#071 – Pen pals/

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Hi, Tommy. It's a daily talk show. Are you ready for me to say? Yeah, I thought you could be around each episode's 71. You're a little bit nervous, because you've got Well, not nervous if I can answer because you want. You've got a meeting and the meeting. So I've

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got some fun stuff to talk about. Oh, that's good. So we've, you know, there's one thing I learned in radio. It's fucking just show up. Shit. Yeah. What's it once when I was working shepherd, and it was probably a couple of weeks into working there. I had a big weekend. And then on the Monday, I was, you know, at the front up at thought for I am. Yeah. So I was feeling a bit worse for wear. And then I remember getting some feedback from my mom. Oh, you sounded a bit flat. That's never happened to me again.

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Well, you got some positive feedback from your mom after the Michelle episode. Yeah. Yesterday taking on I think, is what she said. Yeah. Well,

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I think Michelle Master said that. So I think she was saying, because remember how we said is there anything? Any final words? Yeah, I think she essentially said keep going.

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Anyway. So I

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took that advice from my mom. I wasn't I wasn't flat anymore. Yeah. didn't stop drinking that

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the Yeah, I loved my chat with Michelle I want to get a back definitely I haven't told I haven't told her that yet. But she might be listening to this. But if as she was saying throughout the whole thing will just fucking scraping at the surface of all these different topics. And we even we got an email from Trevor, which is like, make you start talking about transgender, this huge factor? think there's so many questions to ask. So or you see, it was quite easy to to do one hour. Yeah.

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And if we went down rabbit holes, yeah, we we would not we would be back four hours later. But I think that I less what I love about long form podcast on podcasts is that you do have time to elaborate on a conversation. But I think it's like we there was some great things you talked about with Michelle and it's probably worth, you know, dedicating your 20 minutes to x topic

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or however long ago, but I think that that was like one of the, the things that I was thinking that was in my head where it's like, I, you know, reflecting on the Michelle interview specifically, she's got so many interesting bit like she was a fucking from driving trucks to having like, a Linux system. Like, she's got the technical stuff in her life is fucking quirky, if you like that, fine. Okay, remember what the operating systems called or the microphone that she's using? And she sent me a link to be able to, you know, help people, you know, communicate through her voice. It's pretty, there's so many topics, are you gonna, are you going to text me challenging? Yes. I didn't enjoy the tech side of it. And, and I think that that was,

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you know, going into it. I didn't want it to be a I haven't spoken to Michelle about this,

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and I definitely want to, but I didn't want it just to be fucking, we've got a transgender on the podcast, cuz for me, she's actually like, I I say all of these fucking interesting, quirky things that she does. I told her that she's a bit of a factor of weird you know, like me, is it just fucking like, you know, does things differently and doesn't have, you know, an iPhone doesn't have all of these things. And I didn't want to just create a podcast that felt like it was leveraging this one thing you know, that makes up Michelle for playing a short game. That's what you probably do. Yeah, but if we're in this for the long haul, so we want people Friends of the show, literally, to be on every now and then what I just learning and learning. Yeah, and it's almost like, I'm not comparing, you know, transitioning to fucking Joe bike story, but it's like, it's well done. Yeah, but I think that it's, I sort of say it like that where it's like, just like, Michelle is much more than attacking, you know, someone who's transgender, you're like, I think you'd get over people being like, this is Tommy the Obeid guy I think like so that was that was my thoughts behind it. I know that people are asking like fact there's so many questions like you didn't fucking deep dive and I sort of the curious side of me, we have so many questions on so many of the topics we covered. So what I think Michelle would be proud of is that we've brought up feedback from a mouse in today's episode even though it's unkept. Because it is like it's it's uncomfortable in the sense of what receiving feedback Yeah, receiving feedback and things like

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I could have we could have done a better job at at doing that interview. But I think as you said it is a long game we are and I described it on social media is one of my favorite episodes and the reason why is it was because like it was all of these things we've got someone like Michelle who we've never met in person before and we fucking hooked up this conversation and we're just we had an hour conversation with you know, an online friend that we've never met before and maybe it was a little bit selfish to maybe I was enjoying it as much you know through me and I just hope that the audience found some sort of join my friend 50 he's been on the heels on one of the very early podcasts we just called him out of the

