Still Processing

Tommy: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 381.

Josh: What's going on, guys? What's happening?

Tommy: It's Tuesday.

Derek: It is?

Tommy: It feels like Wednesday.

Josh: Uh, I don't know. Either way, I'm— I've just been— I've been processing, just processing yesterday's events, and, um, I'm slightly rattled still from the weekend.

Tommy: I think everyone will be, whether they're sitting in their cars or they're walking along or they're fishing, maybe they're fishing somewhere.

Josh: Fuck. If you've done something obscure while listening to this podcast, please let us know.

Tommy: Take a photo if that's a chance. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, just things outside of everyday.

Tommy: When do you actually process, do you think, the most? When are you thinking the most?

Josh: Well, it's my wife and my anniversary today, and she's someone who's taught me a lot about processing. I think I've been someone to push past things very quickly. Like, I want— no, I want, you know, I want like to fix this problem. It's done. Let's sort— like, it's sorted. Let's fucking move on.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Whereas I've seen Amy, she's become a lot more like you. No.

Tommy: Well, she's less processy.

Josh: She processes quicker than she used to. She would think, you know, take it in. And I've really observed her and what it means to process something. I think you're a process guy. But then again, as you know, you're close to being a 14-year-old girl. Than not.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: I think you're, you're very in your head. You take something in. If it's said, you'll sort of process on it. You'll sit on it and you'll think about it. Think about all the meanings that it had. What did it mean? What could have it meant?

Tommy: What did you used to say that I would do? You're layering.

Josh: Oh, you're layering.

Tommy: Was that layering?

Mason: Was that what he said?

Josh: That was just by Mason being in the same room as us.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, having a fire. You just triggered it. It was just triggered.

Josh: But I've seen Amy sort of go through that processing thing, and I've probably not thought that I process. Yeah, I'm fucking—

Tommy: I can believe it.

Josh: I don't process, it just goes in and I'm done. But I think as I got home—

Tommy: what did you just— oh, okay.

Josh: Last night I'm sitting around, Bodhi's just gone to bed, I was cutting pumpkin.

Tommy: Uh, you're like, oh my God, am I processing?

Josh: Oh, I had a moment where I was processing. Your ears ring and I just started laughing.

Tommy: Really? Yeah, I just started laughing.

Josh: I think you were just tired.

Tommy: I was probably tired too.

Josh: What were you processing? I was just processing the fact that 3D Dill's written a book.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And the outrageousness of that. And just, just probably tired as well.

Derek: Yeah.

Josh: But it was, yeah, it was funny.

Tommy: If you missed, if you missed yesterday's episode, July 1, you should go and have a watch. That's, it's going to be probably our most, most watched YouTube video.

Derek: Yeah.

Josh: Ever of our own show. Yeah.

Tommy: I like it. No, no, on the internet.

Josh: I said there was one thing that Dill should have done the announcement with the ability to purchase presale.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it should.

Josh: I mean, it was a missed opportunity, but if we were to poke holes, we'll figure it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And the, uh, so, Dil, what has the— what's the experience been like for you? What's happened overnight? What's the word in Canada?

Derek: It's been pretty cool. I mean, it's, it's still Canada Day back home, so everyone's still drunk. As, um, Trudeau made an announcement about the book No, not yet, but I'm expecting, I'm expecting that soon. No, people, people have been great about it. Like, I got so many messages, a lot of them from people I've never even met personally, yeah, saying like, congratulations, can't wait to read it. And that's, that means a lot.

Josh: That's what you do it for, right? Hang on. All right, so we got 3D Dills announcement feedback. JJ, announcement feedback 24 hours on from that episode. What's it been? Interactions, communication?

Tommy: It's the equivalent of I've had wedding, uh, and then during the ceremony, 3D Dill has decided not only to propose to a partner at the wedding, but he's got a celebrant and he's gotten married in front of my crowd. Not only that, but based on all of that ruckus, I never end up getting married. That's, that's how it feels at the moment. But we've postponed until, uh, Friday.

Josh: Yeah, no, okay, so So in short, have you had any hate, any feedback? No, I think it's been—

Tommy: Nothing? I've had a couple of people just being like, yeah, this is sort of— There's a few around the, I'm not mad, I'm disappointed sort of thing. Yeah, I hate that.

Josh: It's a funny comment.

Tommy: Yeah, but everyone knows that that's where they're going to get me. Eric, who's been on the show a bunch of times via phone when we were doing phone calls. He said that he could empathise with me based on me giving him a promise and never delivering, which I don't know which one he's talking about. It might be the— I think I said—

Josh: That's the danger. There could be quite a few. Where's my phone?

Tommy: It's over here.

Josh: Just sounds like it was a car falling from a building.

Tommy: It did sound a bit extreme. No, but I feel if anything, I'm happy with— happy for 3D Dill.

Josh: Yeah. No, we're back on track, boys. It's a new day. Another day, another dollar.

Tommy: Not going to mention the book until it's all done.

Josh: A new day, hopefully another dollar. Yeah, because there's no dollars made through Josh Janson yesterday.

Tommy: Well, you were also sent— we haven't even spoken about the donations and all that sort of thing. So that will happen when the book's announced. It seems premature talking.

Josh: Yeah, we said we'd sort of get off the talk around the book.

Tommy: What happened, Mr. 97? You got home, you didn't Insta story. Yeah, uh, TJ had a good point.

Josh: Yeah, you need to write who, who the Insta storey has come from. Yeah, I actually thought you'd reposted something and I was trying to work out for about 15 minutes while processing who.

Mason: That's, that's the first thought I had after posting it.

