Tommy's Been Exploited

Tommy: Happy Friday everyone, happy Friday, Fat Fridays!

Josh: The Daily Talk Show episode 294.

Tommy: We're trying to perk ourselves back up because we were perked up before we consumed the food that we have today.

Josh: I'm about to have a meltdown unfortunately.

Tommy: You're going to sweat a lot through this episode.

Josh: It's a sugar-induced meltdown, um, but I feel like I've gotten better as I've I've gotten older at recognising that things like sugar, things start to happen, my eyes start twitching.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I did talk about a friend of mine who has a mate. I don't know this person personally, but they've only just realised that they get irritable and really annoyed, and everyone around them knows that they just haven't gone to take a pee. Yeah, the toilet one. So we've just smashed a whole heap of burgers and doughnuts and thick shakes from Baldwin Canteen. The video— if like, if you're listening to this, go to our YouTube channel, The Daily Talk Show, because at the start of it is the debauchery that went down.

Josh: A little montage.

Tommy: Well, it might not even look that much. Like, we were laughing today about how, um, if you laid out everything that was in these thick shakes, you wouldn't eat it. Yeah, you wouldn't.

Josh: You'd be like, there's way too much food here for one person. But you put it in a And you're using the, um, the orange juice sort of example.

Tommy: Oh yeah, how many— how— I think there's one bottle that you can get that's about 16 to 20 oranges.

Josh: It sounds like a bit of a marketing, marketing speak though, doesn't it? 16 oranges in every—

Tommy: well, yeah, I think, yeah, that it could be a bit of bullshit.

Josh: How old were you before you realised that Ribena isn't actually a fruit?

Tommy: I did I didn't even know what it was. I always just thought it was a sweet drink. I mean, it's not a—

Josh: I thought Ribena was the fruit.

Tommy: Okay, what is it?

Josh: What's 7? What is it?

Tommy: What's in Ribena?

Josh: What's it? Ribena is—

Tommy: Do you even know what that is, kid?

Mason: Blackcurrant. Blackcurrant.

Josh: Blackcurrant. Yeah, but it's not Ribena fruit. It's just— I've just branded it. Do you—

Tommy: I made a video which was not some of my greatest work because because it makes people look like idiots, which I'm against that kind of content now, but I did make it and I will own it.

Josh: I mean, we make ourselves look like idiots 5 days a week, so we don't need any more.

Tommy: I'm making up for it, bro. I was in the Napa Valley in California, just outside of San Francisco, and we were going and doing a winery tour. And so—

Josh: A free one. Mate, what a fucking rort this was. You had said that you were doing, you know, you're a broadcast—

Tommy: No, I said we've got an online TV show And, um, sorry, that was just, uh, your phone going off is a nightmare.

Josh: Keep her on silent.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm just hanging up. That was Amy, love you. Um, anyway, it's—

Josh: is it on?

Tommy: It's on.

Josh: Fuck, you were very funny about me touching—

Ryan: no, because I'm—

Tommy: because I got to make a call soon, and so I got to read a message, and I've got lots of things happening. I'm trying to tell my Napa Valley story.

Josh: First time that Tommy has been in charge of making a phone call and he's having a fucking meltdown. Just keep, keep your phone on silent, dude.

Tommy: I need to tell— I need to out myself as an asshole. So we told this guy that we had an online TV show, which essentially we were just videoing and making videos and putting them out. So it was online and it was of TV nature.

Josh: And you rocked up with like point-and-shoot little cameras, didn't you?

Tommy: Yeah, this lovely guy who took us around the Napa Valley, um, and he got us free accommodation. He took us to some lovely vineyards and wineries. And so this one, this one place, I was asking the American lady, so she's not Australian. Ribena is an Australian drink, I think. I think it's— it was very big throughout our childhood, and that's what I thought. And so I was asking this woman on camera, do you guys have Ribena? Like, pretending it's the wine. She said no. And I said, yeah, it's really dark, it's red, it's so— and then she was like so serious about it. They were asking people, oh, that's how it might be a different blend, we might not have it over here, which was— it was It did exactly what I wanted to do in the moment.

Josh: I remember I did something similar when I was 11 at Sovereign Hill.

Tommy: Oh yeah, what'd you do?

