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Wait a minute, cross face.

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. It's a daily Talk Show Episode 261 what are you doing interesting the markets. no better time then as you're doing the intro to untwist the market especially now that we've got video

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component of the show. I have watched back a couple of them almost picking my nose in a few. Is that Is that a thing? Well, Bray was saying the the video does bring another element of visual element. Yeah. Well, she was just saying you've just got to be careful when you're talking about serious things. What facial expression you're doing. That is true is very true.

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I remember there was one show where you talked about something series. And then we you approached it gently. Yeah. But then we will like fuck imagine that was recorded for the faces. So she she's onto it. We've got

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a so how do we talk brings another element to it?

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It's so yes, but

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man I the one thing is still this hate thing just getting hot. We turn off the air con to do the show.

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We're in an office that has no windows. There is a skylight above us. But that's just sitting in hate so we've got an icon that does it does the job thanks to student Derek actually yeah. would be dead with that's good for you would be we wouldn't tell you in here. That's for sure. I'll be on for something else that happened here at the office this morning. I got in and I was firing from all cylinders had to get go to the toilet. seems quite regular. What that means? Probably not firing from all cylinders is a car reference. I was

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firing from all cylinders at 430 this morning. Ty last night got up

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and went up at 430. Now that's a bad time.

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Whoa, you know, because otherwise, it's quite with

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one thing I know about you, you consistent in your emotional state, but you're

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my emotional bonds feel like we're painting a picture of my emotional state. Do you really think that I'm unhinged?

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And depends on when I get Yeah.

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Which is why I love you. I think I need to bed I think I'm on I think I'm maybe emotionally honest.

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I will go with that. Because they think emotionally honest, isn't a car. That's not a criticism. Yeah.

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But do you think that maybe I'm what's what's the word? If you translate? And if you do I lack self control.

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You don't like self control? In some areas, maybe like we all do. But I think this self control in I don't want you to hide your emotions. I'd rather you be you. I'd rather you show me which Josh we've got for today, which but it's fine. I think that's the I don't want you to come across this to come across like, I think this is how bad stigma gets created around people who?

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Hey, I've got mental health issues. I've got a look, everyone's got you got a bit of mental,

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your emotional, so I appreciate it.

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But just quickly, because I we had a meeting at the beginning of the year, where we weren't, we didn't think that we were going to do this client job. But the person asked if we would come in so we so did them a favor and went in I love

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that I don't know, this is still hasn't tweaked who it is, but I'm enjoying it already. You know, say it was you know, half the

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time. But anyway, the one person within the business clearly wanted to work with us in some way, someone who was sort of more senior, and then someone else was just sort of like questioning or they just didn't have a good tone that I didn't appreciate. And in that moment, I said, Look, I don't think we're the right fit. And it felt like it came from an emotional state. I felt like a heightened sense. Like if I'm about to tell them to go fuck themselves. Yeah. And I so I said, Look, I don't think that we the sort of right fit for you. Yeah, we should have shut the whole thing down. I feel like because it was at the end of the conversation when they had like five minutes left in the conversation. Do you think that I should have maybe played it out a little bit longest at all? Yeah, we'll email because it was a real showstopper, because we were talking about how we could do this. Or maybe you guys could do that. Maybe you could send us an email. And part of my frustration was that they had like a being asked,

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you know, to quote for a project. If they haven't seen any of our work, if there's no buying for them. Why are we sitting down with them?

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I think a general rule of thumb and I'm talking to myself here, if I was to take the foot off the emotion 10% in every interaction, but also not act on us and just move away to then gather my thoughts. Yeah, I would probably make a different decision. There is a reward in acting on the emotion in the moment, because it feels good. How good does it feel? Yeah, now I'm on to you. I wonder which one this was? Yeah. And I was like, Yeah, well, I just got a bit offended. And then Josh set up another

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more high five thing afterwards. In the car just saying like, yeah, those people we show them. But I feel like

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see these. The reward is that we've we've got gratification out of your

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action. I did something similar on the weekend on Sunday when Brian and I were in Williamstown having breakfast? Yeah. Because we're picking up a bowl from a friend in Coburg.

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The ball story made an appearance. This is a new, a new spin on

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the turns out Bry thought that Williams town was close to Coburg. Yeah, different bridge. Yeah. Anyway, so we we went to Williams town did all of that. And when we're in Williams town, we're reading books under and a nice tree. That's nice. And I say very cute. Yes, it's a brace it Asha. We had like, Can we stay here for another 4640 minutes of car parks? And she's like,

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but don't we want to get the ball. I'm like, Jackie Bianca said that head all day and she's like, Yeah, but we I also want to go on the pole at your mom and dad also

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the Rovio pools get a run this summer. Yeah.