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blue right yeah and he blows up he blows up about a lot of things yeah and his mom is so she lives in Benito 50 grew up in Benito she's had a pen pal since she was 13 and they still write each other letters she leaves over in the States or in England somewhere one of those two can't remember you say the states or England yeah so very different but i

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i don't know New London I think America is Nila

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no but she's had a pen pal for 3040 years you ever done that before now

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i right maybe I wrote my friend in jail

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does

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that seems like from a pin lb point of view Australia straightaway went to sort of jail

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well I like that same always dabbling on you working sharpen because you can. There's a website that allows you to write to people in jail and form a friendship with them. Yeah. And so it's like connecting you with people in jail. You can look it up and we could never do it because it was a bit too fucking edgy. Right? Yeah,

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you should do it for this. Yeah, I mean, it's um, you know, I have a past friend who haven't spoken to you know, in probably seven years because he's now in jail for life in the US for murdering his wife talked about it yet, but like fact, it's a it's,

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it's a weird thing. Because, yeah,

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where does where does forgiveness where it is? You know, am I is it Do you think it's disrespectful to the victims of say a violent crime or whatever it is? If you are communicating with someone in jail?

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Yes. And no, but I don't think it's it's like humans. Fact. That's a serious one. Not

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if we were to choose who have we got. But it's like they've got nothing to live or die. Or in jail for life. Yeah, your last fucking done. Yeah.

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And it's I don't think just talking to them. We're not trivial using it. Well, what do you I guess? You know, this isn't even talking about whether we do it on the podcast. But just in general, what is it that you do you think you would sake to reach out to someone who's in jail?

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I mean, it would I would like to see where their mind is shifted, was listening to a podcast yesterday. I have a guy who was in jail in Cairo for five years, solitary confinement Majid. He was on Joe Rogan's podcast Majeed I think it is anyway he was saying, he was in there, with

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terrorists that had assassinated, so I can't remember who was something very famous, so I'm not going to butcher it. But these were terrorists that assassinated somebody, and they did it because of their religious beliefs. And they have had a full mind shift. So they're not extremist any more. And so he was saying, he learned all this stuff from these people. Who would, you know, be in one place? Yeah, completely gone to the other. And so that's what I mean, if, if this person was just like, Oh, yeah, I don't give a fuck what I did. Yeah. Okay. But if, if someone is like, you know, come to grips with what they've done and, and is almost sorry for the mistake they've made. So your filter would be I only want the apologetic ones. I want the the insightful ones that are actually a bit introspective. On on their actual Yes,

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because there's probably I also think that there's, I mean, there's no black and white case for any of this type of stuff. But I think also, you've probably got people who

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are very, you know, emotionally manipulative, maybe, right? That, you know, they talk about pedophiles or things like that, in some cases, being used very much that way. So, the other thing is, maybe

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I think that I would be concerned that I'm being played. I think

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it's also what, you got to realize that context, we're on our podcast. And if we're doing that, speaking to somebody, it's not like, we're just looking for a friend. And we're vulnerable people. You get that though? You could, they could definitely walk all over people. It's like, you see gangsters in jail. Have wives? Yeah, they actually didn't make them before they went into jail. And who is that psychopath, Manson? Or was that Charles Manson? Want some serial killer end up? Oh, what's his name? Fucking for making a murderer? Pretty sure he became. I didn't watch the whole series series. Yeah,

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I only got I loved the Jinx. Great job. We're not talking about the jeans. You know Making a Murderer I was comparing to the Jinx route. So I think it was 13 episodes I got through four.

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Okay, so he I think he because he gets a gets in a relationship once he's in there. That's what I'm curious about. Those people who do reach out looking for something I

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was like, you gotta be I feel like you're a little bit tweaked. If you're like, what are you seeking for me? And maybe this is incorrect. But there feels like there's an emotional deficiency or something in being attracted to people who maybe that's a harsh phrase but people who are who are drawn to people who are who can I can spend time I mean, it's quite easy to judge somebody I think most people would judge somebody that is doing that

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Yeah. And I don't know I think maybe it is a certain type of person I don't know I would like to speak to one of those people and yeah so I

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think it's coming from I think that for this podcast we want to we want to dig deep into things and I guess where I'm trying to create the anti clickbait and I think that the but still delve into really interesting topics and so that's representing people as people first rather than maybe the things so questioning my own

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you know assumptions around that would be you know around the these gel PayPal and I think that what I'm not sure on ease if I if I was a victim of fucking Riot or whatever it was with how I would feel if

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the perpetrator who's in jail was getting any form of communication from people or emotional sustenance from the outside

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that is there a human yet fucked up and I've had makes it a fact up and been to jail yeah and I spent a long time and yeah and you know we do they I saw a guy recently that I knew you walk past me and he was so big like put on so much white and he was looking at me and then I fucking looked up and as whoa I bro fact I haven't seen this guy in 10 years he was he went to jail for about eight years yeah he was on ice and he ran over an old guy killed him

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seriously FX that and got locked up for like, yeah, I think seven or eight years and I haven't seen him in a long time. And we used to hang out when we aren't. And yeah,

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I wanted that to him. emotionally.