Tommy: Really? Yeah, you fucked up.

Josh: Yeah, it was just people from behind watching a computer screen. Yeah, and then it had like people tagged into it.

Tommy: I think there's gonna be a lot of people who get it and be like, oh, that's Denise, that's really Mr. 97's mum. No, I'm being sarcastic. No one's gonna know the back of your mum's '97 hasn't had the sort of cut-through that 3-day deals announcement had. And so they were just— so you got home and they were watching, they're watching the announcement?

Mason: Yeah, so I walked in the door after walking home from the bus stop and they had the, uh, the computer just full volume blasting. And I walked in and I heard Josh's voice. I was, I wasn't sure what was happening, so I went into the kitchen and I looked at what they were watching.

Tommy: Did you think I was in the kitchen when you came home? Is Josh over for What'd you have for dinner, by the way?

Mason: Uh, beef pie.

Tommy: Nice. Homemade, or like, how do you make it?

Josh: Yeah, well, Sam made it, so my brother made it using lean pastry or no pastry bottom, just a pastry top.

Mason: Pastry top, yeah.

Josh: No pastry bottom. No. So you're cutting out a few cals there.

Tommy: Is that why you do that, or is it because—

Mason: No, I think, to be honest, I think they just prefer it without.

Josh: It's a lot harder. It's a lot harder to do the pastry bottom as well as the pastry top.

Tommy: Okay, so you said you had, um, either way, I want beef pie now.

Josh: I want it right now.

Tommy: Was it like I— uh, anyway, back to it. Sorry, we don't want to—

Josh: yeah, okay.

Mason: Yeah, um, no, so I walked into the kitchen and, um, I went and looked at what was on the computer and there would— it was literally Dill's announcement as he was speaking. Yeah, so yeah, it's great.

Tommy: And what was the vibe at home?

Mason: They were laughing. They were laughing.

Tommy: Well, so this is the mix of—

Josh: this is so what they were—

Tommy: haha, funny. There's very—

Mason: there's—

Tommy: I think the complexity of the announcement is there's a range of emotions that we're experiencing.

Josh: That's why I had to process it.

Tommy: What was the, what was the main emotion that you, you felt, 3D Dyl, during the whole thing?

Derek: Happiness.

Tommy: Happiness.

Derek: So happy.

Tommy: And how much, how much of it is, uh, serious? Like, I'm doing this book and this, this is the thing, which is great. That's one thing. How much of it is you having a stab at me and it being a joke? What's the, what's the percentage?

Derek: It's about 90% me doing it for myself and hoping that other people can get something out of it.

Tommy: Okay.

Derek: And 10% at you. That's what it was at the start.

Josh: Yeah.

Derek: But then when you're going, oh, July 1st, I'm going to get this thing done, I'm like, oh, this is a good time to not take this guy down. But, uh, now you do knock him down a couple of times.

Tommy: You took me down. You took me down. And so the, um, Chapter-wise, have you got chapters yet? Where is— like, we didn't go into many of the details of the 13.

Derek: It's not really chapters, it's kind of like little, um, I don't even know what you would call it, like snippets. 13 snippets in total.

Josh: She's breaking all the rules.

Tommy: Just what do you mean snippet?

Derek: Like as in it's a chunk, it's not— you can call it a chapter, but I haven't labelled it chapter 1.

Josh: He doesn't want to put names on it. It sounds like it's just a chapter.

Tommy: Technically, I'm not putting a label. This is what happens when you don't have an editor. Call it a chapter.

Derek: This is what happens when you finish a book. You get to, you get into these details.

Josh: I mean, you met Barefoot Investor the other day. Yeah, one of the highest booksellers in the country.

Tommy: If only he knew that there was a fellow author. Just kidding.

Josh: Maybe next time he comes into the office, you get a few tips. Yeah, just, mate, what do you reckon? Um, what has come out of this whole saga, if we call it that, is that Mr. 97 nor I really have a promise that we've put forward. And this is not me making an announcement about a promise that I have that I want to launch, but more of a little bit of prompting to get— because I think even, was it, was it Tiff?

Tommy: Yeah, she said Tiff had nothing to say to Mr.

Josh: 97.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Which I mean, Tiff has come in at a time where Mr. 97 has got his head down. He's, he's just helping the boys.

Tommy: Spreadsheets.

Josh: There was a time when he was famous, famous on Shameless. Famous. It was famous. Yeah, it's on Shameless. So where he was on a mission for a date, which it's kind of—

Tommy: Well, I think it's easy. I mean, the thing is, Mr. 97 is a producer. You're on the show.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like you are like, you know, this camera is pointing one way at the moment. It's on you and I. I've had my project. I had many projects.

Josh: Project 16.

Tommy: Actually, I had many pro— But I've had many projects. Many, many projects. What is a project that you could do?

Josh: Yeah, I don't know yet. I've been thinking about it.

Tommy: What do you like? What are you interested in? What are your hobbies?

Josh: Well, hobbies, we've talked about that. I mean, I live a life that is quite enjoyable. So, the things I do for leisure have some connection to the things I do for work, which a hobby is just the things you do in your leisure time.

Tommy: Because I already, I mentioned to Bri, I was like thinking about on July 1st announcing that I was finishing the book in 4 days, but I was also to make it up for everyone, rewriting another book, but I was going to have a whole schedule and make it easy. And Bri said, absolutely not. So we're not doing that project.

Josh: I think, um, What I've got, I don't think I've got any problem with finishing something I commit to.

Tommy: Well, if you don't have any commitments, it's very easy, isn't it?

Josh: No, but it's just in general.

