What's Your Why?

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad. That's crazy.

Josh: We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 1014.

Tommy: Happy Monday, everybody.

Josh: TJ and I had a great weekend. We went and watched some jazz.

Tommy: Oh, Scooby-Doo.

Josh: It was, I mean, what I like about it was for MTV and Visit Vic, we've been doing this thing where we go to different events and we do Insta stories.

Tommy: Live music.

Josh: But good excuse. I don't know whether, I think it'd be a hard sell if I was like, TJ, do you want to come out with me on Saturday night and watch some jazz?

Tommy: For one, the hard sell would be you'd never sell that.

Josh: So, you would do it?

Tommy: If you ask me, yeah. But you wouldn't. You don't do that.

Josh: I think I could be the guy that does it. So, do you think that maybe post-show, post-business, you and I could be catching up Saturday nights to go to see a musical?

Tommy: I mean, it would be a bit weird because you're not into that.

Josh: I love musicals.

Tommy: Musicals. Yeah. Fuck yeah. But that was a—

Josh: So, you and I have a podcast. We went to August.

Tommy: I'd do that, dude.

Josh: Fuck yeah.

Tommy: I love, I love that.

Josh: Right.

Tommy: I mean, it ticks a few boxes. Saturday night, it's like nice and warm in these theatres. Yeah, but all the people there for you, there's a lot of boxes it doesn't tick for you, but it ticks like an adventurous Josh Janson.

Josh: But even like Movida beforehand, we had an espresso martini. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah.

Tommy: Living on the edge. Yeah.

Josh: No, it was. I think I was sitting there just being like, oh, this is— there's something a bit funny that you're having to do this with me, but I loved it.

Tommy: Yeah, because you don't do it like What you're describing is Jess's Saturday nights. Yeah. She's in the room, but she didn't do that on Saturday night.

Josh: But then she's—

Tommy: She went to Faulkner. Okay, cool. As in the suburb?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: What's in Faulkner?

Josh: Her friend lives there.

Tommy: Yeah, I guess you'd move out that far if you wanted a nice house. Yeah.

Josh: I believe GB was looking at Faulkner. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, everything's pushing out, you know. Anyway, that was real estate chat. Thanks for having us.

Josh: Well, no, I'd never heard about Faulkner until GB started talking about Faulkner a lot.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. But it's a real thing right now.

Tommy: It is great when you hear about a suburb in your own town and you hold quite highly that, you know, that you are well-travelled in your own municipality.

Josh: Well, you're very good at that. But there's guys that are even better. I found a YouTuber last night that they're called Geofreaks or something. Geo freaks. I don't know if that's the exact— It's geo something. And what they do—

Tommy: I like geo freaks because let me just guess what a geo freak is. They're obsessed with geography, but to the point where they speak longitude and latitude. Like, they are the guys like, where are you? And they won't say the suburb, they'll say longitude, latitude.

Josh: So, this is— How funny is this? So, this guy has people send in photos of them in different random locations. It doesn't have to have like a, a, um, anything, you know, like a, um, a big landmark or anything.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he has to work out exactly where they, where they are.

Tommy: Okay. And is he a rat that he's actually just pulling the metadata?

Josh: No. So he's looking at like, um, you know, the cobblestones or things like— And so, yeah, and there's another guy that he's— He does collabs with And there is a website you can go to where it will put up a random spot in London. I wonder if this exists for Melbourne too. I think it probably does. So, it uses Street View, random, shows you a random street and you have a map, you have to zoom in and show, click where it is and then go next.

Tommy: He's an internet sleuth, essentially.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, I wonder if this person's used this for good other than just fun?

Josh: Well, one of them is a taxi, taxi driver in London. So, you can imagine, you know, they're very, very good.

Tommy: The rules. No, there's a— there was, I remember hearing, to get past the test as a taxi driver. You even need to pay a fee to be an Uber driver in New York City. I remember hearing that. To— you have like a licence to be in Manhattan. I wonder if they did anything. I guess you're not— It's the modern day. An Uber driver in London just has a map. His phone is up.

Josh: Well, I think that there was probably more prestige. Or if you think about like cab licences and all of that sort of thing. I don't know if it's necessarily there.

Tommy: Over there, like as in the prestigious to be a cab driver.

Josh: Yes. Yeah.

