that much of a time to actually give it time to see if it's got legs. And I'm sure if we committed more time to it, exactly like you guys have done, you've committed to it over a longer period of time, it would potentially grow. But for us, it was the reward of that. We can get that elsewhere. Our assertion is we can get that elsewhere, which what we're going to do is have an email list, which all of the things that we shared on Instagram, like what books we're listening to, what podcasts we're listening to, a quote from the episode, we're just going to throw that into an episode, into an email, which takes less time, it's less anxiety producing. And for us, we think it delivers the same amount of value to the listeners. So that was kind of the assertion we made, but maybe we're missing out.

Tommy: I don't know. Well, I think there's like, don't overthink it, but yeah, don't underthink it. You know, so we can look at both of those ways. I feel like you're a not— you don't overthink it, Gemma.

Gemma: Not in the slightest. I think if I thought more about it, maybe I'd have a better audience, but I just, I don't know, like I just don't care so much for numbers. I know that I'm working, I'm consistently getting work, so like whatever I'm doing is working.

Tommy: So as long as I just keep that up, then the bucket ain't broken, don't fix it. I don't think that that's the same.

Josh: What was the first bit? You've been spending too much time with buckets lately. Yeah, he's all about the buckets. Literally, because there was a bunch of buckets here the other day. It's really ingrained in your mind.

Tommy: What is it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yes. That's the one. I wasn't going to correct you.

Josh: You've got weekend banter. It's a rite of passage to pick up anyone's fuck-ups.

Tommy: We have another game that we like to play.

Gemma: I'm glad the Spotify game went well. Yeah.

Peter: I was the only one that answered.

Tommy: Oh no, Tommy, you answered. Mr. Nice Epic, you need to write—

Josh: Fuck, I've just lost my train of thought. That's okay because we're finishing the game anyway. Well, firstly, I'm an Apple Music gal, so—

Gemma: What? Like 3D Dill?

Josh: Yeah. Are you guys sharing a family account?

Peter: The only two people to use Apple Podcasts.

Josh: Apple Music. Sorry, Apple Music. I was on podcast.

Peter: I like it. I like it.

Josh: We should do a poll. Yeah. I mean, see who uses what.

Tommy: That's a good idea. I used it for the first year when I got Telstra because they were offering free for a year.

Josh: Yes. I was paying for Spotify and Apple Music at the same time because Apple Music was all you could play on my Apple Watch. But annoyingly, the only reason I did it was for running. And so the thing is, you can ask—

Tommy: Good Jack, good Jack, well done. Running? The, um, you can ask Siri to play any song. That's the good thing about it. I don't use it. Oh, she doesn't work through Spotify. I just ask her to play Guy Sebastian.

Josh: So wait, so you do have Apple Music?

Tommy: No, no, no. I— when you do have it, you can play it. So I went through this time where I kept on asking her for songs and she was giving them to me, and then all of a sudden I asked her you said, sorry, I don't understand that. Yeah, see, whatever it is. Yes, it is very annoying.

Josh: I was thinking it. It is very annoying.

Tommy: Very passive-aggressive. Takes one to know one.

Josh: Yeah, what's the song? What music was this morning?

Gemma: I would obscure— this morning I was listening to, um, ELO Greatest Hits. Hello, world. One of my favorite— what's ELO? Electric Light Orchestra. Oh, I love them. Very early 1980s, late 1970s.

Tommy: Wow, like a full orchestra.

Josh: No, no, no, no. What's the—

Peter: there's a specific— could you sing it for us?

Gemma: What's this?

Josh: They do one that's like about lights, don't they?

Tommy: Shine is the name of the song. How does it go? Can you just start it? No, I can't.

Gemma: What are the lyrics? I won't be doing that.

Josh: Shine. What is it? What are the words? I think I might have actually— for me it's been Elton John.

Peter: Elton John?

Tommy: It's because you saw the movie.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay, I'm touching my Spotify and the recent recently played, not by me, is Amy. Um, what's it— The Boy. What's the song? What's that main song?

Josh: Um, there's all of them. My Song, Candle in the Wind. It's your song.

Gemma: I want that as my wedding song.

Josh: It's not my song, it's your song.

Tommy: I don't know. Yeah, but she's done the same. It's great for that. That's what these movies are doing.

Gemma: I hope no one wanted any purple snakes.

Josh: They're not all the snakes though, are they? Were they all the ones from the bag? There's a few more. Thank you. It's nice 3D Door, what was your question? Your icebreaking question? Well, it was more fitting for when we were actually on that train of thought in the conversation like 20 minutes ago.

Peter: Because we haven't run that fast.

Josh: But everyone was talking about dating. So since everyone at the table right now is in a relationship. Here we go. What's the most—

Peter: this is something I'm curious about is actually what is the most awkward thing you've done on a date that you can remember?

Josh: Okay, great. Starting with Josh.

Tommy: Pete, have you had a few partners?

Peter: Like, yeah, I've had a couple of girlfriends.

Tommy: I think you class them as like real, real partners. Yeah, Jessies. I think I was old enough and we stayed together for a fair whack of time. So I'm just trying to think of one. You've been in a long-term relationship for a while.

Gemma: Yeah, how long? 8 years. It was our anniversary on Saturday.