Tommy: It's literally like I used to say that I didn't get sunburnt and I went out into Port Melbourne Beach for 5 hours without any sunscreen because I thought I didn't get any sunburnt. It turns out I just hadn't been out in the sun and I got, I nearly had to go to hospital.

Josh: You put that image on Instagram, but you also increased the saturation slightly to overdrawn ties.

Derek: I saw that today.

Tommy: Yeah, I was going through it.

Derek: Yeah, I saw that too. I thought you were wearing a red shirt.

Josh: Keep your enemies closer.

Tommy: No, no, I do. It was, it was horrendous. It was horrendous. Yeah, but what is— seriously, what would be a—

Josh: I, I think I want to, um, think I want to step away. I want to bring forward a challenge. Maybe it's a 30-day challenge or a—

Tommy: my pushback on it is the best ones just happen. They just happen now.

Josh: They Yeah, this is why you're telling me to shave your head. No, I don't want to shave my head. Okay, I've grown my hair too long. It's taking it too fucking long. Okay, I think that's— that is too easy.

Tommy: I know. Well, if it's easy, just do it.

Josh: Yeah, but I've shaved it before. I don't want to. Okay, so this is what I mean. I'll take it, take it away, and I'll think, and I'll put forward a promise because I feel like I need to bring one to the table and actually see it through.

Tommy: I think that's good. I think that'd be— it'd be good to, on our new website, to have a promise section. Yeah, the website is coming, which was an actual promise, I think, that we made. Mr. 97, can you get out that document, um, so we can go through some of, some of the promises? Uh, 3D DILM, what is the actual process from here now? You made a bunch of changes in red pen.

Derek: Yeah, so I'm going through and editing it, um, figuring out what I want to change, what I want to clear up, what I want to cut. Rewrite certain sections.

Tommy: What is the— is there like a narrative? Like, how does it start? How would you describe it?

Derek: You're going to have to wait for the book to come out.

Tommy: You still trying to work it out?

Josh: What will happen with this teasing thing that he does is we'll just stop asking and he won't get a mention on the show ever again.

Tommy: Well, what is the— I mean, the main thing is that the who's it for? You mentioned that. Yeah.

Derek: Well, like in terms of the narrative behind it, it's a thought process. So it's where I started 3 years ago.

Tommy: You've been doing morning journaling and you're turning it into a book?

Derek: No, but I've thought about it. Like I thought of doing the Morning Pages thing for a while, but this with my thumb being the way it is, this like doing the book was an easier way to get a similar solution. But I found it for myself anyways to be a more effective solution.

Tommy: Did you use, uh, Google Docs or Microsoft Word?

Derek: I did it all in Microsoft Word. I'd wanted to write a book like since I was a kid, like that was my dream as a child, was to be like this famous author. And I thought, oh, if I, if I do it early enough, I'll become rich and successful, and then I'll be a rich teenager.

Josh: I mean, as creatives, what's the— like, putting these things out there, there's a high chance of looking back on everything we do as a bit cringe. Do you find that? Do you, do you find—

Tommy: I think that it's like, do you have that feeling that you do it all the first things, your first book, you'll look back at and be like, I can't believe what I wrote. Same is like our early podcast, like how much we've changed in a year. And we're like, you're 30, 35-year-old. Um, anyway, the, the, the, the promises, the promises, Mr. Nice7, from the top.

Mason: Okay, a promises page, the book, soundboard, life traps, 20 pages in, word of the day, couples counseling, 400. Not sure what that was.

Tommy: We're getting to 400.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Mason: Okay, um, Mr. 97 Guernsey, what was— oh yeah, oh yeah, putting a message in a bottle, uh, cutting down the swearing in videos.

Tommy: I think we've done that.

Josh: I called you a cunt yesterday.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And then I was tired.

Tommy: Yeah, it was fair.

Mason: Then the last one was a bit around exploring palettes and libraries.

Derek: Palettes.

Josh: Oh, we're going to do videos.

Tommy: Yeah, we've been committed to that. We said we're going to have it done within the month.

Mason: Yeah, that was in February.

Tommy: That's okay. I mean, what are you thinking projects-wise, Mr. 97? You see all the stuff happening, you see 3D DILS success. Why is that funny?

Derek: I wouldn't call it success. I just did something.

Tommy: It's success.

Derek: Depends on what you define success as.

Tommy: When is it? If that's not success, when's success for you?

Derek: I don't know. I haven't figured that out yet.

Tommy: Okay.

Derek: I'm just happy I got it done.

Tommy: Okay.

Derek: By July 1st.

Tommy: I think it's a success.

Derek: But, um, thank you.

Tommy: Uh, what do you think? What does it make you think, Mr.

Mason: 97, about doing projects? My promises and projects for myself? Um, well, in all honesty, I think we've got a few to knock off before I start making some more.

Tommy: But I'm happy for you to make some that you can do that's self-contained, because I think the, the other thing that can happen is a lot of promises revolve around me having to do something, which the barrier to entry is significantly higher because I'm a big ship, I'm hard to maneuver, whereas you guys are little tight speedboats and you can just fucking make shit happen.

Josh: But I like the analogy, it's great.

Tommy: Yeah, you're little speedboats. Yeah, the little nimble speedboats. Speedboats, but you're also scaredy little fucking speedboats. You're afraid to, to make the announcement. So surely we can do something. A tattoo?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you think you'd get the Daily Talk Show tattoo?

Josh: Oh, not yet, not yet. I reckon we get past 500 episodes and then we'll rethink it. Okay, that's not making a promise, that's just saying we'll rethink it past 500 because that's a lot of episodes. Well, I was listening to— oh, it's a video we're actually making that hasn't been released yet, and it was—

Tommy: which one?

