Josh Is Off Joe Rogan

Josh: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad. That's crazy!

Tommy: We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Josh: Hi guys! Hi guys!

Tommy: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Josh: It is outrageous!

Tommy: Come on, let's go. It is The Daily Talk Show episode 1009.

Josh: Happy Friday, everybody. What's happening? What's going on?

Tommy: It's, uh, yeah, Fat Fridays. We had a beautiful lunch thanks to Jess.

Josh: Yeah, and so we've already eaten it, but I'd like to share it with you. I'm not going to burp because you can get a sense of what we had if I burped, but that's disgusting. Um, Jess is editing the episodes at the moment, so right now, insert Jess, the photo George took of your beautiful food you cooked.

Tommy: That's next level Premiere Pro action.

Josh: If you're on YouTube, Fuckin' give Jess the applause, hit the like button.

Tommy: That's Jess dropping in with the Ken Burns effect. I want blurred background keyframing.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it might just be a still image, just smack bang in the middle, but it was beautiful. Jess cooked us kebabs.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Or gyros.

Tommy: Yeah, she, um, there's a few ways of saying it.

Josh: It was very nice, mate. It was so good.

Tommy: But I am—

Josh: she did warn us.

Tommy: Bit burpy.

Josh: Well, she said it would come from the other side.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll all be farting is what she said.

Josh: That's what she did say.

Tommy: It's good seeing her, like, Jess has like really lent into the editing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which got me thinking things that we've learnt recently. I want to try and do more things for the first time.

Josh: Okay. Do more things for the first time.

Tommy: So, think about like, so, that the feeling of editing, like I've never been in After Effects.

Josh: Guy. Yeah.

Tommy: We're working on some projects at the moment that are After Effects heavy. So we have contractors working on it.

Josh: JB's working on it. You've definitely downloaded it.

Tommy: I've done it. Yeah.

Josh: But it's more, Jess is not, her craft isn't editing. And so this is like you. Yeah. What is it?

Tommy: What are we doing? Getting into like fixing our lock.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

Tommy: Like a locksmith sort of job. I wonder if people are seeing, we have the light from the TV. I wonder if they'll see that because we've got our Fetch TV. We've got all the channels in the office.

Josh: It's quite fancy. I mean, we were talking about TVs earlier.

Tommy: So, the first thing, so the on the first, I mean, doing something.

Josh: Fuck, it's hard, mate. You get old and you just, you know, get stuck in your ways.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Cooking something, maybe.

Josh: I mean, there's lots probably that you're not doing at the house. What about something that's relating to a house? Because you do live in one that you've never done.

Tommy: Like upgrade, yeah, doing renos or something.

Josh: Gardening.

Tommy: Yeah, the herb garden thing, uh, is something that I actually thought about.

Josh: Going to Bunnings, buying something that you could construct, uh, and have outdoor setting, a seat. Fishing. You've been fishing? You've been fishing?

Tommy: Uh, once. Yeah, I did it.

Josh: Yeah, so you've done that. You've done that.

Tommy: Um, Marimbula, I think.

Josh: No. Yeah, I mean, but it's, it's like It's like the person, you know, the dude who's 30 you see down the skate bowl at 7 AM on a Saturday morning.

Tommy: Is that really a thing?

Josh: In full pads, and you know that he's there. He's obviously not a skater, but he's getting into it. But he's getting early, he's getting there early, and he's wearing all the pads. I'm talking wrist pads, elbow pads, knee pads, shin pads.

Tommy: Is this really a thing?

Josh: I've seen a few people. I've driven past skate parks, I'm like that's someone who's starting later in life. Yeah, that's someone who— it's very hard to do that shit later in life. Yeah, because you're bigger, you're heavier, your bones are fucking— will break. Yeah, and won't recover like a kid, which is hard. But that's something like, imagine you just hanging down the skatepark.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I was even thinking like, um, getting Bree into golf. Yeah, just seeing the pro— like, it's funny seeing someone starting from the start and trying to convince her like It's okay to be shit at the start because there is, I think that as you get older, that there's an expectation that for some reason, as soon as you start something, you're meant to be good at it. I think it's because we've done lots of things when we're kids and then we actually end up just doing those things for the rest of our lives.

Josh: And so, you do the thing you're good at or you gravitate towards.

Tommy: And so, you don't ever sort of, I think that a lot of people see failing or seeing like not being good at something as a reason to to not do it or that they're not designed for it.

Josh: It's interesting because you've got to like, have, you've got to have a like for something to stick through the bit where you are bad at it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So editing, I'm, you know, not amazing, but I, there was that time where had no clue about anything.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But I liked it enough. It was stimulating enough. Whereas people just don't stick to things that it doesn't stimulate them enough and they're not good at. Which is, you know, but then it's like, it's like joining a club where you're really bad. You're the worst there.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Because if you're the best at anything in the circle of people that you're hanging around, you don't learn a great deal.

Tommy: The— on the editing thing, I feel like when you open up Premiere Pro, I remember when I first opened it up, it seems so mysterious or seems like like, what are all these things? But then once you overcome that, like, I even think about that with web development. There's been so many times where I've downloaded the coding tools and like creating sort of— by the way, no one, no IT professional emailed about deploying Macintosh computers. It was, it was boring.

Josh: But I'm sure if you could find something—

Tommy: Liv emailed about not knowing what Slack was.

Josh: So many people don't know what Slack is.

Tommy: There was just one person though, but that's what it is. Just finished high school. So of course.

Josh: Yeah. But think about all the, if you're in a dental surgery and who's using Slack?