Josh: I was asking— I was 12 actually, and I was asking, um, the pharmacist if they had condoms. I've got the— I can put the video up.

Tommy: Oh, you've got video?

Josh: I've got video of it.

Tommy: Okay, so I was 20— I was 22.

Josh: I would have been 13, would have been 13 when I—

Tommy: You were on the prank. I mean, that's more acceptable, the pranking at that age.

Josh: I said, do you have extra small condoms? But it's sort of a little bit, sort of, I guess a 13-year-old, it's a little bit, um, I thought it was very funny. I had only just the year before discovered what condoms were.

Ryan: I love it.

Tommy: I love that it makes you look bad. That's it. That is the beauty of it because I don't think that's a troll on them. No, mine was not great, but you can watch the video. It's still on YouTube somewhere.

Josh: So can you explain to people why you're sort of semi-panicked with your phone out?

Tommy: I'm not semi-panicked.

Josh: Um, you're fully panicked.

Tommy: I'm fully, I'm fully panicked. So Ryan John, who's been a guest on a Fat Friday episode. He is our Western Australian correspondent. He works on the radio station over there, one of the, the big ones. He's a big deal. He's on billboards and shit. And he messaged me last night and he said to me, I think you're being exploited by someone and it needs to be brought to your attention. And I was like, I've almost taken a leaf out of your book where if I say to you, if I hook or I say something that's sort of like, I'll tell you soon, you, you have a breakdown.

Josh: Absolutely not. Just tell me now. Which I've It's not a fucking radio show, just, you know, yeah, well, teasing. Yeah, so we're gonna call him.

Tommy: Yeah, we're gonna call him. We're just gonna see what is going on.

Josh: So, uh, Ryan's in, uh, WA. Yeah, this is FaceTime audio, if you're wondering.

Tommy: Hello, Ry dog, what's going on? I never called you that in my life, but I did.

Josh: Just trying to be— he's trying to act cool because he's worried that shit's about to go down.

Tommy: How are you?

Ryan: I'm very well. Am I on, or is this all happening?

Tommy: Yeah, it's all happening.

Josh: It's absolutely happening.

Tommy: Welcome to the show.

Josh: No producers, no airlock. This is straight, straight through.

Tommy: No rules.

Ryan: Yeah, it's the way it should be. It's the way it should be. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm good.

Tommy: So I was just saying how, um, you can't do that to a bloke. You can't say someone's been exploiting you and not— and say, I'll tell you in a few weeks when I'm in Melbourne. Your dog, what's going on?

Ryan: All right, so there's a bit of backstory, I guess, um, but you guys were both involved in this, so Remember when Kyle and Jackie O had like a few misdemeanours back in the day?

Josh: Yes.

Ryan: And because of this, that everyone, including both of you, we had to do all that like compliance training and testing and stuff. But you guys don't have to do that when you're at SCA.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So the right calls, Australian radio, uh, a network over here, you've, you've got to sit through these, these boring tests and shit to basically make sure that you don't fuck around on air and, and get them sued heavily. Yeah. And so, yeah, I remember that.

Ryan: Yeah. And so this week is like compliance week. So the whole company is going through all this stuff because Carl and Jackie O did this thing and they've left the company and now we're stuck doing all the paperwork still 5 years later.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah. But one of the categories is about consent, right? Like, do listeners have consent being on air? By the way, considering you're calling people straight up when they're on, you might need to have a chat with Big Media Company about that.

Josh: Yeah, we'll speak to the board.

Tommy: Oh, we've got that week coming up. Yeah, it's an offsite.

Ryan: Yeah, one of the things is like ongoing consent, which means like if you film someone for something, you can't then just like use that footage for something else.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Um, for example, if, if you guys were number one on the podcast charts and there was a photo of you guys like popping champagne bottles and celebrating, yeah, that's cool. But then if Cardinal Pell is like released from prison and the headlines like Cardinal Pell's fans celebrate and they use the photo of you guys celebrating, like you can't do that. Oh yeah, sure. Right. So The face of consent for SCA in 2019, because I did the training this morning, is Tommy Jackett. Tommy Jackett!

Josh: The face of consent? I don't think he would have ever been described as that, but I think that is a brilliant testimony. Oh, you know, the worst thing is I got fucking wrapped up with Cardinal Pell in the same sentence.