Josh: Um, Milkshake.

Tommy: Oh yes.

Josh: Uh, and we had Zara and Michelle from Shameless, and Michelle, I loved her part talking about, um, making money from the creative endeavour that you're pursuing and how everyone is kind of geared towards you being encouraged that you won't make money, which is not encouragement. So it's just the communication. I think all these things, and so then it just becomes like this belief that you need to have.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, I had a phone call with my dad last night and it's like—

Josh: Is that something you have often? Oh, is this—

Tommy: Nah, I had two missed voicemails from him, from him in the last week, and I was like, all right, I'm gonna call.

Josh: What was the first one?

Tommy: How did Josh listen to them? But I saw that it had— and Bree's like, oh, you should call or whatever.

Josh: Voicemail, let's ditch it in the world.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No one—

Tommy: well, I do have visual voicemail now, but anyway, I called him, but it was sort of like, I feel like the classic things I need to say to him is, I'm busy. He wants to hear that I'm busy.

Derek: Okay.

Tommy: But then the other thing too is now he knows that he's learned that I can be busy but not making any money. So it's like, oh yeah, oh, that's good, you're busy. And, and making money as well. Yeah, Dad.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I get those from my parents about, have you, you know, enough work coming in? Which there is a dance between the thing that makes money and the thing that you're, your creative adventure. And maybe that's how parents of creatives have to approach it. Like maybe if Bodhi's a creative kid where he's doing this great work but he's not actually being able to support himself Yeah. So you kind of have to dig around. You don't want to— sensitive creatives, you don't want to be like, you know, have you got a job? Are you making any money?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Can you pay your rent?

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, those are all practical things, aren't they? Yeah, it's all— it's all— they're important.

Josh: Yeah, they're important. And you can't just— I mean, there is—

Tommy: yeah, you can't just—

Josh: we constantly are thinking about the risks that we are going to take.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And whether they're not going to pay and whether they're going to pay off or not. And so that's where, yeah, you have to have some level of logic to the things you're doing, but then you also want to be giving things a crack because nothing happens.

Tommy: Mr. 97, with the move from university to being here, yeah, has the support level gone up over time? What are the things that your parents are still worried about?

Josh: This is from Mum and Dad?

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Um, I don't think it's— I mean, I— they haven't, they haven't really voiced any concerns lately of, uh, um, I just watched the show.

Josh: Yeah, to be honest, it's actually good if you are a creative, just start a podcast because your mum and dad, mum or dad might listen to it.

Tommy: You look amazing.

Josh: Maybe not everyone, not everyone, but it gets them off your back.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: No, I think there's, there's definitely more With, with my mum listening to the podcast, I think there's a lot more understanding of what I'm doing. So it's like, yeah, she, yeah, she, she gets it as opposed to being like, uh, they could be making money, I don't really know what's going on. Yeah, it sounds like fun, but yeah. So, but I think she talked about us.

Tommy: Yeah, but, uh, everyone's worried about whether we're making money. Diane, Denise, Denise, great, great, great troll.

Josh: Diane, Diane, look, Denise, I need you now.

Tommy: Jeez, you're so good. He's so good. And the financial year, it's a sleek operation.

Josh: Came through nice, came through well. Anyway, I was trying to give some reassurance, but it came across as sleazy.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it does when you fuck up there, mate.

Josh: I'll just quickly pose a, um, pose a question to you guys. We haven't really— I mean, the announcement is that we're actually recording 7 days a week now. It kind of got overshadowed by the False announcement. And the two books. Yeah, got over. But I was thinking, we've talked about how we thought, no, we won't do it for a while, we'll hold off. But then like anything, you could keep saying, we're gonna hold off, we're gonna hold off, we're gonna hold off. When is the right time? There is no right time.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so you then do it. Do you think there is— and I've got my answer— a downside to what we're doing in terms of personally I definitely— and have you thought about any of these? Have you noticed anything?

Tommy: Well, yeah, like I can't, um, in every other situation that I've been in, I could leave within 4 weeks and travel for as long as I wanted without any risk.

Josh: So yours is more around the commitment?

Tommy: Commitment, yeah. There's a sense that I can't go. It's not like I can go anywhere.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, have you— you're old now. You're 28, 28, 29 in September. But I think you, I mean, you're not going to read the vagabonding book this year and then leave.

Tommy: No, but maybe I could. Like, I feel there is a freedom in that, but I think when the freedom's gone.

Josh: Yeah, but is it? I think if there's a reframing in freedom, right?

Tommy: That's what I mean.

Josh: That's what I mean. A person that's a vagabonder that has no money but can go anywhere, or the rich guy who can do anything.

Tommy: Or the poor guy with the podcast. No, but I know he's trying to build.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. So that is— and so do you honestly feel like that?

Tommy: No, I think that— no, but there is a, there is a re— as you said, there's a reframing that has to happen. And so you need to reconcile if, if that's been in your head, because that can make you stay around, I think, like being at a job or whatever, knowing that if I wanted to, I could leave. And I did it. I went, travelled for 4 months or whatever.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so there is— I think it's easier to talk about, like we talk about the Daily Talk Show and doing it for 10 years. It feels easier based on, okay, like we're— for the next 5 years we're going to be doing it in the same studio, but we don't know what the future— like we could be fucking flying cars in 5 years. Probably, probably not.

Josh: Most likely not.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it's a person. Like, so personally, does it affect? No. I mean, this is my favourite part of my day. The hard bit is when you have—

Josh: How about yesterday's show?