Tommy: In the old London cabs. I mean, even there's a time went to 2012, the back end of— The back end of yellow cabs in New York City. I got in a couple. We went 20— What is it? No, 2020, 2019, did we?

Josh: Definitely didn't go 2020. We— You went 2018 to New York?

Tommy: Yes. And then 19— No, we didn't go.

Josh: We went to LA in 2019.

Tommy: But even when we were there, yellow cabs were very few and far between other than a Prius.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yellow Cabrias.

Josh: And we don't think it's— you don't think it's the same?

Tommy: Not like the old—

Josh: like the Lincoln. I don't know.

Tommy: So, like, a black hairline Lincoln.

Josh: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Tommy: They're like the classic New York City Yellow Cab. Gone. Oh, not as many. Yeah, that'd be tough.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, there was a huge amount. I think they're still around, obviously. Yeah. Um, but there was— I just remember taking a photo, it must have been the same year, 2012, and it's just traffic lights and that's all that there is. I think there is a bit of— I think that we, you just become a little bit blind to it when you're not needing them.

Tommy: I was looking around and I noticed that it's just not what it was. And maybe they're gimmicks now. Maybe there's a few that keep— The point being, the cars are very old. To have very old cars on the road is a bit of a pain in the bum, the bum bum. In Singapore, they don't have— No, no bad cars.

Josh: No bad cars.

Tommy: Yeah, that's their rule. No bad cars.

Josh: So, the opposite of Cuba.

Tommy: No old cars is essentially it. Like, once it gets to a point, they cut them off. And the licences for cabs there is crazy.

Josh: I remember you telling me. Yes.

Tommy: Chatting to a cab driver. They've just gone into lockdown again.

Josh: Yeah, I saw.

Tommy: 4 weeks, dude. I mean, that sucks.

Josh: It is annoying.

Tommy: They didn't have it. They didn't get, you know, put through the wringer. The first time round.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But it seems like it sucks.

Josh: One of the Gronks Instagrammed us and said, guys, thank you so much for the, you know, past few years. I've been listening for a long time. Enjoy the last couple of weeks.

Tommy: That's nice.

Josh: Enjoy it.

Tommy: That's nice.

Josh: And so I think that that's a good—

Tommy: Enjoy it, Jess.

Josh: —reminder. Yeah. Just take it all in. We got— we've received heaps of lovely messages. Yeah. Hi@thedailytalkshow.comc.

Tommy: It worked.

Josh: Yeah. Rach, thank you. We got one from Charlotte, which was lovely. There's heaps. Yeah. We'll go, we'll actually have, maybe let's do that tomorrow. We'll read out a couple, like let's cover a couple. But we did have a couple of questions. So Josh and Jordan both had the question.

Tommy: Yeah. And I think that Jordan is actually Josh. As in Josh who we know. Jordan's created a new email address called Josh. Josh, Josh. No, no, Josh. I'm joking, I'm joking. Jordan. Yeah. So Jordan said, oh no, he's— the two emails. He wants to know the—

Josh: He wants the spreadsheet.

Tommy: He wants the spreadsheet of all the hours. I think Jordan sent—

Josh: I think the first one was a YouTube comment.

Tommy: That's right. That's right.

Josh: But the— But Josh is a great wedding celebrant. He used to do a bunch of radio stuff. Yeah. Anyway.

Tommy: Would you let him marry you? Is he that good? Yeah. And you're not even thinking about getting married.

Josh: The annoying bit is he would have better hair because he has a real sharp, sharp haircut.

Tommy: Not hard, dude.

Josh: Real sharp haircut. Real sharp haircut.

Tommy: Do you know, sorry, just before we get to Josh Withers' question, yeah, I am getting targeted for hair replacement therapy. It's even like, um, it's not, not hair, it's not the pills, it's the implants.

Josh: Yeah, sure. Do you know why?

Tommy: Because I like watching the recovery story. So you have the guy and he's like, here I, you know, here I am, and He's, you know, balding, and then they're taking it from his asshole and putting it into his forehead. You know, they take it from the back of your head. Yes. And then they implant them hair by hair. And it's crazy that your hair, if it's good at the back, will fucking grow up top. Yeah, it's crazy. This is— it gives me as much joy as when I was a kid and they used to give you the seeds of grass and you put it into wet tissue. Yeah, and it'll grow on your bedside table. I was so happy when I watched that shit growing. I love watching the storeys of dudes who have got their hair put up front and now they're just fucking happy about it. That's nice. Real great case studies. Anyway, I'm getting— I'm not the guy that needs it, but I love the case studies, so I'm getting targeted.