Peter: Okay, congrats.

Tommy: Congratulations. Yeah, can we give him a name, some kind of character name?

Peter: Carpenter Chris. Yeah, Carpenter Chris.

Gemma: I just sometimes just call him the Chippy. The Chippy.

Tommy: What about we call him Scott Cam?

Josh: I love the idea of the image of you dating Scott Cam. It's pretty great. It comes out. That's why your voice goes to that.

Gemma: It comes up with like the me dating— when Ash Williams was on the show, I was like, I love Ash Williams. And Josh is like, you guys would be a really nice couple. I'm trying to be—

Tommy: Bogan power couple.

Josh: Money is fun. It would be great to connect up some Gronks. Like, how long until there's the first Gronk kid based on a Gronk relationship?

Peter: Oh, you're straight to kid.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, that's the— that's the— it's a huge leap. That's a journey. Yeah, absolutely.

Gemma: Well, I said there has to be a book launch. There has to be a party or something.

Tommy: So there needs to be a little bit of mixing going on.

Peter: So let's start with some mingling and some mixing.

Tommy: Yeah. Which— so Chippy Chris, i.e., Scott Camp, Was there anything when you first got together?

Gemma: Nothing. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like the circumstances in which we became boyfriend and girlfriend is just, I don't know if it's an awkward story, but we were, we'd been like sort of dating and then we were at the Harp Hotel in Q, very classy, very on brand for me. And this guy that was—

Tommy: tradie hour.

Gemma: This guy that was friends with an ex of mine came up and was like, hey, do you want to see a photo of my dick? And I was like, not even a bit of me wants to. I don't want that. And he's like, no, no, no, like, I'll show you it. It's like next to a Corona bottle so you get an idea of the size comparison. Then I've— what? Yeah, no, this is an actual conversation. And then this is Chris. No, and here we are. And then I—

Josh: you know the Corona bottles, it's like—

Gemma: he is getting out his phone. It's outrageous. Text Chris from across the room and like, SOS. Yeah. And then he's come over and put his arm around me and he's like, hey, can you stop hassling my girlfriend? And it was the first time he'd called me his girlfriend. And then we were both like, oh, we haven't used that word before. And he was like, oh, okay.

Josh: I thought that was at the guys' night. Wow. Yeah.

Gemma: Um, and then that's our anniversary. We were like, how do we work out when we started going out?

Josh: Do you always have a Corona on the anniversary?

Gemma: Oddly enough, but maybe I'll bring that in.

Josh: That is, it's, that is so fucked up. There's a lot to that story. That is a horrible—

Tommy: it was a pickup line that guy was trying to say.

Josh: Yeah, he said a pickup, but he had the photo.

Gemma: But he'd been like stalking me a little bit as well, like popping up in odd places. Yeah, turned up at my uni one day and was like, oh my god, what are the chances? I was like, pretty high because I go uni and you don't.

Josh: Yeah, that's, that's not ideal.

Tommy: That happens to be in I've bumped lips while kissing, like bumped my face while kissing, and I've tasted blood.

Josh: Whoa. Before. Oh my God. What, because, because you hit so hard? I just kiss hard. No, but is that what you're referring to?

Tommy: Well, like, I've had that happen before. I've had that happen during the day. Yeah, which is awkward because you like, you kind of just push through it. Do you acknowledge it? No, I didn't.

Josh: Is it like a, is it like a metallic-y irony taste?

Tommy: Like a metal? Blood tastes like. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah, maybe she'd been sucking on coins or something. You know, like, coins sort of taste like blood. Yeah. No, you never taste a coin.

Tommy: I've heard a storey when I took a girl on a date to the circus, which I thought was a great idea. That's good. And she got taken up. Oh no. Out of the whole— out of 400 people. For a very confident person, audience participation is my worst nightmare.

Gemma: She was actually stomped to death by the elephant.

Josh: No, what ended up happening? No, it was just nothing happened with that.

Tommy: Relationship. It was literally the last date, last bit. But it was like, I don't know, I wonder.

Josh: Yeah, well, so that's not, that's not a good outcome. No, it wasn't. So the circus was the bad bit?

Tommy: Oh, just, I think that it's, it's memorable and that's how I see it. But you could also say it is, and like, ah, this is a bit much. Did you ever read The Game?

Josh: Oh yeah, I did. Did you read The Game? I didn't actually.

Tommy: Did you read The Game?

Josh: No, I listened to the audiobook of The Game. I think it's interesting to read. I was already with Bray. Okay. So, but it's sort of, I used it as a way of gaining friends. Okay. Yeah. This manipulation techniques.

Tommy: Yeah. I'm aware of the way. Don't put those things together.

Josh: It's not, it's not, it's not so much that. No, but it's just like the being confident, like peacocking, like wearing ASICS can be a peacock.

Peter: Yeah. I've heard about that type of thing.

Tommy: The problem is there, it's an instruction manual and if you actually follow it, It's like, take little bits, you know? It's like, don't— you'll seem like a klutz. That's why I say don't fucking ask these questions on a date, Mr. 97. What's your Spotify list?

Josh: I think it was pretty solid. I liked it. I think it was a really good one.