Ryan: So there's this video and it's like, now here's what happens when it's consent, and the whole video is like clips of Tommy in the radio studio and Tommy doing his stuff on the street. And I thought to myself, the irony— did Tommy Jacket give consent to be the face of consent in 2019 for the 2019 training?

Josh: I feel like Tommy has done many things in his life for like Woolworths vouchers and stuff like that.

Tommy: Was this— like, what I will say is I was, I was in a contract. I was employed by them at the time that I was in Shepparton. Is there actual footage that you know of that is outside of my time working at that network?

Ryan: Um, I'm not sure about that. You'll have to check. But again, my concern is this ongoing consent. Like, can they just keep, keep using the same thing for a different purpose?

Josh: Are you uncomfortable, TJ, with being positioned as the consent guy? Yeah, I mean, it's better than the herpes guy. There's worse.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely. But no, I have not given my ongoing consent. I worked for them for little money, and I would like to be monetarily rewarded.

Josh: Can you do the speaking for him, Ryan? Because Tommy's— if he fumbles like this in the meeting, we're fucked. So what was the actual— what was the footage of? What was Tommy actually doing? And was it like voiceover or something?

Ryan: Uh, no, so it's Tommy in the studio. I guess you would describe it as like a lot of B-roll.

Tommy: Yes.

Ryan: So there's a voiceover guy being like Consent is very important, and so I'm hearing that as I'm seeing Tommy be a dickhead in the studio jumping around dancing. And there's a few videos on the street with you and Shepparton. There's like, I know, if you're Pizza Hut or something.

Josh: Yes, oh, the Pizza Hut stuff. Hang on, that was on your YouTube channel.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Did you ever put stuff on Shepparton's? Uh, I reckon you would have. You would have leveraged it. You would have done a Christian Hull. You'd have been doing the cross.

Tommy: Yes, still my content though. I think if I, if I shot something in my— I mean, Ryan, you're, you're the perpetrator of Creator, content perpetrator.

Josh: I don't like perpetrators.

Ryan: I don't want to be called perpetrator. We have already mentioned Cardinal Pell.

Tommy: Yeah, your middle name's Pell. No, I'm joking. But you make content outside of work hours and then use it in, uh, on the Facebook pages of these businesses. What is— what's the deal there? Like, are you giving them your permission to then ongoingly post or use that?

Ryan: Well, that's actually a different argument altogether because they don't share any of my stuff anymore because they said we're in it, we're an audio company, so that video stuff is not important.

Tommy: Oh, that makes total sense, you know, hashtag multimedia. They're, they're moving backwards from where we— when we were there.

Josh: Let's not defame them because Ryan's still probably in contract there. No, well, um, until tomorrow. Uh, so, uh, Ryan, do you know if you can That's what I was actually wondering. I think that when you're employed by a company, I'm sure a lot of the, the rules around it are like, if you create stuff within their space or using their tools, it's automatically their IP and stuff. You are an entrepreneur/entrepreneur, that sort of mix of doing stuff outside of work. Have you had to have that conversation where it's like, oh, I won't use the studio time, I won't use the gear because I don't want you guys to own this, or What's the deal?

Ryan: Not in a really serious manner, but it has sort of popped up a few times over the years because it is such a grey area. Because like you said, they're in writing. It says from, you know, January 1 last year to December 31 this year for your 2-year contract, we own every single thing you make. Now, they don't often like enforce it, but like if they had to, I guess they would if they had to sort of protect themselves. And I think that's a murky area. And that's a big reason why a lot of people are moving away from radio, because they're like, well, look, like, if you're a young YouTuber, you're like, look, I'd love to do a radio show, but I also want to make some videos. And like, that's a big reason why not a lot of young people are going to radio, because they're very controlling and protective, where it should be the other way around. They should be— they should want to celebrate as much as you can.

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. I nearly signed a contract, um, years and years ago, before— just after I left Shepparton. It was for like a talent manager, and it was of a similar nature where it's like I'm tied to them. So it'd be like any— if you somehow created some product outside, they'd want a bit of— they'd want a bit of cash, which is absolutely fucking ridiculous. It's moving away from that completely.

Josh: I guess part of it is there's been some success storeys in Australia where radio personalities have done really well, and the radio stations don't own any of the IP. So I guess it's like, what do you think— what business do you think, Ryan, are the radio stations in then if it's not owning the content that's got you in it? Do you think there's a distinction?