Tommy: But anyway, so yeah, opening up Premiere Pro, opening up Premiere Pro, it's a big sort of shock.

Josh: Yeah. All of these things are unusual, but that's, that's the thing. It's, it's not, but like I said, you're not going to stick at anything if you're not, if you don't like it and you'll only stick at it for a bit if you just have the attitude of, I just want to see if I can stick at it for a while. You'll get bored.

Tommy: I guess we've also spoken about when you have kids, you have to relearn things or you have to— Or you realise if you're not good at something. So, for instance, one of our clients is a school and they have a programme designed for parents to learn about English and maths.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: So that they can then pass that on to their kids.

Josh: Yeah. Well, yeah, dealing with schools and filming at schools, Learning about the early stage English classes makes you— Because I can't remember the classes I was doing from prep to like, other than art, sport, the things that I really like, moments, but they're not the vowels.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: All that nouns, have no idea what they still are. But think about how you— It was interesting how you apply them to language or spot these things, but you can't remember all this stuff. But it was all built in these foundational years that you can't remember, but somehow there's things in your mind.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Which is why young kids, it's so important for what they're consuming. Like, we've— Bodhi punched me in the face like a jab.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Punched me in the face, in the lip. I mean, I didn't even blink, uh-huh.

Tommy: Was he angry?

Josh: He was angry. Punched me in the face because I would— I picked him up because he wanted to go into our next door neighbour's house.

Tommy: I was like, oh, was that the first punch?

Josh: We're gonna fucking blow up. All right, let's go home. See ya. Get home, no TV because I know he loves it. We've gotten a bit of a pattern. I think it's probably—

Tommy: Did he not like— Surely he senses when he's punched you in the face that things aren't going to be good.

Josh: Of course.

Tommy: Did you scare the— I would have scared the shit out of him.

Josh: This is the problem, you get scaring people.

Tommy: Oh, really?

Josh: Scaring people's no good. Scaring Consequences. The consequence shouldn't be, I'm scared of my dad, so I will never act again. The consequence is something's taken away. And so what we've taken away this whole entire week, TV, unplugged it. Said to him, mate, it's unplugged. Yeah. Oh, why is it not working? I didn't want to say it's broken, didn't want to lie. I just said it's unplugged, no TV. So the whole entire week—

Tommy: You've just like, so you've connected the dots for him, haven't you? You said the reason the TV's not on is because you punched me in the face.

Josh: Yes, of course.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, the— It's kind of gone, but the benefit of the kid who doesn't watch TV is so great.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: He's such— He's a different guy. A different guy. That's interesting.

Tommy: What's he doing on Instagram?

Josh: No, no. He wants— He loves music, so he wants to play music every now and then, but I don't let him touch my phone because of the—

Tommy: So, when you say no TV, no phone as well?

Josh: Well, I didn't say no phone, but I'm not giving him any TV on my phone.

Tommy: Okay. Absolutely not. So, when you say TV, you're just talking free-to-air? Is he allowed to watch YouTube?

Josh: It's not big TV. It's, yeah, it's YouTube.

Tommy: So, he can watch YouTube or no?

Josh: There's no 64-inch television projecting any kind of image.

Tommy: So, that affects him, like as in that impact, like surely he would just watch everything on a phone.

Josh: But he's not allowed the phone. Okay. So, let's go 64-inch, let's go iPhone 11.

Tommy: No iPhone.

Josh: No iPhone. No screen time at home.

Tommy: Well, see, that's a guy. Yeah. No screen time is different to no TV.

Josh: So, no screen time anywhere other than looking at the Spotify songs and seeing the background image. He loves looking at the background image. So, he finds his song and some of them have animated, like, text and—

Tommy: What does he do? What else is he doing?

Josh: So, but this is the thing. He wants to bake. He wants to play with Daddy.

Tommy: He said, can we bake something?

Josh: Yeah, he calls himself a little baker. So, he bakes, he— But he's just such a— Eats dinner, like, with us. It is amazing. It is amazing how much, how destructive screens are, seeing it in a child.

Tommy: And so then, does that make you want to just continue no screens?

Josh: Oh, well, we haven't had the TV on all week. It's been great.

Tommy: And so, how long is he meant to not have the TV on for?

Josh: I think we'll watch a family movie tonight. So he knows family movie night is Friday.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But I don't think we're going to give him back telly anytime soon. All week, like, other than Friday night.

Tommy: And so when you're saying telly, you are saying the phone as well?

Josh: Yeah, mate, the phone is the— the phone is crack cocaine. The 64-inch is the coke, a bag of coke.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But just getting rid of Just being like, you're being naughty boy, no more coke, but you can still have the crack.

Josh: No, no. But that's the thing. You've— When you don't, you don't go to the crack. The crack is like the addict that's found it.

Tommy: But once you find the crack cocaine, ironic.

Josh: Hard to find. Who's cooking up crack?

Tommy: Yeah, but I think that that analogy, the problem with it is that—

Josh: Just no screens. It's no screens.

Tommy: No screens. No screens. Because you keep saying no telly. And when I think no tell me.

Josh: But that's the biggest thing. He wasn't— We already have a real problem with him using our iPhone because that's even the worst because he goes on YouTube and he does what we do, adults. Bored of that, onto the next. Okay, nah, bored of that. 2 minutes in, nah, 1 minute.

Tommy: Well, that's what, yeah, that's what I feel like is more destructive. Like GB and I were talking about how We love TVs and how having a TV in your bedroom as a kid was the best thing in the world. Yeah.

Josh: Not much has changed. Like, because he's in love with it. I was in love with it.