Gemma: It shows a lot about a person.

Josh: Yeah, just like, what's it— what I mean, it's the modern girl here.

Gemma: I get to say what he can say on a date.

Josh: I think it's also the— that's like the modern day, like like, what music do you like?

Tommy: Really, isn't it? Yeah. What?

Gemma: No, because I think what music do you like is a shit question, but I think that's why we probably— specific question. Okay, sure.

Tommy: I got infuriated this morning. I was reading an article.

Josh: I want to find out— Pete had an awkward bit to his dad.

Peter: Did you? Do you want to tell the storey first? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Real quick. It was— I was like 19 and it was one of my first dates, and I remember I went and brought— I grew up in Ocean Grove, so I was very much in that surf coast vibe. And I went to Quicksilver and brought like a brand new pair of trackie pants. What color? Gray, like that kind of gray, mild gray.

Tommy: And then like—

Josh: Did you throw up shark as well? Yeah, I was like— That's a lot.

Gemma: Chris used to live in Rosebud, didn't go to the beach once. So all the time I'm like, are you going surfing today?

Josh: That's the best.

Peter: So I had bright— sorry, no, I had mild grey trackies and I brought like an aqua blue Quicksilver hoodie with a big Quicksilver sign on it. Look out. And we went out for lunch and I was in tracksuit pants and a bright blue hoodie. And I just look back on it like, what was I thinking? What year was this?

Gemma: Because I reckon I've hooked up with people who looked exactly like— I would have been like, oh my God.

Josh: It's definitely a certain look.

Peter: Wow. It was a certain look. And I was in Ballarat too.

Josh: So, people had never seen a surfer before, you know.

Peter: Now, here he is in his Quicksilver. I thought I was killing it.

Tommy: Didn't go so well. Not another date?

Peter: No. Oh, actually, we dated for a little bit longer, but Yeah, it's great.

Tommy: I mean, it's a vibe. That's the vibe of that down the Surf Coast or Ballarat too.

Josh: Yeah, but I think the way that TJ talks about his childhood, I get this sense of like, um, I don't know, like I imagine like the Hills or Laguna Beach or something like that. Anyway, he showed photos the other day and it would just look fucking disgusting.

Peter: There was bleach. There was a photo of you in some sunglasses. Oh, that was my favourite photo.

Tommy: Amazing. I reckon I took a screenshot of that.

Gemma: I feel like it's going to come in useful somewhere.

Tommy: There was some, yeah, these sunglasses that were in fashion. They just— were they?

Gemma: The Batarang? That's another thing I would have looked at being like, he's so hot.

Tommy: Definitely. It was like the races, like family day. I can't even remember what year that was.

Gemma: I would have been wearing a Von Dutch cap around that era.

Josh: That was right.

Tommy: What's Von Dutch? Denim miniskirt.

Gemma: Pink Ugg boots, Von Dutch cap.

Tommy: Yeah, Von Dutch was just a brand almost similar like that. They had like the patch stuck onto the trucker hat.

Josh: Okay, it's a, you know, I could imagine like Jessica Simpson wearing it.

Gemma: Yeah, it's very Paris Hilton.

Tommy: Definitely. These brands all come through. There was, um, that tiger one, you know, the— what was that called? Fuck. Um, yeah, I know, it was so bogey, so bogey, but I bought a shirt.

Gemma: You would have had a bit of, um, Ed Hardy. Remember that? Yeah, Ed Hardy.

Peter: What about the Juice Jumpers.

Josh: Do you remember the Juicy J Australia? Yeah. Ed Hardy. There's actually a shit version of Ed Hardy that's at one of the DFOs. Define shit version. No, no. It's just like, because I thought, oh, this is Ed Hardy. And someone said, no, like, it's actually Ned Hardy. It's literally like that. There's like a one word change or whatever. It was so shit.

Tommy: I think like fashion stuff, Jeremy, people who wear fake things. But like own it. Like it's horrible.

Josh: What do you mean own it?

Tommy: But they own it. Like they wear it. They really lean into it. I'm wearing a $700 t-shirt.

Josh: They own it. They pretend though. They're pretending.

Tommy: But they just wear them. Yeah. And they just think, oh, this is—

Josh: They don't own that they're fake. They— Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Sorry. Okay. So they wear it like it would be real. Yeah, sure. But you know, it's not.

Gemma: I have strong feelings about that. Yeah. What do you think?

Tommy: Like Balenciaga, all these things. But who's doing that?

Josh: Who's actually like— Lots of people. Wouldn't you be a bit embarrassed?

Tommy: So this is what I think, right? I mean, you see a bunch of bogans like, you know, TN wearing sort of, they look like they're ready for a game of tennis. Who's TN? The lads' TNs are shoes. Yeah. Just like, think about a lad, what you would call a lad. Those kind of people I've seen wearing like the Balenciaga shoes. I can get a, like, you can get Yeezys fake, you can get all fake stuff. Still, and it's cheap.

Josh: I couldn't do it.

Tommy: But that's the thing. I mean, is that what— so what's your thinking?

Gemma: I just get— I get upset because I, like, if I want something designer, I save up for it. So then if I see someone with the fake version, I'm like, how dare you? Is that insulting? Yeah, like, I take it really personally.