Ryan: Well, I think of it this way: if they don't want to make their radio stations full of champions, then they're going to have stations full of losers.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Ryan: Yeah, there's that whole argument of what if we train up and make our staff really successful and they leave? And I'm always like, what if you don't do those things and they stay? Yeah, yeah. And the reality is, is if I, you know, when I get fired from my job, they'll probably replace me with some guy who got famous on his own with social media. And so it's probably in my best interest to get fired, go do work elsewhere, and then come back in the side door.

Tommy: And they'll be using this podcast audio as consent.

Ryan: Yeah, well, the irony of the Insurance Compliance Week is that I've broken so much compliance in the last 8 minutes, it is unbelievable.

Josh: What is the, what's the plans on the podcast? Where are you at?

Ryan: Um, well, at the moment I'm just deciphering how much I can talk about, uh, the stuff we're talking about right here.

Josh: Yes.

Ryan: Um, uh, but with my podcast, it's actually muffin break this week, guys. I've applied for a job with Muffin Break. You guys talked about that?

Josh: No, we have seen that off air. I think I'd mentioned—

Tommy: I don't know if I spoke to you about it. Did you see that muffin thing, Ryan? I, I pressed to comment and I spent 5 minutes thinking about what I'd write But then I decided not to. So I was gonna comment on it.

Josh: Well, for people who don't know, the CEO of Muffin Break has come out and said millennials are lazy fucks and she hasn't had a knock on the door for someone wanting to work for free for 5 years. Yeah.

Tommy: It's quite layered and I came from thinking of a business owner. But then you can take it the opposite direction and look at a big corporation or a big franchise like this and a woman in this position of power. And your stance, Ryan, was one that you're like, we're not— they're not lazy. What, what did you say? Because you were quite hard on it.

Ryan: Well, yeah, they were really upset that we were unwilling to work for free, um, which— I mean, you talk about— they say we're entitled, and it's so strange because she feels she's entitled to free labor.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Um, so the one thing to keep in mind is if it is work experience, you need to be giving them an experience. And if you're smart, if you're an academic doing law, science, engineering, medicine, you know, you're not going to go to Muffin Break. And if you're not the academic type, if you're kind of someone who's prepared to get their hands dirty, more of a worker, then mining companies and construction companies are having apprentices and cadetships and they're paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars. So why would you go to Muffin Break?

Josh: It's got nothing to do with the people being lazy and everything to do with the reason no one's knocking on the door is because You're the fucking CEO of Muffin Break. Yeah, but unless I can find out the recipe, unless I know what's in those fucking muffins, unless they're going to give me that secret.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, the younger generation has never been more primed to earn $50+ an hour.

Josh: As in, like, that's their expectation?

Tommy: 100%. Like, the people I've spoken to have, within this industry, media industry, little to no experience and expect to be paid for it, which is outrageous. And I'm not expecting labour for free. But, but it is like there is a place to start. I think people have lost work ethic. There is a big problem with people not having jobs when they're young.

Josh: But I think there's a difference. To Ryan's point, it's the work experience bit. I think that the, the idea that you need— that the only way to get paid for your time is through financial, financial means is the bit that's a bit fucked up because Thing is, we've done this show for over a year. We've done it every single weekday and we haven't made anything from it. And we, we believe that this is something worth investing time in. What do you think the balance is there, Ryan, with the working for free with the idea that you are gaining a huge amount of experience?

Ryan: Yeah, well, I agree that there needs to be an exchange and that does not have to be money. So if the exchange is your time for your learning skills, then that's great. But I mean, we're not all going into the muffin business. And whilst I know our generation gets painted kind of bad, but like, you guys are the prime example. You don't earn much or anything from the podcast, but you're still doing it. Mr. 97, when he's not hooking up with everyone from Shameless, like, he's in there just rubbing shoulders with people. And like, to think that, you know, we're in this era where everyone's like, oh, go hustle, go work hard, and everyone is, but then be like, oh, those guys are lazy and don't do anything. I mean, it just doesn't— Well, how much stuff have we done for not getting paid?

Tommy: Mr. 97 is the prime example and he is here. He's listening to you, Ryan.

Mason: How you going, Ryan?