Josh: Oh, that's nice. Better— it seems better doing it that way than taking some sort of medication that's going to, um, change your hormones or something. Wouldn't want that. Yeah, it doesn't want it.

Tommy: Yeah, but it were— it seems like it works. Long, long ride though. Mm-hmm.

Josh: Fuck, man. Um, sorry, a question.

Tommy: Yeah, so Josh has said, hey guys, something you haven't covered yet in regards to stopping the show— why is why? That's the question. Yeah, what we haven't covered is why, which we may have covered You may have been doing your hair while you— while we said it.

Josh: No, I think, well, the multiple people, it gets blended.

Tommy: I think we did a few episodes where we sort of talked about it, and the first episode we talked about the daily talk show stopping. We didn't mention the big media company stopping. We did another episode, we talked about big media companies stopping, which what is very highly attached to the daily talk show. So if you just listen to one and then got caught a bit, you know, it might it might not be clear.

Josh: But also think about like, I think there is a tendency to want to simplify things. So, imagine someone gets a divorce and you're like, why? C-U-N-T. No, but so, things could be complicated. It could be like, oh, you know, I love my partner, but there's this thing or that. Like, it can be— Yeah. It's not simple, right?

Tommy: Someone wants to— So, it's C-U-N-T and I hate them. Oh, yeah.

Josh: I just fell out of love. Or like maybe, like, maybe it wasn't that. Maybe there was all this other thing. But no, so I think that that's why I think that we don't want to try and give some sort of pithy answer. Pithy? Pithy. I think that is it. Like a pithy answer, like a small, concise answer when it's not as simple as that. Yeah. For me, I think it's just a feeling of burnout that I have. I think that just from a mental health perspective, feeling pretty run down, uh, I definitely felt the responsibility of the business, the podcast, all of that sort of thing. And so for me, uh, I think I also love change too. And so put that in with not feeling like, you know, I think we've, um, done some great things. I think I had to make the decision for me personally that it's like you know, to stop.

Tommy: Is that a, is that a fair— That's a pithy answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It does it because it—

Josh: Because then you say, okay, well, what do you got to do? Something?

Tommy: No, because I think optically it might look like it's working because— And, and the thing you learn about stopping something while there is traction or it is learn, uh, working is that it can then be like, well, why would you stop? Yeah. And so because there's internal metrics, external metrics, and so if the internal metric isn't one of success but the external one is working in one area, it's not making a shitload of money, but there's people listening, people that care, then it's like, that's the confusement. And we— and do we only ever stop things when we've fucking had both fall to pieces internally and externally? And so I think it's probably more likely that people stop things when both are fucked. They feel shit about it and externally it's not working and they're like, I'm throwing the towel in.

Josh: But I think that we, um, we, we did a bunch of it. Like, you need to work out when the right time is to quit. Um, but I think part of it too for you and I was realising that there were common themes that would constantly come up in regards to like, um, a lack of focus too with us doing BMC and the daily talk show. When we started, we wanted the daily talk show to be the thing. By doing all of the client work, um, which, you know, was rewarding in its own way, yeah, I definitely always felt a lack of focus. Like, I felt like we sort of had the— like, we were sort of running multiple businesses at once. And so I think a fair consideration or a fair argument someone would make would be like, well, why don't you just stop this thing and start the other thing? But I think that, um, my perspective is, uh, nothing is permanent. Like, so there's obviously permanent things to what you, um, when you do things, but there's also like when you build stuff on relationships, when you have relationships, uh, those things don't just go away. And so you and I will, you know, potentially work together. Jess will, you know, potentially work with it. Like, this— George— there's all— there's opportunities for us to still do things and, and test things out. But yeah, for me personally, I was like looking ahead at the next few years, and then I thought, okay, what's the likelihood that it's going to be less stressful than what it is now? And I made the call that unless there was huge, huge wins that were completely out of control, out of, out of control, it would be a lot harder. And then I think, I think that from a, um, from my perspective, I, I wasn't up for it.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like, um, the, the thing that will be consistent is a bunch of pain in, in growth in all the areas. Yeah, at different times. 'Are you up for that?' You know, 'Are we up for that?' And so, um, because you can do it a different way. Not to say there's no pain in it, like, do this other thing, won't be any pain. The other thing I was thinking is you never actually arrive. Whatever you think, so the goal— you can fucking arrive in Paris. It's probably not a good analogy because you can't travel, you know. I think that's a good— if you— yeah, you can't actually travel. Travel bubble. We're closed until fucking next year or something. But the point is, if you think this is the end, it is of one thing. But if life is the fucking, the mission. Yeah. You're like, that's all everybody has, is there? It's the infinite game thing, right?