Tommy: Well, no, yesterday's show was fucking great. I loved it. The thing is that, like, the brilliance of what we've created is I can fail and I still feel so fucking happy.

Josh: Well, I mean, it's like me wanting to release a video of that we caught on CCTV of Dylan singing his lungs out. Which is like, it's not a fail, but it's a cute— and so we're in the business of showing our flaws, you know, our best bits and worst bits. And I think that's how you have a better chance of creating connection. It's authentic or whatever you want to call it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so people, there is a relatability in your fails and everyone's failed.

Tommy: It's also good, like, what are we in the, uh, like, why are we doing this thing? Like, at the end of the day, we're doing this because if I'm working remotely or if I'm like a freelancer or I'm going to my job, this is something consistent where people are having fun and trying shit.

Josh: Yeah, it's great.

Tommy: Creative.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, we, we make fun of you not making a consistent effort at the book, but you've consistently showed up here.

Tommy: So, but I also still learned, like, I feel like the thing is that tonight I was thinking about, I'm like, I've got to write the book. Like, that's what people might forget. Like, tonight I've got to do 4 hours of the book, and then next night, 4 hours of the book. Like, it continues. Like, it felt real good and all that sort of thing, but now I have to fucking do it. Yeah. So, I mean, how has it affected you personally?

Josh: I think— oh, so I went to a mate's 30th on the weekend, and we know you did the spit. I did the spit. It's amazing. It was amazing. Let's be honest, I want to do one for you guys. Um, maybe you could do a daily show, daily talk show spit roast, and we're gonna That would be fun.

Tommy: Is that what it's called? A roast? It's called a roast.

Derek: Spit.

Josh: It's called a spit.

Tommy: Spit roast.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: I thought you meant like a roast where we roast each other.

Josh: Roast, rotisserie on the spit.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: I don't know. Yeah, I think, I think that's right. But I've actually found that, and I mentioned this to you over the weekend, I think I've become, and I think I'm an extrovert. I think I get energy from other people. I like to, you know, chat with people. I, you know, put myself out there a lot in my life. Social situations, I'm not fussed with. Like, I enjoy them, as opposed to you. You enjoy them, but I think if you had the option of going or not going, you'd choose not to go.

Tommy: Yeah, absolutely.

Josh: Yeah, I think it's just, it's a clear distinction.

Tommy: I enjoy one-on-one time with people. Mr. 97 and I hung out Friday night. Yeah, we ordered pizza.

Josh: Oh, and that's a saga in itself. Hey, can you look at what's the definition of extrovert? Um, so you'll probably see a photo of me. No, I'm not.

Tommy: And so, I mean, no, but you're definitely— you had a bravado to you at the beginning. I feel like maybe 2 years ago that you've got less, like, less— like, you're a little bit less bouncy in a good way. I felt like, like, if you're in a room or whatever, like, you sort of— you're just, just fucking looking at people to talk to and shit to do.

Josh: I was on drugs, mate. Yeah, no, but I think I did feel, and even Amy's noticed, that I, I'm less inclined to want to have those social interactions, which I think is because of the, of us doing this show, which I don't think is it, because you could say that as a negative thing because you're like, I'm not the person that I thought I was. But then I think about it as the person I thought I was and the way I achieved that feeling of satisfaction by speaking and being out and amongst it, I get from this.

Tommy: But how is that different to what you were doing in radio? Um, oh yeah, see, I don't know, but did you get introverted at the right— like, I guess you would deal—

Josh: I was younger and I wanted to get out there and I enjoyed, I enjoyed the, the whole storey of, you know, I'm in this country town, I'm the person on the radio It's probably a bit ego-driven, like being noticed, you know, that kind of shit. Like, I think it fuels you and it's like a lesson. I don't— I wouldn't really want that. It's like, yeah, fame would be fucking annoying. Not that I was famous or anything, but you could— people knew who you were. And so that also fueled the energy of— and it's like this adventure you're on. I'm not in this place I don't live in. I've never lived here. This is a new surrounding. I'm meeting all these people. And so it served its purpose of my journey, right? And I'll probably write a book about that soon.

Tommy: But, um, do you think the, um, 3 Day Deal or Mr. 97, the, the learning of us— I'm always curious as to how I come across.

Josh: You're weird as fuck, dude.

Tommy: Do you think?

Josh: Which is great.

Tommy: No, I like being weird. No, what is the— I'm curious as to what— like, I like Radical Honesty, episode 14, if you, if you need a little bit of prompting.

Josh: Jeez.

Tommy: But the— we haven't mentioned that in a while.

Josh: Yeah. If it wasn't for episode 14, there would be no book. Yeah.

Mason: 3D Build.

Tommy: I wouldn't be here.

Mason: No deal.

Tommy: Isn't it crazy?

Derek: I wouldn't be here if you didn't—

Tommy: Putting a squeegee in my ass has had such—

Josh: I've almost given birth.

Tommy: I've given birth to someone through a squeegee.

Josh: Definitely. Because I don't know, I don't think you— I mean, I'm just saying it for the podcast, but do you think you would have actually written this book? If you didn't come to Australia?

Derek: No.

Tommy: Really?

Derek: No.

Josh: He wouldn't have written it?

Derek: No.

Tommy: Isn't it crazy? Isn't it pretty ridiculous to think that, like, the things that trickle on? Like, if you hadn't have Facebook messaged me, yeah, 3 years ago and said, hey, I'm starting a business, can we catch up? Yeah.

Josh: And then we went, you got a hot chocolate.