Tommy: But I get it. But there's a difference between the interacting of like switching. Like we would put something on and you would watch it on TV. Now it's like you're scrolling, you scroll, like you're watching 7-second reels.

Josh: Your attention span. Is shot.

Tommy: It's not even— Is it attention span?

Josh: Yeah, because you're bored, you're on to the next. It's totally attention, because you think about the effort required to watch a 2.5-hour film. You have to sit through it, you've got to engage, engage. Whereas a YouTube video, you can next, next, bored, I'm bored, I'm bored.

Tommy: But when he's watching the big TV, Is he actually— The Apple TV remote's a pain in the ass. So, he's got his— So, he can switch off it quickly.

Josh: He knows exactly how to change it.

Tommy: Menu, next. Okay.

Josh: Knows exactly how to rock that thing. And so, I don't know. It's amazing. It's— I knew this. We had to let him become addicted.

Tommy: Seth Godin told you this?

Josh: No, no.

Tommy: I don't know if you had to let him become addicted.

Josh: No, but to realise the difference and see how ratty and not ratty. Speaking of Rastand.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It's like he was like, all good with it. He's like, yeah. So, he's in his room playing Lego, building me things. Freak. We have a rat trap in this, in this house, in this building.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Jess thinks she spotted a mouse. No one else saw it. There was other people in the room. The mouse has either decided, I've been spotted, I'm gone. And I've I'm actually getting out of this place. Or there was never the mouse, but I bought the trap. The only thing the trap has got is my son when he came in here. Oh, really? And he's like, Daddy, Daddy. And I turn around, look over, and the rat trap— this is a big fucker. The rat trap has snapped his t-shirt.

Tommy: Oh my God.

Josh: I don't know. I didn't see how he picked it up or what he did. It was, it was stuck to his t-shirt. It was hanging.

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: Hanging on his t-shirt. And I'm just so thankful that it didn't snap his hand.

Tommy: Is there like a child warning on the device?

Josh: Nah, it's matte black and it just, it looks, it looks like a killer.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Would you put your hand in it? No.

Tommy: No. Would you? Uh, yeah, give it a go. No, I don't want to. I mean, if Bodhi did it, surely you could do it.

Josh: No, he didn't though. He got it snapped on the— This is not a good— This is not, this is not— I'll get it and I'll snap it on my top.

Tommy: Okay, here we go. So he's, um, It's sort of like a plasticky looking thing. It's very modern compared to, say, your standard one that you would see back in the day, which was metal. It's huge, dude.

Josh: So, I just put my toe in.

Tommy: Ah!

Josh: Whoa.

Tommy: Oh, my God.

Josh: That was violent, wasn't it?

Tommy: And that got him.

Josh: That got him like that.

Tommy: Oh, my God.

Josh: So, I was hanging like that. Oh, that's my nipple.

Tommy: Oh, that's not good.

Josh: So, Um, yeah, anyway, that's a bit— it was very lucky. I think that would hurt putting your hand in there. I do not want to put my hand in there.

Tommy: Definitely. Oh Jesus, you're still not 100%.

Josh: Oh, fucking not. I'm all right though, but I'm just not 100%.

Tommy: I was talking to Scooter Derek. He got his, um, vaccine and, um, he's still here with us. Yes, and he's He's pissed off at just how people are talking about the vaccine.

Josh: In what way?

Tommy: Don't know. He just, he was saying that a bunch of his, because he's over 50, he's saying a bunch of his over-50 mates are sceptical about it all, worried about the blood clots. And he was saying like, I'm worried about the blood clot. Like, I've always been worried about blood clots, always. But you got to do it. It's your responsibility.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: But he was also saying that he was speaking to a healthcare person and they told him that after they got their vaccine, the next day they were a bit grumpy, a bit sort of on edge. And he said, watch out for it. And Scooter this morning, before he called me, he said he had a blow-up.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: With his partner, Fiona. And he said it was because of the vaccine.

Josh: I'm going to look this up. I was listening to a really interesting podcast about the data from searches on Google that actually revealed some of the symptoms of COVID before they announced that they were symptoms. So, I was like, I can't remember what it was, but you can imagine—

Tommy: Dry cough.

Josh: Yeah. So, imagine thousands and thousands of people and you see the spike. Before it got onto the list of what the WHO or the—

Tommy: Do you know what would be really interesting? It's a bit dark, but looking up, you can look at different countries. So, you could look up India and see oxygen and see if people are fucking Googling.

Josh: Yeah, dude.

Tommy: To find oxygen.

Josh: Dude, this is exactly what happened in the—

Tommy: Let's have a look.

Josh: So, grumpy from COVID vaccine.

Tommy: Irritable, man.

Josh: Vaccine.

Tommy: Google. And so, this is called, what's it called? Getting Google Trends. So, Google Trends, you can put in a search result.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it will show you on a graph its popularity.

Josh: I haven't seen any of the grumpy. I've seen anxious after, but maybe that's just because you're thinking you get a blood clot. But no, I can't see it here. But this is, I mean, this is the thing. I heard people sweating through the mattress. Glyn said that.

Tommy: Oh, that's right.

Josh: Yeah. Glenn said he had his vaccine and sweated profusely. And then had someone else, Amy's sister had one. She's a— Like a healthcare worker.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: One of the healthcare workers works with disability.

Tommy: Oh my God. Okay. So, oxygen in the past 12 months.

Josh: Oh, wow.

Tommy: If you look at the line graph of India, It has gone from a 9, you know, I don't know what the numbers are, to 100. So, it's 10 times, and that's in the last month. They're all searching for fucking oxygen.