Josh: Like, it doesn't feel like— Pete Shepherd sent me a great blog post by Seth Godin.

Tommy: I was going to say, hoping it was his blog post. A great blog post by him.

Josh: No. And it's like— Do you think Seth sends his blogs to anyone? Definitely.

Tommy: He's like, Hey, here's some inspo.

Josh: No, but he has a great post where it's called something like 32 Years of Projects, and I think he might update it regularly, but he, he puts every project that he's worked on over the past 30-odd years. What does a project look like? So it could be writing a book, it could be starting a software company.

Tommy: And so that resonated with me, which is like how, how, how you know, specific does he get with his projects? Yeah.

Josh: Like, what do you mean? Like, yeah, like he'll say, he'll say what the book is or—

Tommy: Oh, I know. But like, is there a lot or is there a little? It's probably like—

Josh: It feels like probably there's one a year. No, it's probably like one a year.

Tommy: Okay. So, it's— So, they're work-related.

Josh: They're career sort of stuff. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. And but I think that that's where things— I definitely love the project type of thing. But also, like, yeah, the thing is that, um, the daily talk show, whilst it's finishing up, whilst BMC is finishing up, all of these things, like, it doesn't mean— it's not like, um, you close the door and all of the learning and the impact and everything stays there. That goes with everyone else. And so the exciting thing is that, um, you know, our next pro— like, whatever we decide to do as individuals, whatever George decides to do, whatever Jess, whatever Mason and like everyone that's been a part of the journey has come out of it better than when they started. Yeah. And so from a why perspective, it's, it's like super personal, I think, which is, I think when you're in a partnership it's hard because you are trying to— so I can't give, I can't give an answer for, for you because it's so different. And so I think that that's part of the difficulty where we're trying to work it out. It's like, okay, like everyone go— like many people, like, so one observation is, uh, highly successful people that I know that have reached out to us, it's congratulations, let me know if you need anything. It's very simple like that. There's, there's another, another group which is like, I think they're still in they're still trying to find the thing, which is completely relevant and like is a, is a, is a thought process, which is like, what are you doing next? What— like, it gets very practical. What happens with this? What happens with that? What happens? And, um, and I, I just think, I just find it interesting how, uh, different perspectives people have when they're in different parts of their careers. Yeah, definitely. Um, especially I think people who are in the midst of building something would definitely— they're in the problem-solving mode, which is natural. I think that that's potentially an area that you and I have been in for the last 3 years. It's every, um, quitting isn't necessarily an option. And so it's like, okay, well, how do you solve this? How do you solve that? Um, whereas I think, um there's a version which is stripping it all down, removing the noise. You know how you— I mentioned the destruct— creativity is destruction or whatever. Picasso said that, by the way. Yeah, I like— I Googled it. I'm like, I definitely didn't make this up. It's definitely a thought that's been out there for a while. Um, so yeah, Picasso ever do some nice stuff.

Tommy: Was Picasso the sicko as well? Don't know, behind the scenes. No, one of them, one of them was a real sicko.

Josh: Yeah, any other time, different time, different time. Any other thoughts on why?

Tommy: Um, no, no, I think that, I think there's like, yeah, you touched on it all.

Josh: Like partnership, the other thing too on partnerships I think specifically is they're definitely a different beast. So it's like there is a consideration with like big decisions and all of that type of thing. Run differently when you're in a partnership, and sometimes that works well. So I think that the reason we had a lot of our success was because of the partnership. But then there's the difficult decisions are harder as well within partnerships. Um, yeah, it's, uh, this is my first partnership.

Tommy: I think the, um, my last partnership. Yeah, I think that there's— last ship.