Tommy: Yeah, pretty sure you got, like, I think you got an 85% hot chocolate.

Josh: I was thinking from Phillips. Philip, fuck this guy. I'd never get into business with this bloke.

Derek: Here we are.

Mason: Look at—

Tommy: you've got it. You finally got the fat business partner that you've ever—

Josh: every, every fucking move that you make contributes to where you were going.

Tommy: But how are we like looking at the nuances? You can be candid. What's the, what's the difference from an original perception to, to now?

Josh: About you?

Tommy: About both of us.

Josh: About us.

Mason: Yeah, well, it's interesting because you, like, Josh, you, you're— you don't really— like, you, you say you avoid social situations, but when, when you get put in them and when you actually, like, interact with clients and stuff, like, yeah, I think, I think your radical honesty is just, like, uh, a point that they can relate to. So you're actually, like, I mean, you do some weird things, but you're pretty, like, pretty good socially in terms of, like, interacting with people and getting energy. Like, you go with Walks with Pete, you're like, you crave that social interaction, you still get energy from it. And then I think, yeah, Tommy's a bit more outgoing, but it's, it's sort of the same thing. You both get energy from, from other people and surrounding yourself with people.

Tommy: Just parties. We don't need part— like, parties are dumb. Yeah, but also, like, it feels like, uh parties might be less and less. That's silly. I just feel like maybe the future isn't parties.

Josh: No, mate.

Tommy: I mean, I don't want to have my party.

Josh: People want to drink, people want to take drugs, people want the interaction, you know. It, it does, it takes you away from your world when you are in these situations. Yeah, music, all of these things. Yeah, by the fire. Yeah. Okay, I think Mason also missed what he was— you were asking him.

Tommy: No, that's the question. Was it? What did you—

Josh: I thought you were saying, tell me about a radical honesty. Tell them— tell you. Yeah, that's what I thought it was about. You and me, what you think of us. Oh yeah, that's what you said.

Tommy: That's pretty much how you said what he said. That's what he said. No.

Mason: Yeah, well, I just linked it back to introversion and extroversion.

Tommy: Yeah, I think that was a good link. Yeah, yeah, well, I think it's fine.

Derek: Yeah, just shifting gears.

Tommy: I mean, it's also the other thing is this is a bit— if to me this episode feels like a second album scenario, like we peaked on Monday. It's very hard to, to come back from that. Yeah. But one thing that I want, if we were to— I think it'd be good to have more and more segments.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: In the show. So stuff that we know that we can rely on every certain— like every Wednesday we do this or that one segment. That I was thinking of was around, uh, how much is that?

Josh: How much is it?

Tommy: How much is it?

Josh: How much? How much is this mic up? Is that like you're just saying like, fine, that's just the game, you asked, you can't afford.

Tommy: Uh, no, but the— I got thinking about it because when we were travelling to Ballarat, we, uh, we've gone quite heavy on the McDonald's breakfast of late.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, maybe across a month there's been 4, but that was in 4 days in a row.

Josh: Yeah, look, it's not as bad.

Tommy: So we haven't had any this month. We haven't had any Maccas this month. No Maccas July 2nd, July.

Josh: We can cut it.

Tommy: Um, but, uh, when we're there, I was thinking, what do you reckon the cost is? How much do you think the playground costs? What do you reckon it costs to make the playground?

Josh: Uh, are you talking about the playground that we saw?

Tommy: Any playground at a McDonald's, what would the, the range do you think of a McDonald's playground?

Josh: Between $50,000 and $150,000 easily.

Mason: $35,000, something like that.

Josh: Easily.

Derek: Yeah, I would push it upwards of $150,000.

Josh: Depends on what Maccas you're at. If you're like—

Tommy: Yeah, I think like the top, probably the most you'd pay would be $200,000. Yeah, I think that like a sort of a lower tier, you could be getting into the ballpark or the ball pit for around $35,000. Is that something you can actually look up, Mr. 97?

Josh: Well, these companies would just be— I wonder, I mean, I wonder if they do have their own supplier. Yeah, of just— they just do McDonald's. There's a new McDonald's going in in St Kilda.

Tommy: What have you found, Mr. 97?

Mason: I think Rhino Play is the company that provides Maccas with their equipment playgrounds.

Josh: Yeah, they're great.

Tommy: Do they— do you have an amount there or no?

Mason: Um, give me one sec. If you can't find them, you have to get certification as well to be a Maccas. Well, you have to like—

Josh: you have to cheque safety and yeah, yeah, it's just like having a restaurant, you have to play within the health and safety.

Tommy: If they— if you can't find a price, Mr. 97, if you can go, um, to the stairwell and make a call and find out and bring it back to us.

Josh: Hey, look, mate, I've got a lot of money and my kid loves—

Tommy: We just need a quick amount. I need a quick amount. I'm putting it in. I think you just say—

Josh: I'm giving it to my accountant.

Tommy: I need a line item very quickly. What's the rough cost? I just need to put it in so it gets done. Yeah. Can you do that?

Josh: This is now him. Look at him getting worried. He's getting worried thinking about the phone call he's going to have to make. How do I dial a number in? I'm 19. I never use the phone.

Mason: I've got to rough, uh, rough cost. So 30— over 30 grand plus soft fall surfacing required.

Josh: Yeah, but for just— that's hard cost, and then you've got—

Tommy: no, that's basic equipment cost.

Mason: That's, that's, that's literally equipment and the floor, plus the flooring, and then you're doing install, and then you're gonna have to pay for install as well. So you're talking like, I reckon like 60—

Tommy: what? Depends if it's like 30 grand for the install. Yeah, you pay 30 grand for the product and 30 grand for the install.