Josh: What about, one of them was headaches, one of the symptoms that some kind of headache issue. What about type in, what was it? What's another? Lost, no taste. Typing no taste to see what, like, America—

Tommy: Just very quickly, the other things that came up was Saudi Arabia, oxygen to India, um, Saudi Arabia. So maybe that's where they get a lot of it. Um, how to increase oxygen level in blood.

Josh: God, um, is that what it's for?

Tommy: How much oxygen levels into your body? Yeah. Okay, here we go. What was the one that you just said?

Josh: No, uh, no taste, or loss, loss of taste.

Tommy: Lost taste.

Josh: Lost taste. See, just in America or worldwide, see when that's— when that peaked, because that was an early day symptom. And I could imagine people worldwide don't have any taste.

Tommy: Okay, so I'm gonna go, rather than being 12 months, let's do a, um, 5-year period.

Josh: Okay, yeah, 5 years.

Tommy: So we can see that. Yeah, so January 2020, 2020, it's got a huge spike.

Josh: And so if the hard bit is how do you know— someone has to be tapped in, like Google have to be the people say looking at them.

Tommy: Well, people are using this for all sorts of things. People are using this for interest in crypto, trying to work out what the trends are. So saying, uh, this is where Bitcoin was in 2018 from a public interest perspective, here is where it is today.

Josh: Oh yeah, um, yeah, you could see when Bitcoin was shooting up, Dogecoin. This is— yeah, it's interesting. I mean, do you think it's like Amazon knowing what products sell the best and then them being able to create the product around that interest? Do you think there's something that Google need to do in terms of having access to that data? They've got— we have access as Gronks. Yeah, but they have access at a whole another level.

Tommy: Well, I think like advertising, when you see, um, uh, like I was searching our business, and when you search it, there's so many other businesses now that pay. There's like 5 ads now. It's like ridiculous. You have to scroll down halfway just to get to the organic stuff.

Josh: So is that what's— is that—

Tommy: so that's people paying Google to get that spot. But is it even worth then So if someone wants to pay a company to get them ranking, organic I think is still relevant, but I don't think it's as relevant as it was 5 years ago. Maybe people don't give a shit if they're clicking on an ad or not. Yeah, well, but also it's harder to decipher what is organic results versus what's an ad. If you look 10 years ago, there was an— it was a completely different colour There was circles or there was like, there was an outline, sort of a rectangular outline. Now you have to see on the left-hand side, little ad. And it's a bit mentioned.

Josh: Bit bold or no?

Tommy: Not really. No. Like, it's, they look very similar. And so, they can be doing stuff like that. One thing that I heard on a podcast, which I thought was interesting when it comes to trafficked websites.

Josh: What's trafficked?

Tommy: Highly trafficked websites. So like lots of, lots of views. Yeah, yeah, the number, the number one websites.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, guess I found this very surprising. Yeah. Um, obviously Yahoo, not that popular nowadays, is it?

Josh: No, I've never— I fucking—

Tommy: well, you just don't really hear about it.

Josh: What's—

Tommy: what's still in the top 10?

Josh: Is it?

Tommy: Which I thought was very surprising. Bing—

Josh: is Bing there? Bing top 10?

Tommy: So the top 10, uh, this is on visualcapitalist.com. Okay, it's a random site that I just, um, found on Google. Uh, google.com is number 1, youtube.com number 2. Yeah, facebook.com at number 3, twitter.com number 4, Wikipedia dot org is number 5. The, the interesting thing is if you look at the, um, the valuation of these different companies— oh yeah, so, um, it doesn't necessarily add up. Like Yahoo, I think sold for something like $5 billion, which is tiny if you compare to Google.

Josh: Hundreds.

Tommy: Well, so if you look at what, uh, Facebook, um, would you say Facebook, uh, what's it called? Valuation. Yeah, Facebook's valuation right now, let me guess, let me guess.

Josh: Yeah, um, $340 billion, probably more. What are we at?

Tommy: Uh, $907 billion.

Josh: Dude, that's nearly a trillion dollar business. And so, and then so top, you did top 5 there. Yeah, what goes on beyond top 5. So Wikipedia is a not-for-profit. I mean, they just— you can donate to keep the thing going.

Tommy: Yeah, I wonder. I don't think that—

Josh: I mean, they're not like a public Julian Assange.

Tommy: Um, Wikipedia, yeah, it's harder to see.

Josh: Um, no, he started WikiLeaks, what am I saying? WikiLeaks. But you can donate to both, I'm pretty sure.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, Wikipedia you can.

Josh: And so what else? What rounds off the list? I want to know top 10.

Tommy: Um, yeah, then, then the other ones were— I want to get a different, um, site because I don't— I feel like it's not the best site. Um, uh, trafficked websites gives you a sense though. Let's go on Wikipedia's most popular, uh, list.

Josh: Google, same.

Tommy: Uh, yep, YouTube, which is the same. So then there's a few in China that's okay, that, um So we'll say, which I don't think the other one had. So the third one is T-Mail, T-M-A-I-L. That is China.

Josh: That's the Gmail.

Tommy: Yeah. Uh, Baidu, number, uh, number 4, China.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it goes 5, 6 are both China as well.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Uh, Tencent. QQ, um, which is China. Sohu, China. Facebook, then Taobao. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right, but, um, yeah, I mean, so Amazon, uh, number 10. Yeah, Yahoo number 11 on this list.

Josh: Okay, edged out of the top 10.

Tommy: That's with all the Chinese ones.

Josh: If you're still 11, it's weird how these companies still exist, is being in the top 20.

Tommy: Uh, let's have a look.