Tommy: Do you think it's true that, uh, Adidas also produce the Yeezys that are fakes? I heard about that thing.

Gemma: Yeah, I heard that too.

Tommy: So it's like the brands go, all right, we're going to be fucked here because there's going to be companies that are going to do rip-offs and we might as well just create our own. They make both.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's what my mum used to say.

Gemma: Cosmetics is a big thing now as well.

Tommy: You can look that up, Mr. Nice7.

Josh: With best and less, mum used to say Mango and Mambo, same factory. Mango. Oh, they would be. Yeah, yeah.

Gemma: Kylie Cosmetics was, I think it still is made in the same factory as ColourPop Cosmetics.

Josh: Controversial. So the cosmetics thing— it's not their formula. Well, how about this? That's very— that's the most controversial we're getting on the show.

Tommy: No, but I haven't accused anyone of being a paedophile today.

Josh: Oh yeah, that was— woohoo! Yeah, I still think about that. Same. I'm glad you think about it because I was like, I'm always like—

Gemma: that was a Gronkh move. I've gone full circle.

Josh: Yeah, but the— no, because we've turned transcriptions on, on our website that's coming very soon. Should be over the weekend. So every single episode, when you search, you're actually going to be searching— the transcript will be picked up as well. And so some— if you— if we ever called someone a paedophile or use their actual name, say John Smith one day is like, oh, I wonder if anyone's said anything about me on the internet. You could type in John Smith and be like, oh, 'Oh, I've got a mention,' and then you could listen to it and be like, 'Oh, you'd be a devil if your name was John Smith.' Be so annoying.

Tommy: I think it'll be harder to make a case against— make defamation cases against things like podcasts and YouTube videos more as we go into this world of just content saturation. Like, you think about what we're doing, it's 7 days a week, it's fucking a lot of fucking service.

Gemma: Easy to lose your job over what is said on a podcast, as it turns out.

Peter: What's this about? I don't know this.

Tommy: What's this about? Who lost their job? Someone lost their job over something.

Gemma: Scott Cummings.

Tommy: Scott Cummings.

Josh: I don't know. Oh yes, you do.

Tommy: That's the, um, oh, the money guy.

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, it's the podcast. A footballer. The hump Wednesday. The—

Tommy: oh, well, can we talk about this? Oh no, we can. So our friends at Shameless were taken down by a bunch of gronks. Yeah, so they had some flippant fucking— yeah. Remarks about the girls.

Josh: Well, there wasn't fucking remarks because they literally like took grabs from their podcast and fucking like delivered that. But then it was also the— I only listened to a little bit of the second one. I didn't even listen, guys. Yeah, well, I did. I listened for us. I listened for us.

Gemma: You do not fuck with my friends.

Josh: You just don't do it. And you can see their ratings have shown that. Not to joke, which is— it's really funny seeing their—

Gemma: The podcast is gone now as well. They've stopped doing it. Oh, really?

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Because they fucked it up. But I mean, you're going to be able to be more articulate than I am with it.

Gemma: So what's happened? That happened with Michelle and Zara. They, Michelle and Zara were told that they'd been discussed and clips had been played on this show.

Tommy: Fuck, there's a funny storey about it, about when they worked out.

Gemma: Yes.

Tommy: Getting their DMK enzyme facial, which is like the mask that goes really rock hard and you can't speak. Yeah. And they worked it out.

Josh: They look like a Krispy Kreme glaze.

Gemma: Wonderful treatment. Really good. When you peel and, you know, never mind. Wrong audience. Um, yeah, so the girls discussed it on their podcast in just a very them way, like they were very rational about the whole thing. That is the only time they've spoken about it, which is now 2 weeks ago. Um, naturally the Shameless listeners went and negatively reviewed the Hump Day podcast. Um, I think maybe that team didn't realise how big of a listening the Shameless girls have.

Tommy: So what do you think they did? Like, I don't want to give them credit by them thinking thinking that that's a way to get attention.

Gemma: Yeah, that was thrown around as well. But I really don't think they are. I think they're tone deaf.

Josh: Yeah, I think that part of it, I think part of it is that like, because what they were even laughing at was showing how tone deaf they were because it was, they were laughing like, haha, who would, who would even like this? It's like, oi dickheads, like you've come into their space. Do one Google search. Yeah, from an audience, but like they're not the audience of what Shameless was producing. And so I guess that was the But how they followed up. Yeah.

Gemma: So then what happened from there, the boys just kept every day there were more and more posts on Instagram. There's stuff that like I won't go into because they were doing about it.

Tommy: The blokes.

Josh: Yeah, they just kept on like, I just saw a couple of things. They just kept on like, haha, this is all funny and all that sort of thing.

Gemma: And it got picked up by the Herald Sun. So Susie O'Brien, who wrote the article, started also getting harassed by them. So she wrote another article. Then the team at The Sun started listening to a couple of episodes on the podcast. And there is the same episode where they talk about the girls. They also do a segment where they are reading stuff out from Urban Dictionary, um, and some of what they were reading out was describing sexual assault, and they were having a nice little laugh about that. And as it turns out, you actually can't laugh about sexual assault. So Yes, that's the end of that.