Josh: I now do speedboats, um, solo operated, the jet ski. You're a jet ski Um, yeah, turbo chat. Yeah, no, but I think that the thing is, um, I personally feel like I've— I'm always thinking about you as well. Like, if that might— like, whenever a decision's made, it's not this thing of like, I'm doing whatever's best for me or whatever. Um, and whilst everyone— in the end, you've got to do what's best for you personally, there's always a consideration as well. And so I think that that's an interesting element to something like this where it's like, um, I mentioned it last week, it's like thinking through everyone's plan and knowing that even for like what you and I have spoken about in regards to, you know, not necessarily work-life balance, but being there as a parent and all that sort of thing, I think that there's a, a clearer version of that in the future version where you're going now. Versus having 25 staff and being— or, or having 8 staff and being on the tools and stressing about cash flow.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, the, the reality is, um, you— we— how many times have we workshopped other ideas of what the future will look like? And when you then both can't get to an understanding of what another version of the future could look like That's where— that's exactly what happened. Yeah. And it's like, we— you talk through what it looks like to stop, and then you're like, not necessarily answer the question, but it's the only one that makes sense. Yeah. Which— that's exactly what happened.

Josh: I think the other thing too is my default is, is doing stuff that doesn't necessarily connect that well to financial outcomes, but they— I think they are outcomes that lead to for me anyway, a richer life and creative and fulfilment and all that sort of thing. And the hard thing is that when you are— when you have a beast that's a business, I think that just naturally you get— you can paint yourself into a corner where you can only make decisions that are financial. So for instance, like, the daily talk show was sort of our love project, or the thing that we were comfortable not making money on. But as the guy who always says, I want to do documentary and all that sort of thing, in the current capacity, I couldn't take— I can't take on another risk. I couldn't say to us, oh, you know what, like, let's— and I tried, like, I, I think that I sort of tested the waters a bunch on that, which is like, oh, let's try and do an original doco stuff, you know, stuff and, and, and sell it. But it's like you then, when you look at the business, and this is where we had the struggle in the early days, is it's all weighted on dream future. Like, you know, it's, it's not connected to a financial outcome. And whilst as an individual I could actually do a few years of a project where it's like I'm making minimum wage doing freelance stuff to give me the capacity to have a really big swing at an original piece, which isn't this.

Tommy: And so that's the thing, but the also For anyone who thinks that there is like the Doco thing for you, it's like there is a lot of benefit that comes from landing somewhere else because just the way you think it needs to be doesn't actually end up always being the way that you'll get there. Yeah. And so, for example, you do this, learn from, you know, you learn whatever you're doing, you're learning. So if you— if someone says, oh, you shouldn't do a partnership because they got burnt or it ended bad, you know, whatever, it's like, fucking do the partnership. Just do it. Yeah. Because whatever happens, you lose money, you're in debt, like whatever that version is, is the version you need to go through. Yeah.

Josh: It's trying to work out why, like in general, like why are you doing something? Um, and I think that the, the feeling that I've had is that we've been in a fight or flight, um, position where it's, um, it's exhilarating because it's, uh, we're constantly problem solving and trying to make things work. And when things are working and things are happening, like, it can be very exciting, but there's also, um there's also an element of it, uh, not comparing us to Elon Musk, but imagine what fucking— imagine, like, you just fucking— you can go down the route of getting a bit fucking puffy, a bit sick, a bit, you know, because it's like, it's just this. And, and the thing is that for me, it only takes like a few days of not like sleeping right for me to feel fucked.

Tommy: Um, and you don't wake up a billionaire. Yeah, which is a bit annoying. Yeah, because if you could just, you know, wake up a billionaire. Yeah. And then quit and then spend your money on something. But it's not—

Josh: I think the other thing too is it's not about like, it's definitely not the starving artist thing. For me, it's actually closer to— I mentioned the minimum wage thing. It's actually more, um, a process of minimalism plus putting your, um, uh, putting your efforts into things that you believe in. And I think that that's what we did. I think we did that for 3 years and we got to this episode 1000 milestone.

Tommy: There's plenty of people who have a job, have a creative project on the side, and are happy with that. Whereas that's, that's, that's the tricky bit is when you look at someone else and think, oh, they've got this, they've got that, and I want to be, you know, it's in the same space as mine. Like, that's all it is. That's all. That's all that where that pain comes from.