Ryan: Oh, how you doing, mate? I'm surprised you've got so much time left to be on the podcast these days. But it's a prime example and I don't know if this is why it's happened to you, Mr. 97, but I would say to anyone who's your age versus university or whatever, go and find someone who's your hero and just be their assistant for a year and you'll learn so much. And for someone to tell us that we don't— we're lazy, where people like you turn up every day just to get experience and rub shoulders with people you respect. I mean, it just doesn't make sense.

Tommy: Well, Mr. 97 ditched a marketing or business degree and he sent me an email and in the title was the word free. I mean, this perfect email for Muffin Break. He actually emailed Muffin Break as well. I just answered first because I'm desperate. But that was— what's your learning from thinking from that? Like, if you were to understand the investment, like your dad was even thinking, what are you doing?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, a lot of, a lot of people were really, uh, confused as to what I was doing. But I think— I don't think it's actually like—

Tommy: no one's more confused than him right now.

Mason: It's, it's not, it's not communicated enough that if you actually go and get the practical experience, it's going to be more worthwhile. And I think all, all of, all of the opportunities that I've had since, I don't like being around you guys and with the podcast and meeting people, all of that's like way more invaluable than spending money on a degree that's trying to, I don't know, like make me smarter in business. Whereas if I just like work here and, and start doing, uh, practical stuff and meeting up with people and developing an actual network of people—

Josh: every time you say meeting up with people, I just think of dating.

Mason: Yeah, no, I think, yeah, one thing that I've sort of figured out is it's all sort of like a people's game, and, and being in touch and knowing the right people, um, and learning from the right people is definitely the way to go.

Josh: Ryan, did you do any sort of free work at the beginning of your career?

Ryan: Well, yeah, I, um, I did. I used to work in accounting and finance, and so I did heaps of, um, like summer internships with big companies and and doing crappy jobs at a bank just so I had a bank on my resume and stuff like that. But I also used to be— and it's a bit different, but it's sort of the same— I used to be an athlete, right? And you never get paid when you're a teenager to go to training, but the reality is the more time you go to training, the better you get and the more likely you are to get money later.

Josh: What sport did you specialise in?

Ryan: I played volleyball. So, I played— I had— went to the US on a scholarship and then I played all over the world for a few years. It's hard to believe now because I'm 6-foot-tall and have a dad bod, but this is a true story.

Josh: This is great.

Ryan: Yeah, but when you think of experience, you go, well, do you want to hire a guy with a volleyball degree or do you want a guy who's played 300 games and is really experienced and knows what he's doing? Yeah. And it's sort of similar in like what Mr. 97— it's so weird having a serious conversation and calling you Mr. 97.

Josh: Yeah, serious convos, you can just say 97.

Ryan: Yeah, but experience and also in creative fields, portfolio is probably better than what's written on a resume. So anyway, that's what I've told Muffin Break and I have applied to work with them for free. I've offered to be their social media intern.

Josh: Yeah, this would be great.

Ryan: I said, you don't need to give me any money, but I just want to learn and get some guidance and support on how to be the best social media intern I can be. And that is yet to be responded to.

Josh: I wonder how many requests they've had for free work since the article.

Tommy: There's actually laws against taking free labor. There has to be some exchange of time.

Josh: We were talking to Eric yesterday who lives in Virginia, and I think their minimum wage is around $7.50 an hour there. And we are, I think, in Australia lucky that you can, you know, I think things are a little bit more sort of evened out in the country so that if you are actually adding to society that you can fucking afford to rent a place and to, you know, buy groceries and do all those things.

Tommy: And then you go over to New York and it's the same low wage but everything's exorbitant. As you are our WA correspondent, Ryan, WA is traditionally expensive, right?

Ryan: Like, correct.

Tommy: How much is like a coffee? What's like a latte difference between Melbourne and WA?

Ryan: Well, it has eased off, as has the mining boom in the last few years, but you can still— I mean, to get a coffee for under $5 is a pretty good find. Like, it's pretty rare to find a coffee for less than $5, or maybe like it's, you know, $4.50 or $4.60 if it's a good one. But I mean, you can still get a latte for 3-something in Melbourne, right? At the right place?

Tommy: Is there 7-Eleven still?