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And so you haven't even invited me the thing? I don't go into put this to the thing. I don't use the pool. Well, I should use the pool actually. Maybe tonight commencement so hard. Send an invitation. I don't know if you can,

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but you gotta come true. not coming.

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But anyway, so I I said to break, I was like, Oh, I was thinking we could just hang out for the day instead, rather than just going straight home because we're only at my parents for another three days before we then how sitting and then having our own place. But I'm fucking over like the mom denigration but just like

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sick of the cookie that wasn't

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just a twit like being nice being 28 you just don't want to spend time your parents place. Yeah, I visit which is lovely. Yeah,

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living there. Is it probably different? Yeah,

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different feel. And so I said I was thinking port Melbourne. Like we could have gone to port Melbourne and go for gone for a walk and embrace it all that. That could have been nice. And so she'd sort of changed her tune a little bit. She went from No, we've got to get back to our port Melbourne could be nice. But then as we're driving from Coburg back to Roseville, which is like an hour for people playing at home.

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Bray said we're on the freeway and we could excellent apartment. She goes, Oh, we will go to port Melbourne. I was like now You decide. I've decided that I had made a call that and it's weird because I wanted to go to port Melbourne. And Bray was sort of saying like, No, you are trying you are what is it called? punishing? Yeah, I'm punishing her. Yeah, from making the wrong message. I've seen you do this. And do you think your is it? Like does it feel good?

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Because my thing is that, why why I'm punishing both of us is because I got pushed back straight. The instant feeling was pushed back. Yeah. And so my thing is, it's like, you know what, based on that pushback, I've lost all interest in Port Melbourne. And then next time, maybe before the pushback, you'll think of it as a not because I got hurt feeling some like I wanted to spend a nice day. And then so we arrived in Rovio. And we're like, well, we both wanted to go to port Melbourne. So we ended up going to port Melbourne Impala. Okay. Okay, so we turned it around. But it took the whole drive to Rovio. And then May.

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I mean, you see, that's a high emotional set. For me. I have moments where I'm in bed, and I've had a disagreement with my wife. And I'm just, I feel like, I can't my will I won't stop my words will not stop. Because it's like, Is it always in the bed? Is that low on to the next thing, you know? Listen, but you need to talk like Yeah, and I feel like, if I just fuck, it's like, go for a walk. That advice. He's like, to the person that's feeling like that is just fucking infuriating. But

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sometimes you like burning the house down

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for these the rewards that he's so the reward there, but I think the long term reward is taking your foot off the emotion in stepping away from the situation. I just know, it works for me. And I think it does for a lot of people. And so in those client meetings, as much as some of them, it actually serves us because we didn't want to do it. Anyway. That was

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the whole the whole thing was the learning was okay about the emotional state thing. bills are also like, a clear point of if we feel this way about a client before we go in, we probably shouldn't even have the meeting.

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Did you see that? Now we have a flickering. It's from one of the lights here, the Mr. 97 the power inputs, you just make sure it's push push it right in. Yeah. And also matching people's emotional status. Because if you bring coming to the table, so unless they're making you've really run all over them, or they've had it done to them many times, they will probably elevate their emotional state. And so it's it's only fraught with fucking Yeah, bad response from someone else, which we matched in that meeting. Because now I remember and I'm feeling the emotion, but I felt like a bit fucking offended from this person. Yeah. And then I could sense you're offended. And then I brought it up. And it is. Yeah,

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we just what were you going to talk about before? I enjoy? Yes, I

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got when I got into work this morning. firing from all cylinders. Yeah,

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that's right. Know, how did we get out of it? I mean, that's, that's the talk show. Yeah.

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A lot of banter. sitting on the toilet, doing a bit of a scroll. And so I'm looking at my phone. Don't fucking judge me because I use my phone. 90% of

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people do. Yeah. And if you're on teen percent of people have dropped it in the toilet. Yeah,

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I've dropped. I haven't dropped it. I don't

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know where I heard that fact, there was a podcast. Sorry. I can't remember which podcast, I dropped

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one of the old school phones. I cannot see. I didn't Yeah. And anyway, I I'm sitting there scrolling. And just my peripheral. Just sense some movement. And the more as you're in the toilet, like at the door, and I was like, yeah, no one's in here, because the noise of the door hasn't just got

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up.