Tommy: So he lost his job where?

Gemma: 3AW and Croc Media. I don't think he was doing anything with Croc Media at present, but he won't be for the next 12 months.

Josh: I guess part of the shame in the whole thing is the fact that they couldn't just see, like the second time around, it felt like it would have been nice for them to at least say, oh, like, real life, like had enough time to be able to say, you know what, we're going to shift gears and realise that, like, but to keep provoking and to be—

Gemma: they still are, they're still going, oh, but we were just reading off the internet. Yeah, maybe Urban Dictionary should lose its job. Oh, good one.

Tommy: Yeah, what's fucking annoying is people who are successful. Dane Swan has played football and made a lot of money doing so, was one of the best players in the league, right? It's like like, dude, fucking think about everyone who wants to be in your position, everyone who wants success in their field as much as you've had in yours. Yeah. And to do that to another field is just like fucking bad.

Josh: Well, that's what you just imagined. Imagine you're a bad sportsman. Well, just imagine putting on a podcast and hearing a public figure talking about the shit that you're doing and playing bits and taking it out of context and doing all that sort of shit, especially be like, I was listening to, um, one of the latest episodes or whatever, and, uh, Zara was being really vulnerable. I'm like, you hear this and then it makes it even fucking— yeah. And you think about how much worse it makes the whole thing. It's like when they're talking about all these personal things and they've got people cutting it up and doing all that sort of shit.

Peter: I think it's a broader thing too, of like, as a creator, to take down another creator, it's just like, talk about gronk moves. Yeah, we're all trying to make meaningful content for interesting people or whatever. Yeah, we're trying to serve the people that are interested in hearing what we have to say. To take people down for doing that, like, it's just—

Josh: yeah, I guess the, the interesting bit is there's a great book by Jon Ronson called So You've Been Publicly Shamed, and it talks about the mob mentality. And that's why I guess that all of this stuff is interesting, because there is a certain, um, there's— it feels like there's diminishing returns going the other way. So like, I can see things that could have— like, we could say shit that would then end up having a mob, uh, come after us when it wasn't necessarily, uh, just or didn't make sense, or it was within— without the context. And so I guess that's why it's hard as well, because it's like, uh, those guys, those guys double fucked up because they still got— like, there hasn't been any lesson that had been— yeah, I think you could fuck up and say sorry.

Tommy: And actually learn from it if you genuinely have.

Gemma: Like, I think it takes a special type of narcissist to hit rock bottom and then still be blaming everyone else.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, Andy McGuire's fucked up a heap of times and just says sorry, and it's like, you do learn. I've said shit on this podcast I don't think now. Yeah, and I don't believe to be true, and I just actually see it as someone else said it. That's not taking away responsibility for saying it, but it's like my thinking and what I believe in now is just this complete completely removed. Yeah.

Josh: But it's also a willingness, I think, that if someone was to call it out, to actually— I think that there's a feeling that you want to just defend yourself. But I also, like, I know that I felt shit saying certain things previously, and it's like, oh, you know what, if it ever comes up, I'll just say, yeah, I'm sorry. Like, that's, that's not how I feel about that.

Gemma: I think the other thing is part of their argument is like, oh, it's funny, take a joke. But I just think there are ways of making comedy that doesn't involve putting other people down. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: It was shit. How did you find the response from— you were on Shameless and you spoke about things that you'd never spoken about, which reminded me of TJ in the shower with the thongs with you staying in Sydney.

Gemma: That's relatable. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't spoken about it, I think. Yeah. And you can hear when you listen to it because the girls had said, look, do you mind if we ask about toxic workplaces? And I was like, yeah, that's fine. And then I spent the afternoon like, shit, how much do I talk about? Um, but I just wanted to tell that storey specifically because I was like, I feel like there are so many people— and I was 23 at the time— there'd be girls that age that would be in similarly awkward situations and going like, this is fine because it's such a good opportunity.

Josh: So for people who didn't hear, can you rehash a little bit?

Gemma: The short version is, the— where I was working previously, they put me in charge of this massive project in Sydney. So I was up there for 2 weeks working 7 days a week. Um, they put me in a hostel for the 2 weeks and I was sharing a room with our videographer who's a bloke 10 years older than me. Yeah, which is not—

Josh: it only flies business, so he's absolutely mortified by this idea. And Cabri books my flights. It just looked like it was—

Gemma: even just being in a shitty hotel was hard enough for 2 weeks when you're working the whole time. Sharing a room with someone that you're working with is hard because I like to work in the mornings, he was working through the night, so you're not really sleeping. But then also being in a room with a dude that I had worked with probably 3 times before that. Wow. Yeah, and it was all fine, and at the time I was like, this is— I mean, what a wonderful opportunity, I'm blessed. Yeah. But now I'm looking back and I'm like, it's not— that was weird.

Josh: Who's responsible? In those scenarios, who should be the one to say, that doesn't seem right? The company.

Gemma: But I said it was fine. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, I find that interesting though, because it's like you can, because it has shaped you in some way. And so that's part of it, right?

Gemma: I don't take shit from anyone now.

Josh: But I guess that's part of it, right? It's like, and your willingness to do it, if you didn't have, if you hadn't have done it, would you be doing what you're doing? Like all of these things, like it's It's very strange.