Ryan: Oh, 7-Eleven! Oh mate, 7-Eleven are off us since that video that we outed them. And then would you believe my radio show, we did this experiment that shows if you get a $2 coffee, it's only the same amount as a $1 coffee. The next day I get these ads that I have to read out promoting 7-Eleven coffee.

Josh: Really? I wonder— that is so funny. Yeah.

Tommy: And you'll be in the training video in the next coming years.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. How to be client-friendly. Yeah.

Ryan: Module 7: Don't bag out your clients and then expect to take their money literally the next day.

Josh: But you know what? There might be 7-Eleven, but I'd much prefer to go to get a beautiful bagel from Five and Dime. Wait, I can't fuck this credit up. Five and Dime Bagels. Have you been to Five and Dime Bagels, Ryan, when you've come to Melbourne?

Ryan: No, but I'm back in a few weeks, so I must. Is this a pay, no pay for say?

Josh: This is sort of a, this is a say for hopefully pay in bagel say.

Tommy: Maybe we'll have to go there with you, Ryan. You have to come on the show so you're like physically next to us.

Josh: What I wanted to clear up is, um, on Wednesday when we had Jason Fox in, I had described that the bacon, uh, the bagel was, uh, like a, uh, Chipotle, uh, maple bacon, bacon maple. I can't remember which way Um, to be clear, the— that's the cream cheese. Yes. Is the chipotle, uh, maple bacon, maple—

Tommy: yeah, just say either one of them.

Josh: Chipotle bacon maple, maple bacon.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a loop.

Josh: Maple bacon. Yeah, so it is the cream cheese. So then you would change up the bagel to be an everything bagel.

Tommy: Ryan, I was confused, as confused as this when I went in there.

Ryan: No, because I was gonna say, I have no idea what's going on right now, but it just sounds like a lot of words and words that I enjoy, but I don't understand.

Tommy: Yeah, I just I did go in there. You know how it's near Envato, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah, it's right.

Tommy: And so you sent me there to get some catering. Yeah, fun fact. I freaked out. I was like, I was just pointing at things and like, yes, yes. And then I brought back and it was like at the end of the day and I felt like I did a really bad job at picking what could have been an amazing bagel experience.

Josh: Ryan, have you ever said anything on air that's gotten you free shit?

Ryan: Uh, yeah, but it's usually, it's not like I've got the free shit and knuck it on air. Like I have talked about stuff and then the next day, you know, a company, oh, we heard what you said, here's a package. Like that happens a fair bit, which I don't know if that's legal because in theory you are getting rewarded for shouting out companies.

Tommy: Yes, pay for say. You can't be doing that shit.

Ryan: But, you know, but having said that, it's usually just like food and like if you mention a cafe and then the next day there's like a basket of muffins and it's like, oh, we heard you talk about us on the radio, enjoy some muffins.

Josh: Muffin breaks really missed the point, haven't they?

Ryan: Yeah, it wasn't my friend. But usually the free stuff that is, like I said, accidental or indirect is usually like you get sent little snacks and stuff. And then even TV shows. I don't know if you see this stuff on Instagram, but when I know Married at First Sight or Dancing with the Stars, like the big TV networks, they send you like a little—

Josh: Like cakes or whatever.

Ryan: Yeah, a little gift pack or something. And it's like, oh, enjoy Dancing with the Stars tonight. Here's some popcorn for the show.

Josh: I got so sick.

Ryan: And I'm like, well, I would never watch your awful show, but I will eat your popcorn.

Josh: Do you have access to the pre-releases of the shows? What do you get access to?

Ryan: Yeah, so we're sort of mates with Channel 9 and I do like a segment on Channel 9. You know, those kind of talking heads, sort of hot topic type things. And so we've got logins to Channel 9, so we're pretty far ahead in Married at First Sight. Having said that, we have been emailed being like, oh, we've had to re-edit tonight's episode. Oh, really? Yeah. So they're like, oh, If you're going to talk about it on the show, like, just make sure that we add the bit you were talking about.

Tommy: Yeah. Tracey didn't get punched by Kelvin.

Josh: Yeah. Full on, isn't it?

Tommy: I don't know. I actually haven't watched that.

Josh: That would be a huge exclusive for the Shameless girls. You should slide into their DMs and let them know of the—

Tommy: Here's the changes.

Josh: Yeah. You could be the secret.