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you up? I didn't really say to him after that. He was pretty down and pretty dark Hall. Yeah. And

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but I mean, does he deserve to be pushed into the corner of society? Because I guess my fuck up. But massive fucker. So I 100% of gray. The one thing that I wonder is that being the connection point between starting a new friendship or relationship ease? I'm going to a site and connecting with only people who have done this thing versus

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like, what about their older friends? What about like, I have no idea about this stuff. I'm just questioning trying to be empathetic to the I don't think they should. I don't. I don't think the death penalty should be a thing. And I think we should be doing that. But I

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think you would would if someone murdered Ray Exactly. Yeah, yeah,

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you're right. Yeah. But I think

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everything in life. If you were to think too hard about it, you were like, what is it?

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Is it our responsibility, though, to actually think

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because I think that you. So you're saying if you think too hard, you might not do it, because you will feel this way. But maybe that's the the inner being that we need to get to. And that's our true self. So

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then, honestly, I don't I think it would be fine. I think contacting someone for what we're doing. I'm willing to take that risk. And maybe you're not. Yeah, it's it like another discuss things I know, I don't like maybe I might learn once you do it. I might learn and at this point, I don't. And everyone has their opinion on it. And is it a guy who gives a fuck? Contact them? Yeah.

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And I guess like, part of it too, is it's like,

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it's the first conversation like, why are you in jail? Like,

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is that is that the approach like, this is

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life we can't escape these things. And it's, and I'm, I'm a curious guy. Yeah. Now, I'm curious, too. I think that it's the Yeah,

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I it's the it's not wanting to turn the wrong way or do something. But I think I think it's fascinating and we should definitely give it a go

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approaches everything. Yeah.

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And so how you doing? We're not laughing like that's another thing or intentions as well, right. Like, if I think that the the one thing that we do get on this podcast is the opportunity to communicate our intentions. Yeah.

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Talking about letters and stuff. I got a Facebook

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post on my wall Sunday, I think it did you tag me to tag you in it from Ian Nottage, who was my grade six teacher who I did the PowerPoint presentation for who bought me Mac is I can do until 11pm. Yeah, he said, Look what I just I think it was nine. Look what I found. Look what I just found. Going through a box of my keepsake items. It's like

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D Mr. Not. So it's in my handwriting. So it's

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a letter you sent to him. Yeah,

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it's a it's a it's a Christmas card

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style. drill it D Mr. Knowledge. I've loved being in your class. We've had great fun. And then I've crossed out fun and written enough and they were in us. And the reason we did that is because

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I did that was because on the very first class that we had with him, he said, we don't have fun in this class. Never say the word fun. We call it enough. It's like Hawaii of like, getting around it. So I crossed out fund said enough this year. You are a great teacher. And I'll never forget you from Josh and I said, I hope we stay in contact email. jansen.rl jay jay jay, at Big pond.com This is him and that so that would have been back in 2000 or something and someone commented underneath being like you had an email address back then. And I actually remember in like, 1997 when one of my teachers left primary school and I kept in contact via via email funny pen pals are affecting Interesting, interesting area. Really cool. Well,

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they less and less probably being done now, because it doesn't feel as thoughtful just shouldn't affect in faceY message yeah like just a quick email it's you know handwriting something that way and that's why I brought up 50s Martin because he was like always wanting to somehow like surprise a flyer mom over to visit her or like bring her out to me for the first time like this 50 pen pal you'd be he was trying to approach the project I think

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it's all for content or for content yet or I mean you just want a free free I'm looking at Ryan john and below

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so you now have a I trial you a lot Yes and trolling doesn't mean abuse trawling could be Is it something as tagging you in a sponsored post that I'd been pushed and writing let the retargeting begin so basically what Tommy is referring to is when