Gemma: You just don't know. This is what Zara and I were talking about. Like, you just don't know because you don't know what would have come out of the alternative.

Tommy: So you go, nothing bad came from it. So the worst possible situation didn't happen. Yeah. But you're in a situation where something bad could happen, right? More likely to happen. As a business.

Gemma: Hostel PTSD. I got home and like took my toiletry bag and thongs into my shower at home. Chris is like, Jem, you don't need to. We should do that here.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it's like the sensitive climate will encourage business owners. Like, I think about that as a business, they're probably like, we've got fuck all budget, we're doing this on a shoestring, we need to do that. But that's not good enough. If something's like, if something bad happens, you'll go, you're hoping, like, they're lucky nothing happened, right? They're lucky what comes out of this is a storey where you learned a lesson. It's like, you can't do that. We don't live in that world anymore. If you're doing that, you're ancient. Yeah.

Josh: And so, yeah. What was the feeling though, telling that storey and knowing that it doesn't paint people in a great light? Uh, how was it? What was the sort of emotional—

Gemma: well, you can hear me on the podcast like on the spot deciding, do I tell this storey or not? I'm kind of like going around the edges of it, and then I think at one point I'm like, oh, fuck it, I'm just gonna tell the story.

Josh: Nothing will break the tension like TJ eating, yeah, Grain Waves.

Tommy: So maybe you could controversial Do you think you get away from with more being good looking?

Josh: Yes. Yep. So I'm— Any context?

Tommy: No, I was just thinking about the vision in my mind of that person, the videographer. I don't know, I'd hashed up some, you know, slack wearing, polo shirt, black shoes, slightly overweight. Oh really? I went the other way.

Josh: I went more sort of like could be a makeup artist but chose videography. Nah.

Tommy: Well, I think that's That's less like, I think you got a higher chance of people thinking they're not a predator. They're not, they'd never do anything like that.

Josh: Versus if you watch all the crime or listen to the crime podcast and all that sort of thing, it's the normal looking psychopaths that you have to be careful of.

Gemma: Yeah. I wasn't stressed in the slightest.

Josh: Yeah. Anyway. Was that the end of your interview?

Tommy: I mean, we could talk about— This is an interesting question.

Gemma: Well, I did have a—

Tommy: You deal in the beauty space. It's right. Beauty can be for yourself, it can be for others. There's multiple reasons people do it, but there's also the reality of, you know, looking great. I think just in social situations, people aren't looking to you. Like, I just think about— I actually have thought about this as me, but me as a dad, right?

Josh: And you only want Bodhi to have hot friends.

Tommy: No, but I was thinking about me talking to other people.

Gemma: I can teach him how to do that. It's very easy to curate your friends.

Tommy: I don't think I come across— so as a parent, I interact with children more when I don't even have my kid there because I just feel it's like, oh hey, I'm high-fiving and I just have this— I'm drawn to kids because it's like, yes, dad vibes, right?

Josh: But you don't have that, but you don't have dad vibes.

Tommy: But then I was like, maybe, yeah. And then I think in the situation, I don't think they know that I have— I would have a kid. Like, you can't, as a man. I don't know what it looks like.

Josh: Dads don't wear hoodies.

Gemma: And then you look like a psycho if you walk up and you're like, hey, don't worry, I've got a kid.

Josh: Hand over the working with kids.

Peter: Why would you say that?

Josh: Can we get you a best dad hat? Yeah, that would be pretty fun. Number one dad.

Gemma: He's got a mug at all times.

Josh: When is the world's best dad? When is Father's Day, actually? September.

Tommy: Oh, my birthday. Yeah, it's this year. It's on my birthday, first Sunday of every September. That sucks.

Gemma: You're only going to cop one round of presents.

Tommy: Nah, two, mate. What are you talking about? They do the shit in the year too.

Josh: They do the whole thing at like— I wonder if they'll do that at play playgroup. What's it called?

Tommy: What does he go to? Daycare. They'll make me something for Father's Day. But then I was thinking about— not for your birthday—

Gemma: in a situation where— macaroni necklace.

Tommy: I don't know, I just think people cast less judgement if you're good looking, whether it be in a situation where you're like interacting with kids and, you know, like if you were looking at someone who was like— he's calling himself good looking— I'm okay with that. Are you okay with that?

Gemma: As in you saying it? I think I wouldn't get as much work as I do if I looked different to what I do. I think, I mean, people look to me for like beauty advice.

Josh: Pete, do you think you're good looking?

Peter: No, not really. I don't really think about it that much. I think you're right.

Tommy: I don't think about it much either, but I also—

Josh: It sounds like you do.

Tommy: I also, what, you just know some facts. We know that Dyl is a baller who can write a book. It's a fact. I'm very aware that I'm a 7.5.

Josh: I'm very aware. I didn't know the decimal, like you could do decimals.

Tommy: Yeah, absolutely. You can go the half.

Josh: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's good to know.

Tommy: But I think you could, I think it's nice to have a sense of what you are like. I think if it's a—

Gemma: I have a terrible personality.

Josh: But I have good days. Like, do you have, Pete, do you have days where you look in the mirror and say, I look good today?