Josh: So that's Microsoft.

Tommy: Yeah, so what makes Yahoo interesting apparently is Apparently their Yahoo Finance is really good if you want financial news.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: They do like the best. So, you were asking about Bing. Bing. Reddit's number 19.

Josh: Okay. Yeah. A lot of time spent on that thing.

Tommy: Bing is number 34.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Behind MSN.com.

Josh: Geez.

Tommy: It's interesting, isn't it? So, about the rocket that's 23-tonne, going to hit the Earth on Sunday.

Josh: A rocket?

Tommy: Yes. Some space junk.

Josh: A space junk.

Tommy: Which is part of a Chinese rocket.

Josh: So, hang on. A rocket or junk. It's an old spaceship.

Tommy: So, I think space junk is—

Josh: Okay, so it's just shit in space that they've left up there.

Tommy: Say if you have a microwave, you put it in the bin.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's now junk.

Josh: But so, it's not active. They haven't used it. It's just, it was floating up there. It's like Elon Musk's car.

Tommy: Yeah. So, this is from the conversation.

Josh: You know he put a car up there?

Tommy: Yeah. In one of the—

Josh: He put his—

Tommy: Was it the first one or something?

Josh: His model fucking whatever it is.

Tommy: So, this is from the conversation. A giant piece of space junk is hurtling towards Earth.

Josh: Here's how worried you should be.

Tommy: A large piece of space debris, possibly weighing several tonnes, is currently on an uncontrolled re-entry phase. That's, that's space speak for out of control. And parts of it are expected to crash down to Earth over the next few weeks.

Josh: What country?

Tommy: So, this was on May 4th. They were saying it could be as south as New Zealand or as north as New York. It doesn't sound good, does it?

Josh: Well, hopefully the New Zealand area, because New Zealand's tiny. And if it hits the land in New Zealand, that's fucking unlucky, dude.

Tommy: Why are you saying hopefully New Zealand?

Josh: Because New Zealand is so small.

Tommy: It would wipe them out.

Josh: No, it won't. It's a tonne. It's 2 tonnes. It's the size of a fucking—

Tommy: 25 tonnes. Yeah.

Josh: 25 tonnes. My point is, if it goes towards New York, New York then is like its island of Manhattan and then goes into land, which goes for the whole of America, like from one side. So, you've got a lot more, you've got so much sea around New Zealand that the chance of it coming down and hitting New Zealand versus off to the water, I'm saying it will highly likely—

Tommy: So, directionally you're saying around that way, better option. But not New Zealand.

Josh: We don't want it hitting New Zealand.

Tommy: But you're, but the way that you're saying it is like if we had to pick between it hitting the US or New Zealand, I'm picking New Zealand.

Josh: Well, the top 5, like some of the top websites from America, they've done well. They gave us YouTube, they fucking gave us Facebook.

Tommy: I'm sorry, New Zealand.

Josh: But New Zealand gave us Lamingtons. We ganked them off them.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: What else? Fucking the meringue thing. The disrespect we have for the thing we stole off them.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I don't even know its name. What is it?

Tommy: You mean a Pavlova?

Josh: Pavlova.

Tommy: Yeah. But no, so the latest thing I was watching, I was watching a news report before, they were saying it's looking, it could be East Coast US sort of thing. They're monitoring.

Josh: If that hits the US, think about all movies that are set, like all doomsday movies.

Tommy: It's got to be in Hollywood. No. It's got to be all like downtown.

Josh: Godzilla, you know, like. The shit that happens in Endgame or one of these Avengers movies, it's like the shit goes down in New York City. How annoying.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, it's primed for things like pandemics because it's highly populated.

Josh: True. But then also things like UFO sightings happen in America. Like, of course they do. There is a bunch that have been seen in Australia.

Tommy: There was just something, there is something strange about that, that we know as Earth, like the Pentagon or some organisation is monitoring right now this space junk coming to Earth.

Josh: They should shoot it down. Send a rocket up. Fucking blow that shit.

Tommy: I'm sure they're thinking about that stuff, but there's a bunch of things to think about. But interesting.

Josh: It's like when you say, fucking, there was a guy holding hostage people. Why don't you shoot him through the window? They never shoot through the window. Could just hit a civil.

Tommy: Well, George pointed out something, you know, which sort of made sense. He's like, mate, because think about it, 1 degree difference in regards to its trajectory could be the difference between hitting different countries. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. Don't know if that's true, but it sounds right, doesn't it?

Tommy: Because it's like, oh, it's so big and it's going far out. Depends where.

Josh: Because the trajectory angle-wise, as it's lower, say right now if he just said it yesterday, it was higher up, it will definitely change it a lot more than if he says it 2 days later and then the trajectory changes because you're closer to the Earth off 1 degree. But if you're up here, 1 degree might go further. Don't know, I'm not a rocket scientist.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm off Joe Rogan, by the way. I just think like not reading any media stuff, but just watching his clips on YouTube. I think he's jumped the ship. Jumped the shark.

Josh: What's that mean?

Tommy: Jumped the shark? Is that what you say? Jump the shark?

Josh: What are you trying to say?

Tommy: He's jumping the shark is like going from good to bad. Jumping the shark. Haven't you? Jumping the shark.

Josh: Jumping ship.

Tommy: Jumping the shark.

Josh: Never heard that.

Tommy: Yeah, I know. So, I just think like He isn't.

Josh: I think he's not changed a lot.

Tommy: I know, but maybe that's, um, jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe the moment of misguided attempt of generating new publicity for something once but no longer widely popular. Attempts serves to highlight the irrelevance of what— So, it's not— He's not really jumping the shark because he—

Josh: I don't think he tries to get any attention.