Tommy: You could be like the XOXO.

Josh: Yeah. Gossip Girl for Shameless.

Ryan: Yeah. I've got too big an ego to be a secret person because I'll be like, I'm I know I'm anonymous, but make sure you listen to the Ryan John Report on iTunes.

Josh: It's secret, Ryan. Just to be clear, um, it is the, uh, bacon— mate, uh, I'm not gonna actually say it because it says bacon maple and bacon with chipotle— bacon with chipotle jam is how it's described on, uh, the Good Food website.

Tommy: So it wasn't maple.

Josh: Yeah, but Five and Dime, uh, bagels. Thank you, Ryan, and we'll have We'll have bagels together when you're in Melbourne in a couple weeks' time. I love it.

Ryan: Excellent, looking forward to it.

Josh: Well, we can have a desk set up for you as well if you do find that you are suddenly unemployed due to some sort of podcast guest appearance.

Tommy: But if you do, either way, can you please take some screenshots or take a little video of me being the face of consent?

Ryan: Well, I'll try to, but as you can probably remember, the only way for me to do that is to do the training again, and the training is so painful to experience. I don't know If I've got it in me to get through another one.

Josh: I feel like you would be the last per— like, if you would have been kicking and screaming doing it, were you one of the last people to do it? I remember getting notified saying, hey, this is the final warning, if you don't do it now, you can't go on the tools.

Tommy: The difference is Ryan's the talent and you were just the web guy.

Ryan: It's due tomorrow and I've, like I said, I'm going through it today, so I've left it to the last minute. But to be fair, I— the The boss looked across the office and was like, who's going to be a bit of a dick about this? Like, it's usually me because they're like, Ryan's just an asshole, so he's always the one that's a pain in the ass. I'll probably get that rap.

Tommy: Yeah, classic talent.

Josh: All right, uh, bro, have a good one, mate. Enjoy. What temperature is it in WA right now, just out of curiosity?

Ryan: Um, it is 36 degrees at the moment here. It's fucked.

Tommy: Yeah, it's hot as fuck. All right, have a good one, mate. Peace out.

Josh: See you soon.

Ryan: Thanks for having me on.

Josh: Bye.

Tommy: Oh my, I'm, I'm burning up with this.

Josh: The headphones are too much for you.

Tommy: That is so funny though, the face of consent. Um, before we finish, let's get to an email that we got. Uh, we mentioned this yesterday, the Squeegee Keyring Cult. We opened it up, we took in the Squeegee Cult, we, we took in the first 5. And what it is, we don't want to explain too much, but the first 5 get a keyring, and on that keyring is a small squeegee.

Josh: So to be clear, uh, we were speaking to Scooter Derek yesterday.

Tommy: Yes. And he said that what he imagined a squeegee to be, he'd actually associated the wrong thing in his mind, which is quite funny because if you actually know what was, what was done with the squeegee, he was thinking of a plunger, you know, like a good sound effect. Yeah. And you Pulling out. Anyway, where we got to this with— where we got to it was we found the first 5, we've got their mailing address, and we're— and we got an email from Dylan who is from Toronto.

Josh: He's— we're going to call him from now on 3D Dill.

Tommy: 3D Dill.

Josh: 3D Dill.

Tommy: And he's just sent us a new email because he offered ages ago to, uh, basically design this squeegee and have it in a programme that then allows us to get it 3D printed anywhere in the world.

Josh: Basically CAD sort of design.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And there was one job that we had which was we needed to mock it up and send it to him.

Tommy: We fucked it.

Josh: He's gotten impatient and said, you know what, I'm going to take matters into my own hands. I'm going to creative direct the whole fucking thing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And 3D deal.

Tommy: Well, he said, I'll design it for you, then I'll give you the file. Mate, he said in capitals, I bought a 3D printer. He said, so if you guys still wanted to pursue the squeegee idea, I'm your guy. Maybe there's a trip down to Australia to hand them off in person when they're done. Love it, love his fucking keenness.

Josh: I think good, uh, good price flights at the moment from Air Canada.

Tommy: Yeah, I did a few doodles based off, based off the initial inspiration I got, but I'm going to keep doing some work on them and try some test 3D prints for you guys. This is so cool. I will show you a few of these sketches that he sent through. Mr. 97 is going to put them up, uh, right now.