Josh: Remember, they've got to prep the floor, they have to dig holes, they have to deliver it, or drive it. Yeah, there's so many moving parts. And especially if it's like the one Bodie and I went to where we didn't buy any maccas, but we just played in the playground.

Tommy: What about like a small thing? You know how you have the thing where you can flick like you can the squares that are sort of three-dimensional and you can move them around?

Josh: I hang out a lot of playgrounds. There's with Bodie and I, there's, there is some, some serious money spent on some playgrounds. But then there's like the one across the road from my house. Piece of shit.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Absolute piece of shit. It's been there for 15 years or something, but it's great. We get a lot of use out of it, but it's just not a new playground.

Tommy: Yeah. We actually, do you remember like wooden playgrounds used to be a big thing?

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: And they used to actually get like burnt down. I don't know if you guys ever saw that.

Josh: Yeah, I know a guy burnt one down across the road from my house.

Tommy: You knew the person?

Josh: Yep. He's no longer with us.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But he, he burned it down. And he was such a young kid. He was from the commission flats across the road. And so it played into their stereotype perfectly for the young. He just fucking lit it, like, lit it, burnt it, and full-on fire brigade came. We ran across and he was there crying. I mean, he's so young, he wouldn't have been charged. He was too young. Like, but there was another kid there and they'd lit some paper and it just sent it up. I think it was inside the tyre, the tyre swing. And so they put some paper, but this wooden thing went, went up. It was horrible.

Tommy: Threatening deal with you moving back to Canada in less than 2 months.

Derek: 56 days.

Josh: 56 days.

Derek: 56 days.

Tommy: Who's counting?

Josh: My parents.

Tommy: And he's actually doing an Insta countdown every single, every single day. I mean, what's the, what are you going to leave here with? What's, what's changed, changed for you?

Derek: Just like my— a lot of things, like more than I—

Josh: he's a fucking author—

Derek: more than I can get into in this episode. But like just a different perspective on how to approach my day. Like at home I would wake up, I'd have to eat breakfast, and then I'd be off to school or I'd be off to work. And here, while I still have to come to work, yeah, it's Every— like, everything's so new in a way. Like, each time I walk to work, I can— I go down a different route or I see something different. It's never— nothing's ever been the same.

Josh: So, I've always had the belief that there's a— there's an energy about being in another country, something that's not familiar to you, and it can give you some— I don't know if it's a false sense, but it's definitely a sense of confidence. I know that when I've traveled, when I, when Fitzie and I went to America and we did Suck on That Jewels Line, we were, you know, asking people for things, asking for free stuff, like just pushing the boundaries of what we would normally do. And the mentality was, it's not our country, we don't live here, these people don't know us, there's enough. So what's the worst that can happen?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And it was all fine, like it wasn't, we weren't doing bad shit, but I think things paid off because of that approach. And so I've always tried to think, how could you incorporate— because you'll get home, yeah, and you'll have to go back into your routine.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And, you know, you'll do your thing, but I think— and that's when the depression hits.

Tommy: Well, there isn't—

Josh: there isn't the fucking post-holiday blues, dude. Oh dude, it's going to hit you big time in the dick. Well, I think there's a real kick in the dick.

Tommy: Well, I think that for me it's when If I'm overseas, I go to Starbucks or whatever. I'm like, ah, like talking to people on the line or whatever. And then I just realise when I come home and I like catch myself doing it once in Melbourne, I'm like, oh, what am I doing? Like, it felt a bit weird. Like, oh, I fucking talk to people.

Josh: Yeah, you feel like you fit into your place here. Like you've got your little, your way of being. There is definitely, if we, if you could implement, like if there was one thing that you could do today that you would do if you were on holidays? And we talked about this last week. It's like, what's that life that you would love to live? Get up and take photos of the sunset. It's like, it's like, do that shit here.

Tommy: Like my diet. I'm like, I know what you got. Like, it's not fucking rocket science.

Josh: It's definitely not.

Tommy: And so it's definitely like something around there. I'm sure for—

Josh: for you.

Tommy: Yeah, just like just get like, if we order fish and chips, just get like the salmon.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I'm triggered. You need to start meal prepping.

Tommy: Yeah, I think meal prepping, meal prepping is a good—

Josh: I mean, there's a great place to start, but the reality of it is that last night at 8 PM I'm fucking sitting down cutting. I'm doing the cutting, Amy's doing some cooking stuff. It's a— I'm processing. It is a— yeah, it's a hard game. But I'm, I'm even like thinking One of the things that probably requires a little bit more confidence and maybe is just a once-off could be asking somebody something, making a phone call for something, or put, you know, teeing something up. Yeah, trying to think about go somewhere.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, Mr. 97, what do you fear? What are you worried about doing in, in a day? You've gotten off the bus early before because you didn't want to press the button. Is that Yeah, did you?

Mason: Yeah. What? No, it's—

Josh: yeah, no, tell us about it, mate. It's okay.

Mason: Well, no, it's, it's, it's, it's the worst thing on a bus when you're just like, you're like, if you— because that the old buses, they've cooked the placements of the button, and so when they jam the, the buses packed with like 90 people in them or whatever, um, is that how many people fit in a bus? I don't know, it's a lot of people though. This is like, you're meant to have 78 in there, but they just cram you in. So when you're like ages away and there's a lot of people, like, it's just, it gives me too much anxiety to go and ask someone to ask somebody because they got headphones in and you gotta ask like, yeah, yeah, 5 people away.