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And anyway, there's no none of that. And so I sort of just was this movement, I won't look up yet. Still scrolling. And I look up and there's a little fucking mouth

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just looking at me.

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And I just and I was like

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you said, Yeah,

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I just kind of like kicked my legs up. And it ran off. But it was Yeah, that's that was my status a little little mascara and say hi, while I'm taking a

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taking a dump. I had an animal related incident as well.

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No, sorry.

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Rose at 4:30am this morning. I was

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I was walking along Sackville strange. Snow in Collingwood. And I was walking like just along the path and this fucking dog barked at me. Right when I got to the gate now fucking jumped, like big jump. And I looked at it was a small dog. Yeah.

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And so

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straightaway, I was like, I need to do something that like my instant response was emotional state. Now it's like drew said, like, fucking yell at it. Yeah, it reminded me of when I was in high school. I remember there was a dog barking at me as I was crossing this thing. And so I started barking.

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Anyway, I came out and said, What are you doing? Yeah,

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I look like a fucking

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maniac. I was like,

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a dog Tayo but that was my like, when that dog did that. It was literally I was ready to do like that a current affair style.

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I will I will say of back back adult, but swearing also, because it scared like swearing in response to things not inclined. But when like pain swearing reduces pain. I Sean

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Did you I don't think I've told you my friend who is a dog a dog owner. She was walking on her own and her neighbor's dog beat her. That's fact on the leg. Like savvy like yeah, lighting broke skin. And so she ended up telling the owner and the owner didn't give a fuck yeah, I was like, gonna put the dog down surely now.

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How savage was it? What kind of adult I think it was like one of those like, so I got bitten at a park when I was young nothing bad. Jews land he's got a scar on his face he got beat my mind as nothing like that. But I got bitten. The woman who's dying this trendy homeless shopping Bratton that this is how funny is the only reason nice because mom was like Oh, she's

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really

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liking the shop and so every time I walk past I was like that fucking mad and the dog is ran and also the dog. Dog jumped up this fucking thing jumped up and just nipped Nick's my side and drew blood but I was Oh yeah. It's not much unless it really how would you fight with a dog? Dude when I like I think about because kids my son when I'm like he loves dogs. Yeah. And I've got no field to this slapping them and walking out his doggy doggy. He gets really close. And so my foot is

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just ready for kick for a kick.

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Like it's so funny because you think as a I haven't hadn't had that thought of a parent as a parent until I'm a parent. Yeah, anything. But I was like I actually would kick that dog splat in the head which I love dogs Yeah. Hey cats. Probably cracker cats. Cats right there allergic to inside them. Well, cats Probably not. Majority of cats. I'm allergic to some odd sweaty Yeah, you are pretty sweaty. But you definitely kick a dog in the head for you kid.

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You take your dog if you had a dog, I guess. Yeah,

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I reckon I would. I'd kick a dog in the head for you. I'm pretty sure you're getting mold. I would absolutely fly kick it I appreciate it. That's the friendship we have gotta get dug in the head for you bro got so many miles

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we did we got one from Ash Ash had sent us an email she was the

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she's another one that fell for the trick

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or from Josh or an investment

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a solid invest now ash had had emailed us previously about the fact that she had bought a coin similar to mine.

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Well, this kind of this was on

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yesterday's Bry was trolling me I said I got my coins you guys are great. Show me It must be in your pocket. Good. Thank you Bray. And we it was it was on my desk in the little in the little boy area. But I think it's Oh, definitely start doing that.

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But the reality is you've saved more because you're at your desk more. You're not constantly checking your pocket. Yeah,

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it's just the way I think it'll be annoying is that the gym

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or going through security?

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Security is sort of like the

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obscurity or they just,

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I mean, I could come up with 100 reasons why it's dumb. And why will be an issue where it will be an issue but that's not what we're speaking of. Because we've actually got a supporter of the coin. Yeah, actually,

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Ash said hi Josh and Tommy Josh I'm so excited. You received your coin. I'm attaching pictures of two coins I carry. I already told you about the larger one Josh I really hope it helps you in your daily life like mine has. I really like the so she's got the big one. So mine says memento mori, which means you could leave life right now. You're going to die. You could die. So live live. I get it.

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And I'm a fatty.

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So one says that a more fat Fatty, which is not merely to bear what is necessary, but love it.