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you know when you interact on an advertisement that's been created by my be fucking life coach or something me being put into that fracking comment school then I can set the algorithm off and then I'm going to get a bit

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and I also like a page always friends of this person but interact with these guys What have you done I've just been it's backfiring on me because within the last two three days the so many sponsored pushes to my account in Instagram. fucking crazy dude, I had this one guy and I actually think they I actually think half of them are jokes like I think they'd like parodies and I'm not being mean to them I'm just like it's their approach it literally because there's been good parenting

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yeah and so you're talking about a specific type of marketing which is the first person talking at you trying to fucking sell their lifestyle or their thing what what are you finding what sort of people so

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I had this one and his name was Nick and the caption says a good lawyer is one who can wake up in the morning put on the advocate robe and walk into court to advocate on the client's behalf will enjoy it in fact I love it look at the photo fucking how it looks like he's about nine Tang doesn't

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yet. Yeah, looks like he's going to court for some sort of uncharged

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This is my favorite.

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I had this video push to me and I looked at the person's username

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the person's username is dumped wife's revenge, tempt wife's prevent without my wife's revenge. Okay, so this is a lady who's being dumped Yes. by

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her hobby. Yeah, her name's dn. Lawrence dumped for the younger woman. My revenge be fabulous. And look fabulous. I want to inspire women around the world to always be their fabulous best. It is crazy. It feels like a parody when you're on it. I like she's putting your best foot forward giving it a crack.

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This is the new haircut. You know, when people would get a you know, have a breakup, you would get a fucking crazy hair cut. Now you started me Instagram. Ah, and put some ad money.

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But my thinking is, why am I getting targeted to what the fuck am I going to do with dumped for the younger woman's page? Like, it's got nothing to do with me with the lawyers like I think there is. So two things a fact myself EEG, you know, I would spend around me, but also to that they've got it wrong. Or as an Instagram if just open this thing up. They just making so much money from people retire, like targeting random people like me? Why would I need that? Well, I think that what you've done is you fucked the algorithm because you've engaged with heaps of stuff that you wouldn't normally look which you're

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not engaging with it in a positive way. But you're like thinking it's funny. And unfortunately, I don't think Facebook or Instagram have the ability to know the difference between good engagement, bad engagement and saying that there is all this sort of sentiment analysis which is starting to happen where it's like, okay, is this a positive comment? Is this a bad and and the you know, telcos of the world like Telstra using that data to say, what are people think of us? Yeah, so looking at, you know, the language people use, but the target, would you pay a fee, you know, Michelle was talking yesterday about if she, if she pays for a service, she's less,

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she expects more, right? So if you do if you pay for it, you're not going to be as fact over so you pay via Vimeo you've got there's a course of action. If something happens, you're caught, you're essentially a customer, would you pay a fee to Instagram or Facebook to not receive that? I'm now Okay. Why

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I didn't think I think for one, I actually enjoy saying what's going on the world. We're in that business and some Yeah, so it's like, it turns into a piece of content for me, but I'm curious to see how other people are approaching things. And and then I'm a taught us What a fucking you know, mate, I'm the opposite of subscription. Yeah,

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I don't want I like YouTube bread that gives me you know, ad free type of stuff. And I can

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I can play videos without being on the screen. So I can just listen to the audio. Yeah, yeah, but I'm a bit of a Can

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you like, I love a good subscription. You know, I'm busting to pierce is being 24 minutes. Do we finish it up here? Because you've got shit to do? Yeah.

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Okay. So daily talk show every little while. Well, yesterday. We

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did now say. And the other consideration is,

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I know I think trying to stay hydrated. I'm on this fact. I've been every morning I was listening to Aubrey the dude eight ounces of water in the morning. It's killing me drinking eight ounces. Yeah, I'm drinking lots of water. And I'm having this having coffee after a day. And because it's a diuretic. I'm just fucking busting so and it just fucking hits me. It's gonna be so annoying when we're in Europe, because I hope I can charge

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I gotta keep it up. Because Have you been doing your writing? That's what everyone wants to know. Yeah,

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I haven't opened it in the last couple of days.

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But beyond that, it's the daily talk show everyone send us an email.

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You know, maybe we can become pen pals high at the daily talk show calm and you can send you anything untoward. We don't fucking one if you're in your sheet. Also the P o box as well for physical mail p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 336 seven. Have a good one, everyone.