Tommy: It's just so my— Yeah, jumping the shark's the wrong phrase. I just think that he, um, he's— How do you— I don't know. I just, I just think that there's, there's— I can see the danger in someone just consuming that content. And I think if everyone thought like Joe Rogan on a bunch of things, it wouldn't be great. Like, I think, like, he's like your uncle. You can, you can still respect someone and what they've done, but then also be like, oh, you know, that uncle or whatever is just a bit fucking tweaked with X, Y, and Z. I think that there is the fandom where he sort of is untouchable to a lot of people where it's like, oh, Joe Rogan, like, no, you just don't get him. You just need to spend time listening to him. But no, some of the stuff he says is trash as well.

Josh: Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's a— if you're only consuming one person, It becomes the bubble.

Tommy: Think about how much content that he produces. Like, I remember hearing people say, like, podcasts, like, how do you have time for all of it? Like, there's many people who their only podcast experience would be Joe Rogan.

Josh: Of course. I mean, he is the biggest podcast in the world. So it's—

Tommy: Yeah. And so I think, yeah, I just, I guess there's maybe a flippancy to his style or whatever. Just when I was like talking about the rocket stuff and I just think, man, we've got No idea.

Josh: But he does the same. I appreciate that about him because that's more— I think that's why he's become so big, because he's a guy who is okay to just have a dumb conversation. And he's like, I actually am— don't have no idea.

Tommy: But I think it's fun talking about rockets and JJ Drew. I know.

Josh: And George coming in, mate.

Tommy: Fucking, yeah, dude, we're off. But I think that potentially that's how, like, he— if you think about 2021 and it's the misinformation, like, you know, the, the, the last few years, how much misinformation. Obviously mainstream media is horrendous with, with misinformation and stuff, but there's this other version of misinformation, alternate truths, all this stuff that's happening that's, I think, uh, especially with the guests that he selects too. I think that through guest selection, I think he does what he wants.

Josh: That's the thing, you could you could look and see there's a heap of men that he has. His point will be, I'm fucking doing what I want. And he can't be— and you don't tell him what to do. This is the thing, a lot of the mainstream media would try and tell you, you need diversity, you need this. Like, yeah, and there will be a bunch of people that will be a part of that and listen to that. But if he doesn't have to, you don't have to. If you don't want diversity, you don't need to do it. That's not You don't have to have that rest on your shoulders. Bit different when you have the biggest podcast in the world. You probably need to stop and ask a few more questions.

Tommy: Well, which one is it? Is it that like—

Josh: No, you don't have to, but I'm saying when you have something so big, there's probably a few more questions to ask yourself for going, am I— I think there is a response.

Tommy: I think there is a layer of responsibility when you have so much control over culture.

Josh: Who's decided that? No, well, I think that the Because I think that's like an external view on a lot of this, is like, look at all the responsibility. Does he want that? Did he choose that? He just did a thing that became this thing. And so that's hard because then you feel so much external pressure. And this is why people send it in such a way that it, it, it becomes this thing that they never wanted to create. Now they're fucking, uh, ordered to, you know, they're being ordered to have who, who other people want on. And not everyone has to listen to that. There will be some people that will ride that ship and it'll be beneficial, but I don't think it needs to be everybody's. Not everybody has to be, uh, a person that, you know, um, attends rallies for helping change things. It's like, you don't— if you like, you don't have to feel guilty that you don't do that.

Tommy: But I think that there's, uh there's a difference between having a platform. And so the way that he communicates and the platform that he has, um, they are sort of his tools that, that's how he sort of communicates his worldview and what he, what he believes in and all that sort of thing.

Josh: It's cool if you don't believe it, if you don't like what he says, yeah, it doesn't resonate, you don't have to listen.

Tommy: Yeah, I think that, I think that the, um, I think it's probably like a, um, faux progressiveness. I think that happens with, with him where he's like, where I think people will say, oh, he's like quite actually a progressive guy because of X, Y, and Z, whereas like, but I think there's some— it's actually just, um, some of it's just there is a bunch of like misinformation or just stuff that's like on the line where I'm like, I can look at it objectively or whatever, or semi-objectively and say, okay, this is how I feel about it. But I can just imagine the enabling that it could do without actually full context. You just hear conversations and you think, okay, I wonder, um, you know, there's a flippant— there's a flippant— uh, flippancy to the style of the conversation, which I think that we're lucky to have just based on the, our size and a bunch of other things. But I think that he, you know, Dr. Fauci had to like come out and respond to him, you know, around stuff. He had to come out and re-clarify stuff on his views around vaccines. But then you also have, do you want a broadcaster? So think about what people listen to. So whether it's Joe Rogan or it's an AM talkback person, whilst they're great communicators, they don't actually know everything. And there's— there is a danger in when you are such a good communicator, you can communicate misinformation better than anyone else.

Josh: But if you like, the most progressive person, if you have to— if you're categorizing, is doing a version of that too. And so this is the thing, it's He's doing him. There's other people that will be—

Tommy: Yeah, I wonder why I resonate with him.

Josh: Exactly, that's— I find the interesting bit on this is like, why do I like someone's content at some point, you know? Yeah, Eckhart Tolle, why am I fucking so— Um, it feels like you're resonating. It's like, aha, you know how you get— But then I've listened to him before, I didn't really Maybe I just wasn't ready.

Tommy: Do you ever watch Joe Rogan with Amy?

Josh: No, I don't. I don't listen to him as much.