Josh: Well, you're thinking about putting someone out, you know, like you're thinking, I'm going to put this person out if I have to go, excuse me, excuse me, and they're gonna, what, what? And then you're gonna have to say, oh, can you please press the button for me?

Mason: What, can you tell the next person to press the button? Like, it's just Yeah, it's too much for the baby. It's full on.

Josh: No, I get it.

Mason: I get it.

Josh: So what, you got off the stop before?

Mason: Yeah, it's only like, it's only like a 2-minute walk.

Tommy: But that is nothing, isn't it? I think there's so many examples of that for me where I'm like, oh, it's actually just easier. Like, I'm happy, like, I'll inconvenience myself even.

Josh: So if you avoid the interaction— Workshop where this goes bad for you guys. I, and I like, trust me, I fucking experience this shit too.

Tommy: I'm like, uh, I'm trying to think.

Josh: Like, where— there has to be a—

Tommy: the hairdresser is a big one for me. It takes so much energy. I feel great every time I go to the hairdresser, like, once it's done.

Josh: But the idea of, like, it's just a recurring booking that you probably needed to show up at. But I think that kind of stuff, where does it end up, like, sabotaging your life?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Because how do you— I mean, you could see it as such a small trivial thing, trivial thing to fix. Yeah, like, okay, I'm going to push myself out there. Yeah, but people experience this shit, like, and it, and it gets worse and worse and worse and worse where you're just like, I'm not going to bother anybody. But then does that serve— does that, does it cater to a life that you want to live on your terms, or are you externally making decisions, you're making decisions based on what everyone else will think. Like, you're very kind. You think about other— what your action will do for somebody else. And that's what you've seen around the dating stuff. I know there's been feelings of like, you know, this will mean that I have to let this person down because he's such a fox, you know. And then she'll feel bad, or I don't want to, you know, they'll know that there's two gronks behind me with a bit of prompting.

Tommy: I mean, where does the, where does the relationship stuff end? Like, where does it like actually, like for you, obviously there's a level of shtick, which is the show.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And then there's the reality of like you've said before, I want to, you know, have a family.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Like, how does that, how do you get from where you are to like having a family? How does that happen?

Mason: I'm hoping time.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Mason: I don't know, I haven't worked it out yet.

Tommy: Which I think is probably— that's an answer.

Josh: I mean, it is an answer. I think it then comes down to if you— what's your actual, like, what is most important to you? Because if this shit is something he wants, but maybe he needs to go overseas, maybe when we go on an overseas trip, you have to let him loose for a week.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe in Dubai you like find someone at the World Expo or something. Something like that could happen. Yeah, like, how much do you actually think about it? Much or not really?

Mason: Um, yeah, I mean, I mean, a little bit here and there. When we have, when we have the conversations, I'll go back and I'll process it.

Josh: But, uh, are you a processor?

Mason: Yeah, I think so. It's when, when you don't have like headphones in or you're not listening to a podcast or something and I'm just walking home, then I'll start processing.

Tommy: That's why I'm always listening to podcasts, distract yourself.

Mason: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, outside of that, I don't usually process.

Tommy: Yeah, interesting. Okay, all right, well, that's good. It's The Daily Talk Show, uh, hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you do want to send us an email with the video like we're doing it.

Josh: Say what's up, Gronk Squad, and a little message, and we'll send you some stickers. Put your address in there, y'all.

Tommy: Yeah, the weekend banter starts, uh, on Saturday. Yeah, and we have Jemma Watts and Peter Sheppard. Queen Gronkh and King Gronkh.

Josh: Tall Gronkh.

Tommy: Tall Gronkh. That's happening Saturday, which we're excited about. But also over the weekend, if you have a look at the dailytalkshow.com website.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: You'll start seeing changes.

Josh: And if you're listening to this in like 2020, it's up. It's up. It's great. It's amazing. Look at all the sections, the guests.

Tommy: What do we think segment-wise of getting 3D Dill as well to give us little teasers of the book, maybe reading little excerpts, little passages?

Derek: Yeah, I can do that. I can figure that out for you.

Tommy: Yeah, I think that could be the other thing I think would be good is on thedailytalkshow.com having the— given, you know, you're interning at a big media company, how do you feel about giving away the first chapter? Oh yeah, on thedailytalkshow.com for sure.

Josh: What about like in an Insta story?

Tommy: And do you actually— do you need a forward? Forward?

Derek: Do you want to write one?

Tommy: Yeah, go for it.

Josh: Is that how forwards usually happen?

Derek: They're typically like an author will pitch it to like a good friend or someone that they find influential, say, would you mind writing a forward for this thing?

Josh: Or your friend just tells them. Yeah, exactly.

Derek: Josh, it was a formal request.

Josh: Yeah, within your personality, dude. It would be fun within your quirkiness to It's off us.

Derek: Just make sure you finish it before the book comes out.

Tommy: I'll do that. If you've listened this far, you're an absolute gronk.

Josh: And we love you.

Tommy: But we love you and appreciate you. Leave us a podcast review if you've got the time, just on Apple Podcasts. The other thing that's really handy, taking a screen grab, taking a photo. Like if you are someone who is listening to us on a boat, on a plane, any form of transport that is moving.

Josh: We had one of the snow— someone was at the snow and they sent us something. That's awesome.

Mason: Was it on a chairlift or something like that?

Josh: That's great. Yeah, I love that.

Tommy: Yeah, so any of that sort of stuff, put it on Instagram, tag The Daily Talk Show. It's appreciated. Uh, we'll see you tomorrow, which is, uh, Wednesday. Wednesday.

Josh: See you Wednesday. See ya.

Tommy: See you guys.