Josh: But it's even, I think, that the, um, my view on, say, becoming a YouTuber, which I remember 3 years ago that was for us one of the considerations on maybe becoming a YouTuber. I think that what we've learned through this is a lot in regards to what, like, the expectations are very well set around what that actually is, what the pain is. Look at, you know, gronks like Cam Shand, who has just been consistent. And, you know, he's able to— he's got an IT job, he's able to sort of find that balance. And I think that that works, um, really well for a lot of people. Um, and so I think that the—

Tommy: oh, you know, but they say if you bloody find what you love and you do it every day, you won't work another day in your life. That piece of advice is like— who? And then who? Jerry Seinfeld says Yeah, but then you'll never have another day off in your life. Yeah. And so, and so, yeah, there is a version of you got another job, you've got a job, you make a bit of money, but then you get to do your thing that you love. And then it might turn into it. That's the thing. It might turn into— it's weird because when it is your job, you know what that feels like. Take any job you've ever had. And what's a hard time in it. Not that every moment will be hard. You'll probably have a lot more enjoyment doing the thing that you're passionate about every day for your job, but that doesn't remove stress, anxiety, pressure. It doesn't remove any of the human experience that is had in most things in life.

Josh: There's also something, I think, that when you're on the, um, in the marathon and you're like, you're non-stop there's a point where cognitively— I haven't run a marathon, but this is sort of—

Tommy: didn't you do one in a fucking rickshaw or something?

Josh: Doing a marathon? Yeah, well, he couldn't have done that without you. Yeah, thank you. No, he wouldn't have. So you ran a marathon? Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, there was a point where he was doing it and we had a little pub lunch in London. Yeah, it was beautiful. Little green peas and mashed peas. Floating pie. I love that. Do you like mashed peas, by the way? Mashed peas. Mashed peas with a bit of mint. Not really. I can imagine Jess like it. Jess, do you like mashed peas with— You don't? No. Oh my goodness. No, they're not my type. Look at the shit that she eats for— She has turkey mince.

Tommy: Turkey boy. Little turkey number. No, but that's lean. She's getting the macros out of it that she needs. Protein, fibre, some, you know, fibrous carbohydrate.

Josh: But anyway, the thing is that like when you're on the run, when you're doing all of that sort of thing, it's— I think that you can lose perspective on, on something. So it's like you're, um, you're just thinking about, okay, one step ahead or whatever it is. And, and I think that what we're almost doing is it's, it's saying, okay, you could be planning where the run is next, or like, okay, which direction you're going to go into. But I think the question that I want to ask is it's like Is running the best way to get there? Is there another? Could I jump on a bike?

Tommy: And, um, and when you take any metaphor about success that you've heard, you know, uh, um, Olympic, you know, marathon runners aren't not in pain.

Josh: It's where you put it.

Tommy: It's where you put it.

Josh: And that's what Seth says.

Tommy: Yeah. And so everything has pain. Do you want to got pushed through that pain? If the answer is no, that's okay too. I'm not up for pushing through the pain of, of this endeavor, which is also cool.

Josh: Yeah, because it doesn't take it. I think that the thing is that it doesn't, um, the beauty of, I think, where we are as individuals, um, is that we're proud of— like, this isn't like trying to create some sort of storey or whatever, but like, I'm proud, like, I'm proud of what we've done. I don't feel the, um, Yeah, I don't feel that energy of disappointment. I'm, um, because I know that it's like that whole mask thing, you know, fucking put on your mask before you help people or whatever. It's, this is what we're trying to do, and then we'll be able to come back and do something cooler, or not, or just completely like be off the grid, live on Stanley. You should at least go there.

Tommy: Have you ever been there? Yeah, it's beautiful. I watched The Mask on the weekend. Remember that film? No. Jess? The Mask?

Josh: Somebody stop me. Is that Jim Carrey?

Tommy: Yeah, it's— I mean, there's so many classic characters.

Josh: Jim Carrey's got a few struggles. You mean good kid?

Tommy: Yeah, as long as I'm around, you're always gonna be second best.

Josh: When I think of The Mask, I think purple and green suit.

Tommy: Is it purple and green? The face is green. Yes, he wears all these colourful suits, yellow suits. He's so good, Jim Carrey. So good. It's not everyone's cup of tea.

Josh: Yeah, Shahs of Sunset starts back tonight.

Tommy: An also horrible TV show.

Josh: It looks like it's fucking 40 years old. Well, not the new season.

Tommy: No, I actually just looked at the season, it looked tacky. It's rude.