Peter: I think everyone has those days. Where they think, A, I look good today, or B, I look awful today.

Tommy: This is a very internal conversation. I don't— It really is. This is stuff in your own head. Yeah.

Peter: I think there's universal principles of some days you think you look good and other days you think you look miserable.

Josh: Well, 'cause everyone's got a benchmark that they're working with. Yes. Right?

Peter: And I think to your point of like, do we treat good-looking people differently? I think there's unfortunately a bunch of unconscious biases like that that we have. And if you look at the history of society over the last 300 years, you would say the same thing about males. Like if you are a male, you're probably gonna be treated differently to if you're a female. As a white Western male, we just like won the lottery in the way that we were born in society represents that is something of value. And that's none of our control. It's just complete fluke.

Josh: So, does that— If we do think we're good looking, which I haven't said whether I think I look good looking or not.

Peter: Would you like us to ask you, Josh? Do you think you're good looking?

Josh: I actually don't know.

Gemma: I think you have on a previous episode.

Tommy: Yeah, we did. I did an episode.

Josh: I mean, my folliculitis really kills the whole— What vibe? I don't like my scalp. We've been through this.

Gemma: Talking about your scalp is—

Tommy: I know, it's nice. That's what I mean.

Josh: That's what, that's what I'm talking about. But that's a true bit. Having a towel that doesn't smell too good, that's not, it's not, not sexy. No. Having folliculitis, not hot, which we don't even know if I have folliculitis. So talking about it, but I guess maybe I get— here's maybe a more interesting question. Do you associate yourself with someone that's attractive? Like, oh sorry, do consider— is it part of your identity? Which I, I think that TJ, there is a level of your identity which is, I'm a good-looking dude. Like, that is part of your— whereas maybe I think I look okay, but it's, it's not one of my brand values.

Gemma: I've so not thought about it. Yeah, deeply.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I remember— Dead hair was nice.

Josh: It was nice.

Tommy: Do you know what, like, I honestly, when I was young at primary school level, like super young, I remember people, like girls talking about me, "Oh, he's hot," you know, like, well, that's like— I get how it embeds into you.

Peter: Yeah, you'd be conditioned to think that because you were told that.

Tommy: Yeah. And so I never saw it that way. Well, it was their fault. It was the girl's fault. Call him out. But no, I get that, right? But I don't think about it to that level.

Gemma: Someone was talking about me on the train last night. I found out a girl I used to work with. Just randomly? Yeah, there was a guy that was like on my Instagram or Facebook or something and was saying to his friend like, oh, I went to high school with this chick, and then Googled me on the train. And then my friend's sitting behind him like just taking notes of everything. I still don't know who it was, but she saw the whole transcript.

Josh: I wonder, it's pretty crazy. Like Michelle and Zara would get that a bit now with like Shameless. Less.

Gemma: It is crazy to think. Well, Michelle's boyfriend has people coming up to him now. Ah, that's right.

Tommy: Yeah, which is wild.

Josh: Yeah, let's, let's throw back to the, uh, the 3D Dylan Mr. 97 before we wrap this up.

Tommy: Oh yeah, what do we get?

Josh: Oh yeah, it has been weekend banter.

Tommy: It does go fast when there's 4 here. I wanted to—

Josh: let's, um, let's address the elephant in the room. What's the elephant? The book. Oh, okay. And so we said, we said that we weren't going to talk about it. Yeah, exactly.

Gemma: Well, actually, I'm glad.

Josh: Frankly, I put it out of my head. Yeah, I'm actually glad in that case, but I wanted to celebrate. Let's give everyone 3D Diller a clap for doing his book. I did get angry last night and he did follow it up with a really nice inspirational post, which is the most fucking annoying thing when you're angry. It's extremely annoying. You're a nice guy as well. Yeah, exactly. It's very unfair. It's just, yeah, he's run the marathon. I did see that. Yeah, he's run the marathon and he's finished first and I'm still running.

Tommy: You've fallen over. I've fallen over.

Josh: And he's on the megaphone going, guys, everyone get around Josh. Yeah, everyone get around Josh. It actually reminds me of Chris, the captain of the old footy team that I was involved with, who would— no one was allowed to start training until everyone had done 2 laps. And so he thought it was a good idea that because I was the last one, he would then get the team to do the last lap again with me because I'd only done one. That's so funny. That's happened.

Tommy: I was at the, the playground, the outside workout joint in St Kilda on the beach, and there was some footy kids training and they were doing a time trial. And so like 20 kids got back and then they're all just set up this tunnel where they were clapping on either side and the fat kids were running through. Just like, get it, mate, get it. Slightly patronising. Yeah. That's the thing. It's so patronising.

Peter: It's so generous. But also now that kid knows that he's the fat slow one.

Josh: Yeah. Come on, loser. Because it actually, it, um, yeah, it's a, it's a nightmare because the thing is when you're running and you're puffed and then you just sort of see them gliding next to you as well and just sort of like, just like, and they're talk. Like, I can't talk.

Peter: They're like, how are you going, mate?

Josh: And then I was just like, I would end up being like, no, guys, you, you just start training. I'm fine, you guys start. It's like, just, we're doing it, guys, we're a team, we're doing this. It's like, it was an absolute, uh, nightmare. So I felt like that. But, um, yeah, we don't have to talk about the book, but the—

Peter: yeah, I alluded to it earlier, but we let it go.