Josh: Describe him though for people.

Tommy: So this is, this is pick one. He has decided to do a few different custom ones. Um, this one is showing you that there's different name, like different, uh, letters on the little squeegee. So one is, yeah, JJ, one's TJ, one's Mr. 97, and the other one, which is This is the one we'll give away to our 5 and then open it up to the 20. Tdts, so the Daily Talk Show. I mean, right now these look fucking sick. They're— I actually love things in that sort of design stage of seeing them.

Josh: When I get a logo done or whatever, it feels more legit if they've gotten a visual diary out and they've used any sort of pens or pencils.

Tommy: Dylan, you are good with your hand.

Josh: Like 3D Dylan.

Tommy: Yeah, 3D Dylan. Um, so this one is just again another angle. You're seeing more of the actual squeegee itself. And then this last one, you're seeing it on the key ring. This is amazing. And so it's a nice solid hole to put the key ring through. Yeah, I mean, this is a life-size right now. It's amazing. These will be 3D printed. This is so good.

Josh: Thanks, 3D Deal from Canada. Yeah, Air Canada do have flights from Melbourne to Vancouver return.

Tommy: We are officially pumped, mate. We, um, really pumped to see these.

Josh: Yeah, it's gonna be great.

Tommy: Then we'll get them out. Well, I mean, you'll print yourself one. He can, he can print.

Josh: I would love if, I mean, 3D Dill, uh, I'd love for you to come to Melbourne to deliver them, obviously.

Tommy: Yeah, that would be sick.

Josh: Yeah, Air Canada, we can have some bagels together.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, maybe.

Josh: Yeah, Five and Dime, little—

Tommy: trying to get that back in for a sponsor.

Josh: Chipotle. Uh, Baldwin Canteen is where we went, uh, today in Melbourne.

Tommy: It's Yeah, full on.

Josh: Yeah, it's full. Yeah, if you want, um, I am sweating more than normal. Yeah, if you want to sort of be high on life and sugar and all those sorts of things, it's a naughty thing. You would definitely— we saw some kids in school uniforms going.

Tommy: Yeah, pimply-faced teenagers. Yeah, which is something I probably would have done more often than not, just like got into shit food.

Josh: You didn't even think about it back then, but now I definitely didn't think about it. Yeah, I know, it was because I was a bit of a chubby kid. It's a daily talk show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Uh, 90Sevs, just quickly before we go—

Tommy: yeah, we're going to the weekend, son.

Josh: Date update. What's, what's sort of happening?

Mason: Um, yeah, still in the process of planning the next one.

Tommy: That's nice.

Josh: Any, any sort of learnings or anything else that you can sort of bring up about everything?

Mason: Um, no, just—

Tommy: you were overwhelmed today, bro. Let's be honest, like, the amount of messages you've got, you're overwhelmed. Yeah. And I brought you down to earth with a storey that just highlighted some perspective, gave you some perspective in the day-to-day.

Josh: Anytime Tommy has the opportunity of flexing his previous—

Tommy: no, I'm just making it out that I just like to— there is you stressing about a few messages and I gave you a real life out, out in the wilderness example. Yeah, you're good though, mate. You're doing so well. I'm looking forward to Monday though, an update of how your weekend was.

Josh: Yeah, we do seriously, we love your emails and we, uh, try and get them in onto the show as regularly as possible. So hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you've ever thought about sending us an email. Seriously, the amount of people who are listening versus emailing, there's a huge— I'm not someone who writes emails to shows.

Tommy: Yeah, but we get a lot.

Josh: But I watched shows for years and never reached out.

Tommy: You'd create a video about them or something.

Josh: No, I wouldn't do— I actually, there was a, there was a guy who made a video when I was younger called Have You Seen Josh Janson? And he made a whole video about me when I was doing Melbourne Geek. That's cool. I tried to find it, he took it down off of me. You know, maybe I can ask.

Tommy: Well, if you don't want to email, make a video. Yeah, but then maybe email us.

Josh: Yeah, it would feature it. Uh, youtube.com/thedailytalkshow as well. We put up every single video as, um, the full episode on there.

Tommy: We'll have it on Monday.

Josh: I said we'll have a good one. We will. Yeah, yeah, we will.

Tommy: So will you. See you Monday.

Ryan: Bye.