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It's I mean, the attachment to a physical item to spark a thought is good. Maybe we could maybe there's a coin out there that's for when you're blowing up. When you're in that emotional side. It's just a handbrake pull the handbrake bro throw the

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coin at them. Now the kids. Imagine if I had something that was visual that I did every time that I was going to blow up. Like say we're in a meeting and I just go He sounds like what is Josh doing? So he's about to blow up.

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This controlling himself. I mean, the breathing. You will you say that? You you? You do the I know. You're anxious. But yeah, on it, you do this? And so I'll ask you things like, what do you think about this? And so yeah, yeah, I think it's great. I know that there's some slight anxiety. I'm as conscious as you are in your emotional state because sometimes I don't even know that I'm doing it.

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I see. I think the thing is that I can actually I've gotten good enough now that I can see it. I can identify it, but I haven't gotten good enough to stop it. Pull the handle. Yeah, pull him out. Pull the handbrake on. Neil had nearly had a car accident yesterday.

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I was only yesterday that I said was it yesterday day before I was like, Who's the better driver never had a crash to my record. Yeah,

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but I feel like that's out of luck. Because

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what I've actually had one car accident before I reversed into a truck Yeah, annoyingly it was parked it was someone who I hadn't seen in years I'm dropping off something to their house and I reverse into the truck anyway I just got my license but no I very 18 year old PayPal item Yeah, the truth What's this button? And so I know Yes, I was scary. It's fact I was going out of an intersection I was just so I had an underwriting I'd eaten boiled egg which you provided me which was delicious by the way Bry said did you have any seasoning on it I said no.

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shredders just

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write a file

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all the time to say that know

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why what he's done is brought an in joke that the conspiracy Jimmy and I have shredder fall. I didn't get it. I didn't want a guy that dude. We will on another episode. Now what

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does

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it mean? shredded fall? how we've built a personality around the dude who is goes to the gym, but he's also a pedophile.

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I thought with some

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success with his body but he's also pedophile

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to file could Oh, I thought it would have met someone who's upset like, if you're right, if you're at like a UFO file.

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I've never heard that

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burner isn't? Isn't that like a way of describing someone that maybe?

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Maybe but the shred of what is

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this? What is the main? What do you think it means?

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Someone who is over age that that forces? No, it's actually not What is it? It's

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a person who is sexually attracted to children.

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So I need because

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this is the video thing because when we're talking about HIV yesterday, which was serious break was like, okay,

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be careful, pedophiles. It's not funny. The persona of a dude that goes to the gym that you think is a great looking guy who's got big muscles, but is also a pedophile. He's afraid of fall. And so that was where I was like, you can imagine that type of person. That type of dude who's like all about his body, but he's also hiding a lot. What do you think from the gym? Do you lose a shred of?

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Do you think there is fucked up? Do you think that there is when you become a parent yet? pedophile jokes become less funny, because I find that like when I was a teenager pedophile jokes. were funny. Because it was like we felt like

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I'm still Ah, yeah, but if I get it as a parent, I hold my white to me where as much as I might laugh I also think Holy fuck I've got if you attach it to the actual reality so it's fuck you bring some life to in your own

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world and that's what I think about like people who maybe have like experienced that shit. That's what you go to consider I guess like having a joke but then even

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like I remember making jokes to friends when I was younger and then you know they would they start crying or whatever and I asked my whole fucking backstory of shit that happened to to them

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so sorry if the shredder file was offensive was it was offensive it's not meant to be it was an in joke that

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that was a this is a famous example like I tend to do that I needed to meet the casting

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so as much as I've never had a car accident there is there is a and I noticed this morning when I stopped in to get petrol from the service station that I quite forcibly pulled on the handbrake was driving no no no what as iPod Okay, so here's the thing I've got an Amy's pulled me up heaps about this. We've got an automatic car an automatic car if it's in park it won't roll because it's in gay it's in pockets like cannot wrong Yeah, that'd be have to be something severely wrong with the car if you left the natural show. But sometimes if you're on a flash you sometimes say I notice if you like if you put it into Park Yeah, and you don't have the handbrake. You can have a car you'll notice the slight movement, but it does lock there is a point and i don't know maybe different it could be it's probably amazing. So yeah, I think it'd be good to engage the handbrake, but that's what pulls me off about not engaging the handbrake in most instances pop into the car park or the shopping center. Just walking in park get out I had a manual car where you learn pretty quickly to fucking rip that handbrake on the one grown pace of behavior that I demonstrated was at a petrol station which is why I have the fear of embracing petrol stations. I was at a 711 petrol station and I I love seven oh I had a big weekend and I just like if you've ever had a massive weekend bit of a bender, lots of no sleep and the coffee and petrol

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pump as well.