Tommy: Because I noticed, like, I think that's part of it, too. It's like Bree just hearing, like, oh, we'll just have a snippet up. It's like, this guy sounds like a pig. Is this Joe Rogan? Like, who is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: But you can see what content triggers people, and it usually categorises you at some point. You know, like, so Bree is obviously—

Tommy: doesn't like misogyny. So if someone's not—

Josh: or it's because I don't think, I don't think everyone would think Joe Rogan is misogynistic if that's what Bree thinks. And, and at that point, there then is this different level. Bree's life, what she consumes, what she experiences, her ex— all of that. And then when it falls, because you can't just be like, Joe Rogan's a misogynist.

Tommy: I don't think he says misogynistic things. Yeah. And so that's the thing, like, outside of, um, you know, who he is as a person, I think that that's a thing where it's like, oh, like, it's interesting that— I don't know, maybe my expectation was that with, with the— maybe he's always been like this and I just like landed on things like him interviewing Louis Theroux or stuff like that where he's not saying anything really that controversial. But maybe if it's him with these fighting mates or he's different people, it's a different tone.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, um, 100% different type. And I could imagine that doesn't resonate with you. Yeah, The Boys, it's like they do talk in a certain way. And so, I mean, I like that there's content out there that it can appeal to all different types. And so, but that's why you just, you won't end up listening to it, which it's, it's a natural filtration system. And then if it's as bad as people think it is and he is going off, off on this fucking— But then it's a time, like, what, how, what is the mainstream media?

Tommy: So if you think about Bodhi, how he's affected by the media that he consumes, and then you think about young people consuming certain types of content. So, the type of person that might be, that might appeal, like the Joe Rogan stuff appeals to them. I could see how that you could easily create a closed worldview.

Josh: But that's what people who are progressive do, the exact same thing in their own space.

Tommy: And so, the thing is like—

Josh: And this is the problem that you can be, it can get toxic. If you just watched, what's his name, Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones for 10 hours a day, you would, you would form some view that aligns very closely to Alex's based on what he's saying. Or if you listen to, you know, something, you know, far progressive.

Tommy: So do you think that is that something that you try and do? Watch a diversity of content?

Josh: I do, yeah. Yeah, spiritual stuff, talking shit, The Boys, fighting, things I'm interested in, you know. And so it does vary, it does vary heaps. And so it varies in that I'm not just watching old mate Rogan. I actually can't remember, I haven't listened to a full episode.

Tommy: Have you actively watched content with women in it?

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: Like in the diversity thing, The Boys, all that sort of stuff, stuff on where it's women hosting or things like that.

Josh: I haven't, uh, sorted out.

Tommy: I don't know, because I feel like that there's an element which is like, if it's, it's like saying I've got a diversity and like, look at the plate of food, it's so diverse.

Josh: Diverse in the different topics.

Tommy: Yeah. So, what I was going to say is like diversity, it's like, look, I've got lamb, I've got beef, I've got chicken, I've got some seafood. Like, I've got a diverse plate of food. But there's like the other version, which is like actually completely different areas. I don't necessarily think, like, I think I naturally, like, there's some of that. The Rogan stuff, but I don't like— I think that I probably—

Josh: you can listen to fucking a heap of guy shit and still be a good guy.

Tommy: That's not what I'm saying.

Josh: You cannot listen to female content and still not be a fucking pig, piece of shit misogynist. That's okay. And so this is the feeling that even like the way you frame that can make someone else feel. And this is what a lot of people do in these online platforms is make people feel a certain way by asking them. It's like maybe you feel uncomfortable, but it's like the question's framed to feel uncomfortable. That's the point, right?

Tommy: But I think that it depends. Like, so what you're saying is it's like Joe Rogan's not saying misogynistic shit, Bree just thinks that he's saying misogynistic shit.

Josh: Exactly right, because someone else doesn't think it's misogynistic, someone thinks it is. And so they're both— I'll rephrase that. They're probably both, uh, right in some respect, in some capacity.

Tommy: Yeah, I, I feel like this— if you think about where you're skewed, everyone's got like a little bit of a skew a certain way. Um, and so it— like, the thing with argue— like, or not even arguing, just talking about that stuff is It's, yeah, it's, I find it hard to explain. I guess the, it's not about making people feel bad, but it's like saying, I listen to a wide range. Like, that's what so many people say, which is like, I listen to a wide range of stuff and I'm not like, I'm not racist or I'm not the, I just, this is what I like. And there's probably people who feel that, like, actually, like, they feel that way. Like, I think there's a lot of people who don't feel like they're misogynistic, they don't feel like they're racist, they don't feel all these things. But the media that they consume gives them one perspective on life. And I think that stuff like the Rogan thing does lean towards a bunch of a certain—

Josh: I agree if you're just listening to that. And so, like, it would become a problem if you're just listening to us. It's a problem. There are other things that will give you a different perspective, and you don't have to agree with everything you— I don't agree with everything Rogan says. I feel like, you know, ah, it's a bit— he's a bit off, or, you know, Uncle Uncle Joe's fucking at it again. And so, you can listen and feel that way. It's just, I wonder, yeah, at what point, like, when something shifts so much.

Tommy: So, when someone says that he's misogynistic.

Josh: Yeah, I don't agree. I don't have to agree. And so, the thing is that— Someone's opinion on me not agreeing with that is just their thinking. And like, it's just my thinking that he is not a misogynist. And so that's cool. Like, any bit— if you can't accept that, like I am saying, you do you. You listen, you are thinking that, and of course, like, that is your version of what you think based on your experiences and all of that. But it's like, if you've just watched Rogan from a headline perspective over the last 5 years, you wouldn't understand the content. If you had taken snippets of this show you wouldn't understand what we're about. You wouldn't understand. You'd get a glimpse at a moment. But if you have consumed more episodes, you're like, ah, no, I see there's a bunch of things.