Josh: Um, but also, The Hills: New Beginnings season 2 is back as well. That's real people.

Tommy: That's the real Hills people, like Spencer and—

Josh: Yeah, but the Shahs of Sunset are real people too.

Tommy: No, but as in that it's not some reboot.

Josh: No, no. It's like—

Tommy: The Hills is a fucking show that we watch when we're teenagers.

Josh: But Shards have had 10 seasons or 9 seasons. Yeah. Shards of Sunset have been around for a long time. But the— Yeah, the new beginnings are interesting because it's just the first episode is them coming back.

Tommy: Who, The Hills?

Josh: This is The Hills.

Tommy: Yeah. I follow Spencer Pratt. Yeah. Poor guy. Crystal boy. Yeah. He's charging. He's got something up his ass and it's probably a JPEG.

Josh: I could really relate to him though, because he rocks up up and he's wearing like, he's got his like real nice clothes on that he wears, but it's a bit tacky. And then he's got this like hemp wear. Yeah, it's, it's like a, um, like a rug over him. Oh yeah. I said, uh, I said to Bray, I'm like, I think he's doing that because he's put on a little bit of weight. And sure enough, he's like, um, they, they had a ceremony where it's like you put in, um, something into the ground so you can like let it free. They use some of the, um, smoky stuff. You know, what's the smoky stuff like, um, that you do around your house? Not thyme.

Tommy: Um, something, uh, burning the midnight oil. No, no, no, no, no. What is it called, Jesse, when you light that stick of sage?

Josh: Sage. Sage. Got it. Um, yeah, they'll do this sort of a sage thing. Yeah. And, um, everyone was going around and Spencer put in a, um, a pie. What kind of pie is it? Pot pie or something? There's some sort of pot pie, but he's He said like it was 240 or something pounds he wanted to get down to what he was, which is 170, which, which— He's put on 30 kgs. Yeah, yeah. Like, but he, but it was, it was interesting seeing everyone getting back. Audrina sort of, she just completely isolated during COVID like didn't see anyone. She was sort of feeling a bit down.

Tommy: They got a bunch of money, these people, from the years. Spencer is one guy that will get back to you on Instagram if you message him. Oh, really? Yeah. My mate talks to him. Of course, Fitzy. Just fucking Fitzy's obsessed with that whole thing. That's funny. And writes them. There's someone else in the Hills.

Josh: Rod Stewart's son Sean is on the series. Is he? Yeah. Also Pamela Anderson's, Anderson's, uh, son. Really? Yeah, it's a, it's a good cast if you, if you just want to disconnect.

Tommy: Were they a part of it? Uh, no.

Josh: So they came with the New Beginning stuff. Some people came into it. You know, the chick that was, um, the actor on, um, The O.C.?

Tommy: What's her name? Mischa Barton. Mischa Barton. Yeah.

Josh: So she, she was in New Beginnings, so she came on The Hills, which is a little sort of weird, right?

Tommy: Like, it's a— well, because The O.C. was a television, like, actor.

Josh: Yeah, but The Hills was like based on— yeah, Laguna was the reality version. Um, yeah. What's she like? And she was really nice, but Spencer's sister is pretty fucking out there. In what way? Stephanie Pratt. Just a real nasty piece of work, I think. But I haven't seen Whitney. She's not in this new season yet. And that, which is the— she's the one with Timmy, her husband with the kid's name. And they do the reaction videos.

Tommy: You'd need a bunch of cash to come back, or you've got to be desperate for it. Yeah. Hopefully they made a bunch of cash.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think that that's what happened. I think that sort of what I got from Pam Anderson's son was that life was like he was kicking goals because he'd just done The Hills. Okay. Like he just did the first new beginning season and then they went into lockdown and then all, all of his, you know, DJing work or whatever he does dried up. Anyway, what a time to be alive, huh? Hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Tommy: Any more questions? We'll, uh, keep them coming because we'll answer them. Yeah. And if we haven't answered why, I haven't got much.

Josh: Jess, have we answered why? Yeah, she's, um, she hasn't got the mic on, but she's—

Tommy: she— I can't hear her because she's—

Josh: she hasn't got the mic on.

Tommy: Okay, she doesn't want to talk. Why?

Josh: She hasn't answered that. Thumbs up, she's done. She's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, have a good one, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. See you guys.