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No, not that far. That's not that wasn't my drunk behavior. So I was cloudy and I got and I just literally pulled in. got we

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got petrol walked inside. Got a Slurpee came back out to my car my What the fuck? I look right. And this is guy running. He's running with my God. He The reason is running with the cars because he's a fucking dude who was fixing something in the ground, and my car's rolling towards the hole that was exposed like an idiot. It wasn't a massive Hall. But what the worst thing was, it fucking ran over some part and bent this part. And he stopped my car and a gun under like, what the gun under the car that slowed it down was a witch's hat. And so I've run over and ripped on the handbrake in the car. He's like, stop it from the heart. This is seven years ago Okay,

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no, no

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the old manual and the takeaway was for me was I can pull your handbrake on all the time at a petrol station probably should be extended to everywhere but I was paranoid because he's like, Look man, I'm gonna have to get your number and I'm thinking of know this part that I've run over Yeah, he's like going to be thousands and thousands of dollars like Did he ever get back to you never lucky never contacted me. Because as I got out I was like, now that like it'd be like if a camera piece of camera equipment at a shoot got run over the dude who ran it over isn't gonna pay for it. If we were even doing a shoot like yeah, our insurance pays for it so much but then the

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insurance that ensure might come after the person through the minutes

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I mean, you're in this that's the chance of something like that happening so put your handbags brakes on your grace

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should always Yeah, my parents car actually went down like the driveway they will kids solid across right into the neighbor's front yard. And then when they'll try to sell the car my brother who was a kid at the time was like James was telling the potential by the store story and my parents like Shut the fuck up James that but what happened with me was I it was a intersection where I had to look left and right and I just fucked up the timing on the right and drove out as the car nearly got t boned and had to put my foot down turn of a screeching that to slam on the brake. But it was one of those ones where it's like they came to a stop I managed to get around no one got hit. And so you just sort of draw live alone and you're off and so I ended up pulling over straightaway and getting ready to drop because I was tired what's

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worse being like aggressive not aggressive but just being rabid Revis awesome

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to see my grind crime was he growing I just did what

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is you growing? What does that do that? How did you growing crack What do you

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how you know how you do the strange you I don't

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what's that much more dangerous being severely hungry driving or being drunk? severely full? Because I've seen Oh yeah, sure. Drunk don't fuckin drink

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hungry Yeah, because like you You fall apart when you've eaten a lot to

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LA like that's pretty next level down to Mexican campaigner and very worn

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right back to the old Social Media Manager

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Yeah, they did actually gave me that's when you know you feel like you're in fucking bola went into our it who owns Mexico him Cantina? Is that Josh Have you tried the jalapeno poppers? I'm like, Nah, mate. I'm like I get will bring some out and he brought them out or whatever. And then he said these are on these are may also I

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have made it this is what I feel. This is what he's got. He's just got he's got it looked into it. Check out the jalapeno poppers. They're beautiful. They really they're an amazing addition. That's an endorsement.

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Honest endorsement I've

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ever heard. But the combination is very good. combination. Like I my friend used to work at Mexican Cantina. Her name is Steph and I asked if she could find out how they made the beef the shredded beef

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and she was trying to find an average like gonna fucking not

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at home so I asked told me date What am I good night? Yeah, very nice for a long time. And I thought were pretty close how to make the waffles not close enough to know the waffle recipe would even don't give you the waffle. Give me the risk. That was the whole his whole business of patch Hold on. That was that was the foundation though is over aids kept patch alive. For the for the waffle. Yeah. There it is. He can't get the secret sauce. Seven surely. What do you think?

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The cafe anymore? Yeah,

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another email from Stephanie shop because we've got the

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wrap

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up from Mr. Murray. Hey Josh Happy New Year. Heard you'd left social media. She wants to know my thoughts on that. On the latest podcast you guys were chatting about unhealthy habits. self management news resolutions totally agree. There's not one size fits all. approach. A friend and I were talking about similar things including what motivates people to overcome procrastination and build good habits and we came up with a fun little project called deadly it it's deadly don't ko di d l y co anyway Italy helps people achieve goals using money as a motivation you set a goal. set a deadline and set a prize if you don't achieve your goal by set deadline. We take the money and give it to charity. No.

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Good idea. Nice right? We're about to run out of time here. I love that idea. Delete co

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delete co tomorrow let's talk about resolutions. ETFs if this is

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we'll see you tomorrow guys. Bye.