Tommy: And so that's, I guess that's my point, is when you consume, it's very hard to create an understanding for someone if you're actually not in the content. If you're just getting headlines, you're not getting it. And so that's as true with the Rogan stuff as it is with other content that's out there. And so there's that, that idea around consuming other content is a way of moving your perspective in another way, if that makes sense, or at least understanding a different version.

Josh: Yeah. And there's, there's worth in doing that.

Tommy: But I understand the comfortability. I understand the comfortability in It's like, it's, it's like not too dissimilar to how I feel with the golf stuff. It's like you can just go all in on a certain type of thing because it is, it feels like the more in you get, there's like more rewards, or it's like it's easier. And so it becomes like you become hyper-focused on something, if that makes sense. And I think golf is everywhere.

Josh: Yeah, it is actually becoming a big sport.

Tommy: It is, it is. But, um, yeah, I think there's like a, um, Yeah, I just want like, I definitely, I think that everyone sort of gravitates to something at a given time, and I think that that's like the Eckhart Tolle stuff is because, yeah, that's what you're needing right now.

Josh: Yeah, like the big difference between someone like a fucking, um, big hand clapper, what's his name?

Tommy: Um, yeah, yeah, Tony Robbins.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if you're into his content, which I have been at certain points, but it doesn't resonate with me.

Tommy: Yeah, but don't you— so he's one now, he's one thought. Like, so say for instance, uh, the women in your life are consuming one type of content and then you're consuming another type of content.

Josh: Is this hypothetical?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, like there's a different type of thinking. There's— it's almost this weird, weird thing where it's like you're all— like we are all having our own individual experience, but they could be extremely different. Yeah, like a different way of, of looking at life, a different way of communicating.

Josh: I've got friends that are quite extreme in their thinking and others that are probably more, they would say libertarian, but, you know, it could be seen as sort of right-leaning thinking and also the progressives. And so, if you hold friends that are solely progressive or all right, there's going to be a flow-on effect. Because you won't want to have a conversation with someone outside of that. But if you can be friendly and have friends and see value in, you know, someone talking about something you have no interest— No interest in thinking or not interest, but no, it doesn't resonate at all. It's— That's healthy in that you can have some dialogue. I love having fired up conversations with my mates. It's like, it is good, but there would be a lot of people that wouldn't have any of that.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Any of that whatsoever. It is complete echo chamber of, you know, their stance on life.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, if that's you, how is it in there? This is why we need some reverb.

Tommy: I think we have a lot. We need some reverb. We all have our echo chamber stuff and there's like, It's not about like the polarising of this. Like, I don't bring it up to be polarising. I bring it up because it actually impacts how we all think, how we do. Like, if one person is like, what that person did is wrong and I don't agree. And another person says, that's funny and I like it. Obviously we've always had that in society, but it feels like it's elevated now, or there's a, um, or at least we're maybe more in tune with that there is another version. And I, I think that that's like the biggest challenge.

Josh: What was the other— what's the other version?

Tommy: I think that the, the challenge is under— like creating some level of understanding between two different beliefs. Like, it's so great. Um, yeah, which—

Josh: yeah, it'd be fucking awesome. But it butts heads when there's two parties that don't want to fucking listen to anyone else but themselves, is what I'm saying.

Tommy: I think that the one thing is that there's probably in each— in every sort of thing, there's sort of the Provocator or like the provocative side, and then there's the one that's not happy about that. Um, and so, which is how I can see it potentially, the provocative side is potentially the, the more obvious one potentially to that could change or to empathise or whatever. Um, So for instance, say, say if Rogan's saying some sort of word that, um, you know, he's calling women a bunch of sluts or something like— he says something like that. So he says that, we get upset, or, you know, Bray's like, what the fuck is— like, how, how dare he, like, fucking talk— like, who does he think he is talking about people like that? Um, so there's the in that moment, there's one option which seems like the old version, which hasn't served us, which is boys will be boys. He's just having a bit of fun. It's all good. And then there's a— there's another version on Rogan's end, which is like, oh, like, what am I getting out of— like, what am I adding to a storey or to a thing by saying something provocative in that way. So, does that make sense? So, like, I try, I work out in using an example like that, who, how do you reconcile that? What do, like, what's the, you could say, you could say, oh, you know what, like, he's around his mates, but you can see how that could be like at what point.

Josh: Or he can say what he wants to say. That's what— that's— he has the right to say what he wants to say, which I think a lot of people would take it there, is like, that's one example.

Tommy: But that then, that then impacts a worldview. It impacts how someone's interacting with women. Like, I wonder, like, if, you know— yeah, it's— I don't know, like, uh, yeah, it's a hard one.

Josh: Like, that when you then take it to comedy and what people do for laughs.

Tommy: And I wonder how much— I don't think that there's that much in the way that people criticise Rogan on the comedy side. I think that it's a lot of it is in stuff that's very politicised, very, um, where a lot of people are divided.

Josh: Um, yeah, anyway, yeah, I mean, imagine waking up looking— imagine that just being your your experience. Like, as in choosing to talk about certain things, and that's the result.

Tommy: That's what we are doing. That's what we all are unconsciously doing, right? Like, we're trying to work out— we all have our version of that. That's what the hilarious thing about the whole thing is. It's like, imagine being Joe Rogan, but at the end of the day, we actually all have a version of that, but it's just—

Josh: not everyone's broadcasting to the amount of people.

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