Josh: Yeah, well, what I will say is that it was all connected to charity. So it's all happening and it's very close to being finished. Yeah. And so that's, that's all I'll say.

Gemma: Do you want me to stop giving you shit about it?

Josh: Yes. Yeah, I think we stop. We stop. I haven't always. Because you know what I realised last night? I was doing, I was writing and then I think it must have been doing lives. Yeah, I was doing lives and stuff. And then I think Bray was like, and because she's always the first one to go, you got to get it done, you got to do it. And I think I've been very stressed because we've had edits on and like there's actual work that needs to be done. Right. And she said like, mate, like she goes, you know, you fucked up. You shouldn't have told everyone that you were going to do 4 hours a night. Like, that was silly.

Gemma: You knew Gemma was going to try.

Josh: And so, yeah, we spoke about like a better plan that takes a little bit longer, but there'll be a milestone and we'll talk about it and we'll celebrate me when that happens. And until then, we'll shut the fuck up. The book launch. We'll do the launch that you just described. I would love that, as long as 3D Dill is running alongside. Uh, that would be great with the megaphone on, on my 5th lap and you're finished. The megaphone, we— I definitely want to get a megaphone. And we also— I made the promise of the microscope and we'll definitely be doing that.

Tommy: Uh, so this is— noting them down.

Josh: Uh, this has been, uh, Weekend Banter. Just very quickly before we go, retrospectively, uh, looking, looking back at the episode That is what retrospective means.

Gemma: Yeah. What do we—

Josh: but not looking far back in regards to every episode, but today's episode. What do we think? Did it feel differently? Should we change anything?

Tommy: 4 people brings up an energy. 5, 6 people in the room. It's definitely— it goes fast. Yeah. We said we're going to finish at 4 PM.

Josh: Yeah. It's very tangential as well.

Tommy: It just goes hard. I think you find your feet. Every podcast is about 20 minutes where you're just finding your feet and then it's just, you could go. Go for hours.

Josh: We nearly called the podcast, do you remember the other names we nearly called it, TJ? Probably don't. No, I don't. The Tangent. It was sort of because it was like we're going to go all over the place and all that sort of thing.

Peter: Because we did today, it was very tangential.

Josh: But the problem is spelling tangent. No, T-A-N-G-E-N-T.

Peter: Yeah, I just wasn't sure if it was A or E.

Tommy: Very easy. It's exactly how it's spelled.

Josh: Yeah, that's very good.

Peter: Well, and on that note. Yeah, absolutely.

Josh: Thanks for listening. This is The idea of Weekend Banter is it's meant to be a little bit looser. It can be, it's probably—

Gemma: Yeah, because the other episodes aren't.

Josh: No, well, it's highly structured.

Gemma: That would be my biggest criticism.

Josh: Every time I come in here, it's just too— Too much. Too on point. I think that part of it is that we can, well, people understand what's going on. Like we understand the vernacular. We understand the world that we've created, which is the Gronk Squad.

Gemma: So what I like is that rather than using this extra episode as an opportunity to extend to the friends of the show.

Josh: You've just brought back the only two existing ones. We put together a spreadsheet of everyone that's been on for more than— who did we have? If you look at the other spreadsheet, who's on the most?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Can you go from the top, from the top, Mace? Who's done 3? Who do we have access to for weekend banter? Because initially we said weekend banter, you had to be on the show 3 times before you come on. Which I don't think— we're gonna have to change that rule. Would there be others? There would be, yeah. Yeah, there's a couple.

Tommy: Craig Harper. Oh yeah, Jules. Have you— Jules, Matt Diavella, Ryan John, Craig Harper, uh, and then Gemma and Pete, Trev and Jules. It's a good crew. And Scooter Derrick.

Josh: Strong crew. So many women. Yeah, so we like to have very white. It's a very motivated motivational white guy sort of vibe. A lot of coaches. I am a motivational white guy.

Gemma: I'm on this podcast more than I'm on my own podcast.

Josh: There's actually a lot of truth to that. Why was your podcast app going off so big? Like, it's like there's a lot of people watching it. Flow Journal. It's really good. Well, it's like, it's—

Tommy: Why are you having success?

Josh: It's doing my fucking head in.

Gemma: It's a crash, but it still does well. No, it's a really good— The business of beauty is a niche.

Tommy: Yeah, no, that's what I mean.

Josh: Like seeing it in the top, I think it was like top 10 or top 3 or something.

Gemma: Top 3 in arts. But it normally charts in the arts chart most of the time.

Josh: I just happen to look at it. And you haven't, I feel like you don't share it that much because I didn't realise that.

Tommy: Right now what's happening is a classic. We're about to finish, but we'll go into another 15 minutes.

Peter: Another 10 minutes.

Josh: Well, that's my, I can't say goodbye. Anyway, if you've listened this far or if you've watched watched, take a screen grab, share it on Instagram so we know that you've been listening. Tag up— well, are you even active, Pete, on Instagram?

Peter: Feel free to tag me, yeah, and I'll have a look at my personal account.

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